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Kris BryantTo put it as emphatically as one can when there remains theoretical uncertainty about an issue: the Cubs are a virtual lock to sign top draft pick Kris Bryant by Friday’s signing deadline.

But because he remains yet unsigned, there is necessarily this technical chance that he won’t sign, and that makes nervous people nervous.

Cubs GM Jed Hoyer addressed the issue with the media recently, reiterating his belief that a deal will get done, while applying a little nudge.

“There’s no update,” Hoyer said Monday, per Cubs.com. “We basically have four or five days left of discussions. We’re confident we’ll get it done. We’ll make it an exceptionally fair offer. If Kris wants to be a Cub and be a professional baseball player, I’m confident we’ll get a deal done. Sometimes it takes a deadline to make a deal, and we have a deadline coming up shortly. In a lot of ways, I think it’s a plus at this point.”

If he wants to be a pro and do all the wonderful things that come along with that, he’ll sign, Jed says. Nudge, nudge.

A source on Bryant’s side of things (someone in agent Scott Boras’s camp, perhaps?) tells ESPN that although things are in a “holding pattern” right now, there’s no concern that a deal won’t get done.

“There’s a few questions marks they’re trying to button up,” the source told ESPN. “This has not been adversarial whatsoever.”

So, all in all, there remain no reasons to be concerned that Bryant will do the unthinkable and not sign. He’s coming off an historic college season, was selected second overall, and risks so very much by returning to school (with almost no upside). He just won’t risk it.

Why the holding pattern, then? Well, I imagine that it’s simply a matter of the Cubs getting their other signing ducks in a row (i.e., how much they plan to spend over slot on picks after the 10th round, and thus how much they can give to Bryant without going more than 5% over their total signing bonus pool (and thus losing a future first round draft pick)).

Once all of that is clear – and it may be already, given Tyler Alamo’s apparent signing this weekend – there will be a negotiation within a very small range of bonuses, and the deal will be finalized within the next few days.

  • EricR

    I wonder if Bryant will be sent down the same path as Almora? I’ve read where many think he is a very polished player and could advance quickly.

    • http://bleachernation.com someday…2015?

      He’ll be ahead of Almora at some point. Almora came out of HS. Bryant would be a senior in college this year.

    • SenorGato

      Bryant’s been a highly relevant prospect for a long time so its definitely possible he moves quick like cat through the system.

      I’m only a little annoyed that all 4 major prospects here are RHHs.

      • Mr. B. Patient

        Senor, if they all reach their ceilings, along with Rizzo, the RH thing won’t matter. Much.

    • ssckelley

      Bryant should reach the majors before Almora, so yes he should be more polished and should advance faster than Almora.

  • King Jeff

    Colin Moran hasn’t signed with the Marlins yet either. If you think having the Bryant negotiations come down to the deadline is nerve-racking, the Fishy’s haven’t signed either of their top 2 picks, and it’s looking entirely possible that both may shun them.

    • cubchymyst

      If that occurs I hope that puts the nail in the Loria coffin and he is forced to sell the Marlins. He is simply bad for baseball.

    • Featherstone

      Serves the Marlins right. I hope they expected to sign the picks and lose a pick as well for going over their bonus pool.

      • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

        And yet there have two WS rings in my lifetime… man being a Cub fan is tough.
        [img]http://redroom.com/files/images/sad%20face.jpg[/img]

        • Featherstone

          Right in the feels bud.

        • 5412

          Hi,

          The first World Series ring came when Huizinga owned the team. He spent like mad. My wife and I were in the stands for the 7th game.

          He said he did everything right, won the World Series and lost $25 million in the process. He went on to mention that baseball is a terrible economic model and sold the team and bought the Miami Dolphins instead.

          Baseball in Florida is good at the youth and college level; but honestly the markets in both Miami and Tampa leave a great deal to be desired. They are realtively small markets and it takes a special owner, like in Tampa, to figure out how to survive and hold your own economically.

          regards,
          5412

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      I wouldn’t really want to sign with them either, so I’d make damn sure I got a huge signing bonus.

  • SenorGato

    Anywhere from 6 to 6.7 depending on what’s left. I suspect Bryant will land more than Appel so my personal guess is 6.4-6.5.

    How many times discussion l word get used in this Bryant/draft discussion?

  • jeff1969

    I’m thinking Bryant will sign, but if he somehow didn’t, the Cubs would have an extra pick next year right? Like the 3rd pick as well as their 2014 pick right?

    • Chris

      correct

    • SenorGato

      Yes.

    • On The Farm

      As long as they didnt enter the penalty range by over-signing other players to require them to forefit there pick from this year

    • X the Cubs Fan

      If they don’t go over the spending limit.

    • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

      Now lets say you go two years in a row without signing your first round pick, does that mean you will have three the following year or just two (meaning the first one you failed to sign goes away). Otherwise the mad genius Loria might just be trying to get a year where he has 20 first round picks, SIGNS ALL THE PLAYERS, wins a world series three years later, then fire sales everything and starts it over again.

      • DarthHater

        Why didn’t our FO think of that? I KNEW THOSE GUYS WERE IDIOTS!!!

      • Pat

        I believe if you do not sign the pick on your second chance it is forfeited. Which means a lot of leverage is lost the second time around.

        • Jono

          that’s a good point about losing a lot of leverage

        • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

          You now get an extra crack. So, if you fail to sign a guy, you get the replacement pick next year. If you fail to sign that guy, you get a replacement pick the next year. But that one, you’ve got to sign or you lose it.

  • Stinky Pete

    So, just to be clear, IF the unthinkable happens and Bryant doesn’t sign (Not nervous, just enjoy what if scenarios.) The Cubs will get the #3 pick next year AND more than likely lose their probably top 5 2014 pick because they signed a bunch of guys overslot hoping to make up the difference with Bryant’s slot money, which they lose for not signing him. Run on much?
    Is this correct?

    • Stinky Pete

      Or what Jeff said up there…

  • Mr. B. Patient

    My predictions:

    Bryant signs Thursday.
    Debuts in Boise next Monday.
    Promoted to Daytona August 1st.
    2015 NL rookie of the year.
    ???? World Series MVP.

    • Jono

      2015 World Series MVP, duh

      • Mr. B. Patient

        Thanks for clarifying.

  • Dustin S

    The most telling part of it were when he said “we’ll make it an exceptionally fair offer”. It kind of tells you that the front office expected for the negotiation to go to the deadline with him. It’s almost an admission that the prior offers were at least somewhat low. It doesn’t help my blood pressure, but the front office has shown that they are fine with pushing things to the deadline if they feel it gives them an advantage. I’m still 99% sure he will sign but like us all I’ll feel better when it’s official. Same with Jimenez.

  • http://Bleachernation Lou Brock

    Giants have made offer to Cubs on Garza which includes their # 10 prospect LHP Escobar and # 19 LHP Blach both at high A SanJose. My Giant guy says other players involved from both sides but these are the 2 Cubs have targeted and if deal is done they will be included.

    • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

      Where do they rank nationally? I’m not sure where the SF farm stands right now but I was hoping to at least get a top 10 from Garza.

    • DarthHater
      • King Jeff

        That deal looks better with Brown included.

        • Spriggs

          I watched Brown a couple years in a row in the AFL – when he was their #1 prospect and just couldn’t figure out why he was so highly thought of and often said so… But what the heck, would be happy to be proven wrong if he’s included. Sure would rather see Crick’s name included though.

          • Michael

            Yeah absolutely right Brown is not that great and should not be part of any deal involving Garza

    • http://bleachernation.com someday…2015?

      If true, I sure hope Crick is involved as well.

      • http://Bleachernation Lou Brock

        Crick not available from SF per my Giants source. Agosto RHP was another part of deal if Cubs sweetened the deal, possibly DeJesus or Schierholtz – he was not sure of either or if one was more preferred.

        • Chad

          I think that is a no deal unless there are truly no other options for Garza. My thoughts are if you can’t get what the cubs want/need out of Garza in trade then keep him. The prospects of having to deal with draft compensation will hurt him in the long run. Maybe he will understand his value and resign. I don’t know. Getting less and less optimistic as this deal moves forward.

          • willis

            Bingo. Well said.

    • King Jeff

      That seems disappointing. I hope one of the other pieces would be another top 20 guy.

      • JB88

        It actually doesn’t mean that it won’t include another top 20 guy, only that the two guys the Cubs have focused on acquiring are the above-mentioned players. And, reading John’s report on those two, they sound like fairly exciting prospects and guys who are poised to really jump soon.

        • Chad

          The reason that I think it disappoints is that not only are they not top 10 in the giants system, but they are A+ ball at the highest. I’m not overly impressed and think that the cubs can get more, but I doubt it is out of the Giants. If they get Crick and Blach, that would be a great return.

    • EricR

      Brown is Brett Jackson. The pitchers are good prospects but I think we can get more than that deal for Garza.

    • Mr. B. Patient

      Wonder if the others involved would be Brett Jackson for Gary Brown. Two change of scenery type guys. For those who asked, neither of the pitchers Lou mentioned are top 100 guys (according to MLB.com). Crick is ranked #70, Brown ranked #80. Escobar and Blach do seem to fit in with the FO’s recent pitching acquisitions, having good fastballs, good changes, and lacking a curveball. Wonder if they think Derek Johnson can teach the curve, or slider, to anyone?

    • willis

      Sweet, two high A pitches for an awesome major league pitcher. What a move that would be.

      Would be very disappointing if this were the case.

  • http://a-rodminorsavg.324hr/yr7 cub2014

    Brett,
    The cubs futures lineup looks pretty amazing:
    1B Vogelbach
    2B Alcantera
    SS Baez
    3B Bryant
    LF Soler
    CF Almora
    RF Jimenez
    Hopefully most of these guys are good enough
    to make it. But wow how far this system has come
    over the last couple years.

    • Cub Style

      Vogelbach is going to supplant Rizzo? Yea, ok.

      • EricR

        He was giving a Cub “futures” lineup. Meaning that we have good prospects seemingly at every position.

      • Chad

        If he can develop a glove and continue his offense it is very possible. He’s only in A ball though so hard to project that happening for another 3 or 4 years at the earliest.

      • Michael

        I like Rizzo but if Vogelbach keeps killing the minors and Rizzo stays around where he is at or improves slightly in the next 2 years then yes you would have to look at a change. Rizzo is not exactly killing it

        • On The Farm

          News Flash Rizzo used to kill the ball in the minors too. Vogelbach hasn’t even come close to hitting off “good pitching prospects”. Also, it should be noted that even though Rizzos wOBA is down 20 points his BB% is up almost 3% (Tonight will be his 87th game this season, which is how many he played in last summer).

        • SenorGato

          Vogelbach is putting up an .801 OPS in A ball at 20. For comparisons sake, Rizzo was doing a little better than that at the same age for A+ and AA.

      • Lou Brown

        Based on Rizzo’s performance this year, maybe…

    • http://cubsdailyrecaps.blogspot.com Jason P

      Well, yeah, maybe their 2019 lineup with Jimenez in there. Plus, Rizzo, is a much, much better bet than Vogelbach for a future lineup, and I’m sure Castro will be somewhere in there assuming he eventually regains some facsimile of his former success.

  • http://ehanauer.com clark addison

    For a few more thousand bucks, Borass is costing his client valuable experience and delaying his callup to the higher levels.

    • King Jeff

      He’s also avoiding a precedent for top picks to roll over and sign their slot offer. It’s probably a smart move for an agent to make.

      • SenorGato

        Those uppity players and agents need to learn to bend over and take it. Teams has all the leveragez.

      • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

        Hate Boras all you want but he is the best in the business because he knows exactly what he is doing. This wait is for the dramatics of it all and it increases public hostility which might just get Bryant that extra couple of thousands. Which sounds like nothing when part of a million dollar contract but Boras is showing all the future clients of his that he will get you every last drop. If I needed an agent, Boras would be my first call.

        • DarthHater

          I hear he doesn’t represent goats.

          • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

            DAMN THERE GOES MY MASTER PLAN

          • DocPeterWimsey

            That is because Boras is another robot, and (as we were discussing earlier), robots have issues with goats…..

            • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

              BITE BITE Mr. Roboto

        • Cheryl

          MG, you’re right he’s a tough negotiator but he also can blow things. Players may get their first contract with him but I’ve heard that some players don’t want to continue with him afterr that,

          • ScottK

            That’s weird goat – I was literally thinking that if I were a star athlete and needed an agent, I definitely would NOT go with Boras. For all the major financial decisions of my life I’ve gone with what looks and feels right rather than what costs least or gets me the most money. I’m willing to be that most regular Joe’s do the same. Think about how many clients Boras has – how can you possible get the face time or personal response that you deserve for what you’re paying him. It speaks to how poisonous the agents are – they can actually convince these athletes that a $110 million contract is insulting but a $115 million contract is fair. We’ve seen piles of players shun a team’s offer in the tens or hundreds of millions for a different offer that’s 2% or 3% higher. It’s totally crazy. That money will make zero difference in their lives.

            That said, I agree with Cheryl that using Boras to wring the most possible $ for your first signing (when there is a very real possibility that you won’t ever get a dime more in baseball) makes sense.

    • CubsProspector

      I am really disappointed that Bryant has not yet signed. With Kane County coming to town this week (Wed, Thur and Fri), to play the local SB Silverhawks, I thought there was a good chance that I could see him playing in person. It’s looking very unlikely, now. At least I will probably get to see Almora and Vogelbach.

      Does anyone know what the Cougar’s starting rotation looks like for those three games?

  • another JP

    If we’re only getting the Giants #10 & #19 prospects and we’re giving up Garza + others, I’d want Blackburn or Stratton included. Some other guys like Adalberto Meija might work, but the Cubs should get some impact talent here & not a bunch of guys with low ceilings.

  • Mr. B. Patient

    I’m not saying the Giants trade is great, but remember two things. Garza is still a rental, and fans tend to overvalue our own players.

    • willis

      It’s far from great. It’s terrible. He’s a proven very good pitcher and the cubs would get back two guys that are far from the big leagues and some other meh talent that won’t impact this team much if at all. It’s waiving the 2014 and probably 2015 white flag already, doing a deal like this.

      If you’re giving up Garza, I would hope they would try to get talent that’s ready or close to ready from someone.

      • Chad

        Exactly, if they aren’t ready then they need to be highly touted prospects like a Crick that are in A ball.

        • willis

          I think it would be very alarming if this were the grab for him. It just signals that we all should be prepared to wait a very long time before they are competitive.

          • mjhurdle

            it could also signal that the market is not as strong as we thought.
            this Front Office has shown that it is very capable of evaluating talent.
            So if this was the return, it would be disappointing, but i dont think it would indicate anything about the plan for the future.
            The FO would extend Garza before taking 2 A ball pitchers for him, so if they didn’t, it would indicate that they thought they could not extend garza.
            and obviously they aren’t taking the first offer for him, so if they took this, it would mean that it is the best offer available.

            basically, if the Cubs get little for Garza, i think it says more about the willingness to trade prospects more than anything.

            • YourResidentJag

              And I’m not sure that a solid idea given that they went in a Anabel Sanchez for 5/75.

        • falselife

          Hopefully the Cubs can find a better trading partner than the Giants. Their lower system is weak, and I doubt they are going to be keen on moving their minor league talent that is decent as it’s nearing ML ready. I just don’t think they are a good fit if we are looking for a solid return. The Giants #10 prospect is barely a top 500 overall. (My opinion only.)

      • Mr. B. Patient

        All I’m saying is we may think Garza is worth more than other teams do. I just don’t see us getting a Top 20 type prospect, but I hope I’m wrong. I’m in the extend him camp, unless we get a ‘sure thing’ type of return. He may not be any good when we are ready to compete, but he will provide us with a solid pitcher.

        • Chad

          A top 20, is different than a top 100. I don’t think anyone here expects a top 20. I have never seen that said, but a top 100 is not questionable. I think discussions should start and end there. What you forget is (take the nationals last year) that if you have the chance to win you better freaking do it. That is why the cubs should get a better prospect than just a top 10 organizational pitcher in A and the 19th, also in A. Yes we may be overvaluing him, but it’s baseball trade deadline and someone else will. If the cubs can’t get better than 10 and 19 they would be better to get a comp pick as they could draft a better prospect than that.

          • On The Farm

            Exactly, I feel like Nolasco netted more from the Dodgers than this.

          • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

            This is spot on. Don’t underestimate the value of marginal wins in August and September, or the monetary value of an energized fan base + a playoff appearance.

            • Chad

              I feel as if I have just been validated of my opinions of the cubs (at least this one post anyway). Thanks Brett. I’m free for guest write ups anytime. Ha!

            • Stevie B

              Right on, Brett. The way I look at it, if we were in a playoff run, and we had the chnace to add a difference maker BEFORE the allstar break…what would we be willing to give up?
              Baez? Almora??

          • Mr. B. Patient

            A few more things. I never said I liked the trade proposal from the Giants. I just think we may be disappointed in what we get. Yes, some team may panic and overpay, I hope it happens, but it might not. Lastly, the trade shouldn’t be judged on MLB.com rankings that were made at the beginning of the year Things change. Remember, they had Alcantara ranked as our 20th best, and he’s arguably our 5th or 6th now and a possible Top 100 next year.

    • Jono

      Am I the only person who thinks that there’s value in being able to extend a rental player before he hits free agency? The giants wouldn’t just be trading for 1/2 a season of Garza, they’re also trading for the ability to extend his contract before he even hits the free market. And the player’s incentive for that is to avoid having his value drop before free agency from either injury or ineffectiveneess

      • http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/653cc0c5f0eded621ab13b4f631de7da.png Cizzle

        But what’s the incentive for a rental player to sign an extension with a team he’s been on for a few weeks, when he can wait a few months to hit free agency and negotiate with all teams rather than just 1?

        • Rebuilding

          The only advantage is the same as with every extension – the risk of an injury

        • Jono

          to avoid a reduction in his value, to cash in while his value is at its peak. The reduction in value could be because of either a decrease in production or injury

      • Rebuilding

        There is nothing prohibiting it and not saying it’s a bad idea, but it’s just not done in baseball for some reason. You see it in basketball quite a bit because their salary cap/CBA allows the current player’s team to sign a guy for more thanhe can get when he’s a free agent (the Bird Rule). As far as I’m aware it’s never happened in baseball

        • Jono

          I thought it’s happened multiple times before, but now that I think about, I can’t think of any specific examples. hmmm, I’d love for one of these baseball guys around here to chime in with a couple examples of this happening. I can’t think of one

  • Die hard

    The kid is not making any friends holding out like this— he needs to be playing– he’s already behind schedule– next will be slew of injuries

    • bbmoney

      I could say something like I don’t think he’s trying to make friends, but instead do what’s best for him…..but what’s the point.

      If he does sign (which he will) and plays well….no one is going to care about this slight delay.

      • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

        bbmoney its just him trying to get an argument going… just walk away and enjoy it from afar

        • bbmoney

          You’re saying I should just open a Founders and sit back and relax?

          • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

            That sounds like an excellent idea… a couple of All Day IPAs will make this afternoon go so much better.

            • They’re Alouing

              An All Day IPA thats the best idea I’ve seen spring from something he has said

              • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

                Yup and Double Trouble is in the Founder’s Taproom right now and I’m heading there in 32 min and counting. Its amazing no matter where I am in GR, Founders is always on the way home… its like magic.

                • bbmoney

                  I’m extremely jealous about that. The earliest I can make it is 2 hrs and 3 minutes from now. Sadly probably not going to happen.

                  • bbmoney

                    Good thing I have some All Days in the fridge at home.

      • mjhurdle

        “How to Make Friends and Influence People
        - Lessons I learned from Interacting With DieHard”

        This will be the next best-seller published by a member of BleacherNation.

    • JB88

      Pray tell, which of the plagues will follow those?

      • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

        ignore and enjoy a pint of Founders with us

        • Lou Brown

          Nice choice Goat, one of my favorite breweries! I am brewing a clone of Kentucky Breakfast Stout this weekend.(have to brew it now to be aged and ready by xmas).

          • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

            Good luck I’ve had a few clones but none of them have match up yet. Last weekend I opened a Canadian Breakfast Stout (CBS) for a celebration. After two years of aging it was amazing. Living with in 5 miles of Founders is one of the best things about living in Grand Rapids

            • Cubbie Blues

              I just enjoyed a couple of Camp Sides from Upland on my lunch break. A great Session IPA that is lower in ABV than most.

              • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

                I’ve become a fan of session IPAs – it gives you all the taste without the ass kicking other IPAs will hand you.

            • Lou Brown

              First attempt, its a helluva complex recipe, lots of grain, and several additions of coffee and chocolate. Followed by 4-6 months in bourbon barrels. I am using bourbon soaked oak chips. Then cold-brewed coffee at bottling time. It will be Hot Stove season before I know how it went.

              • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

                Its the aging that really give it the taste, I just don’t think it can be done without true barrel aging. Be sure to let me know how it goes.

                • Lou Brown

                  Agreed on the barrel aging, hopefully it is close. I will let you know as we are discussing the Cubs pick ups of Price and Stanton :-)

                  • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

                    well if you ever need a goat to try a gallon or two you know where to find me.

        • CubsProspector

          Perhaps someone should start a discussion in The Playground, to chat about Hoppy Thoughts… I have a feeling that once all of the smoke settles after the trade deadline, and we are left without anything exciting to watch (‘cept for minor league prospects), we will need more than a pint or twelve.

          Has anyone tried Gumballhead by 3Floyds? It’s pretty awesome… or perhaps Fascist Pig by Finch’s Beer Co.?

    • SenorGato

      I might regret this, but what schedule is he behind?

      • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

        walk away join us on the porch for some refreshing Founders.

        • hansman1982

          blech, Natty Ice or bust!

          • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

            fine bring that if you must

            • hansman1982

              I am holding out for a 30-pack waiting for me there. Won’t sign until then.

              • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

                fine i’ll but one beer away so i can afford you 30 pack (and that’s not sarcasm)

                • hansman1982

                  I was gonna say, if you can’t afford the 30-pack, you have no business buying “fancy” beer

          • Chad
            • hansman1982

              If only because of the damage he did to the ISU Basketball program.

              • ssckelley

                I’ll drink to that!

              • Chad

                Touche, and Go Hawks. had to be said

      • Lou Brown

        I have a theory that SenorGato is really Scott Boras (or one of his lackey’s) alias, and he is on the boards demanding that Bryant be paid whatever he demands, and we as fans should be demanding it to. Just pay the entire pool to Bryant, because no one likes the term leverage…

        • SenorGato

          Everyone doesn’t like the term leverage, they LOVE it.

          Anyway, I simply support the player’s right to get theirs (dummies seem to forget that the ultimate Leveragez in the baseball draft is baseball talent) and loathe the idea that nobody hates plebs moving up and getting theirs more than other plebs. Its symptomatic this leverage thing to a larger problem in modern American society and the frankly unhonorable mentality allowed to breed and thrive amongst the masses…
          It’ll be in my crazy person manifesto.

          • Lou Brown

            That’s an interesting point of view. Your manifesto is far deeper than I am looking.The whole leverage thing really only comes about through the CBA and its slots. Honestly, I think a player should get whatever the market will bear, the CBA (agreed to by owners, and veteran palyers) just distorts the market place for draft picks downward. I am a Cubs fan. The only reason I would prefer to see Bryant at the low end of slot range is to make other signings and get more talent overall into the system. Otherwise, give Bryant whatever it takes to get him signed. But under the CBA the FO needs to use that…..leverage the best it can to maximize its alloted pool. I can’t blame the FO for doing that, or cheer on Bryant hurting the rest of the team (at least under this CBA) with his demands.

        • SenorGato

          Also, Scott Boras cares infinitely more for the players in baseball than anyone I can name (besides other agents who dream of having his kind of impact) at this point. Fans don’t give a damn since we now know they make very good money, and choose to side with the owners always (without ever asking how much THEY make despite everything being relative).

          It would be an honor of unimaginable lengths to even be a lackey for Boras IMO. Even if thats a little naive, big picture he works for the little guy and wins often anyway. Mad respeck for that.

          • Lou Brown

            I can’t fault Boras at all. He is doing his job the best he can. I doubt he has the noble aspirations you are attributing. He is maximizing his clients pay, and maximizing his pay. He is following his self-interest like anyone else. If he thought he could make more representing the owners, I don’t doubt he would switch sides in a second. So, I can’t fault him, but an honor of unimaginable lengths? Not so much.

  • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

    Oh my Founders has both Double Trouble (DIPA 9.4%) and Devil Dancer(TIPA 12%) in the tap room. Oh my if you don’t hear from me tomorrow you know why.

    • Lou Brown

      That statement has me mentally calculating the distance to Grand Rapids…

      • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

        it would be worth the drive these two are amazing and even better straight from the source, plus they have great food and music in the Tap Room even if it is under construction right now. THEY ARE DOUBLING THEIR BREWING CAPACITY! GOOD NEWS FOR ALL YOU NOW MICHIGANDERS.

        • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

          NON-MICHIGANDERS

  • jeff1969

    Just read on MLBTR that Cleveland is very interested in Garza, but then saw the Cleveland pitchers listed, including Carrasco, Bauer & one other and was like, yuck. I know Bauer has a huge arm but a pea brain, but as a Cub fan I was a little taken aback by such a weak collection. Any thoughts anyone?

    • Rebuilding

      The Indians are pretty light on arms. Salazar is the only other one that could be promising. Bauer would definitely be a buy low candidate…last year we probably would have been thrilled to have him as a part of a Garza package. As you said, there are some real questions about the area above his shoulders and his control has never been good

    • http://bleachernation.com someday…2015?

      Bauer and Salazar are both interesting. Both are in the high minors. Both have high ceilings. Both have low floors. Like you said, Bauer has a huge arm but a pea brain. He would be the cog in the deal. If the Cubs FO feels Bauer can be an ace, and they can turn him into an ace then it’s a no brainer. If they have any doubt, then I think you look for another team to deal with.

  • Clark Addison

    Bauer is a potential Milton Bradley. Stay far, far away.

    • YourResidentJag

      He’s as goofy as people say Garza is.

  • Rebuilding

    For anyone interested, Fangraphs is having their annual get together and Q&A session in Chicago this year. It’s at a place called Fizz on July 18th. All of their major contributors are scheduled to be there

  • auggie1955

    This Bryant story was beginning to remind me a lot about J.D. Drew when he was originally drafted by the Phillies, but ended up signing with the Cards. I went to Baseballlibrary.com to read the story and there are a lot of similarities.

    Drew was drafted 2nd in the 1997 draft by the Phillies and his rep was Boras. He was unable to come to terms with the Phillies and played in the Independent Northern League. In 1998 he was taken 5th and signed by the Cards.

    I never liked Drew and I’m beginning to hate Bryant.

    • Chad

      Hating Bryant cause he is dragging this out is just plain silly. It could easily be as much the cubs as it is Boras and Bryant. You can be mad if he doesn’t sign, but if he signs and it is for underslot or just enough so that we could sign everyone else you should feel silly. Patience people, patience. Now, let’s trade Garza as of yesterday!

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      There were also no signing restrictions back then, so Drew, in theory, did have a lot to gain by holding out. Bryant has virtually nothing to gain.

  • auggie1955

    Still the guy is getting over $5 million and is not close to playing MLB. Come on you greedy turd!

  • ozzzie19

    Connecting the dots, it seems like the delay may be just as much, if not more, on the Cubs sign than on the Boras/Bryant side. Although, I don’t see anyone “technically” not signed besides Alamo and Clifton who could impact the pool $ left for Bryant and it seems like negotiations with those guys are over. Maybe the Cubs are really trying to convince Jeremy Martinez to sign?

  • Brandon

    Now the Cubs have an offer(starting point)for Garza, let the bidding wars begin.

  • Dustin S

    Appel called up to Quad-Cities today. It will be interesting to see him pitch against Vogelbach/Almora/etc. at Kane County.

    • college_of_coaches

      Kinda bummed, I was hoping to watch him when his team plays Aberdeen (NY-Penn league).

  • Die hard

    Serious question for Brett or Luke– if Bryant does not sign and Cubs get 3rd pick next yr is this in addition to their regular pick? Or in lieu of regular pick if pick would be lower? Confused

    • Josh

      Adding on to this question would that then help negate if they signed a player that cost them their first round pick and if so which pick would be gone?

      • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

        The 2014 pick would be gone.

        If they don’t sign Bryant, I think the 2013 pick compensation pick (which would be No 3 overall in 2014) would be locked in.

        But I’m not completely sure of that.

        • MichiganGoat

          But if we don’t sign him we lose that slog money and that would push us over the slot money and lose the pic anyway. He will sign because the FO wouldn’t allow themselves to have that happen.

          • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

            Maybe. There is enough certainty in the announced bonuses that the Cubs may not be over without Bryant quite yet. Also, the money doesn’t count until the deal is official.

            But it’s academic. He’ll sign.

            • MichiganGoat

              Yes very academic but a thoughtful discussion.

      • spearman

        Top 10 are protected. However, we may lose a pick if we’re over on money or cap space.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

      In addition to. If Bryant does not sign (which, I might add, is very unlikely) the Cubs would pick third as well as where ever their normal 2014 pick would be. Like it would be two picks in the top seven or so.

      • MichiganGoat

        So is it 3rd pick slot money + the slot for whatever else we get? Say we get the 3rd pick does it mean that we get two 3rd pick slots or a 3rd and the 4th slot money?

        • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

          3rd and 4th I believe, but the numbers will be slightly different from this year anyway.

      • Die hard

        Thanks… Maybe the Cubs use this as leverage assuming lots of talent next yr?

        • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

          Probably not.

          The overall depth of the 2014 draft may be better than the 2013 (I’d argue that it is too early to say that for sure), but the talent at the very top is unlikely to be significantly different. Picking No 3 next year the Cubs are unlikely to find anyone better than Bryant.

          And I really don’t think any extra leverage is necessary. There are absolutely no signs of trouble here. Every indication is that Bryant will sign.

        • MichiganGoat

          But if he doesn’t sign the budget just went over slot. We have already gone over budget if Bryant doesn’t sign.

    • MichiganGoat

      Good question (nice to see you making good comments), yes it would be in addition to whatever pick we get after this year. But he is signing.

  • Die hard

    Lincecum and Spence for Garza

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