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stoveI really hope MLB announces/leaks/whatevers the Biogenesis suspensions by the end of this week to help clarify the trade market. I say that not as a fan of a selling team (although, yes, mass suspensions on contending teams would probably help the Cubs), but instead as someone trying to track trade rumors. Until there is relative certainty on the Biogenesis stuff, it’s hard for teams to make moves. The trickling effect isn’t difficult to imagine: say the A’s really like Yovani Gallardo, but don’t want to make a move until they know what’s up with Bartolo Colon’s possible suspension. Meanwhile, the Diamondbacks kinda like Matt Garza and would be ready to offer the best package, but they won’t do it until they know that the same package won’t land them Gallardo. And the Brewers aren’t going to move Gallardo until they know if they can get that one special, awesome prospect they’ve always wanted from the A’s. That’s not only a plausible example, it’s a tiny, tiny circuit when compared to how extended this trickle could become. I want clarity, and, for that reason, I’m quite certain all of the buyers and sellers out there want clarity, too.

  • He sat the last two days before the All-Star break to get a full week’s rest, but Nate Schierholtz remains a popular name in trade circles discussing available outfielders. “Multiple sources” tell TribLive that the Pirates are checking in on Schierholtz in their pursuit of an outfield bat. My position on Schierholtz remains unchanged: if he can net you a very good prospect/player, or he can supplement a bigger trade and turn a package of so-so prospects into a package of elite prospects, then, sure, make a deal. But short of that, he’s under control through 2014, will make a very reasonable salary next year, and has taken quite well both to platooning and Wrigley. The Cubs don’t have a ton of starting-caliber outfielders ready to break through by the start of 2014, so there’s just no rush here.
  • It’s been a long time – well, a long time in rumor season days – since the Padres were “surprising” and “competitive” and “buying.” Danny Knobler reports that they’ve now swung completely in the other direction, and are ready to sell.* The big name that could mean is Chase Headley (no, I don’t see a fit with the Cubs for the reason I’ve said before: Headley doesn’t help the Cubs for the rest of 2013, even if he would in 2014. Because he doesn’t offer the Cubs value in 2013 (i.e., they aren’t playoff contenders), but does offer that value – hugely – to other teams), other teams will rightly be willing to pay much more for him. Where the Padres selling does affect the Cubs, however, is if they make Edinson Volquez (a cheap rental, though largely ineffective) or relievers Huston Street or Luke Gregerson available. Those latter two would command serious attention, even if it’s a down year for both.
  • *Another exemplary reminder of how difficult it is to peg the market in early July, let alone mid-June. And buyers – the legit ones – know this. They frequently would rather wait to buy until late July when there might be more players on the market. This is why a team like the Cubs, even if they for certain want to sell in June or early July can’t always pull it off. You’ve got to have a developed market for it to work.
  • As one team comes onto the market, one team might come off (kinda). That team would be the Marlins, per Joe Frisaro, who are now sending signals that they don’t want to trade any of their younger/cost-controlled players, including Giancarlo Stanton, Logan Morrison, Steve Cishek and Mike Dunn. No one thought Stanton would be traded this year anyway (though this report, coupled with one from Danny Knobler, suggests the Marlins won’t trade him this Winter, either), and the Cubs don’t really have a competing piece on the market for Morrison, so there’s no impact there. But if Cishek and Dunn aren’t available, that helps the reliever market for the Cubs.
  • It doesn’t sounds like scouts trust Kevin Gregg as a sure-fire closer for contenders, given that, when asked by Danny Knobler, the listed on Jonathan Papelbon as a reliable closer that might be available (forget that Papelbon has blown 5 of 25 save opportunities this year … (ok, that’s a little unfair, because he actually has been dominant, though his strikeout rate is way down)). Gregg’s tough two games against the Cardinals on national TV the last two days probably haven’t helped.
  • Speaking of Papelbon and the Phillies, with Ben Revere going down with a broken foot, Phillies GM Ruben Amaro is openly admitting that they’ll look for a center fielder in trade. Too bad David DeJesus has been out, and that Ryan Sweeney broke his rib. Not sure either of them would have been a perfect fit, but desperation is always welcomed by sellers in late July.
  • Ken Rosenthal suspects that scouts from the Pirates, Orioles, and Tigers could have been looking at Cubs relievers this weekend, rather than, for example, Matt Garza.
  • Jon Heyman was on the Score this morning, and, among other things, he said that there should be more interest in Alfonso Soriano than there is, and that the Cubs would likely focus on the prospect return, rather than just saving money. That last bit could ease the fears of folks who had heard Ken Rosenthal’s thoughts on the Cubs’ priorities in a Matt Garza deal
  • http://deepcenterfield.blogspot.com Jason Powers

    Since the Cards left, here’s a video to watch to remember better times: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDNTCU7gMZE

    I watched it on NBC and it was as awesome a game could be those last 5 innings were the Cubs calling card for the rest of the regular season.

  • NotAssman22

    Good but not great

    • Scott

      How many players? Are they prospects or MLB ready players?

    • Dr. Leroy Quackenbush

      Are we going to meltdown? Should I just start now?

      • Crockett

        I’m already melting down.

      • Rebuilding

        There will be a meltdown from some since we won’t get Skaggs and Bradley. For some perspective: Edwin Jackson xFIP 3.74 Garza 3.87. ZIPS has Jackson projected to have a better 2nd half than Garza based on peripherals and his contract is a lot less than a Garza extension

    • nkniacc13

      we still looking at 4-5 prospects from texas in this deal?

  • Rebuilding

    Not sure if anyone has posted this but Bucholz had some soreness after his bullpen session today and is not ready for his rehab assignment per the Boston Globe

  • Die hard

    Cubs may throw in Coleman if team takes Soriano and one year of salary in exchange for conditional PTBNL

  • NotAssman22

    From what I’ve heard it’s gonna involve at least 8 players maybe 9 with 5 good players coming our way

    • Crockett

      Wow. Garza, Schierholtz, Gregg/Russell, and prospect for 3 prospects and 2 guys on an MLB roster.

      That’s my guess.

    • Carew

      Hints on who the return is?

  • jeff1969

    Assman, if you are close with getting this one right I’m gonna email you a dollar!

  • NotAssman22

    Get that dollar ready because all I have to say is OMG!! If this happens it will be even bigger than I thought in my first post!!!

    • Carew

      Dude. You’re getting me excited, and we would still have to wait a couple days

    • Rebuilding

      If the Mets are involved please give me some Montero or Syndergaard

    • willis

      Teaser…this isn’t fair. Give hints…

    • Mr. B. Patient

      Hell, I’ll throw in 2 dollars if the Cubs return is OMG….

    • http://deepcenterfield.blogspot.com Jason Powers

      Does it involve LA ‘we make it rain’ Dodgers?

  • NotAssman22

    Not even close Crockett

    • Crockett

      Good. When I’m close, it’s a nightmare.

  • NotAssman22

    No Mets, NL East, West or Central team. And no Toronto or rangers

    • Cyranojoe

      Red Sox make the most sense at that point. I think. Mostly because the FO knows ‘em…?

    • willis

      So, AL central and AL west, no rangers. I’m sniffing Oakland or Cleveland here

      • willis

        Forgot about AL east…add red sox

    • Crockett

      So that leaves the Indians as the main name we’ve been hearing. Or maybe the Tigers (they like to be stealthy…remember the Miguel Cabrera deal) or the A’s.

    • CC

      I think this an imposter Ass. Far too conversational compared to previous Assman posts…

      • Carew

        now that you mention it…

    • TonyP

      Boston….

    • http://deepcenterfield.blogspot.com Jason Powers

      Will the assman cometh true?

  • nkniacc13

    then I say Indians or A’s

  • http://It'searly Mike F

    Washington, LA, or Arizona and St. Louis……

  • jeff1969

    Assman, you don’t have to confirm or deny this but I have been thinking Cleveland for a couple of weeks. Bauer, then that new pitcher who just debuted whose name I forgot, possibly Chisenhall…just thinking.

    • Cyranojoe

      Oh, Cleveland, yeah, that’s doable.

  • jeff1969

    I agree about Assman talking more & being way less cryptic. But it’s still fun! He’s got us on the hook.

  • nkniacc13

    Isnt Cleveland one of the teams that want to try an work out an extension?

  • nkniacc13

    Hoe weird would that be if Garza went to Arizona and his next start is vs the Cubs

    • Tobias

      I’m going to the Cubs/Diamondbacks game on the 22nd. I’ll be happy either way.

  • Afinch

    Brett – how is traffic on this site compared to last year at this time with the Dempster saga? I never thought I’d be on this site as much as I was last summer but I’ve easily beaten that the last week or two.

  • jpeck

    Yesterday. Assmn said expect a deal in 6 hrs. Some people think ass
    Is full of **it!

    • AB

      I just think he poaches his “sources” from other places like pro sports daily.

      • cubchymyst

        I just went over there and apparently the one guy who supplies information said Barney might get traded depending on the biogenesis outcomes.

    • DocPeterWimsey

      Assman has had a very good track record. No, he’s not always correct: but he’s correct far, far more often than even a normally informed fan should be. Even when things do not turn out the way that Assman suggests, then I am pretty convinced that things must have come pretty close to turning out that way.

      • DocPeterWimsey

        Sorry, that should read “a very well-informed fan should be.” The espressos are wearing off…

    • X the Cubs fan

      he said there could be a deal

      • jpeck

        That really narrows it down. No wonder you think he is always right. Lol. This is exactly what
        Mind readers do. Talk in generalities and let you fill in the facts. At least its fun speculation.

        • X the Cubs fan

          How do you know it wasn’t finished and wasn’t leaked.

          • jpeck

            What finished and what “leaked” ? He hasnt really said anything yet.

  • Timster

    BREAKING NEWS: The Cubs trade Alphonso Soriano for Adam Dunn

    • #23

      If you are going to type BREAKING NEWS, it should be a real trade.

      • Timster

        BREAKING NEWS: The Cubs trade George Bell for Sammy Sosa

    • Carew

      Also spell Alfonso’s name right

  • NotAssman22

    [Impersonating other posters is not acceptable]

    • Scott

      That would be an uncomfortable prediction to verify.

      • cubchymyst

        Not necessarily, what if your checking on a hot female. No penis and the verification could be a lot of fun.

        • Scott

          I thought Timster was just the nickname Timmy (Timmeh) gave himself.

          • cubchymyst

            Its the internet, who knows who is what. I could be a beluga whale and no one would be the wiser.

            • jpeck

              Call me Ishmael…..

    • Timster

      assman must be reading ‘the sun also rises’

    • NotBrett

      ??????

  • Timster

    BREAKING NEWS: “assman”

    • MichiganGoat

      So now Timmy is Timpster… How GoldFinch of you

      • http://deepcenterfield.blogspot.com Jason Powers

        Multiple personality disorder…Next Tommy Tutone!

        • Timster

          almost funny… something more like: “timmy two-timer” or “timmy teamster” would have had more alliteration and matched the variation. though i appreciate the 80s rock references.

          • http://deepcenterfield.blogspot.com Jason Powers

            almost? Jeez…tough to time talking to timmy the toolman taylor trade tracking temerity.

            • Timster

              hah, toolman taylor. there you go…well done.

  • http://bleachernation ferris

    Id like to see alot of trades made,no reason not to next yr we wll have a ton of moey to spend on free agents……. Nate Shurhiltz to pitt for aa rhp Nick Kingham………barney and gregg to detroit for rhp drew verhagen and brenny paulino(recovering from surgery big upside poss.)……… soriano, garza, and 10mm to tx for olt, rhp ramon mendez, rhp niel ramerez, and lhp victor payano……..

    these are all realistic and our farm would be stocked……fft

    • Nathan

      CJ Edwards instead of Payano and im down

  • Sumpting

    I have been reading this site for years but I am getting to the point where I go elsewhere to read my cubs news because of the trolls. This has gotten ridiculous due to just a few. Brett I hope you can get this under control because you do a great job but there are other sites with less trolls and that can control them better.

    • Timster

      you guys just bring out the best/worst in people like me and others. we try to make points and you attack people’s character then try to censor them and then call them trolls over minor disagreements. so we have a laugh, then you get upset cause no one will talk baseball with you. you live in some kind of hell of your own creation.

      • Timster

        but actually you’re right, i’m off topic here so i’ll stop with the goofing for now.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      I do the best I can. Fortunately, as you say, there are lots of great sites out there. Also, fortunately, the trolls rarely make an appearance in the body of the post.

    • MichiganGoat

      Stick around we are just in a troll heavy period it will go down in a couple of days.

      • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

        I wouldn’t try too hard. Anyone who has been a reader “for years” – but has never commented – and is going to leave in mid-July because of some trolls in the comments? Well … something about that doesn’t ring exactly true to me. Methinks someone wanted to take a shot.

        • MichiganGoat

          Yeah good point

        • Timster

          actually Brett, you’re making me feel bad about fighting back. there’s a cadence to the responses here but truthfully if people are getting so riled up about having misgivings about ownership problems that if affects the site, which i like a lot, then i’d stop posting for that reason.

          • Timster

            there’s a second point here though. some of the regulars drive other potential posters away by attacking them. someone like me with impish qualities finds humor in it, but others would just get discouraged. something to keep in mind michigangoat, twc, and others. you don’t get to dictate how other people respond to the team’s decisions, especially if those responses are widely shared. other than that, this is in my opinion the best cubs site and i’ll continue to read it.

            • MichiganGoat

              You never have gotten it have you? It’s not that we disagree it’s how you continue to bait people and avoid actual conversation. It not you being funny it you behaving like an Internet troll and then you your feeling get hurt you go on the attack.

              • Cyranojoe

                Bingo, for this and for Luke’s well-written response as well.

            • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

              If you can see the difference between:

              “I don’t like how the Cubs are ignoring the present and moving so much money out of the payroll. I’m also concerned that the renovations they are proposing to Wrigley aren’t going to be a good thing long term, even if they do result in higher revenue.”

              and

              “The Ricketts are nothing but a evil bunch of greedy, racist businessmen who are deliberately destroying this team and everything good about it to make themselves rich. Everyone who disagrees with me isn’t a real Cubs fan and is the pockets of the greedy billionaires who only care about losing.”

              … then you should have no problem here. One of those paragraphs can lead to discussion and a thoughtful exchange of ideas. The other is designed to elicit responses and really provides no basis for any kind conversation.

              The first kind is always welcome here. Many regulars here would agree with at least half of it (if not all the same half).

              The second is just a conversational dead end. It will get you nowhere.

              • Timster

                hah well i started that way, and then i tried experimenting, and guess which you guys preferred? no matter, it was a good couple weeks, and there’s an algorithm to response that’s interesting. and the owners suck and theo cant multitask. the end

                • MichiganGoat

                  Good bye I take it you choose the latter of Luke’s options and will continue baiting away.

                • http://deepcenterfield.blogspot.com Jason Powers

                  Isn’t it time for hot pockets?

              • MichiganGoat

                ^^^This^^^ Timster/Timmy please listen

        • http://bleachernation.com someday…2015?

          Thank you Brett for fixing that problem their. Can’t stand trolls who try to impersonate and hurt the reputation of a reliable source.

        • college_of_coaches

          I agree with you Brett.

        • Sumpting

          I promise I am not trying to take shot. I think you and Luke do a fantastic job. I enjoy your writing and I appreciate it. I do understand that I can just skip the comment section but there are some great insights from other posters (Michigangoat, etc.). It just gets tough to read the comments with such obnoxious crap. I like reading others opinions, to a point, but don’t have the time to read the obnoxious stuff. I am just pointing it out. Maybe I am in the minority but its how I feel. I have never commented before because I didn’t feel like I had too much to offer. I have taken in a few Boise Hawks games but that is about it. I have read here for years. I read when you posted anonymously as, studman bender. I hope that was right or I will have egg on my face. I won’t completely leave but it may not be my first stop. Don’t take it personal, it is the other idiots.

          • Rebuilding

            Where is this mythical message board without a troll or two? I’ve never seen one…ever…unless no one reads it. This is one of the most civil sports message boards I’ve ever come across. And I always love the goodbye posts – where someone feels the need to post why they supposedly won’t be around anymore. You could have just not come back

          • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

            studman bender?

            • Sumpting

              Or was it ace?

              • MichiganGoat

                Okay now I know this is a joke… or Timmy

              • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

                Brett posted as Ace once upon a time.

                I’ve never posted anonymously here, but had I thought of using studman bender I might have changed my mind about that.

                • MichiganGoat

                  You might be thinking about his Puckerpants name, but maybe this is legit but there has been a ton of trolling tonight so I suspect everything.

                • Sumpting

                  Luke, I was saying what Brett posted as before, to prove I have been reading for years. I don’t know where studman bender came from but I remembered that Brett posted as Ace before. Sorry to add to the trolling I guess. Last post here. I am out.

    • mjhurdle

      having spent quite a lot of time on ESPN/SI/FoxSports game boards, i have to say that Bleacher Nation is perhaps one of the most troll-free sites i visit.
      Even the couple trolls they do have here are so amazingly obvious about it that it makes it easy to avoid.
      The quality of the posts and the knowledge of not just Brett and Luke, but also 90% of the posters here explain exactly why it is, imo, the best Cubs site on the web.
      well, that, and the fact that it is free :)

      • http://bleachernation.com someday…2015?

        Well said.

  • NotAssman22

    Can you say Salazar, Bauer, Lee, Allen and PTBNL

    [This is your warning: stop commenting under this name. I am adding "not" to the front of your fake name, so you aren't accomplishing anything anyway. Give it up.]

    • http://bleachernation.com someday…2015?

      What?!!?!?! Don’t lie to me.

      • MichiganGoat

        It’s a fake account

    • bbmoney

      Ban him. Stupid fake assman.

      • YourResidentJag

        Is that something Kramer said on Seinfeld? ;)

  • MichiganGoat

    Guys I’m fairly certain that the Assman that has been commenting tonight is a fake account.

    • Timster

      that would be low, even by michigan standards

    • http://bleachernation.com someday…2015?

      That package he just proposed sure makes me think so. No way we get all that.

      • MichiganGoat

        It’s absolutely a fake Brett changed the other ones as NotAssman22

    • Carew

      Definitely

    • cubchymyst

      Well that is a disappointing revelation.

  • jpeck

    I apologize to the real Assman, for calling this one full of **it. My belief is that the Cubs dont get nearly what most of the posters here are asking for. I think the prospects they get will be more of the high-A variety but more of them. Here is to hoping I am wrong and we get a top Prospect that is a cant miss.

  • Abe Froman

    Have you been on ESPN lately, message boards chalk full of hate and trolls? This site has a nice community of conversation with waves of trolls, which at times can be entertaining but mostly frustrating. No one has the secret troll repellent, the trick is listening to the ones that matter, and there’s a lot of genuine, thoughtful posters on this site.

  • Assman22

    Cubs have 7 regulars in trade proposals today…could very well be watching a completely different team from August on…

    • gocatsgo2003

      And the intrigue/identity theft plot thickens…

    • MichiganGoat

      Is this the real or fake Assman

      • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

        This one has the ellipses addiction down pat… If it is a fake… it’s… a more intelligent one…

        • http://bleachernation.com someday…2015?

          Exactly what I was thinking Luke.

        • http://deepcenterfield.blogspot.com Jason Powers

          Its a more intelligent one… ;) Classic line.

        • jt

          I would expect the real assman to use the same e-mail addie as used in previous dates. If so Brett should be able to tell which witch is which?

    • MichiganGoat

      If this is fake bring on the BANHAMMER

      • Scott

        If it was not the real assman wouldn’t his name have be displayed as “notassman”?

        • MichiganGoat

          That has to be changed retroactively

          • X the Cubs fan

            Unless Brett does it…

  • Scott

    *been

  • Old Style

    Hopefully this year is the last big fire sale we have in decades.

    • http://deepcenterfield.blogspot.com Jason Powers

      We don’t have much to fire sale if 8 guys go. Unless, we bring in 5-6 FAs in the 2014 FA period. That would be intriguing…

      Last night: WE set a first half record for the Cubs in most guys playing for the squad. Something like 42 guys, 23 pitchers in the first half. I’m thinking 53 will be the final body count, er, players used.

      • hansman1982

        43 positional and 23 pitchers. 16 off of last year’s total.

        • http://deepcenterfield.blogspot.com Jason Powers

          Yep, that’s using that 40 man roster + 15 wandering folks.

  • http://deepcenterfield.blogspot.com Jason Powers

    Garza, Schierholtz, Gregg, Russell, Villanueva ( or DeJesus), Soriano, Navarro.

    The magnificent seven or eight.

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