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stoveI really hope MLB announces/leaks/whatevers the Biogenesis suspensions by the end of this week to help clarify the trade market. I say that not as a fan of a selling team (although, yes, mass suspensions on contending teams would probably help the Cubs), but instead as someone trying to track trade rumors. Until there is relative certainty on the Biogenesis stuff, it’s hard for teams to make moves. The trickling effect isn’t difficult to imagine: say the A’s really like Yovani Gallardo, but don’t want to make a move until they know what’s up with Bartolo Colon’s possible suspension. Meanwhile, the Diamondbacks kinda like Matt Garza and would be ready to offer the best package, but they won’t do it until they know that the same package won’t land them Gallardo. And the Brewers aren’t going to move Gallardo until they know if they can get that one special, awesome prospect they’ve always wanted from the A’s. That’s not only a plausible example, it’s a tiny, tiny circuit when compared to how extended this trickle could become. I want clarity, and, for that reason, I’m quite certain all of the buyers and sellers out there want clarity, too.

  • He sat the last two days before the All-Star break to get a full week’s rest, but Nate Schierholtz remains a popular name in trade circles discussing available outfielders. “Multiple sources” tell TribLive that the Pirates are checking in on Schierholtz in their pursuit of an outfield bat. My position on Schierholtz remains unchanged: if he can net you a very good prospect/player, or he can supplement a bigger trade and turn a package of so-so prospects into a package of elite prospects, then, sure, make a deal. But short of that, he’s under control through 2014, will make a very reasonable salary next year, and has taken quite well both to platooning and Wrigley. The Cubs don’t have a ton of starting-caliber outfielders ready to break through by the start of 2014, so there’s just no rush here.
  • It’s been a long time – well, a long time in rumor season days – since the Padres were “surprising” and “competitive” and “buying.” Danny Knobler reports that they’ve now swung completely in the other direction, and are ready to sell.* The big name that could mean is Chase Headley (no, I don’t see a fit with the Cubs for the reason I’ve said before: Headley doesn’t help the Cubs for the rest of 2013, even if he would in 2014. Because he doesn’t offer the Cubs value in 2013 (i.e., they aren’t playoff contenders), but does offer that value – hugely – to other teams), other teams will rightly be willing to pay much more for him. Where the Padres selling does affect the Cubs, however, is if they make Edinson Volquez (a cheap rental, though largely ineffective) or relievers Huston Street or Luke Gregerson available. Those latter two would command serious attention, even if it’s a down year for both.
  • *Another exemplary reminder of how difficult it is to peg the market in early July, let alone mid-June. And buyers – the legit ones – know this. They frequently would rather wait to buy until late July when there might be more players on the market. This is why a team like the Cubs, even if they for certain want to sell in June or early July can’t always pull it off. You’ve got to have a developed market for it to work.
  • As one team comes onto the market, one team might come off (kinda). That team would be the Marlins, per Joe Frisaro, who are now sending signals that they don’t want to trade any of their younger/cost-controlled players, including Giancarlo Stanton, Logan Morrison, Steve Cishek and Mike Dunn. No one thought Stanton would be traded this year anyway (though this report, coupled with one from Danny Knobler, suggests the Marlins won’t trade him this Winter, either), and the Cubs don’t really have a competing piece on the market for Morrison, so there’s no impact there. But if Cishek and Dunn aren’t available, that helps the reliever market for the Cubs.
  • It doesn’t sounds like scouts trust Kevin Gregg as a sure-fire closer for contenders, given that, when asked by Danny Knobler, the listed on Jonathan Papelbon as a reliable closer that might be available (forget that Papelbon has blown 5 of 25 save opportunities this year … (ok, that’s a little unfair, because he actually has been dominant, though his strikeout rate is way down)). Gregg’s tough two games against the Cardinals on national TV the last two days probably haven’t helped.
  • Speaking of Papelbon and the Phillies, with Ben Revere going down with a broken foot, Phillies GM Ruben Amaro is openly admitting that they’ll look for a center fielder in trade. Too bad David DeJesus has been out, and that Ryan Sweeney broke his rib. Not sure either of them would have been a perfect fit, but desperation is always welcomed by sellers in late July.
  • Ken Rosenthal suspects that scouts from the Pirates, Orioles, and Tigers could have been looking at Cubs relievers this weekend, rather than, for example, Matt Garza.
  • Jon Heyman was on the Score this morning, and, among other things, he said that there should be more interest in Alfonso Soriano than there is, and that the Cubs would likely focus on the prospect return, rather than just saving money. That last bit could ease the fears of folks who had heard Ken Rosenthal’s thoughts on the Cubs’ priorities in a Matt Garza deal
  • Assman22

    Texas offering quantity/Indians offering quality…Cubs likely to trade Garza first before the rest…

    • http://the-billy-goat.mlblogs.com Cubs_Questions

      I think Garza is the last to go. Schierholtz slumping. Gregg pitching poorly. Garza’s trade stock is likely going to stay high, and Theo and Co may want to sell the other two before risking losing much of their trade value.

      Keep in mind that both Schierholtz and Gregg have been having career years and are both regressing towards their career numbers.

  • AD

    Jim Bowden: Texas, Washington, Boston, Arizona and Colorado are all in on Garza and to a lesser extent Cleveland.

    • Rebuilding

      If Bowden said that it convinces me the Indians are the team

  • Deacon

    Seriously. Has Bowden ever been right about ANYthing?

    • AD

      I know. Just thought I’d add it to the discussion. I would love Arizona to be the final landing spot though.

  • X the Cubs fan

    Could Villanueva and Schierholtz be enough to bring back Tyler Glasnow+ it might be a strech but the production and the extra season of control could be intriguing?

    • Rebuilding

      I think its possible. This is the Pirates chance to wipe out 25 years of frustration. I don’t think they would let an A ball pitcher, who was their #8 prospect entering the season, stand in the way if they think its what they need. Plus with all of their young pitching it might be easier for them to justify

      • AD

        He would be a great get. Love is K/BB ratio.

        • Rebuilding

          Yeah. He’ll be Top 100 for sure after this year

    • Afinch

      Just looking at Glasnow’s numbers and imagining him in the Cubs system makes me all tingly inside. Like Ron Burgundy and his scotch.

      That being said, I would think Pittsburgh wouldn’t be including him in any trade. Never know…

  • Crazyhorse

    Chase Headley would make the Cubs a better team period ,but the Cubs are not looking to make a competitive team for 2013 or 2014. The Cubs want to hire players and flip them for marginal players so they can parley the standing to reflect and reward the Cubs Front office with higher draft choices.
    Is this a bad rebuild plan? If winning is not important then yes it is a good plan.

    The Cubs Stockpile draft choices spend ridiculous amounts on signing bonuses for player that might be awesome or later proven bad. The Cubs restock by signing 16 year olds to multimillion dollars signing bonuses because of pure potential that may eventually fizzle out .

    Yet to claim that Chase Headley would not help the team at a needed position that is lacking, is down right butt kissing to the fornt office.

    Chase Headley is a young enough player that can help this team today and next season and beyond, but the Cubs do not want an exciting team. nor a competitive team . They want a team that is under budget because fans will pay the dollars to attend games regaurdless of the standing during the Summer months . And we as cub fans should realize the difference.

    On the other hand Big /Little Theo should be out of job in 7 years unless he is the super genius and knows every person he signed will turn into a superstar then in 7 to 8 year the team will be great.

    With every passing year the rebuild seems to add two more years to the rebuild When will this bait and switch stop. in a couple of years The Cubs will trade off these players for better players younger minor league players – while the 25 man roster suffers

    • AD

      What would you be willing to give up for Headley?

    • AlwaysNextYear

      Genius. Can’t believe I never seen it coming. Thanks for the heads up man. Down with Theo

    • Rebuilding

      Chase Headley has had one very good year during his age 28 season which is starting to look like a fluke. He has one season of over 12 HRs. He has one season of slugging over 420. He would cost you far more in prospects than what he is worth and will get a monster contract. Just say no

      • Crazyhorse

        The limp wristed Stewart was the fluke.

    • Justin

      Headley played out his ass last yr, and is having a pretty crappy campaign this yr. Plus, he wants ridiculous coin in an extension. I am all for getting talent on the 2014 Cubs, but not a fan of this idea.

      • Crazyhorse

        Who or whom we trade for Chad might make the deal unrealistic but to make a blanket statement that Headley would not improve the Cubs is false.

        It seems any player the Cubs could sign or trade to make this team a better team is not an option. the option is to keep this team in the draft -Lottery for a below 5 pick. for a couple of years.

        I say this, if the Cubs are STILL losers 5 years from now then this front office should be fired. (that would be a total of seven years. of pure rebuild ) until the Cubs put a team on the field . I just dont see it. some fans think this is the best plan – i doubt it,

        The standing are a true reflection of one organization. id rather have a world series trophy than some Kane County 1st or are they in last place trophy.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

      I’d like to see what Headley could do in Wrigley. I suspect he’d put up some great numbers there.

      I also think he’ll reach free agency. I know the trend is for teams to lock up their players, but San Diego has had no luck getting Headley extended lately. And if he is traded I honestly think he’ll give free agency a go.

      I could be wrong about that, but I think the Cubs would be better off spending prospect capital in other areas and going for Headley on the free agent market should he come available and still be a fit.

      • hansman1982

        Headley is very meh for me. He had his career year and I sure as hell don’t want to pay for that Chase Headley, now, if we could pay for the slightly better than league average bat that plays a semi-premium position.

  • Bill

    Headley is not the type of guy the Cubs should go after. Why give up prospects and then pay him huge money to sign an extension? It’s one thing to trade for him as a short term rental (if you are near playoff contender) or to maybe sign him as a FA, but I wouldn’t do both. He looks like a one year wonder to me and he’s not young. I’m not sure I’d be interested in him in any of the realistic scenarios. I’d rather the Cubs find another rental, or look internal (Junior Lake?) for 3B.

  • Cory

    Heard Len Casper on the score today. He said he thought any deal involving Garza would not only to bring back pitching talent , but talent that was near or major league ready. It seemed a little odd since he danced around the comment afterwards by saying they could keep him for compensation (blah blah) but he definetly emphasized that he thought it would be a pitcher who would slot right in to the rotation quickly. I was listening on the app so I replayed it twice. Also read that Kaplan is expecting a phenonminal return and that scouts now believe that he is 100% healthy.

  • Assman22

    Cubs have told Rangers to include Perez or they’ll move on…Cubs also told Indians the asking price for Garza/Gregg remains to be Bauer and Salazar+…Cubs not backing down…

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      If true, it’s hard to see how there’s so much confidence out there that a deal will get done this week. For those teams, at least, those are extremely high prices.

      • Jp3

        Yeah so seeing Brett responded to this post, we must be dealing with the real assman? That is pretty pricey.

        • Jp3

          That’s expensive a price for 2 guys sitting at AAA with a great minor league track record, I can’t see them doing that with them so close to being productive day in and day out major leaguers. Hell at this point I’d settle for Bauer himself seeing he has the makings of an absolute stud and not to mention he’s hella cheap for a bit.

          • hansman1982

            Bauer also has a major flaw: control. He is still walking way to many guys. Now, the Cubs do have a pretty sweet MILB pitching coordinator and the ability to be patient with Bauer but I think he may be getting some over-hyping.

      • gocatsgo2003

        I’m guessing you think this is the legit poster?

        • Jp3

          Brett responded to it so I assume so or Brett would have named him NotAssman22 like last night. Somebody trying to steal assmans thunder.

        • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

          I can say only that, yes, this is one is actually the Assman that you have come to know.

          • hansman1982

            I like our Assman. He is perfectly proportioned. (or some other “butt is nice” reference)

            • DarthHater

              BN has the hottest Assman.

          • DarthHater

            You mean there has also been a False Assman here? Horrors.

            • hansman1982

              He was waaaay to flabby with his trade rumors.

          • gocatsgo2003

            So the Rangers = quantity, Indians = quality post above is legit then as well… interesting value proposition on both sides.

      • Assman22

        All depends on possible Garza extension…

        • Serious Cubs Fan

          Assman, what kind of money we talking? You think theres a chance he signs a 5yr. $80mil extension?

          • Serious Cubs Fan

            As the Great Joakim Noah once said, “What’s so good about Cleveland?” “You like it?” Noah said. “You think Cleveland is cool? I’ve never heard anyone say, ‘I’m going to Cleveland on vacation.”

            Sorry but Cleveland is a MASSIVE downgrade in quality of life from Chicago lol. Its like going from eating Prime Rib to baloney. I wouldn’t want to sign with Cleveland if I were him.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN0WqSeCKW8

            Sorry if I offended anyone, and all jokes aside. I really think it could be a factor, because with a lot of professional athletes the city they sign with matters. You follow the money but if he thinks he can get a similar deal on free agency to what signing an extension would be then, then I’d wait till free agency and if I get an offer from a team that’s city is a (no offense) a step above Cleveland then I’d probably sign with the other team. (of course you also have to factor in if the team will be competitive or not) As you can tell I’m a big Chicago guy and love living here.

        • DarthHater

          So if the deal falls through, we can blame Garza? Great. I was getting tired of hating Dempster. :-P

    • Spencer

      I would crap my pants if the Cubs got Bauer and Salazar

    • Rebuilding

      Well, that would be pretty amazing. Would be shocked if we got both, but glad if they are asking as the Indians really need Garza. I think at this point the Indians are probably more willing to give up Bauer than Salazar (despite Bauer’s higher upside) just because Salazar looks more likely to help this year. Also, there have been several stories touting the fact that Salazar is the first homegrown Indians pitcher in quite some time. Dare to dream

    • Serious Cubs Fan

      Wow…Bauer and Salazar+ for garza and Gregg. I don’t see anyway how the Indians cave to give up that much. I mean that be amazing if we could land both but wow

    • hansman1982

      Please be true, please be true, please be true.

  • Brunsmk

    Is it just crazy to think the 50/50 garza is throwing out there is dependent on the return the cubs get. If it is a good one they do it if not they resign him.

  • jeff1969

    That Cleveland return would be exciting. Bauer’s reputation is a little bit of a nuisance but his talent is undeniable. I think if Texas would part with Luke Jackson, along with Pimentel, Ramirez, and Sardinas, replacing Garcia for Jackson from what had been mentioned before, that would be a very good return. Of course, I think somebody is going along with Garza. Schierholtz?

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