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  • Dave Kaplan has turned his full attentions to the Matt Garza trade story, which means we’re getting a fair bit of new info. The latest from Kaplan has the Rangers, Cardinals, Pirates, Indians, Blue Jays, and Dodgers as the “strongest pursuers,” but other teams still interested. From the sound of things, a personnel executive with whom Kaplan spoke believes the Rangers, Blue Jays, and Cardinals may have the most incentive to go after Garza.
  • The Red Sox don’t appear on Kaplan’s list, and that is consistent with a new report out of Boston. A source tells Sean McAdam that the Red Sox do not “figure to be big players” in the fight for Garza. The Cubs have apparently been asking for two prospects from the following group of pitchers: Allen Webster, Rubby de la Rosa, Matt Barnes, Brandon Workman, Henry Owens, and Anthony Ranaudo. (Damn, the Red Sox have a really nice group of pitching prospects.) A source tells McAdam that the Red Sox weren’t even willing to part with one from that group in a deal over the offseason (for anyone, or for Garza? The report is unclear), and they aren’t about to send any of them away now for a rental. It would be a bummer if the Red Sox are out of it, given the obvious depth of their system (we haven’t even talked about their upper level infield surplus) and the Cubs’ front office’s familiarity with that system. One from that group of pitchers and, say, Garin Cecchini? Yes, please.
  • The Red Sox are in, according to Jim Bowden. He adds the Rangers, Nationals, Diamondbacks, Rockies, and maybe Indians. Not a lot of overlap with Kaplan’s list, which is probably good news. I’ve got to believe, though, that at this stage in the process, only a small handful of teams believe they have a legit shot at acquiring Garza. Maybe the rest of the teams have simply said, “Hey, Cubs, before you deal him, give us a chance to make one last offer,” even if they aren’t actively involved in negotiations. Can’t hurt, though.
  • Between Kaplan and Bowden, there are as many as 10 involved teams: Rangers, Blue Jays, Cardinals, Pirates, Indians, Dodgers, Red Sox, Nationals, Diamondbacks, and Rockies.
  • Dallas-based T.R. Sullivan, who reports for MLB.com, says that Rangers top pitching prospect Martin Perez, who has been pitching well in the bigs for the last few weeks, will not be traded in a Garza deal. “That’s not going to happen.” The names Sullivan says could be included are pitchers Neil Ramirez or Carlos Pimentel, and/or infielders Leury Garcia or Luis Sardinas. That’s not a specific package, mind you, those are just the names he says could be included. While all are legit prospects, they are lower-tier-stock-down types. Even if the Cubs got all four for Garza, I’m not sure you’d be happy with that package.
  • I offer this NBC Dallas piece not for the truth of the matter asserted (sorry for the legalism, sometimes it slips out), but instead for the color it provides. When a Cubs player is frequently connected to a particular team, I like to see how their local media is discussing the situation to get a sense of how they view the involved Cubs player. It helps me stay grounded, and also sometimes provides a little insight. In that article, which generically asserts that the Rangers are considered the frontrunner for Garza (probably true, but there’s no support offered), the author describes Garza not as an ace or a panacea for the Rangers, but says he would slot into the rotation just behind ace Yu Darvish. Martin Perez is described optimistically as a part of the rotation over the rest of the season (meaning, to locals, he’s not even plausibly considered as part of a trade for Garza, consistent with Sullivan’s report). Mike Olt is described as what would “almost certainly” be the “start” of a package for Garza – not because his star has fallen, but because he’s blocked at third base by Adrian Beltre.
  • Speaking of Olt, it has become generally accepted that, if the Cubs do deal with the Rangers, he’s going to be in the deal (though Sullivan didn’t mention him). The hope, given his .211/.312/.399 line at AAA, his impending 25th birthday, and his reported vision problems, is that Olt would not be the centerpiece of a Garza deal, but merely one of about three quality prospects coming the Cubs’ way. If the vision issue is correctable, then Olt is still something close to the guy who broke out last year and found his way into most top 30 prospect lists (that’d be top 30 in all of baseball). He’s got a good bat and a great glove at third, and would be dirt cheap through his prime years. That’s a fine piece in a Garza deal, and represents a “buy low” opportunity. Worry not about what adding Olt would mean for Bryant/Villanueva/Baez/whoever. You add talent when you can add talent, and you deal with the positional glutting issues later. The real issue here is whether Olt is the main piece or just one of several quality pieces. (Despite his fall, it’s worth noting that he’s still a top 50 prospect (No. 44) to Baseball America).
  • A source tells Jim Bowden that there’s an 80 percent chance Garza is dealt before his next start. That’s the same percentage Bowden’s colleague Buster Olney put on a Garza deal this week the other day, which means either they’ve got the same source, their sources have the same originating source, Bowden’s source is a Buster Olney fan, or Bowden’s source is Buster Olney.
  • More Garza stuff from Joel Sherman. A panel of anonymous execs feel like Garza is the best player who will be traded this month, and the most likely destination is, you guessed it, the Rangers. Let’s just hope Sullivan is wrong about the players that could/would be involved in such a deal.
  • mdavis

    Olt, Jackson, and Ramirez?

    • mdavis

      Buckell is another high upside, down stock type arm too. i’m just spit balling.

      • CubsFaninMS

        Cody Buckel is a “very down stock”… as in “red flag”. Look at his ERA and walks. Receiving him and Olt in a deal would be like shaking the dice IMO. This trade is on par in importance level with the drafting of Bryant. We need to maximize our return and keep the risk low. I’m hoping there’s a multi-team deal that brings us back a stud pitching prospect. The only Rangers pitching prospect that really looks that way is Martin Perez and it’s all but certain they won’t trade him. Just my thoughts.

        • mdavis

          i agree, i think i’m just partially trying to temper my own views of the package we receive. that way if its better than i’ll be happy. haha

  • JoshO

    My guess on this situation is that Garza only gets dealt if the Cubs get the package they really want. I bet they know exactly what an extension for Garza would cost and may be willing to do that, but want to see if they can get a huge haul from another team instead that would fill multiple holes going forward.

    • mdavis

      that wouldn’t be a bad strategy. know in the back of your mind you’re willing to meet a price, but first see if you get the package you want. idk how likely that is, but its a good though.

      • Ben

        The other piece is that Garza may be inflating his extension desire knowing full well that if he’s not traded, the qualifying offer will depress his value in FA. Teams aren’t likely to overpay AND lose a pick (especially in what looks like a loaded draft).

        He/agent may be telling the Cubs one thing, when in reality, we could sign him for a few million cheaper post July 31. Garza knows full well that getting traded and hitting FA is the way to maximize his value. Anything else, and he just won’t get as much.

    • Kyle

      That really doesn’t seem to be the case.

  • Spriggs

    Ramirez is the only Ranger who Sullivan named that I would be interested in. Really hope they find another partner if he is correct.

  • cms0101

    I really hope Olt is not in the package. I thought he was an overrated prospect last year and he’s done nothing to change that. He’s just a year older. The focus should be on pitching, getting at least 2 pitching prospects from any team they deal with. A catcher or an OF that’s ML ready wouldn’t be bad either. The system is generally weak in the catcher department. so stacking the upper minors with a few young catchers instead of the journeymen that currently man those positions would be ideal.

    • Spriggs

      I hear you on Olt. You have to be skeptical about the guy. But I’ll tell you one thing, the year I saw him in the AFL, he looked flat out awesome. It’s hard to get some of those images out of my head. It looked like man against boys every time I saw him. I still say this guy will hit in the majors.

    • Serious Cubs Fan

      I have no problem with Olt being in a deal for Garza as long as he’s not the centerpiece. If he’s like the second prospect in the package then I think its not bad. I understand your concerns though, with his strikeout rate and vision. The guy still has upside though. I don’t think he’s going to be the guy people once thought he could be but I think he could be a legit power hitting 3rd baseman who hits .240 with 25 homers. That still has value. He could also be a legit trade piece in the future too

    • Cubbyboy13

      I mentioned yesterday some prospects I thought were interesting in the Rangers organization, but unfortunately many of them are in the same boat as the Cubs prospects. They play in lower levels and aren’t major league ready. They do however, have what you described in a catching and outfield prospect. Jorge Alfaro was ranked #72 on MLB.com top prospect list coming into the season and he would be a nice pickup, instantly becoming our top catching prospect. Nick Williams is the outfield prospect. Great power and speed combo. Looks like he can be a good one. Both players are in A ball though. Some other interesting names are Luke Jackson and Neil Ramirez of course, along with my personal favorite CJ Edwards (just look at his strikeout numbers this year), and Alec Asher.

  • Cubbie Tim

    I hope we deal him to the Cards. We take their prospects & he signs elsewhere next year. I say package him w/Castro for Waka & Wong. Move Barney to SS & wait for Baez

    • Coop

      Wacha and Wong is a pretty terrible return for Garza and Castro.

    • Cubbyboy13

      Garza and castro are worth more than Wacha and Wong

      • Cubbie Tim

        I meant to throw in Traverez

        • Rebuilding

          Thank you for the bullet on Olt, Brett. Last year at this time he seemed to be what everyone wanted for Garza. At this point he’s not going to be the centerpiece and much like Bauer, you only have a chance to get these type of guys when there has been a hiccup along the way. All the usual caveats – his age, his strikeout problems, etc… – but he’s an interesting piece as part of a larger deal.

          As far as the Red Sox – if they make Cecchini available – you accept that deal with or without a pitcher involved. He looks to be ready by September and will likely be in the Top 10 in the league in OBP for the next decade. If he eventually adds power you have one of the top players in baseball.

          I’ve often thought the Red Sox were a severe longshot – because rightly or wrongly – I don’t think the brass in Boston wants anything to do with helping Theo build a monster. You might say that shouldn’t matter and I would agree, but given the size of some of the egos over there I would suspect they would very much like to see Epstein fail

          • Ivy Walls

            Epstein fail is only at the price of not getting into the playoffs or WS, Garza would solidify their position against Balt, NYY, Tor

            As for the 3B Cecchini I also think getting Swihert the catcher, both hit from the left side the catcher is a switch hitter and the Cubs could include BJax and Vitters while getting an Owens and either a Rinaudo (arm) that coincides with Vitters and BJax being hurt….plus throw in a Wadkins or Ha from our side to get another arm like Britton

            Essentially Cecchini & Swihert for Garza
            Owens and Rinaudo for BJax and Vitters
            Wadkins or Ha for Britton

            BoSox get some Elsbury insurance plus a replacement 3B and Garza.

            • On The Farm

              Except Vitters and Jackson have done squat at the MLB level so they actually provide no insurance and a replacement 3B who still hasn’t hit MLB pitching. And as for Ha and Watkins you are giving up an arm for a guy who figures to be a 4th OF (and that’s mainly because of his D) and Watkins who hasn’t played above AAA.

              So Boston gives up 3 of their pitching prospects, their future catcher and 3B. For the best SP on the market and 4 AAA guys. Yeah Boston can find better stuff out there than that.

            • Rebuilding

              My point was that you aren’t getting Cecchini. Maaaaaaaybe Swihart and the arm they like the least. As for their feeling on an Epstein fail – I’m not saying it would be the right thing to do, but people hurt their own position all of the time over grudges and egos

              • On The Farm

                I would pull the trigger on a deal that centered around Swihart, and two lesser peices (one of their lesser arms and another). Catcher is just as weak as our pitching depth.

                Sometimes you just make way too much sense Rebuilding

    • mjhurdle

      if the Cubs traded Garza and Castro and only got Wong and Wacha back, i would be insanely disappointed

    • Coop

      If you are talking JUST Castro, you could start somewhere around Wacha and Wong, then add some, and then we are talking. Including both Garza and Castro and would better be talking Taveras + + + +

  • AD

    It’s great to have ten teams involved. The Pirates would be an interesting fit.

  • Cubsfan21

    Martin Perez is what the Cubs need from the Rangers. Outside of that, find a different team to trade with cause there is nothing else to be really had. Pitching wise.

    • mdavis

      there may not be a better offer out there. for all we know teams are willing to wait out the cubs until they have to pull a trigger on a lesser deal, like dempster last season. Dodgers refused to part with the players the Cubs wanted.

      • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

        A bit of an apples/oranges situation there, given that, by the time the deadline rolled around, the Cubs’ options were: (1) Dodgers crappy offer, (2) Rangers decent offer, or (3) Yankees not interested. Those were the only places Dempster would go, and the teams involved knew it. Couldn’t really apply much pressure to them.

        • Serious Cubs Fan

          I hope the Dodgers go piss off. I don’t want to see him traded there unless its a great package of prospects. They need to realize their money can’t get them everything like this trade for Garza. We aren’t the Marlins in the Nolasco trade. I would mind trading him their as long as they pony up in a trade. The Dodgers are the new yankees in my book

          • Sweet Swinging 26

            Not a fan of the Dodgers after the Dempster debacle last year, but makes sense. Garza is from the left coast and would probably entertain signing an extension with them. Who knows if the Dodgers will pony up, but they make more sense than say Toronto.

            • Josh t

              If we could net Aaron Sanchez from Toronto, I’m all in

      • AD

        Garza is different though because unlike Dempster, he fits into the long-term plan.

    • Serious Cubs Fan

      Texas has Jackson who is pretty good, but he’s not good enough to be a center piece in Garza trade. I agree though that we need Perez in a deal to make it worth Garza, unless they are will to give up a ton of quantity of good prospects.

      Assman said yesterday that Texas is offering Quantity and Indians are offering quality.
      It sounds like Texas isn’t willing to part with their one really good pitching prospect in Perez as of now

      • Scott

        And I’m a guy who would rather take “quality” over “quantity” every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Who cares if you get 100 players in the trade if none of them are MLB material?

        • Mr. B. Patient

          I’m with you here, Scott. To the Cubs credit, they have really improved the farm system. Not only the 6 or Top 100 guys, but a TON of guys who have a ceiling of being useful major league pieces. We’d be fine without more of those. Get the biggest impact player you can.

  • HackAttack

    “Some stuff that’s out there is completely fabricated. I guess what I can tell you is– speaking in general terms, of course– we have not had one discussion with a team about a starter. So, if people are reading names that are out there, that would be a 100% complete fabrication, in terms of us going after a starter right now. Doesn’t mean that if something came up a week from now, or something, that we wouldn’t be open to it, but right now we’re not engaged in or having any dialogue with respect to a starter.” – Alex Anthopoulos

    http://blogs.thescore.com/djf/2013/07/16/anthopoulos-rumours-of-starting-pitching-discussions-a-100-complete-fabrication-and-more/

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      I always have a hard time squaring these kinds of quotes – Dave Dombrowski is another one who says things like this – with there being *so many* sources indicating that his team is interested in a particular player (in this case, Garza).

      If the Blue Jays have had absolutely no contact with the Cubs about Garza, as AA says, then how are so many people out there saying that they are not only involved, but – as Bruce Levine reported – one of the favorites, as of a few days ago? Bruce doesn’t play it too fast and loose with his reports, so I have to believe that AA isn’t being 100% truthful, to put it in his own terms.

      At the same time, I don’t know AA from Adam, so I hate to say he’s lying. Rumor season!

      • Spriggs

        But lies and baseball lies are really two different things. All front office guys by necessity have to be baseball liars.

        • HackAttack

          Information and disinformation. Everyone is trying to play it to their advantage it seems.

      • Kyle

        If AA is telling the truth, then are there any parties that would benefit from the perception that the Blue Jays are involved in talks? I’d look there for the source of the (under this assumption) false rumors.

        • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

          Very good point.

        • Rebuilding

          The Cubs?

      • Assman22

        Haven’t heard a peep about Blue Jays involved…

        • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

          And, to be clear, I’m certainly not saying their involvement (in the last two/three weeks, anyway) ever really made sense. But it’s been a wide-spread rumor.

        • http://bleachernation.com someday…2015?

          Assman, has your opinion changed about where you think Garza lands? If Im remembering correctly you thought Texas was the favorite about a week ago…

  • Patrick G

    I need an Assman post and I needed it yesterday

    • Serious Cubs Fan

      He already did today. garza/Gregg for Salazar and Brauer is the current asking price. And cubs won’t make a deal with Perez being included as of now

      • Jono

        I have no clue who Salazar is, but I know Bauer (brauer?) is a potential ace. I’d be happy with that. The cubs got lucky with Gregg and took on no risk to get him. So his presence in the trade doesn’t really matter to me as far as making it too much to give up. I would think that Hoyer would sit down with Bauer (Brauer?) and basically say, “You’re our employee, we’re your employer. You will follow our rules like every other employee in the world has to do”

        • Serious Cubs Fan

          Assman, also says we won’t get both Salazar and Brauer both unless Garza agrees to sign an extension. Its still very hard for me to see us getting them both, just because I don’t think Garza will sign an extension unless he 5yr $80mil+, and idk if Cleveland has the budget are want to sign him to that

          • Jono

            yea, their budget must be running really tight these days. I’m from the mind set that a potential extension is pretty valuable as a tradable asset. If that theory is correct, you’d have to think that Hoyer would hold out for a team that will offer an extension

      • AD

        Bauer and Salazar could would be incredible. Does Bauer have the ceiling of a #2 and Salazar and #3?

        • Cubsfan21

          Indians are in the middle of a rebuild. They aren’t going to give up pieces like Bauer AND/OR Salazar for 2 months of Matt Garza. Think about that.

          I hate to play Dr. Death but I’m starting to think there are gonna be a lot of sad Cubs fans (Including me) when we see the return on Garza. Hope I’m wrong.

          • mdavis

            how is it the middle of a rebuild? they threw a lot of money at several free agents in their 30s. i’d say they are trying to be competitive and win.

          • Patrick G

            I’m not sure about that. I really don’t think Bauer and Salazar is realistic, but don’t think te FO will just accept the best offer if its nothing special. If they don’t find anything worthwhile; I believe they hold him and look for a cheaper extension since he will be tied to a compensation pick and his price will have to drop

            • Josh t

              Agreed. Just a couple days we didn’t even know we could get a player of Brauer’s caliber and now we think we can get Salazar too. It be awesome but I’m not getting my hopes up

      • Patrick G

        Oh well looks like my home run derby hangover made me miss that one. Thanks

      • Spencer

        Let’s please stop calling him Brauer.

      • JulioZuleta

        Damn, I really wanted Bauer and Salazar for Garza and Gregg, but now I’m 100% sure that it isn’t going to happen.

        • Coop

          Yep, that would be a dream trade.

        • Josh t

          I doubt a brauer/Salazar deal will happen too, but it’s completely contingent on an extension it sounds like and I doubt Cleveland is willing to shell out possibly $8mil+

          • Josh t

            $80mil+*

  • Glen

    Garza for Darvish, straight up………………hey, never hurts to throw it out there, right??? Yeah, I couldnt even get it out with a straight face…….

  • http://waittilnextyear.net Nate Corbitt

    I do NOT want to see Garza go to the Cardinals, no matter who we get back. It’s a lock that he’ll become another Adam Waitwright. And they’ll sign him to an extension, and he’ll kill us for the next 5 years.

    • AD

      Id have to get Carlos Martinez back from the Cards for Garza.

      • Josh t

        Absolutely no way the cards would send us major pieces to us for garza. They be to scared to see that player hurt them in the division in the future. Bad PR

        • AD

          Yeah the baseball gods owe us one after the Lou Brock trade!

          • Edwin

            I think the baseball gods figure that the Sandberg trade and the Jenkins trade cancel that one out.

    • Spriggs

      …and the guys we get back will all become unexplainable basket cases.

    • ncsujuri

      Garza would also resign with teh Cardinals and win 2 out of the next 3 Cy Youngs and a WS MVP this year because you know…voodooo magic

      • willis

        That’s exactly what would happen, or worse. They’d take his talent and make him a top 5 pitcher in all of baseball haunting the cubs for the next 5 years for not being smart and just extending him.

  • Dave

    As a Cubs fan living in Arlington, TX, I get a kick out of listening to the local “fans” talk about trade deadline deals. Since the two World Series’ appearances by the Rangers, there has not been a more entitled group of people in the world than Rangers fans. It is funny to listen to. I can tell you this: If Jon Daniels gives the Cubs a good package for Garza, and Garza doesn’t do well, he will be crucified (nevermind that he put together one of the best teams in baseball over the last 4 years or so). If he doesn’t get Garza, he will be crucified for not pulling the trigger, or not offering enough to get the deal.

    I am sure that Cubs fans are just as insane, but it is great listening to them without the emotional attachment that the Cubbies bring to my table. It certainly is nice to say that over the last few years that we finally have the “smart guys” on our side. Let’s just hope that it actually turns into some success this time.

    • Mr. Gonzo

      Many TEX fans I know here in ATX are starting to come around on giving up Perez for Garza. They are ready to win yesterday.

      • Serious Cubs Fan

        Dave and Mr. Gonzo,

        On sports talk radio in Arlington what trade package scenarios are you hearing for Garza? Are rangers fan’s willing to give up whatever it takes to get Garza (excluding Profar)? Or are Ranger fans thinking it won’t take much?

        • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

          Bet it hews closer to the latter, but that’s a good question.

        • Mr. Gonzo

          From my perch in Austin, Texas, I’m hearing Perez is quality, yet unsustainable (for a WS run this year), rotation-filler until SPs come back from DL. He hasn’t lived up to his hype, and fans are willing to let him go if it means locking in a veteran #2/3 in Garza for a strong WS run. However, they’d prefer to keep Perez as depth — if they somehow could talk CHC in taking Grimm + Olt — because he is decent, just inexperienced.

          Also FWIW: TEX fans are confident Olt will bounce back to his previous self, but he is blocked by Beltre, so they are also willing to let him go for a strong WS run via Garza.

          Would you take Perez + Olt + PTBN for Garza + PTBN? I think I would.

          • YourResidentJag

            I would. Just not Olt as centerpiece.

    • Serious Cubs Fan

      Good, I hope Jon Daniels gives us a package of prospects that he’ll regret for a long time.

  • Rich

    Salazar and Brauer play for who?

    • DarthHater

      Columbus Clippers

    • TWC

      Team Followback

    • Spencer

      Indians.

  • Cubfan Budman

    Looking at the Farm system Theo built in Boston makes my mouth water

    • http://vdcinc.biz 70′scub

      yep! The Cub are on their Way.

  • cubfanincardinalland

    Olt is still a top 50 baseball America prospect because they can’t admit when they are wrong. There are at least 10 minor league 3rd baseman who would rank ahead of Olt today, including the Cubs Villenueva and Bryant. I would rather have the 32nd pick in the draft by giving Garza a qualifying offer if that is all they can get for him in trade.

    • DarthHater

      There’s also something else about Olt that one should be aware of:

      [img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7283/9301955542_420a1f6c1c_o.jpg[/img]

      • BluBlud

        Hey, I thought after the whole Jason Collins Coming out story, that this was now acceptable in sports.

        • DarthHater

          No idea what you mean. Nobody said anything about anybody being gay. Just that Olt’s bad eyesight is apparent when he dresses himself. :-P

          • BluBlud

            Oh, now I understand completely.

    • ssckelley

      I disagree, getting Olt is better than getting a compensation pick in next years draft. You are getting a high level prospect at a position that is in high demand. Everybody wants power hitting/ decent fielding 3rd baseman and the Cubs would add another piece to a talented organization. If any of the vision issues are true and are corrected then I would be all over Olt + a couple of other prospects in a deal for Garza.

  • Cubfan Budman

    Cleveland

  • Josh t

    Brett,
    Just curious when the next podcast is coming out? I know your busy and all so no worries. Rumor filled podcast would make my day

    • Josh t

      Also keep up the good work!! Thanks

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      Recording today.

  • http://vdcinc.biz 70′scub

    Why not PROFAR?

  • Rich

    has assman commented on this site exclusively or are his posts at other spots ?

    can someone answer..can Garza be allowed to negotiate NOW with a team for an extension BEFORE a trade OR is a deal contingent ON a TRADE?

    • LWeb23

      The Cubs can allow him to talk to other teams before the trade. Sunday night Assman said the Cubs had already granted permission to Cleveland and another team, he did not have the name of the other team though.

    • hansman1982

      The Assman has been around the block a time or two.

      • DarthHater

        Assman is sitting on a goldmine of info.

        • Internet Random

          And quite an ass, presumably.

          • waittilthisyear

            maybe he is a proctologist

  • rockin’ dawg

    Jesus, people….it’s Trevor BAUER, not Brauer. And Mike Olt sounds alot like Josh Vitters to me.

    • King Jeff

      Besides the whole being good defensively at third base thing.

      • Kyle

        Mike Olt is basically just the 3b version of Brett Jackson.

        • King Jeff

          That’s probably more accurate than a Vitters comp.

        • DarthHater

          Actually, Jackson’s AAA batting stats are quite a bit better than Olt’s.

          • ssckelley

            You must mean overall at AAA?

          • Kyle

            Yeah, but Olt’s AA stats, which are just as recent as Jackson’s best AAA work, were much better. No comp is perfect, but the arc is remarkably similar.

  • North Side Irish

    jon greenberg ‏@espnchijon 3m
    Good story about Manny Ramirez helping Mike Olt in minors. If Cubs trade Garza to Rangers, Olt could be return. http://espn.go.com/dallas/mlb/story/_/id/9459392/texas-rangers-prospect-mike-olt-tapping-manny-ramirez-wisdom

    I don’t want Olt if it means we have to talk about Manny Ramirez…

  • King Jeff

    I don’t know guys, I’m not all that excited about getting a 29 year old career minor leaguer in exchange for Garza.
    http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=brauer001dan

    • JulioZuleta

      Hah. Especially one that retired from baseball 4 years ago.

      • TWC

        He’s just waiting for the right offer.

    • mjhurdle

      \His ERA and WHIP are bad, but if you look at some of the advanced metrics, it makes that 16.10 ERA and 3.1+ WHIP look…..well…god awful.

      • BluBlud

        I dont know, if Bosio can work him back into 2006 form, he might be a buy low candidate. I would not be happy if he headlines a deal, but he might be an option as the 23rd piece in a deal.

  • soberlarussa

    This is what interests/and or concerns me the most about Olt:

    Splits:

    vs RHP (as RHB): .176/.278/.338
    vs LHP (as RHB): .293/.375/.561

    IF that is accurate, and IF it is “down” because of his eye problems…he at least is an option to platoon with Valbuena/play LF? I dunno.

    • Serious Cubs Fan

      You don’t trade Garza for a platoon player. They have to be confident Olt is better then a platoon player if they trade Garza for him.

  • Paul

    I’d like to be happy with the deal. I haven’t been very happy in the first couple of years of the Theo-cracy. Make me happy, dammit!!

  • Edwin

    I’d pass on Bauer. His BB/9 just raises too high of a red flag for me.

  • BluBlud

    If the Rangers were willing to do Leonys martin, Wilmer Font and Niel Ramirez, I would take that trade. I thinks thats good package of prospect for the Cubs, and a fair package for the Rangers.

    • BluBlud

      This is package with Schierholtz

  • Ballrock20

    If we make a deal with the Rangers, I would love for the Cubs to include Neil Ramirez. Former first round pick with 113k’s in 92 innings at Double A. Obviously he wouldn’t be the headliner and needs to prove it in Triple A, but I believe the talent is there.

  • macpete22

    The Blue jays could be a great fit since 8 out of their top 10 prospects are pitchers. I don’t think the Cardinals would give up 2 of Wacha, Wong or Martinez in a deal but if they did, that would be pretty impossible to turn down if I were the Cubs

    • Ballrock20

      I don’t believe the Blue Jays have any interest in trading for Garza because they are 8.5 games out of the wild card. If after the All-Star break they win five in a row, I might think otherwise.

      • BluBlud

        Yeah, but at that point, Garza will probably already be gone.

  • http://www.bleachernation.com Salesguy

    If the buy low/rehab pieces are all that Texas is offering, you say pass, and tell them good luck when the list is released, and a main cog of your offense goes bye bye to suspension. To say they’re gonna need pitching is an understatement.

  • Harry Ramirez

    I think because the Cubs traded two good prospects for Garza many fans believe that the only way to win a Garza trade is if we get at least two or three B- prospects, but honestly, I prefer to get just one B+ pitching prospect, whether it’s Martin Perez, Trevor Bauer, Matt Barnes or Aaron Sanchez, I don’t really care, you can’t go wrong, but I just hope that it’s one of them (and when I hear the names Luis Sardinas and Neil Ramirez I get a bad feeling that’s indeed what the Rangers are offering and that is why the FO haven’t pulled the trigger yet).

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      For me, especially when considering the Cubs’ depth in the system, I would MUCH rather have one elite prospect for Garza than three good prospects.

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