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matt garza cubsThe All-Star Game has passed, but we’re still kinda-sorta in the All-Star break. Does the no-no about announcing trades extend through the break, or just until after the All-Star Game? Well, I can only offer you anecdotes, thanks to MLBTradeRumors’ handy Transaction Tracker: in 2012, the first trade after the All-Star Game came four days after the game, itself. In 2011, however, the Mets traded Francisco Rodriguez to the Brewers the day after the All-Star Game.

So, if that 2011 trade is instructive, yes, we could see something happen today. But keep those expectations tempered: there are still 14 days before the Trade Deadline, and five days before Matt Garza is due to start again.

  • The Red Sox might not be out of the Garza talks after all, according to Jon Heyman. Although we heard yesterday that the Red Sox weren’t interested, given the price, Heyman says he hears they might yet leap into things if Clay Buchholz is going to be out longer than expected. Heyman adds that sources tell him the Rangers will not include young lefty Martin Perez in a deal for Garza, as we also heard yesterday. The Diamondbacks, Heyman says, are an “interesting new entry” in the discussions, though they may prefer the multiple years of control offered by Jake Peavy. Since Peavy is working his way back from a broken rib (and could pitch again before the Deadline), the Diamondbacks may prefer to wait on Peavy before making a strong move on Garza. If that’s true, and if the Diamondbacks would otherwise be willing to make “the best” offer for Garza … well, you can see how these things end up taking time, even if everyone agrees that the Cubs should move Garza as soon as possible.
  • As recently as this weekend, the Blue Jays had been identified as a “frontrunner,” together with the Rangers, for Matt Garza. Given their lengthy decline, it would be surprising to see them go after a rental (even after an offseason binge designed to make them competitive in 2013), and GM Alex Anthopoulos said the same thing, as strongly as he could. Per the Score in Canada: “Some stuff that’s out there is completely fabricated. I guess what I can tell you is – speaking in general terms, of course – we have not had one discussion with a team about a starter. So, if people are reading names that are out there, that would be a 100% complete fabrication, in terms of us going after a starter right now. Doesn’t mean that if something came up a week from now, or something, that we wouldn’t be open to it, but right now we’re not engaged in or having any dialogue with respect to a starter.” Either AA is fudging his words a bit, or reports of the Blue Jays being involved with respect to Garza are flatly wrong. Note, however, that when AA says “completely fabricated,” he isn’t necessarily saying reporters are doing the fabrication. It could also be sources with agendas – and the possibilities there are almost too varied to speculate about.
  • Dave Kaplan spoke with Jeff Wilson of the Fort Worth Star Telegram about what the Rangers might be willing to give up for Matt Garza, and, no surprise, Jurickson Profar isn’t at all in the conversation. Wilson thinks Perez is also off limits, but points to Mike Olt as the possible main piece. Wilson’s attitude, generally, did not strike you as someone who believes the Rangers are all that convinced they absolutely need Garza. (Of course, that’s likely the message the Rangers front office is consistently putting out in the media in Dallas.)
  • Tim Dierkes had a Garza-heavy chat yesterday, and among the takeaways, his sense is that the Cubs’ return should fall somewhere between a Mike Olt and a Martin Perez. That feels right to me, with additional, complementary prospects sprinkled in as necessary.
  • Speaking of Olt as a Garza trade piece, I know that Olt would not be a popular center piece around these parts, but you’ll be interested to learn that a respected Rangers blog believes Olt would be too much to be the center piece in a Garza trade. Lone Star Ball is not nearly as down on Olt as outsiders seem to be, and is not nearly as high on Garza as the rumors connecting him to the Rangers seem to be. I think this is slightly a case of overvaluing-one’s-own-prospects, but it’s useful to know that the folks who follow Rangers prospects as closely as we follow Cubs prospects aren’t as fazed by his down 2013/eye issues as we might be. (That doesn’t mean they’re right – I just offer it as perspective.)
  • Further speaking of Olt (nothing like focusing too heavily on one trade partner and one prospect), he seems to believe he’s figured out his issues this year, thanks in part to some swing tips from Manny Ramirez (yes-that-Manny-Ramirez).
  • John

    Well my source in St louis says the cards are out of it for now. The Cubs are wanting Trevor Rosenthal and Kolten Wong in the package. He says Cards do not want to include Wong.

    • X the Cubs Fan

      Rosenthal for Garza straight up is good enough for me.

    • http://It'searly Mike F

      You’d have to see the names and others involved, but I think the contours of Wong and Rosenthal are fair for both teams, neither screwing the other. Garza despite some of the nonsense isn’t 3rd starter, he’s a significant arm and front of the rotation guy..

      The Cubs would have to trade Barney to open a slot of Wong, The Cubs too would have to decide is starter or a back of the rotation reliever. Sorry but if they think all the givens for a deal core of Wong and Rosenthal is too rich, they are sniffing glue, just fair, without seeing others involved to both clubs. Thats how good deals are fair and both teams have to be willing. The Cubs would be damn stupid to just ship Garza for castoff spare parts…..

  • Rebuilding

    My goodness… It’s fun to hear rumors or “inside information”. Keep the posts coming. If you think anyone in the Minnesota or KC front office knows what’s truly going on then ok. Take it for what it’s worth. People leak information, disinformation, strange stories, ghost stories. Who cares? Most people on this board can come up with a credible trade to 12 different teams (minus Skaggs and Bradley and Profar). You guys act like you’ve never been in high school

    • Jono

      Good call

  • Henson

    I think a Luis Sardinas, Luke Jackson, and Yohander Mendez would be a sweet package.

    • mudge

      It would have to be two Luis Sardinas’.

      • Henson

        That would be Rougned Odor. A package of those four gets it done for sure.

  • Stogie

    I just read an article on philly.com that reiterated that the Rangers are the favorities. It said that the Cubs say they are at least a year away from contending, so they’ll probably be willing to accept a package of not major league ready, or near major league ready players, as long as they have high ceilings.

    It’s bad enough that we are rebuilding, but let’s at least see that young talent. I’m sick of only acquiring guys that are at A ball level. It feels like Jed and Theo don’t wan’t to get better any time soon. If all we keep getting is A ball players, we’re looking at at least 3 more years of cellar dwelling.

    • Jono

      3 more years might be their plan. Not probable, but plausible.

    • mudge

      As long as the cellar has a high ceiling…

  • Assman22

    Cubs talking to 4 teams about their competitive balance picks…all 4 teams have their foot in the door in the Garza sweepstakes…crazy game of poker continues…

    • http://bleachernation.com someday…2015?

      Rockies, Indians, Dbacks, and Cardinals?

      • Assman22

        Rockies no, Pirates yes…Barney’s name has been mentioned multiple times…

        • X the Cubs Fan

          Barney??? That sounds like a perfect fit for the Royals and Orioles.

  • AlwaysNextYear

    Last I heard was a trade to the Dodgers for the right to A.C Slater and Zack Morris with Screech as a throw in. Slater seems like a decent catching prospect while Morris has a good curve and change up. I guess Screech can pass out peanuts or be a batboy.

    • CubsFaninMS

      We’ll pass on that trade, preppy.

  • Scott

    Zach Morris is was overraterd,

  • Rebuilding

    How dare you. Although Mario Lopez has had the better after career, unless you include Dustin Diamond’s (Screech) foray into porn

    • Henson

      Dude. Franklin and Bash.

      • Rebuilding

        Underrated

      • Rebuilding

        I mean Mario Lopez has been hosting Miss America pageants and sampling from the buffet

    • AlwaysNextYear

      Dude Preppy was the man. I wish I had that cell phone

      • Rebuilding

        You’ve caught me at a disadvantage. Tiffany Amber-Thiessen was my crush. I even liked when she put on a few pounds

        • AlwaysNextYear

          I strongly agree with this. Watching before school on TBS she was always mine until Pam really got popular then I switched.

          • Rebuilding

            Awwww… The beauty of fewer stations. I can remember when Channel 9 and Channel 13 really meant something (WGN and TBS). My Dad lived on St Thomas for a few years and everyone there is either a Cubs fan or a Braves fan. It started 90% Cubs because of Harry but became 50/50 because the Braves run of success. Simpler times…when I used to run home from school to catch the last 3 innings of the Cubs game…and then watch Dance Party USA (whaaaaat?)

            • AlwaysNextYear

              Ironic that my daughter asked what the heck is this referring to Full House I had to explain that it’s quality family television not like the crap on Disney where all the girls turn into skanks and drug addicts by the time they are 21. “Not in those exact words”.

              • Rebuilding

                Just tell her Stamos…that dude has had an incredible run. Or Olsen Twins…I never realized how much money they made off of those made for DVD Disney movies

              • Internet Random

                Family Ties was quality family television. Full House was a notch above Family Matters… but that’s not saying much.

                • Rebuilding

                  Good call. I think it’s hilarious that Alan Thicke’s son Robin is now all of the rage

                  • Internet Random

                    I try not to judge based on looks too much, but Thicke’s kid looks like a huge douchebag.

                    (You do know that Thicke was on Growing Pains, though, right? Michael Gross was the dad on Family Ties.)

                    • Rebuilding

                      You are correct. Loved some Kirk Cameron. Thicke’s son has blown up – every girl in Chicago ages 21-30 thinks he’s the hottest thing going

                  • HackAttack

                    Good grief. You guys need help.

                    • Rebuilding

                      With what? Old memories? I agree

                    • Rebuilding

                      By the way. Where was your contribution to the board at midnight? Do you have some breaking info or do you want to talk about One Direction?

              • AlwaysNextYear

                I blame myself for starting this figured a laugh was needed to break free for a second of the constant Garza trade talk lol. Damn you Saved by the bell references.

                • AlwaysNextYear

                  Family Ties was just before me.

                  • Internet Random

                    Then I’ll spare you the Facts of Life, Diff’rent Strokes, and Silver Spoons references.

                    Alan Thicke co-wrote the theme songs to Diff’rent Strokes and Facts of Life, while we’re on the subject. He also sang the Diff’rent Strokes theme.

                    • Rebuilding

                      Really? Did not know. Two of the most catchy theme songs ever. Only the Cheers theme and maybe MASH were better

                    • Internet Random

                      God, yes. Cheers, man. Great, great theme.

                      MASH too. You know that thing’s got lyrics? “Suicide is painless . . . .” yada, yada.

  • Stogie

    Read tonight the Red Sox want Villanueva. How bout Cecchini, Britton, Ranaudo for ‘em?

    • Stogie

      Garza and Villanueva, I mean.

    • Hawkeye

      How about we keep some major league talent and try to field a team in 2014.

    • Rebuilding

      You wouldn’t get Cecchini for Samardzija

      • Rebuilding

        Best case scenario is Villanueva + Russell/Gregg for one of their upside arms they like the least.

      • X The Cubs Fan

        Are you out of you’re mind? Shark would bring back Cecchini + say Henry Owens and a Brandon Workman.

        • Rebuilding

          Yes, I’m out of my mind. You overvalue Shark. He has never truly put it together and there is some question whether he will. Cecchini is one of the few untouchable prospects in baseball no matter what the “experts” tell you. You don’t teach a lefty hitting 3B, who plays good defense, with a 450 OBP, with the ability to add power. Stop just reading Baseball America and look a little deeper

          • Rebuilding

            My top 5 MLB ready prospects are/were: 1) Cecchini, 2) Brad Miller, 3) Carlos Martinez, 4) Rafael Montero and 5) Corey Dickerson. I guarantee you they will have more success than most of the current Top 10 – Boegarts and Bradley are right there too. And you have to include Buxton for potential. Look at what each player controls. Cecchini could hit 220 and be valuable, yet he’s hit 350 at every stop. Check out Brad Miller and Corey Dickerson sometime. Being able to differentiate between and strike and a ball or throw them has always been the most important thing

  • Stogie

    Why do they need him? He’s blocked by Boegarts, and/or Iglesias.

    • Rebuilding

      No one is blocked by Iglesias. Look at his minor league numbers (257/307/314 over 1000 ABs). Iglesias has caught one of those amazing hot streaks. Cecchini will be their starting 3b by Sept and will annually have an OBP over 400. This year as a 22 yo:

      A+: 350/469/547. OPS 1.016
      AA: 346/457/513. OPS .970

      Do you really think he’s blocked?

      • Rebuilding

        And does anyone seriously think we are getting him for Matt Garza or Carlos Villanueva? Baseball Reference is easy to find

      • AD

        Furthermore, just because someone may be blocked does not necessarily mean that you have to trade them for the first available player. Cecchini is still in AA so he can still accumulate value and be dealt in the right package. For example, a package for Stanton. So, while he may be traded in the future, being blocked does not necessarily justify moving him for a rental pitch of Garza’s caliber. Here’s to hoping, though!

  • Mason Asher

    I have a strong feeling that we are either going to be blown away by this trade or we are all going to riot to kick Theo out. Leta hope its the first.

    • baldtaxguy

      You are not out on a limb here. Narrow middle ground exists on trade reaction. The trade will be “hyperboled” based on pre-existing expectations and pre-existing views of FO. The reaction posts have already been drafted, just player and team names need to be inserted.

      • Mason Asher

        True. I just mean a huge trade in our favor like 3 top 10 prospects and a top 20. Or a terrible deal with a top 15 guy and 3 top 25s.

      • hansman1982

        Heck, I just have one template I use for everything the FO does:

        “ZOMG, THE GREATEST MOVE EVER AND ANOTHER PIECE OF THE 2014 WS CUBS!!!!!!!”

      • CubsFaninMS

        I have a strong feeling that our front office is going for quality over quantity on this one. I would expect two Top 5 prospects and one “high risk” type Top 20 of a deep organization, neither of the two Top 5 being super elite (Cecchini, Profar, Taillon).

  • arta

    sure!

  • Oswego chris

    The scouting stuff I found on Gonzalez does not make him sound like a potential ace…last year in Cuban league strikeout rate was like a 6.90…so he probably is not like some of the other Cuban guys…

    Trust the scouts that watched his workout I guess…six years of control would be nice…

  • Coop

    Where is my Garza news today?! Getting the shakes…

  • Die hard

    Any deal will likely be 3 team deal

    • Jp3

      When the hell was the last 3 way deal in baseball. And yeah I’m also getting the shakes

  • Sosa23

    I personally wouldn’t mind getting Bauer for garza

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