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matt garza cubsWith this morning’s Garza Watch post already loaded with comments and updates, I thought it might be useful to start a new post (especially considering the new information).

Today, Bruce Levine spoke to Matt Garza, who confirmed that he’s expecting to be traded. In a piece that you should definitely read, Levine quotes Garza: “They told my agent [earlier in the week] that they were going to move me. They said as much as they like me they need to add inventory for the future. I want to stay but that doesn’t seem possible now.”

Presumably, this came in part out of one-last-try negotiations on an extension. It would be understandable if Garza would prefer to test the market (he’s primed to get paaaaid), and understandable if the Cubs weren’t willing to commit full free agent market price at this time. Good on the Cubs for keeping Garza abreast of their plans. These are all people, you know.

Levine suggests that the Rangers, Indians, Blue Jays and Dodgers are or have been involved, with the Cubs seeking third baseman Lonnie Chisenhall in a deal from the Indians (with the Cubs sending back an infielder, potentially), and the Dodgers unwilling to part with their top two pitching prospects (presumably Zach Lee and Chris Reed or Julio Urias). All teams have been told to make their best and final offer.

We’ll see what ends up happening, but it sounds like a deal will happen before Garza’s scheduled start on Monday. It’s just a matter of finding the right trading partner to blink first.

UPDATE: Reports out of Boston – this one comes from Alex Speier – continue to say that the Red Sox feel comfortable with their starting pitching situation because Clay Buchholz will be back eventually, the other four in the rotation are doing all right, and there is a great deal of pitching depth at the upper levels of the minors. Posturing? Maybe. But Levine didn’t list the Red Sox, and they haven’t seemed like the strongest suitor at any point.

UPDATE 2 (11:43am CT): From Gerry Fraley out of Dallas, the Rangers’ offer is likely Mike Olt plus one of a group of young infield prospects (Fraley speculates Luis Sardinas, Leury Garcia, or Rougned Odor) plus a pitching prospect (Fraley mentions Neil Ramirez and C.J. Edwards). I’m just shooting from the hip here, but if the Cubs could get Olt, Edwards, and one of Odor or Sardinas … that’s looking like a mighty fine package to me.

UPDATE 3 (1:00pm CT): George Ofman chimes in to remind folks that this is not a done deal with the Rangers, and, yes, the Cubs are still working with other potential teams.

UPDATE 4 (1:02pm CT): A big one. Joe Davidson of the Sacramento Bee (who references Garza’s Freso connection, in case you’re wondering why someone in Sacramento would be reporting on this) says that a Cubs/Rangers deal is “99 percent done,” with the medicals now being evaluated. Davidson says there are six players involved, but that doesn’t mean it’s Garza for five players. It could be just about any combination. The medical step with Garza, who has had that stress reaction in his elbow, reportedly related to a screw that was placed there as a kid, isn’t totally perfunctory. In other words, the deal could be “99 percent done” and still kinda-sorta not be a “done deal,” if that makes sense. Not solely because of the medicals, mind you, but that’s a factor.

UPDATE 5 (1:13pm CT): Although he doesn’t yet know the other names involved, Davidson appears quite confident that Garza is going to Texas. Isn’t it funny how the last year has jaded us? Pre-Dempster Saga, we would all also be convinced that Garza to the Rangers was definitely happening, because obviously it’s happening. But now? You’re all probably feeling the way I do: yeah, seems likely he’ll go to the Rangers, and, yeah, seems likely it’ll be today or tomorrow. But nothing would surprise me anymore.

UPDATE 6 (1:38pm CT): Man, the ‘net is a wildfire of speculation about other Cubs’ names potentially being involved in this deal. It’s certainly possible that other Cubs will be in, but no big names have been reported anywhere. In other words, I’d be very, very surprised if Alfonso Soriano was suddenly in this deal (especially considering his no-trade rights) and we didn’t hear a peep about it. A lower-profile, or non-obvious trade target type? Sure. It’s possible.

UPDATE 7 (3:18pm CT): Jesse Rodgers says that we can expect to hear something on a Garza trade today or tomorrow (though he added a “?,” so there’s probably some speculation there).

UPDATE 8 (3:35pm CT): An ESPN report out of Dallas has Jim Bowden saying that Neil Ramirez has “emerged as the center piece” of a Garza deal. That would be pretty surprising given that the other names reportedly discussed – Mike Olt, C.J. Edwards, etc. – are generally thought to be better prospects. Might Ramirez be in the deal? Sure. Might he be an important piece? Sure. The “center piece”? Implying that the other pieces are far inferior? That would be a surprise.

UPDATE 9 (3:55pm CT): Garza is still with the Cubs in Colorado, doing his normal warm-ups, per Patrick Mooney.

UPDATE 10 (4:03pm CT): Gordon Wittenmyer has a Cubs source who says a mystery NL team could pop up and “intercept” Garza from the Rangers. If there was one thing this process was missing, it was a mystery team … (Pirates? Diamondbacks? Cardinals? Dodgers? They were the most frequently mentioned NL teams.)

UPDATE 11 (4:43pm CT): Jim Bowden tweets something that will probably be unpopular, but backs up UPDATE 8: “The Rangers – Cubs…Matt Garza deal will get done and Neil Ramirez will be center piece according to source.” If the deal truly ends up being Garza for Ramirez and then a lesser prospect or two, I would be surprised. I’ve said all along that I expected a return less than the Greinke deal last year, though – something more in the realm of a top 100 and then a couple top 15 organizational types – so you’re encouraged to keep expectations reasonable, however this plays out.

UPDATE 12 (4:46pm CT): BP’s Jason Parks expresses – in his unique, colorful way – disbelief about Ramirez being the “centerpiece” of a Garza deal: “Neil Ramirez might be in the Garza deal, but if he’s the centerpiece of the deal (which I doubt), the Cubs are getting [um, a bad deal].”

UPDATE 13 (4:53pm CT): Bowden reports that Ramirez has been scratched from his scheduled start tonight, which could be nothing, could be an injury, or could be holding him out in advance of a trade. We’ll dig into that one a bit.

UPDATE 14 (4:58pm CT): Hooray for conflicting reports (at least temporarily) – T.R. Sullivan says Ramirez is still in line to start tonight. Maybe he just hasn’t heard yet, or maybe Bowden jumped the gun.

UPDATE 15 (5:02pm CT): Bowden retracts and does a little mea culpa: “I am now being told that Neil Ramirez wasn’t scratched.Was given wrong information. My fault for not following up with 2nd source #apologies” Not that you needed another reminder after the last year, but: take the information, all of it, with a grain of salt. It’s interesting, it’s useful, it’s fun. But we live in an era where things happen quickly and mistakes are made. Try to stay calm throughout the process, and just enjoy.

UPDATE 16 (5:17pm CT): A report from Jeff Wilson (Star-Telegram) suggests (but does not state explicitly outright) that the deal on the table is Garza and an unidentified Cubs player for Olt, Ramirez, Edwards, and Luis Sardinas. If true, I’d expect the other Cubs piece to be something fairly good, as Sardinas is a legit prospect (good enough that you could argue he’s the best prospect in the deal … hard to say who the “centerpiece” is). That six player deal would comport with the original Joe Davidson report (UPDATE 4).

UPDATE 17 (6:14pm CT): Tim Brown tweets that the “final stage” of the deal has been reached, with the exchange of medical information having taken place. Joe Davidson’s original report included that bit, so it’s fair to guess that evaluating – and then discussing within the context of the trade – those medicals has taken some time. Neil Ramirez is still pitching (at last check), so, if he’s in the deal, we haven’t yet reached the stage of bro hugs.

  • DarthHater

    Heh. Garza tweeted a picture of Miss Piggy to Julie Di Caro. Now I want to keep the guy with the Cubs…

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      I couldn’t tell if that was a friendly jab (like, inside joke or something), or if it was a shot. I’m going to assume it was the former, because I don’t much care for it if it was the latter.

      • DarthHater

        Apparently, Julie had tweeted a picture of the muppet mad bomber as a look-alike to Garza. So it was friendly payback. Except, Julie apparently didn’t entirely care for being compared to a pig.

        • cubzfan

          Serves her right. She can dish it out but not take it.

          • DarthHater

            I find her Cubs-related tweets annoyingly snarky, but don’t know enough about her to have much of an opinion.

            • Edwin

              I used to have a lot of fun posting on her site awhile back, especially before it moved to Chicago Now, and then to her sports network thing or whatever. I used to post on LOHO all the time, it was a lot of fun.

              Julie always seemed like she could take a joke just fine.

        • MichiganGoat

          She appears to have kept a sense if humor about it from a tweet this morning.

      • http://www.shadowsofwrigley.com Tommy (TC)

        fwiw, they seemed fairly joke-y about it in the tweets after that

      • FullCountTommy

        What happened was she tweeted a picture the Muppets character The Mad Bomber saying it looked like Matt and that she’ll miss him. Garza fired back with the Miss Piggy and he seemed to be offended by her original tweet. She laughed it off, but it really appeared that Garza was serious, but you never know in a tweet haha

        • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

          Thanks, FCT. Much closer to the friendly joking side of things.

          • MichiganGoat

            Agreed she had mentioned it will be sad and funny if that’s her last exchange with Garza.

  • Justin

    Geeez can we just get this deal done? That way we can all start obsessing over the return we get rather than where he will go. Going to miss Garza a lot though. Hard to match his enthusiasm and positivity.

  • waittilthisyear

    any chance a dark horse appears in the garza sweepstakes?

    • Edwin

      Hopefully no white, red, or pale horses appear as well.

      • CubsFaninMS

        Hopefully no shetland pony either. I guess in prospect-talk, that would be the Angels or White Sox?

      • On The Farm

        I just hope if a guy shows up on a horse he isn’t headless.

        • On The Farm

          Unless he can throw the ball fast, then we could use him in our bullpen, it doesnt matter if he can’t see the zone, he would fit in with most of the other guys we have thrown out there this year.

    • Grant

      I’m hoping the Red Sox get involved since Buchholz is having some setbacks in his recovery and they’ve got some good pitching prospects (likely better than we’d get back from the Rangers).

    • MichiganGoat

      Maybe but now I know which beer I’ll drink tonight – Dark Horse Brewery’s Crooked Tree IPA out of Marshall, Michigan. Thanks for idea.

      • waittilthisyear

        thats a fine brew

  • Adam

    I can’t wait until we are buyers at the deadline so we can take all of our prospects off the table. Can’t believe the package that James Shields brought the Rays versus anyone we deal with always pulling prospects off the table.

  • Deacon

    Reading that the hold-up is the Cubs wanting Luke Jackson and the Rangers insisting on Neil Ramirez. If Olt and Edwards are locks, which I like, and know that the Cubs want pitching – why not try for Alfaro for behind the dish?? The lack of pitching depth is obvious in the system but so is the lack of options at catcher. Perhaps even a push for Sardinas? You stack the deck whenever you can.

  • matt

    i hate this

  • Jp3

    I’m sure I’m missing it but what’s so special about Lonnie Chisenhall? He’s also 24 and doesn’t have the pop Olt does… I’d just assume sticking with Valbuena at 3rd if that’s our best option.

  • Timmy

    BREAKING NEWS: the ricketts have decided to trade wrigley field for a dave and busters and are moving it out to rosemont in the parking lot of a chipotle

    • ChrisN324

      Burritos and games. Genius move by the Ricketts.
      Me gusta

      • Timmy

        actually that does sound amazing

    • On The Farm

      I know I am giving you exactly what you want by responding, but do you actually think your ‘breaking news’ bit is funny?

      • Timmy

        well, your response is funny

        • On The Farm

          To be honest usually I just ignore your posts, not that they make me angry, it just seems like you are trying too hard and it just makes me sad.

          • Timmy

            sounds like you’ve given a lot of emotional energy and soul searching to that ignoring

            • On The Farm

              No, I think it’s just because I lump you with the character Timmy from South Park and that’s where any sympathy actually comes from

              • Cyranojoe

                LMAO me too!

            • #23

              just go away Timmy. your posts are a waste of time.

              • Starlin Backer

                Careful. He’ll call you a racist like he did thr Ricketts fo no reason at all.

      • Cubman23

        I liked the TNG/Star Wars one!

    • DarthHater

      REAL BREAKING NEWS: Yankees Call Up Brent Lillibridge To Replace Derek Jeter

      http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-derek-jeter-yankees-brent-lillibridge-20130719,0,3407707.story

      • Timmy

        copycat

        • DarthHater

          Not at all. Unlike your breaking news, mine was not only true, but actually funny.

          • Timmy

            funny that the cubs let more talent go to a major team actually intent on winning. i agree.

            • DarthHater

              Right, parting with Brent’s astounding OPS of .083 will go down in history as one of baseball’s greatest blunders.

            • Cyranojoe

              Wow. Just… wow.

              I am now so sad that you opened my eyes to the debacle that was Lillibridge-gate. WHAT HAVE WE DONE?!!

          • Jp3

            I think someone calling Brent Lilly up to their team thinking he’s going to help them win us funny… People think the Yankees don’t want any part of ARod playing for them? Wait til they see Lillybridge play…

            • Starlin Backer

              They may extend A-Rod after watching Lillibridge play.

        • gocatsgo2003

          Except it’s, like, real.

  • funkster

    Quite honestly, if its Olt and only one of Jackson/Edwards I’ll be disappointed. Not real excited about an Olt return as anything other than a thrown in.

    • RoughRiider

      How about Olt, Jackson, Edwards & Payano for Garza & Sorriano and the Cubs pay all but 4 Million of his remaining contract.

      • CubsFaninMS

        I really like that deal. Finish our season off with Lake, Sweeney, and Scheirholtz in the outfield, Olt at third if he kills it in Iowa.

      • Starlin Backer

        Do it yesterday.

      • Rebuilding

        I would assume if that deal was on the table the deal would have already announced

    • Edwin

      I’d actually be ok with just a Garza for Olt straight up. Olt has been a great prospect for awhile now, and if he really has fixed his eye issues, then the Cubs would have managed to turn a possible 11 starts from Garza into a top 50 prospect. To me, it would be a good buy low situation like when the Cubs aquired Rizzo.

      Obviously If the Cubs can get more than just Olt, I’d love that, but I think Olt would be a solid return.

      • Brad Brewer

        Whaaaaaaat? Wow.

        • Edwin

          Yup.

          • funkster

            Except Olt still isn’t hitting even after the eye surgery.

            • hansman1982

              Yes, he is a 3B capable version of Brett Jackson…

    • Nate

      I know I pitching heavy deal would be great but this is a lot of talent coming back

  • North Side Irish

    Don’t see how a deal gets done today at this point…we all know Theo’s not working tonight.

    • gocatsgo2003

      I think it would be epic to close a deal with Pearl Jam blaring in the background.

      • Scott

        I wonder what song Theo would be listening to. Betterman?

        • Cubbie Blues

          Or, could be Release.

          • Cubbie Blues

            Off He Goes, would work as well. Or, hopefully Wishlist.

            • Stinky Pete

              I think right now we all need to just breathe.

              • DarthHater

                Not unless you stop being stinky.

                • Stinky Pete

                  Maybe when you stop hating. I’m living in the present tense.

                  • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

                    You guys are stealing my Bullets thunder.

                    • Cubbie Blues

                      We will try not to be so Dissident.

                    • Stinky Pete

                      Rats.

                    • Cubbie Blues

                      I really don’t like Bugs.

                  • DarthHater

                    [img]http://lh3.ggpht.com/_gXLJq-z63k8/TRP2pi751PI/AAAAAAAACs0/l9I6eXlUo8k/s800/vader-haters-gonna-hate.gif[/img]

                    • Cubbie Blues

                      Darth, you are always so Black.

                    • Internet Random

                      Racist.

                      (Hidden track.)

                    • Cubbie Blues

                      (I was thinking that when I typed mine out.)

          • Chris

            That was Marmol’s favorite song…”Release me…..”

        • Brent

          Not for you…for everyone who didn’t pony up enough to get him.

    • Bails17

      I’ll be at the concert tonight. I can track him down and give him my 2 cents worth!!

      • North Side Irish

        I’ll be there too…but I’m guessing Theo’s got better seats than either one of us.

  • Bilbo161

    Yea, what are the chances that all the teams really gave their best offer last night? I’m hoping Boston or Pittsburgh come in and overpay, though that kid Urias with the Dodgers is quite interesting. 16 years old and really doing well in full season ball.

  • CubsFaninMS

    Garza: You’re a great guy, competetive pitcher, and an excellent team presence. You will be missed, but there’s a good chance us Cub fans will have a very exciting prospect package in the midst of your departure. Good luck!

    • ETS

      Garza, I’d like to throw out there that if (when) you are traded, that does not mean you can’t sign with the Cubs at the end of the season. just sayin.

      • CubsFaninMS

        I have a strong feeling that that ship has sailed dude. He’s worth quite a bit more on the market at the end of the season. Someone will overpay for him just like someone is doing right now. You never know, though.

        • ETS

          Cubs could over pay. I mean they offered a fair amount to A Sanchez. I could see them offering slightly more than that to Garza.

          • DarthHater

            I suspect Garza’s demands in extension talks may have already significantly exceeded that.

            • Starlin Backer

              Maybe reality will hit and he will end up back here.

      • Cyranojoe

        Amen to that. You’re a great baller, and just the right amount and kind of crazy. :)

  • Timmy

    just for the record i think garza is a great pitcher and the cubs would have been much better off keeping him through his prime years than trading him for a gamble on a bunch of minor leaguers who might already be over the hill. he’s done a great job getting 17-20 year olds in the system with high upside, and really profoundly failed at putting together anything resembling a competitive team within the near future. losing garza is a loss for the team.

    • afinch

      You are correct. But losing Garza for absolutely nothing at the end of the year would be much worse. Have to strike while the iron’s hot.

      • Timmy

        i get that

        • afinch

          Just hope it really isn’t a bunch of minor leaguers whose best years are behind them.

    • BT

      Timmy, you already admitted that it takes 3 years for a rebuild to take hold, now you rip the Cubs for not showing progress in less than 2. Of course, originally your argument was that Theo/Jed would wait too long and Garza would get hurt, but now that this appears to not be the case, you’ve got to change the argument. I’m sure whatever they get back will be laughably bad in your eyes as well because you are a one trick pony. Theo/Jed suck in your world, so everything must be squeezed into that perspective.

      • Timmy

        you’ve read my posts impressively closely!

        • BT

          See Timmy, that’s the problem. I don’t have to read your posts closely. I can ignore 95 percent of them and not miss a thing, because they all say the same thing. I asked you the rebuild question, and you replied, and you have supplied the same Theo/Jed nonsense multiple times a day, every day, so any casual reader knows where you stand.

          • Timmy

            it’s called sticking to the message. even among the blaze of posts you know exactly where i stand on general management, the team, ownership, the community, and fan response. do you know the details about this for any other user here? maybe one or two others. it’s a success in branding.

            • BT

              It’s narrow minded repetition. You start with a conclusion, then you figure out how to get there.

    • gocatsgo2003

      You can see into the future?

      • DarthHater

        He’s a regular Nostradumass.

        • D.G.Lang

          I agree!!!!!!

  • Paul

    I don’t see Olt being anything more than a Brett Jackson who strikes out 30% of his at-bats rather than 50%. And that’s against minor league pitching… ugh.

    • CubsFaninMS

      The power comparison between Olt and Jackson is..well.. incomparable. Jackson has no real potential plus attributes in the MLB, whereas Olt’s power and defense have that chance, although risky.

  • rbreeze

    Any team but the Dodgers! Screw them!

  • Cub Fan in Hickory(Mike S)

    I havent read anything on here from anyone about the possibility that, with the Cubs wanting to extend Garza and Garza wanting to stay here, he signs back with us in the offseason. I thought this may have happened with Dempster last year before he burned his bridge back. But would that be too hard to imagine?

    • Rebuilding

      Plenty of talk about it. Rarely, if ever, happens, but not impossible

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  • itzscott

    http://rangersblog.dallasnews.com/2013/07/texas-rangers-target-garza-hopes-to-remain-with-cubs.html/

    Dallas newspaper writing that it could be Olt, Sardinas and Edwards.

    I think I’d be happy with that.

    • afinch

      Only one pitcher in return though?

    • Adam

      It doesn’t say that anywhere, and that wouldn’t be much of a return.

      • itzscott

        Adam…. Ever hear of Evelyn Woods?

        “The lower-level minor leaguers are to be determined.
        One could come from the Rangers’ glut of middle infielders. That group includes Leury Garcia, Luis Sardinas and Rougned Odor.
        The other would be a pitcher. The top candidates are right-handers: Neil Ramirez, with Double-A Frisco and C.J. Edwards with low Class A Hickory.”

      • Cyranojoe

        The hell do you want for a rental?

        That said, I’d like two impact-potential pitchers, but you take the talent you can get.

    • Boba Fett

      Hey itzscott where did it say in the article that it was sardinas? It’s listed three middle infielders. Stop speculating

  • Paul

    I’m not too keen on the wording “they need to add inventory for the future”. I want to see at least a .500 team next year that’s still in the hunt for a playoff birth in August. We’ve got a lot of top prospects, but most are only in A ball. History shows that less than 10% of those guys will ever be an impact MLB player.

    • Cubman23

      I’m not sure where you got 10% from. High level prospects have a pretty decent shot at becoming impact players. Here’s an interesting analysis:

      http://www.royalsreview.com/2011/2/14/1992424/success-and-failure-rates-of-top-mlb-prospects

      The methodology seems solid. If his numbers are accurate, then our top 3 (not including Bryant in here yet) have a nearly 50% chance of having a WAR of 2 and a very good chance of at least one becoming an impact player.

      • Paul

        The 10 year top 100 prospect list does not give an accurate figure in my opinion. Over 10 years, you could actually have years where only 1 or 2 prospects were sampled. When he breaks it down into 4 year periods, the success and impact rate drops significantly to around 30% successful and about 16% superior. I believe if you broke the same analysis down to a year by year ranking, the impact would drop even further. Several of the top 20 prospects in a given year could be out of baseball entirely within the next couple of years, therefore being left out of a 10 year comprehensive list.

    • willis

      You won’t see a .500 team next season. The major league club continues to take steps backwards, and this move is another one. There is enough talent in the minors that some day, some will pan out and be good players. But not all, and that some day is probably 3 or so years away.

      Sp prepare for another lost season, 5 in a row for this organization.

      • Cubman23

        You’re assuming that the Cubs will hold onto all of their prospects and develop them all the way to the bigs, when that’s actually quite unlikely. Is it not also possible that this year or next they trade some of these prospects for MLB ready or close-to MLB ready talent?

        I get the fear of the unknown, but let’s not go totally chicken little here.

        • willis

          I’m a huge Garza guy, along with my cubs obsession, so this move sucks for me and I am a little tilted from the jump. I really wanted him to stay with the club and help with this rebuild. He seems like a piece that would be perfect for it. Obviously his asking price wasn’t going to be met, and we’ll never know what it was.

          I do get the argument about flipping these minor league assets for MLB ready talent some day. But we haven’t seen that as of yet so expecting it to happen isn’t something I’m going to do.

          Let’s hope this trade works out, but for the immeidate future, rest of this year, next and into 2015, it only makes this team at this point worse. What they do with all these “assets”…like you said it’s possible they use them for major league talent.

          • King Jeff

            I’m with you man. I love me some Garza and really wish that they could work out an extension. That said, subjectively speaking, this is probably the right move if they haven’t been able to get a reasonable extension done at this point. Garza seems like he really wants to test free agency, and the Cubs have to get back more value than a compensation pick.

          • Cubman23

            I hear ya Willis. At this point we have to trust the FO, but that’s not easy to do given the number of times the fans have been screwed by the execs in the past. They seem competent and have a plan in place. I’m lucky to be such a huge Blackhawks fan – I think their cup victory has satiated me for a while so I’m not so despondent about the Cubs.

      • bbmoney

        Call me crazy, I think the Cubs could have a pretty decent shot at .500 next year. And I know Castro and to a lesser extent Rizzo have struggled this year, but I have a hard time classifying this year as a step back from our 61-101 campaign last year (need to go 19-50 the rest of the way to match that….way worse than the Astros are even playing now).

        Plus, I still believe in Castro and Rizzo. I know I seem to be one of the few fans still all in on Castro, just too much talent.

        • YourResidentJag

          So what FAs are they going to sign to get there? Because they will definitely need FAs if the top piece in this trade could very well be a class A SP.

  • Timmy

    BREAKING NEWS: Matt Garza traded for Rob Deer in a strikeout of a deal

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      This will be the last one of these fake, unfunny “BREAKING NEWS” comments. I’m quite serious.

      • Arrieta’sUncle

        Thanks Brett!

      • Timmy

        it was a good run

        • Cubbie Blues

          It really wasn’t.

        • Kyle

          No, it wasn’t.

      • Crockett

        Thanks be to Brett!

      • itzscott

        Why wait to pull the trigger when you have a clear shot like right now?

      • frank

        Thank you!

      • Drew7

        That good feeling Brett had about Timmy? Turns out it was just gas.

      • D.G.Lang

        My mother thanks you, my father thanks you, I thank you, and the vast majority of those posting here thank you.

        • Timmy

          to quoth stringer bell: “well get on with it…!”

          • King Jeff

            Eh, I think quoting “The Wire” may just earn you a stay of execution.

  • Jp3

    BREAKING NEWS: timmeh??!?!? Traded to Texas for urinal freshener and scrub brush…. We held out until they included scrub brush… An absolute steal… Hehe

    • Timmy

      excellent :D

    • D.G.Lang

      The urinal freshener along would be more than enough.

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  • willis

    That quote from Garza makes me sick. He wants the cubs, and they like him, but they need more inventory for the future.

    Prepare to suck for many more years guys. That quote says it all. Keeping Garza is the best thing, throwing him out for some maybe prospects is a mistake. Unfortunately it’s coming so hopefully one of these three do something at the major league level, but none will match what Garza brings.

    It’s a shame, because having him through his next few years could have gone a long way towards continuing this build. Now, we wait a few more years as fans until maybe there is a decent team on the field.

    • DarthHater

      It all depends on how much Garza is demanding for an extension – a crucial piece of info that we do not possess. If his demand is unreasonable, then we are not going to (and should not) keep him. in that case, trading him is the only sensible thing to do.

      • frank

        True–I’d also heard he’s insisting on a no trade clause. Has anyone else heard that?

        • King Jeff

          The only thing I saw was that he was asking for 5/80, and possibly 5/90 on an extension from other clubs. I think that’s too much, but it’s only more speculation at this point.

        • Cyranojoe

          I’d heard that about the NTC as well. Love you Garz, but no thanks. Maybe a limited NTC, but no full NTCs ever again. Unless we’re getting the unquestioned reincarnation of Ted Williams or Babe Ruth, maybe…

          • Tim

            I agree on the no trade clause, but I do think he is valuable to the Cubs at 5/80mil. My ceiling for him originally was 5/75, but if 5/80 gets it done I would have done that.

            I know it’s not likely, BUT when Levine talked to Garza today Garza said, “I don’t think this team is far off from contending.” If he loves it here like he claims maybe there is a possibility that he resigns with us in the off-season.

            • Cyranojoe

              Yeah, that’s fine money for him, and if that gets it done along with a limited NTC, I’d hope we see it happen when he goes free agent.

    • Rebuilding

      If its true he is asking potential trading partners for 5/90 then you have to say thanks and move on

      • willis

        I can see that on the open market, and yes that’s probably a touch too high. But, I also think as much as he loves Chicago and this team, that he would have given a slight discount to stay. Nothing much, but maybe 5/$80 or so.

        As Darth said we don’t know what the exact negotiations were and where they went. It’s a shame there wasn’t an agreement, but I’m guessing the cubs’ side didn’t come close to what he wanted and were destined all along to turn him into what they view as long term assets. JMO.

        • Rebuilding

          It’s very possible he might get it, I just hope we aren’t the team to do it. It’s not so much the money, but the years. The last thing I want to be talking about in 2018 is a 36 yo Garza, making $18 mil, making rehab starts

        • DarthHater

          You’re guessing negatively, cuz you’re a negative Nancy, though. ;-)

          • willis

            Damn right I am. There is no other way! :)

            I’m just sick of all the losing, and when I see a piece that can help the team win, when it’s ready to do so, be shipped out for prospects who have proven nothing and may not result in any semblence of major league talent, it makes me a little ill.

            I’m just ready for things to take place that actually help the team at this level. Eventually they have to start looking at the assets they have, and instead of comparing them to 2 or 3 maybes, use that asset to build the big club. Garza isn’t old and has great stuff. Losing him is a loss for this organization.

    • Cubman23

      I think it’s a false argument to say that “inventory for the future” means they’re giving up on winning for many years. The FO believes that Garza’s greatest value to the team is trading him for prospects. The Cubs could keep and develop them or flip them for MLB-ready assets too.

      Also, there are plenty of instances of a team and player liking each other and wanting it to work out, but it not making business sense on one or both ends. In this case, it sounds like Garza wants a NTC and the Cubs want more flexibility.

  • Cheryl

    Will the trade with Texas take place? It seems like their not so hot to get Garza after all. The
    cubs should take a look elsewhere – maybe Cleveland.

  • Timmy

    BREAKING NEWS: Brett bans Timmy! ::bows:: goodnight folks!

    • EvenBetterNewsV2.0

      Idiot.

    • Cubbie Blues

      [img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/77510188/BanHammer.gif[/img]

      • Timmy

        its ok, i deserve it

        • Cubbie Blues

          Yes, yes you do.

          • MichiganGoat

            Trolls never go away… He’ll be back as BetterTimmy

    • DarthHater

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  • EvenBetterNewsV2.0

    Off topic, but exciting to say the least. For those around the Fort Wayne area, if you didn’t know Mark Appel is making his first start tonight. Carlos Correa and him will be playing. You can get tickets less than $12 (Best tix are $36, then next tier down is $12). Diehard Cubs fan, but I am excited to witness that. I didn’t even know about until someone told me, and I live here. So, figured I would share that.

  • When the Music’s Over

    ” I’m just shooting from the hip here, but if the Cubs could get Olt, Edwards, and one of Odor or Sardinas … that’s looking like a mighty fine package to me.”

    Just curious why you think that would be good.

    I understand prospects are fungible for many reasons and you try to get what you can when you can, but you are get getting Olt, a near 25 year old 3B smoked in AAA and a very similar comp to Brett Jackson, who people are beyond soured on by this point, a projected # 4/5 starter, something this organization (and almost every other organization) has in spades across their minor leagues, and one of two very young level middle infield prospects, another thing this organization is deep in.

    Is it all a matter of one of the two middle infielders because the other two slow squarely in the meh category for me. Especially Olt, because if I am to be meh on Jackson, I almost have to be with Olt as well.

    • When the Music’s Over

      *fall squarely….

    • jeff1969

      I think the condemning of Olt is a bit much. He doesn’t have quite the track record that Jackson has and has always been considered a better prospect than Jackson. Think of it like this, would anyone trade Olt for Jackson straight up? I don’t think so. Edwards might be projected as a 4 or 5 (though I have not seen that prediction anywhere), but none of the Cubs projected 4 or 5 guys have put up the numbers that Edwards has in his short career. Hendricks who came in the Dempster deal, a minor league all star this year, doesn’t have the Edwards numbers, but he is a guy who has been called a 4th or 5th type. Again, you intentionally way undersell him to strengthen your argument. Sardinas is an excellent SS/2B prospect. MLB has him Texas’ 3rd ranked prospect, and he has put up excellent numbers this year. Texas papers just talked about hi being the next Elvis Andrus. That would be ok for me if he even came close to that. Some fans just never get how this all works though: if the percentages of who makes it & who doesn’t are what they are reported they are, the 10% number is one I always hear, then you don’t increase your chances of success by giving yourself fewer chances, i.e. players.

      • When the Music’s Over

        Olt: I just can’t get behind a guy at his age struggling as badly as he has at AAA.

        Edwards: I wasn’t the one who called him a backend starter. Jason Parks from BP did. I tend to take credence in his opinions on prospects.

        Middle Infielders: They have really sexy numbers, but are so young at young levels, and are at positions of strength within the Cubs organization (not that that is a big problem).

  • jeff1969

    Olt, Sardinas, & Edwards would be a solid return for Garza. What are the chances the Cubs send another player in the deal and get a guy like Ramirez thrown in? Maybe Schierholz? Or could Brett Jackson being included coax a Ramirez (not Manny though) out of the Rangers?

  • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

    Edwards + Sardinas/Odor is a good deal. Olt becomes essentially a lottery ticket at that point.

    I’d prefer Odor to Sardinas, if only slightly.

    • cubspong

      Just curious, why would you prefer Odor to Sardinas? Is it the better hit tool?

      • Lou Brown

        I think Odor has a little more pop, also a year younger. But Sardinas plays a premium position. I prefer Odor, but would be happy with either.

    • When the Music’s Over

      At that age and at that level, people that are paid money to scout and evaluate talent should have a very good idea if this guy is a lottery ticket or not.

      • jeff1969

        Wow dude, get over yourself. All prospects are lottery tickets. Nobody needs you trying to a smart aleck. Can the music be over now? Please?

        • Rebuilding

          Not sure what you took as smart aleck in Luke’s post? I didn’t read it that way and he’s right

          • When the Music’s Over

            Jeff from 1969 really likes Mike Olt. I don’t. He’s taking it personal. I’m not.

            Simple as that.

            • hansman1982

              Well, if he’s from 1969, he’s still pumped Apollo 11 just entered Lunar orbit and Olt’s flaws have yet to be discovered.

              • MichiganGoat

                1969 is a sensitive year

        • When the Music’s Over

          You’re so smart, and I just love the snarky attitude. Goes a long way.

        • Rebuilding

          Whoops…nevermind

    • King Jeff

      Odor is interesting, wouldn’t mind if he was in the trade at all.

  • Nedskid

    That’s what she said

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