matt garza cubsHere we go …

Ken Rosenthal reports that Matt Garza will not make his start tonight for the Chicago Cubs as expected. Instead, sources tell him, a deal with the Rangers is “near.” That’s is for details so far, but I expect this to develop in the next few hours.

In case you missed it, the Cubs nearly completed a trade involving Garza on Friday. Although you had to do some dot-connecting to get there, it appeared that the package was Garza and another Cub (possibly James Russell) for third base prospect Mike Olt, infield prospect Luis Sardinas, and pitching prospects C.J. Edwards and Neil Ramirez. A medical issue caught the Cubs’ eye after the exchange of records, and the deal was temporarily held up.

We’ll see if the ultimate package – assuming this deal with the Rangers actually goes down now – is similar.

UPDATE: Jon Heyman also reports that Garza has been scratched for tonight, and a deal with the Rangers is close.

UPDATE 2 (3:59pm CT): Jerry Crasnick isn’t quite hearing the same thing as Heyman and Rosenthal, instead saying only that the talks between the Cubs and Rangers have picked back up. He adds that another involved club tells him that the Rangers are making “another big push” to get a deal done.

UPDATE 3 (4:03pm CT): Oh my – Jeff Passan, who initially reported the “snag” on Friday night, now reports that Garza is going to the Rangers.

UPDATE 4 (4:04pm CT): Buster Olney says a deal with Texas is “close.” They were the “most motivated.”

UPDATE 5 (4:04pm CT): Mike Olt is in the deal, per Jeff Passan.

UPDATE 6 (4:06pm CT): Dave Kaplan says the deal is “being finalized,” but not quite done.

UPDATE 7 (4:07pm CT): Jeff Wilson reports that young Rangers reliever Joe Ortiz could be involved. He’s already having success at the big league level at 22, so it’s fair to wonder if he’s been substituted into the deal, given the Cubs’ concerns about Neil Ramirez (again, per Wilson). Wilson says the Rangers did have health concerns about Garza, for whatever that’s worth.

UPDATE 8 (4:10pm CT): Rosenthal reports that it’s Garza for Olt, C.J. Edwards, and a third player.

UPDATE 9 (4:11pm CT): Passan says it’s actually Olt, Edwards, a third player, AND a player to be named later. Evan Grant reports that he’s heard two versions of the package, with one being Olt/Edwards/Ramirez, and one being Olt/Edwards/Rougned Odor (a very good second base prospects at the lower levels).

UPDATE 10 (4:13pm CT): Kaplan says it’s a done deal, and Garza is a Ranger.

UPDATE 11 (4:16pm CT): Jon Heyman says the deal is done pending medicals, and we know how that can go. Unless the replacement piece has any issues, this is going to happen.

UPDATE 12 (4:23pm CT): Although the Cubs aren’t yet ready to announce the deal, they have identified Chris Rusin as tonight’s starter, according to multiple reports.

UPDATE 13 (4:25pm CT): Jeff Passan reports that the final package includes Major League starter Justin Grimm, making it Garza for Olt/Edwards/Grimm and a PTBNL. If so, that’s a hell of a nice haul (albeit a slightly flawed one) for Garza.

UPDATE 14 (4:27pm CT): Grimm, 24, hasn’t had big league success yet, but he’s the same age as Neil Ramirez and already in the bigs (minor league track record is short and decent for Grimm). That’s a nice substitution right there (I’m assuming that Sardinas was dropped because the “other Cub” was dropped).

UPDATE 15 (4:30pm CT): Passan says it was the A’s involvement that spurred the Rangers to “up the ante,” meaning that those involved believed Grimm is an upgrade from Ramirez. I think I’d agree.

UPDATE 16 (4:34pm CT): Gordon Wittenmyer reports that the PTBNL list *includes* Neil Ramirez. If true, this deal is a huge, huge haul for the Cubs. No one else has said anything about the caliber of players on the PTBNL list, or if it’s contingent on anything (like Justin Grimm’s current forearm soreness becoming something more serious).

UPDATE 17 (4:41pm CT): This might be the last update until this thing goes official. When that happens, and some dust settles, I’ll have more on the prospects involved, and an overall evaluation of the trade. Right now, gut says: very solid return for Garza, and just about what I’d expected all along (top 100ish prospect (Olt), and two organizational top 15s (Grimm and Edwards (yes, I know it’s debatable how high up they are – Edwards is borderline top 100 at this point, and Grimm no longer is technically a prospect)). If that PTBNL ends up being someone like Ramirez, then it goes from solid return to oh-wow-seriously-well-done-borderline-squeal.

  • X the Cubs Fan

    Joe Davidson ‏@SacBee_JoeD 3m
    Can confirm that Matt Garza, he of deep Fresno roots, is headed to Texas. Took a few days, but the “99-percent” turned into 100-percent

  • Cubbies4Life

    I-Cubs website still showing Rusin as the starting pitcher, but I doubt that’s up-to-the-minute info. I’m not loving the Garza trade. Maybe I’ve read too many of those “104 Reasons” to be optimistic about the return?

  • North Side Irish

    Jeff Wilson ‏@JeffWilson_FWST 1m
    #Rangers had medical concerns on Matt Garza, who started year on DL. #Cubs on Neil Ramirez, whose shoulder was sore after shooting arrows.

    • Jp3

      What???? I’ll see who the 3rd player is before I say wtf. Seems like this is less? No?

  • Otsum11

    Per Ken Rosenthal ‏

    @Ken_Rosenthal 7s

    Source: #Cubs will acquire Triple A IF Mike Olt, Single A RHP C.J. Edwards and a third player from #Rangers for Garza.

    • nkniacc13


    • DReese

      Come on Jackson

    • North Side Irish

      Evan Grant ‏@Evan_P_Grant 30s
      I’ve heard 2 version of Cubs-Rangers deal: One with Olt, Edwards and Rougned Odor. Another with Neil Ramirez substituted for Odor.

  • On The Farm

    So if Olt is in for sure and there is better quality: Olt, Perez, Edwards?

    • Rebuilding

      That’s what I’m thinking/hoping. I just don’t see them moving Garza unless there is a major league ready arm involved

  • LWeb23

    Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 36s

    Source: #Cubs will acquire Triple A IF Mike Olt, Single A RHP C.J. Edwards and a third player from #Rangers for Garza.

  • nkniacc13

    gotta think that with Olt in this deal that either him, Valbuena or Barney get moved by july 31

    • Mr. B. Patient

      Gotta think it’s not Olt. I feel we would be selling low on him. I say start him at 3rd as soon as you can (sorry Valbuena) and hope he can hit with enough power to offset his strike outs.
      If he plays well enough to be the bridge to Bryant/Baez, he’d have a lot more value in 2015.

  • Jp3

    Do we have to swap medicals again?…. See if there are anymore hang ups

    • YourResidentJag


  • Bryan

    Is there a player on the big league roster that we can get another top 100 prospect? i mean i think soriano could just wondering.

  • Timothy Scarbrough

    They kept the lid on it until the last minute this time around.

  • Leroy K.

    yahoo reporting Olt involved

  • LWeb23

    I now feel like it’s only Garza leaving by himself if the Cubs are only getting 3 players

    • nkniacc13

      Maybe but that lets the Cubs move others like Russell in a deal with maybe Atl?

  • Joey

    Jeff Wilson
    #Rangers, Cubs never quit talking Matt Garza. Deal just needed to be refined. Here’s a name that could be involved: Joseph Ortiz. Seriously.

  • X the Cubs Fan

    There were medical concerns on Garza??
    Jeff Wilson ‏@JeffWilson_FWST 3m
    #Rangers had medical concerns on Matt Garza, who started year on DL. #Cubs on Neil Ramirez, whose shoulder was sore after shooting arrows.

  • Sam

    Olt Edwards and a third player for garza

  • zack

    CJ Edwards is put of the deal according to ken Rosenthal and a third player

  • rbreeze

    I wish Matt Garza well! He is in a penant race on a good team! God bless him! I hope one of our new guys becomes a star!

  • X the Cubs Fan

    Jeff Passan ‏@JeffPassan 1m
    Source: Final deal will be Matt Garza for three players as well as a player to be named later. 3B Mike Olt confirmed as one player.

    • LWeb23

      So we do end up getting 4 players. Alright. Not to mention the ‘better quality’ report. Im liking how this is shaping up

  • aCubsFan

    Another report said better quality less players.

  • Kyle

    So who is the cubs 3rd baseman in 5 years. Lake, Baez, Bryant, Castro, Candelario, Villanueva, Vitters, or Olt.

    • Voice of Reason

      Gary Scott, Jr. will be the Cub third baseman in 5 years.

    • Stinky Pete

      Never count out the “Mystery thirdbaseman”.

    • Mr. B. Patient

      Good question. I’d say his last name starts with a ‘B’.

    • Nick


    • THEOlogical

      Kyle, did you see Olt on the Cubs 5 yrs ago? Or Candelario, Lake or Bryant? Or any of them? Come on man, 5 yrs is too far off.

    • jpeck

      My guess is Olt. Bryant will be in the OF

  • X the Cubs Fan

    Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 5m
    Source: #Cubs will acquire Triple A IF Mike Olt, Single A RHP C.J. Edwards and a third player from #Rangers for Garza.

  • zack

    Its a done deal

  • North Side Irish

    Evan Grant ‏@Evan_P_Grant 30s
    I’ve heard 2 version of Cubs-Rangers deal: One with Olt, Edwards and Rougned Odor. Another with Neil Ramirez substituted for Odor.

    I like the first version better…

    • Jp3

      I’m liking Odor in the deal hopefully.

  • Rcleven

    Jeff Passan ‏@JeffPassan 3m

    Pitcher C.J. Edwards confirmed as another player, as @Ken_Rosenthal reported. So it’s Garza for Olt, Edwards, one unconfirmed player, PTBNL.

  • North Side Irish

    Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS 44s
    there’s agreement on players in garza deal now. might be as much as a 4 for 1. #cubs #rangers

    More coming?

  • RD

    I bet the Cubs package Soriano and Olt to the Yankees eventually…

  • willis

    Maybe they can work on Olt’s swing and fix him like they did Castro and Brett Jackson…wait a minute.

    Don’t like the deal so far. A struggling 3B and a pitcher we won’t see, for 3-4 years at least if he ever makes it, plus something else for a #2 starter. Nicely done. (pukes)

    • caryatid62

      Yay for overreaction and ignorant negativity.

      • willis

        Where did I overreact? I said I don’t like the deal so far and said why.

        I think trading Garza is a huge mistake. How is that ignorant? Yes I’m negative about this trade because I think it sucks to lose him. If that makes me ignorant, well then I guess I’m a dumbass.

        • caryatid62

          It’s ignorant because you know absolutely nothing about these prospects. That’s the very definition of ignorance.

          • Kyle

            That is factually incorrect. Of course he knows things about the prospects. He already referenced some details about Olt.

            • willis

              Here’s one more thing I know, with his frame there’s a good chance Edwards is more of a power reliever than a starter if he ever reaches the big league level.

              But I’m ignorant.

          • willis

            How do you know that I know nothing about these prospects? Hell Olt has been on the cubs’ radar for a very long time, so yes I follow his progress (or in his case, lack thereof). I know enough to know the cubs got worse tonight.

            Blindly claiming I know nothing about any of these guys coming back, isn’t that just as ignorant since you don’t have a clue what I know?

    • Chris

      To clarify, it would be Olt, Edwards, etc. etc. for 2 months of a #3 starter.
      Will the Cubs do more with that 2-months of a #3 starter than they might with the package of prospects they got for him?

    • Hansman1982

      Umm, Castro has bounced back and you just hope that Texas had some teams who were interested in Olt that the Cubs can spin him to.

      For 10-12 starts of Garza (especially when you factor the Cubs could agree on an extension for him) this isn’t a bad package.

      • willis

        Castro is looking better, but I don’t know if he’s bounced back yet. He’s still fighting a lot at the plate and his stats are still way down from what we are used to. We’ll see. I hope like hell he bounces back.

  • http://odu Greenroom

    Please, please include Sardinas. thank you

    • jpeck

      I want Rougned Odor

  • Benjamin

    If it’s really Olt, Edwards, and a PTBNL, I don’t like this at all.

    • On The Farm

      Its PTBNL because they haven’t announced it I think

      • cubchymyst

        PTBNL could be dependent on how Garza performs.

    • JOE

      I believe the report was Olt, Edwards, one other player, AND a PTBNL…. not sure if it’ll sway your opinion of the deal any, though.

    • http://odu Greenroom
      • Corey

        Dat ERA.

      • Jason

        122 strikeouts and 34 walks this year…and if those stats are correct, he hasn’t yielded any home runs in his minor league career…me likes that guy so far!

    • kmr1453

      It’s Olt, Edwards, a player and a PTBNL (4 for 1)

  • Corey

    So, odds Garza comes back in Free agency?

    I’d love that.

    • willis


      • Corey

        why not?

        • Noah

          They’re above zero, but slim. First, the Rangers will have an incentive to attempt to re-sign him since they get no compensation. Second, Garza’s initial free agent asking price is likely to be in the 5 years/$90 million range, with the goal to get Anibel Sanchez money. If the real bidding occurs at 5 years/$75 million to 5 years/$80 million, where do the Cubs get involved? If he starts dropping to 4 years/$60 million, that would be a different story, but I just don’t think that happens.

          • Corey

            I’m in the mind that Garza actually likes Chicago. This might not be entirely true, but that’s where my thinking lies. I could see him taking a “hometown” discount with a 5 year/70 million next offseason. All depends though.

            • willis

              The Cubs won’t come close to what he wants or even what he is worth. They are playing everything much tighter than we are used to, including this. That’s the biggest problem. They wouldn’t even get in the derby most likely. They are trying to build without dropping huge money (Ejax being the one odd exception) so there is no way they pay him. Hell they had him right there wanting to stay and they wouldn’t come close to his wants/demands. So they were insistent on trading him for whatever they could get and now the pitching problem in the organization, which was already an issue, is worse.