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Jed HoyerAs referenced in this morning’s stream of updates to the overnight report from the New York Post that the Cubs and Yankees were “close” to completing a trade that would send Alfonso Soriano to the Yankees, Cubs GM Jed Hoyer was on MLBN Radio this morning and addressed the rumor directly.

“We’ve had discussions with different teams about [Soriano], but there’s nothing close at all,” Hoyer told Mike Ferrin and Jim Duquette. “That’s one of those rumors you wake up to and you’re like, ‘Oh, that’s interesting, I didn’t know we’d done that.’ [Talks] aren’t as advanced as those reports make it seem.”

Hoyer probably wouldn’t tell the world even if the Cubs were close a trade involving Soriano – it’s not really in the Cubs’ interest to do so – but, for now, we’ve got to take him at his word. Discussions are likely ongoing, and a deal could theoretically be struck at any moment, but we may not need to be on pins and needles on this one.

Hoyer added that he was conducting the interview from the airport, where he was waiting for his flight to Arizona to join the team. He indicated, when asked about whether he’s talked to Soriano about any deals specifically or generally (Soriano has no-trade rights), that he would probably talk to Soriano once he got to Arizona. That certainly makes you think that, whether it’s this Yankees deal or something else, the Cubs do feel like trading Soriano is going to be a near-term possibility.

Hopefully, more teams than just the Yankees are involved, giving the Cubs a variety of options. Soriano has been as hot as any player in baseball for the last few weeks, so it would be unsurprising – assuming the Cubs eat salary – to find that a few teams are interested in adding his bat.

UPDATE (1:25pm CT): I don’t necessarily expect to be doing rolling updates on this for the rest of the day, but Joel Sherman shared a bit, so I’ll at least do one update … according to Sherman, one player in whom the Cubs have previously expressed interest is infielder David Adams. He’s got an unusual story, being that he’s already 26 and is at AAA for the first time. As a college draftee, he got a late start, and then missed time in 2010 and 2011 with a serious ankle injury. He then missed time in 2012 with back spasms, but made up for it a bit in the Arizona Fall League. He was a roster casualty in early 2013 (Vernon Wells – the Yankees preferred to have Vernon Wells on the 40-man roster), so he’s already been derostered once. On the upside, he has pretty much always hit when healthy, especially for a guy who can play second base. But this is a fringe roster guy, not a prospect. That is not to say he’s not a guy you’d love to get on a minor league deal, but he’s not the kind of guy you make the focus of a trade involving Soriano and a ton of cash (especially given how advantageous this deal could be for the Yankees, financially). Sherman concedes that he’s not sure if Adams would be involved in this deal.

UPDATE 2 (1:50pm CT): Maybe this will become another rolling update piece … Peter Gammons (noted Boston connections, cough) reports that not only is Jed Hoyer headed to Arizona today, but so is Theo Epstein. Gammons says the two men are going to speak with Soriano about a possible deal, and that, eventually, a deal with the Yankees is likely. There’s still a “ways to go.” If both Hoyer and Epstein are going to the lengths to head to Arizona so they can meet with Soriano face to face, you can book it that they’ll be having a serious conversation. That does not necessarily mean they are seeking his approval on a specific trade. It could mean that the conversations with the Yankees – or other teams – have reached such a level that finding out where Soriano is willing to go is now necessary. That’s a conversation you want to have face-to-face, especially if you feel like the trade will be important for the future of the organization.

UPDATE 3 (2:25pm CT): Phil Rogers makes a very good point: because the Cubs had some difficulties last year navigating Ryan Dempster’s 10-5 no-trade rights, they don’t want to have that same issue this year. What exactly happened with Dempster varies depending on whom you ask, but we can be sure that the process probably helps Epstein and Hoyer this time around. Unless there’s a specific deal for Soriano to approve today when they meet with him – and indications from Hoyer are that a deal hasn’t reached that stage – the front office will make certain to find out exactly which teams Soriano would accept a trade to (or which teams the Cubs need to ask him about on a case-by-case basis), and under exactly what circumstances he’d accept a trade. They’re going to know what’s what before they actually finalize a deal.

UPDATE 4 (3:37pm CT): Nick Cafardo’s sources tell him a Yanks/Cubs deal on Soriano is just 50-50.  Other teams remain involved, even if the Yankees are the favorite.

  • Jay

    Assuming he doesn’t cockblock a trade to a winning team like he did last year…..

  • itzscott
    • BT

      that’s what started this whole thing. It’s from earlier this morning.

  • itzscott
  • Patrick G

    I could see Soriano rejecting something to the Yankees. They’re not looking good and even adding him their lineup is atrocious. Still a good amount back in AL East and wildcard

  • Sean

    You have to think they learned something from the Dempster dibacle that they already got a list from Soriano ahead of time otherwise you are just wasting time

    • On The Farm

      Except it was rumored Atlanta was on Dempster’s trade list, he just really wanted to go to LA

      • Sean

        Correct on that one. I do not miss Dempster and his fabricated yarns in the slightest

        • cking6178

          agreed! Rumor definitely was that ATL was on Dempster’s list….I’m still disappointed he did that to the team….I’m sure Theo & Jed were not very pleased either, hence why Dempster ended up spending time in Hoyer’s office to learn about how the process actually worked….i’m sure they (Hoyer & Epstein) learned their lesson though and will present Soriano with all the suitors and ask him if he will accept a trade to ALL of them based on who presents the most value….

          On another note, I’ll be sad to see Sori go…he has made epic strides in his defensive abilities and it is apparent his legs are healthy again….he’s a first class guy in my book

  • itzscott
  • Joey Jo Jo Junior

    Brett–

    Who do you think is resonsible for all the leaks? I get the sense that they are usually not the Cubs FO, but it does seem like every trade possibility gets leaked far in advance of the actual trade going down.

    I understand the leverage aspect–like when the Cubs advertised that they were engaged wih the A’s or when Texas put it out that they were looking at Santana–but what’s the point of leaking that a Soriano deal might happen?

    • Whiteflag

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    • notcubbiewubbie

      can you say crane ????

    • CubsFaninMS

      The Rangers front office seemed particularly loose-lipped.

  • Mick

    I think there are legs to Hoyer flying to catch up with the team to approach Soriano in person to discuss waiving his no-trade clause, FOLLOW ME HERE. I say this because in a previous interview with Theo about whether he’d be attending the All-Star game, he said no because he had to stay in Chicago to field trade calls. Why would Theo have to stay in Chicago to field calls if he could just as easily field those calls in NY? Because at Wrigley is Theo’s latest version of Carmine that helps him analyze all things baseball, especially trades. So, if all of the Cubs technology is in Chicago, why would Hoyer be flying to Arizona to catch up with the team when they’ll be flying back to Chicago in less than 6 days? WE”RE HERE, ask Soriano in-person to waive his NTC. Boom, mind blown.

    • SteveDillard

      As someone who works in software, I can guarantee you that Carmine has a cloud component, which means users can access the system remotely. So there’s no technical reason why Theo would need to be physically connected to Carmine. Only sysadmins would need to be onsite with the machines. And hopefully they’re not weighing in on trade decisions!

      • Mick

        Good point, I’ll take off my tin foil hat now. Wait *puts tin foil hat back on*, maybe Theo needs a grander setup like in his own office with multiple flat screen monitors where he can pull up multiple pages at once to do side by side by side by side comparisons. This can’t be so easily done with just a laptop.

        • lukers63

          Maybe Theo has him “bat cave” in Chicago w/ his super computer.

          • Mick

            Yes, well kind of, he may just call it his office, or maybe he has another name for it, but it’s the place he is assigned or prefers to do most of his work.

        • cking6178

          Mick, love the way you think through the process….also love the Stephen Colbert avatar!

        • CubsFaninMS

          I can see him with 3 monitors (sort of like a stock broker) watching the “major league player market” as the value of each player constantly ticks up and down by every pitch, hit, and ground ball that’s hit.

        • Freshness21

          Or Theo wanted to watch the Pearl Jam show

      • CubsFaninMS

        I fellow IT person. Good to see! I’m an information security officer.

        I agree that there’s a very high likelihood that Hoyer and Epstein have VPN capabilities as well as ActiveSync enabled on their phones to pull in company e-mails.

    • Jon

      I think Theo is like “Pauly” in Goodfellas, in the sense he hates phones, so that’s the job of Hoyer(and his fake, fancy GM Title) and Randy Bush and the other assistants, they have to fly around and physically get the message and then relay it back to Theo.

  • Jon

    The NY Post is not a credible source. I have no idea why this story got so much traction overnight.

    • Jon

      I mean remember when the NY Post reported 12 people dead in the Boston Marathon Bombings? They take any rumor and run with it without verifying the facts..

      • Patrick G

        They also posted a photo of the two “suspects” on the front page when no one else knew and wound up being the complete wrong people. I’m surprised if they didnt get sued over that

  • itzscott

    WFAN (NY’s version of WSCR) is saying that the Yankees will send over Wooten but the hang up is that the Cubs want a deal to include O’Brien too.

    I’m not familiar with the Yankee system so I have no clue about either of these names.

    • Patrick G

      Really I’m in NY an didnt hear that. I just hope it’s something decent I know the Yankees system is pretty thin

    • AB

      O’Brien?? what about Murphy??

      • EB

        O’brien…. That’s weird

      • Chris

        O’Brien’s stats look pretty good…good arm behind the plate…is 6’5″….drafted in the 3rd round by the rockies and didn’t sign…transferred to Miami for his senior year…drafted in 2012 by the yankees in the 2nd round. Currently @ high A and has 17 hr and 300+ average this season.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      They don’t knock your socks off.

    • ssckelley

      Eric Wooten? The guy they signed away from the independent league?

  • Jon

    The Yankees system is pretty much garbage. They are going to be so bad 3 years from now when they can’t buy themselves out of having no farm system.

    • JUICED1

      why can’t they buy their way out…. it’s the Yankees

      • Jon

        1) There has been a noticeable dip in spending with Steinbrener Jr vs his old man

        2) Teams aren’t letting top young players hit FA as much as usual. They are getting smarter.

        The 2014 and 2015 FA class is really not that good.

        The Yankees are going to be bad.

  • http://cubsdailyrecaps.blogspot.com Jason P

    One concern I could see Soriano having with being traded to the Yankees is whether he’d play full time once Granderson and A-Rod come back from injury. It’s possible the Yankees view him as the right handed half of a platoon.

    • Cyranojoe

      Yeah, that matters a lot to him, from what he’s said before. Cross your fingers they can make this work for everybody….

    • itzscott

      They’re thinking that A-Rod may not come back anytime soon. Supposedly he’s trying to strike a deal to join Braun.

      • cking6178

        heard that too….I don’t think they are counting on A-Rod returning…i bet they are praying he doesn’t return, actually

  • Patrick G

    Mlb.com updates top 20 prospects and Olt is #2 behind Baez and cj Edwards at #10

    • http://cubsdailyrecaps.blogspot.com Jason P

      I’m pretty sure that’s still based on where their stock was preseason though. Otherwise, Edwards would obviously be ahead of Jackson and Olt would have been behind the Big 4 (though in that list, Bryant’s not even ranked).

    • Seth

      Link?

    • willis

      Wow, really? That’s some damn high praise for Olt as strong as the system has become.

      • Jon

        Not to sound like a kill joy, but it’s really meaning less

        http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2013/

        The only updates is they do now, is when prospects are traded, they slot them, it seems based on their ranking with the previous organization. So since Olt was Texas top prospect as of April in 2013, they slid him behind Baez.

        They still have Brett Jackson @ 5 and Alcantara back at 20. There list isn’t a re-analysis of all prospects

        • Jon

          At best, Olt would be 5th behind Baez, Bryant, Soler, & Almora

          • willis

            I thnk that’s right, Jon. Maybe 6th or 7th. But with his problems I can’t slot him higher than the first four guys in the system.

  • YourResidentJag

    Question for people? If the Rangers obtain a bat and the trading partner wants Ramirez or a player on the list given to the Cubs from PTBNL, what happens? What’s the protocol, here? Anyone?

    • Crockett

      Those players are essentially “off limits” until the Cubs make a decision.

      • YourResidentJag

        Ok. Thanks.

  • Joey

    There was talk earlier this year of the Cubs acquiring and flipping Olt to the Yankees or Phillies. A Soriano + 20 mil + Olt package could net some assets

    • Mr. B. Patient

      I know Olt is a bit of a wild card, but the Yankee’s farm system is not that strong. Other than Gary Sanchez, I’m not sure they have a piece that’s more useful to the Cubs than Olt is.

      • Crockett

        Uhhh…Mason Williams?! He’s a stud.

        • Mr. B. Patient

          21 year old at high A with a .720 OPS. His scouting report must be better than his performance.

          • Crockett

            His scouting report is fantastic. Go read Law’s writeup on him too.

            • Mr. B. Patient

              Not a Law fan. I’ll take your word for it. Would you trade Soriano (+cash), and Olt for Williams? Would the Yankees? I’m just trying to figure out his value.

              • JB88

                I don’t care what Single A prospect you are talking about, but Soriano, plus $18M, and Olt is a very, very steep price to pay. Only way I would ever do that is if the player coming back was a generational talent.

                • Mr. B. Patient

                  I agree with you, on Williams. I would consider Sanchez though. Catchers with his offensive upside are rare.

                  • JB88

                    Even that would be a huge gamble considering Sanchez is only 17. The Cubs would have to be 100% convinced that Olt was damaged goods IMO to make that trade.

          • Tommy

            I think Mason Williams is known for his stellar defense and speed, but I tend to agree with you Mr. B – that .OPS isn’t that impressive. I’ve seen worse, though, and he is highly ranked by most the experts.

            • Tommy

              I like Ty Hensley from the stuff I’ve read on the top prospects in the Yankee’s system. Mostly because he throws really, really hard.

              • Mr. B. Patient

                He’s hurt. 60 day DL. I am kinda getting tired of rehab guys.

    • http://www.hookersorcake.com Hookers or Cake

      I could see that. Lot of moving parts, but the Yanks need some long term cheap power.
      I do not see the Cubs just giving Soriano away PLUS about 18 mil for a middling prospect. For a good close to top prospect 80-100, sure.

  • JM

    I say to be patient. Wait for the PED list. If Cruz is on it, go back and finish picking apart Texas.

    • cking6178

      Texas won’t want Soriano back….

    • cking6178

      Plus, I’m of the mindset that they picked up Olt to include him in a package with somebody like Soriano (or Schierholtz, or DJ, and/or Russell)….I’m certainly not inside the minds of our evil geniuses, but I don’t think they were looking at keeping Olt long term…my best estimate is that in their discussions with other teams, about players other than Garza, they gauged interest in scenarios (i.e., if we can get Olt away from the Rangers and give you this player along with Olt, what’s your best offer?)….just “thinking out loud” here

      • Mr. B. Patient

        You can never tell what this front office will do. They’re probably considering trading guys not born yet. I feel they think that Olt fits a need. A good fielding, high OBP 3rd baseman who can bridge the gap until Bryant is ready. If he exceeds expectations, than, in a few years, when Bryant and Baez are ready, they’ll be in a good position. That being said, if the Yankees offered Sanchez for him, they’d probably jump at it.

        If my name wasn’t Castro, Rizzo, or Castillo, I’d pack lite.

  • Kevin

    very good question

  • Dustin S

    From the sound of things, the deal might be further along than Hoyer would like to admit, but he’s downplaying it since he hasn’t talked with Soriano yet. With Soriano, I also wouldn’t be surprised if he wants to take time to consider things before saying yes or no. At least this year Soriano has seemed more open to a trade.

    I’ll really just be happy when this one is done so we don’t have to see Soriano trade rumors anymore. It feels like this has been a topic since the Sosa days…

    • cubzfan

      I think you’re right. And the conversation will go something like this:
      Hoyer: Alfonso, we have three possibilities for you to consider. The Yankees, Indians, and Rays [or whatever the teams are] have each shown a willingness to give a reasonable return. We’re currently talking to the Yankees the most, because they have unusual financial requirements, but if your preference is to go one of the other places, we will turn our attention there and keep you informed.
      Soriano: The Yankees would be fine. Or the Rays. I would rather not go to Cleveland.
      Hoyer: OK. It’ll probably be New York then. We’ll try to get it done sooner rather than later.

  • Cedlandrum

    Boise’s lineup getting a whole lot more interesting. Went form Dunston and Yasuel to adding Bryant and Hannemann back in.

  • todd mccombs

    Chase Whitley is who i am Reading most Rumored to come back in this trade for Soriano- 24 years of age -96mph fastball – great Change up – Good slider- closer type stuff- good command of his pitches. Not in the top 20 prospects for the Yankee’s but blocked from the major league. The Yankees have a lot of good pitching blocked at 3A won’t miss him.

  • forlines

    Brett,

    I must say, slow you roll is one of my favorite sayings.

    That is all

  • http://Jplgxk AlwaysNextYear

    My goodness is the farm being loaded with talent. I really love the mix we have at all the levels and these trades are only furthering the long term success of the team. The way this farm is setup its going to be fun to watch cause once they start coming up its not going to stop for awhile they have ensured at least on paper that every year there will be some prospects waiting to advance to the big leagues. What a difference this FO has done from the previous and I was not that critical of Hendry yes he had made some bad decision but he made some really good ones as well. Just curious what the potential deal with the Yankee’s brings and if Olt will be part of it, Cause I could see a much bigger trade in the works.

  • North Side Irish

    Jayson Stark ‏@jaysonst 18m
    Also in Rumblings – this astounding fact: HR totals in July – Alfonso Soriano 8, #Yankees (all of them) 7

    • King Jeff

      I’ve was called a moron a few minutes ago for suggesting that he’s worth more than salary relief and a mid level prospect, and suggesting that the Cubs are a better team when he’s in left.

      • hansman1982

        To be fair, you get called a moron quite often.

        • King Jeff

          Yeah, but it’s usually spelled wrong and comes from a guy with a mullet who wears jorts.

      • Augiepb

        I tend to agree…there is approximately 25 mil left on his salary…to give 20 million and a starting LF/cleanup hitter for a possible bullpen arm seems a little odd to me. Especially when he isn’t blocking anyone from playing time. I would rather see what they can get for Nate and keep soriano if that’s the price. That would make room for dejeus when he comes back…

  • Mick

    *Puts tin foil hat back on* Isn’t it suspect that the Cubs would only be receiving a reliever in exchange for Soriano and a boatload of cash? It could make sense if the Yankees are including their international pool money, like, all of it. In that regard, the Cubs would essentially be receiving a decent young reliever with full team control, millions saved in luxury taxes for this season’s international signings, and no penalties on international spending next season.

  • JB88

    Isn’t Adams just as likely as one of the PTBNL that the Cubs might receive from their two deals with the Yankees earlier this year?

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      He’s probably a touch better, but yeah, he’s more likely in that range. I just figured he’d be a roster replacement, if the Cubs wanted him.

      • papabear

        The Cubs have a ton of maybe bench player already – Going to see some at the I-cubs game tonight.

  • papabear

    You are right king the Cubs are a better team with Soriano than with out him. I don’t think the Cubs will be much better than 500 next year with or with out him.

    If the Cubs can get a young arm to put in the Bull pen for 3 yrs from now that would be better than keeping Soriano. The other point is – why make Soriano sit around on a losing team when he can compete for a championship.

  • Kyle

    The more I look at it, the more I like 2014 to be a .500 or better season. I really like what they’ve done for the last month or two.

    • On The Farm

      And that’s saying something.

    • MichiganGoat

      Kyle really think there are two of you posting under the same name. The guy who just last year had a FireTheo website is now impressed by what they are doing.

      • Kyle

        Nobody noticed because they keep wanting to re-argue Oct. 2011 through March 2012 (OK, *I* keep wanting to reargue that time period), but I’ve been super happy with what they’ve done since then. They’ve been following my suggestions pretty consistently (well, I’ll give them credit, they probably arrived at the same good ideas independently).

        • bbmoney

          I’ve noticed Kyle. You’ve actually become one of the more bullish posters on the Cubs immediate future.

          • hansman1982

            I prefer to think that it is as simple as I won the debate and Kyle now views the Cubs as I told him to view them as.

            • Kyle

              I prefer to think that Epstein and Hoyer finally started listening to me.

              • SirCub

                Smartest thing Theo and Jed ever did, right?

              • hansman1982

                Are you kidding me? Theo and Jed aren’t listening to you, I just allowed you to see the beauty and majesty of their plan. As usual, you’re dead wrong.

                • Kyle

                  Remember when I spent all of May pointing out how thin our 2014 pitching situation was?

                  Once the front office noticed those posts, the plan for this trading deadline was set.

                  • hansman1982

                    Oh I do, I remember telling you trading Russell wasn’t a white flag for 2014, what we got at the deadline was going to be a better indicator.

                    Or maybe you noticed the last 12 months of Theo and Jed hammering about the derth of impact pitching in the system.

                    • On The Farm

                      Did you guys specify the white flag that would be waived? I do believe that the “W” flag is white

        • MichiganGoat

          Oh we noticed buddy… we noticed ;)

    • Mick

      You’re right, the Tennessee Smokies will be outstanding.

    • Mr. B. Patient

      Kyle, just curious . Which moves do you think will make the Cubs that much better in 2014?

      • Kyle

        Well, keep in mind that I subscribe heavily to the idea that they are essentially a 78-79 win team this year that has been hit with some fluky underperformance.

        Heading into the trade deadline, they’ve really managed to address the team’s biggest problem for next season: Pitching depth. I spent most of May and June beating the drum that we were desperately short of arms in 2014 that could be reasonably expected to be MLB replacement level or better.

        Since then, they’ve added Arrieta, Strop, Grimm and possibly Neil Ramirez. Plus Cabrera and Hendricks haven’t faded, and Paniagua turned out to be a real person.

        All that cost-controlled pitching will make it easier to focus our money on a smaller number of holes. We probably only need one rotation arm, one or two bullpen arms, and a position player.

        I don’t see a path to a 90-win projection or anything, but I think 80-85 is doable (and hopefully variance will take us the rest of the way).

    • CastrotoBarneytoRizzo

      Somebody hacked Kyle’s account…

    • http://www.hookersorcake.com Hookers or Cake

      Wow, Kyle got hacked.

    • BT

      Other than (arguably) Soriano, there are no more major pieces to be moved. Shark could be moved if it becomes clear he won’t sign an extension, but that isn’t part of a long range plan, it would instead be a reaction to a short range problem. The Cubs will be building next year. There still might be some Feldman type deals, but for most part they will be trying to acquire talent, rather than shed expiring contracts.

      • Chad

        If they trade Samardzija (which I would be fine with given the right package) it won’t be until the off season when I think they can maximize his trade value.

        • BT

          I didn’t mean to suggest they would trade him this year. I was responding to Kyle’s larger point about next year. Between now and the end of next year, I don’t see (m)any major sell-offs (unless you count Soriano). My assumption is that they will be in acquisition mode going forward.

  • WNebCub

    @professorparks said on twitter last night that Olt is not top 5 in Cubs system. Could slot in at #6 right now when pressed on it. Says Cubs could have 8 of the top 100 prospects in baseball and basically the farm system is full of #rig.

    What’s ridiculous is that a guy like Arodys Vizcaino sits at the back end of our top 10 right now.

    • Augiepb

      I see them with 7 elite prospects right now and a large group of pretty good prospects right behind them…amazing from where they were a few years ago.

      • Mr. B. Patient

        And since those pretty good prospects behind them are all very young, there is a chance they themselves will become ‘top 100′ types.

        I could name 10 guys, outside of our current top 10, that could become top 100 prospects in a few years.

        • On The Farm

          Go

          • Kyle

            Candelario, Blackburn, Underwood, Dunston, Maples, Zastryzny, Skulina, Hanneman, Torres, Jimenez

            • JB88

              You could probably add Paniagua, Amaya, Vogelbach (assuming that he isn’t one of the 8 for Park), Johnson (same caveat), and Cabrera.

              • Kyle

                Amaya is a good one, but the rest of them I assumed would be in at least some people’s top 10.

              • JB88

                Reading is fundamental (d’oh), missed the caveat in Mr. B’s post that it would be 10 outside the Cubs’ current top 10.

                Given that, we could probably add Edwards too and maybe Ramirez if he ends up being the PTBNL.

            • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

              This is kind of insane. Cubs fans always like to dream on the guys in the 20 to 30 range in the system, but the Cubs are legitimately going to have some guys in that range who would be obvious top 10 prospects in other systems. I can’t believe that.

              • ssckelley

                In future years deciding the 40 man roster might become interesting.

              • Kyle

                It’s awesome, but think about what we’ve spent to get there.

                The combined 2011-2013 IFA and draft spending, the salaries of players bought and flipped, the lost seasons at the MLB level. We’ve paid a lot and we’ve gotten a lot.

                • MichiganGoat

                  So Kyle would you say the rebuilding plan is working?

                  • Kyle

                    I’d say they’ve succeeded in phase one, which is the easiest phase to succeed in. It gets tougher from here.

                    • Mr. B. Patient

                      Yes, but if you don’t get Phase 1 right, Phase 2 becomes more difficult (and expensive).

              • Mr. B. Patient

                That’s the key. In the past, when we had a good system, we would trade prospects, graduate prospects, or prospects would flame out, and our system would be bare. Now, it seems that we have a second wave of talent coming.

          • Mr. B. Patient

            @Daytona
            Geiger, Pinyero
            @Kane County
            Amaya, Vogelbach, Candelario, Paniagua, Contreras
            @Boise
            Dunston, Hannemann, Zastryzny, Blackburn, Skulina.

    • Kyle

      I wouldn’t put him in the top 10.

      We are insanely deep right now. We spent three years (going back to the 2011 draft) diverting every imaginable resource to acquiring prospects. Mission accomplished. Now move on to the next objective and actually win the war.

    • willis

      Do you mean that as in it’s ridiculous he’s ranked that low or high?

  • mudge

    An open mind is commendable.

  • Ivy Walls

    I really suspect that a trade with NYY will involve multiple players and positions of need.

    NYY is 7 below Boston and in 3rd place in the division. Tied with Cleveland 4.5 games out of the last WC spot, which is also Baltimore. They would have to begin jumping over teams to get into contending position where that includes Texas, Baltimore but in the division it appears that Bos or TB are division winners and a WC team.

    Not insurmountable and a solid August could put them in contending position. I also think that Braun’s move is connected to ARod.

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