Cubs Trade Guillermo Moscoso to the Giants for a PTBNL or Cash

guillermo moscoso a'sLike Alberto Gonzalez, Brent Lillibridge, and Hisanori Takahashi before him, Cubs minor league pitcher Guillermo Moscoso has been shipped out for a player to be named later or cash. Unlike the former three, however, Moscoso never got a chance to play with the big league team, and, about that, I’m a little surprised. Well, that is to say I would have been if you’d told me this is how things were going to play out a month ago. (Drew Carpenter was also dealt earlier this year for a PTBNL or cash, and he also didn’t pitch in the big leagues. But he was really struggling, so it’s not quite parallel to Moscoso’s story.)

When the Cubs picked up Moscoso earlier this year off of waivers, I was pleased with the move (as pleased as you can be about a 29-year-old waiver pick-up, anyway). He came with a nice pedigree, had a down year, and looked like a nice rebound candidate that the Cubs could stash at AAA and give a look in the second half after the roster turned over. Moscoso did his part, pitching well enough at Iowa (3.93 ERA over 94 innings, striking out a batter per inning, walking 4.5 per 9, though).

The problem for Moscoso, though, is that when the Cubs did start turning over the roster – think Scott Feldman and Matt Garza – they acquired young, Major League-ready pitchers in the process (Jake Arrieta, Justin Grimm). They necessarily take priority over Moscoso in the development plans, and there probably wasn’t going to be a spot for Moscoso in the late year rotation, even with a couple injuries. The Cubs probably decided it was better to send Moscoso to a team that might give him a shot this year.

That team is the Giants, who have certainly needed starters this year. I can’t say whether Moscoso will get a shot, but he’s solid depth for the Giants. The Cubs are getting a PTBNL or cash, so you can guess the PTBNL list isn’t impressive. Moscoso is the kind of guy that you would have hoped could have netted a very small international pool slot (which would have translated to a bigger cash return for the Cubs than the cash return in a deal like this will actually be (because, to a team willing to trade an international slot, $150,000 of international pool money is worth a whole lot less than $150,000 (and, to the Cubs, since they’re over their pool and will pay a 100% tax on the overage, $150,000 in pool money translates to $150,000 in actual money (I’m getting a bit far afield here)))). I’d imagine the Cubs asked around.

In any event, Moscoso goes to the Giants, and the Cubs might get a little something out of it. Hank Schulman’s writeup of the deal suggests Moscoso is going straight into the Giants’ rotation this weekend, which makes me wonder if the return will be slightly better than you usually see on a deal like this (especially if he pitches well).

Brett Taylor is the editor and lead writer at Bleacher Nation, and can also be found as Bleacher Nation on Twitter and on Facebook.

87 responses to “Cubs Trade Guillermo Moscoso to the Giants for a PTBNL or Cash”

  1. college_of_coaches

    This should open up a spot in Iowa’s rotation for Cabrera.

    1. nkniacc13

      Brett wasn’t carpenter traded for a ptbn or cash as well?

    2. nkniacc13

      Be interesting if they use it for Cabrera or if they promote another AA pitcher to that spot and keep Cabrera in bullpen to limit innings

      1. Serious Cubs Fan

        Wonder how Cabrera’s innings limit will be managed if he moves to the rotation.

      2. Patrick G

        I was thinking that too. I’d like to see Cabrera in the rotation since he did well at AA or if maybe Moscoso would be Grimms new spot. I’d love to see Hendricks up but don’t think he’s had enough time at AA

  2. Rebuilding

    Phillies now taking offers for Cliff Lee. Probably a good thing we moved Garza as early as we did

    1. Sandberg

      Jed and Theo were like Indiana Jones sliding under the wall with that one.

    2. cubchymyst

      Agreed, but Lee is expensive so the phillies will need to pick up a decent chunk of whats left to get a good return.

      1. nkniacc13

        yeah and the fact he has No trade protection to 21 teams could make that an interesting deal to make even thou he would may choose to waive it like Sori did

    3. MichiganGoat

      That might be why the Cubs moved fast on Garza.

      1. Kurt

        Cubs moved so fast on Garza?

        Tell that to everyone that peed their pampers every time he made, or looked like he was about to make, a start.

  3. Dustin S

    I understand why they don’t (players don’t like knowing they’re on them), but it’s too bad we generally don’t get the info on the names on the PTBNL lists. As a fan these PTBNL trades always tend to feel like we’re giving up a player for nothing. It’d just be a little easier to swallow if we knew we were getting back player x, y, or z. Not a huge deal in this case, just something that I think when these come up. And it doesn’t help that the front office loves PTBNL trades.

    1. nkniacc13

      some of the reason is that it may depend on how that player does as to if the team get a player or if it gets cash

  4. Josh

    Are all those PTBNL still outstanding?

    1. nkniacc13

      I think so. They also have PTBN in the Hariston and the Garza deals

  5. Serious Cubs Fan

    The team I could see taking on Cliff Lee’s salary is the Red Sox and the Dodgers (If they even have the farm system to acquire him in a trade)

  6. Idaho Razorback

    Brett will have nothing to talk about during the blogathon.

    1. ssckelley

      There are still all kinds of deals that the FO can make yet.

      1. nkniacc13

        True Id be shocked if they were done. Id expect atleast 3 more players moved

    2. TWC

      He’ll always have LOST.

      Poor guy.

  7. AD

    Not sure if it has been mentioned, but Jonathan Mayo reranked the Cubs top twenty.

    1 Baez #11 Overall
    2 Almora #25
    3 Soler #30
    4 Bryant #40
    5 Olt #63
    6 Vizcaino
    7 Johnson
    8 Alcantara
    9 Lake
    10 Szczur

    1. Serious Cubs Fan

      AD: Thanks for sharing. I’ll have to check it out.

      1. AD

        Cardinals had four in the top 100
        Pirates had 5 in the top 100
        Brewers had just one in the top 100
        Reds had just two in the top 100

  8. Die hard

    PTBNL is a win win and fairest method if conditional on performance of player and team

  9. Deacon

    Do the cash totals ever get released? I feel like PTBNL always make the press but if the team decides on cash it just says “settled for cash” and we never learn the amount.

  10. Serious Cubs Fan

    Jonathan Mayo: Baez scouting report: Scouting Grades (present/future): Hit: 4/6 | Power: 4/7 | Run: 5/5 | Arm: 6/6 | Field: 4/5 | Overall: 5/6

    1. another JP

      4/7 power for Baez is a joke… so is 5/5 running. Dude has 25 homers so far this year and hasn’t stolen that many bases- he might want to switch those scouting grades.

      1. Serious Cubs Fan

        Yeah agreed, I think Baez has proven he’s already at least a scouting 6 power, not to mention he plays a premium position at SS. Not to many players have 25 homers at short-stop in the minors

    2. Serious Cubs Fan

      Interesting: Mayo originally put Javier Baez at an Overall ranking: 5/7. Now its 5/6? 7 is considered super star overall, and 6 is consider allstar potential.

      Still a great ranking, but I think BB% rate might have dropped him a little bit. I mean still a great ranking and I’m knit picking a little bit but just curious to why it dropped

  11. another JP

    What I like most about the Moscoso trade isn’t just the return; it just shows how aggressive the Cubs are about trying to improve. The ink isn’t even dry on the Soriano deal and they pull the trigger on another trade, which also indicates teams like the Yanks, Rangers, & Giants can trust Theo/Jed to be fair in their negotiations. If you play in the Cubs organization right now it might not be the opportune time to sign a long term housing lease.

    1. Eternal Pessimist

      It’s “nice” to be fair, but I hope they “win” in their trades.

    2. ssckelley

      I am impressed with the fact they pay this much attention to detail and get something for a AAA pitcher.

      1. Serious Cubs Fan

        I feel like the Cubs were probably the ones shopping Moscoso around to make room in the AAA rotation.

        1. Serious Cubs Fan

          I’m sure the Moscoso trade negotation went like this, “Theo we’ll give either a bag of chips or a new rosin bad for Moscoso. Which one you want?”

  12. Lou Brock

    Giants just DFA’d Hunter Strickland RHP who originally in 2007 was a RedSox draftee. Sounds like a PTBNL candidate to me. Put up great numbers in A+ as a closer this year.

    1. Serious Cubs Fan

      Stickland’s pretty interesting, but he’s already 24 and only in A+ ball. I’d rather pick him up and try and have cubs try and stash him

      1. nkniacc13

        they have done that before

    2. Hansman1982

      Not likely, unless the Cubs get him on a MiLB deal or claim him through waiver and then DFa him themselves.

  13. The Show

    It seems like Nate and Gregg to the Pirates just makes too much sense.

    1. Serious Cubs Fan

      Makes sense but I’m not sure the Pirates are going to wanna give up much to acquire either

      1. Ivy Walls

        McGuire and Reese looks like the price, Catcher and power RHP

  14. Serious Cubs Fan

    Take a look at Jonathan Mayo’s new reranked top 100 and Cubs Top 20 prospect list.

    1. Serious Cubs Fan

      Not a fan at a fan of Mayo’s ranking or scouting rankings of players. Alcantara doesn’t crack top 100 or Cubs top 7 prospects. I don’t think he put too much thought in his rankings as he did for the preseason rankings. Not his best work IMO

      1. Michael D

        Interestingly, Alcantara is 4th at 2nd. Maybe that explains it.

        1. Serious Cubs Fan

          Mayo’s Alcantara Scouting Grades* (present/future): Overall: 3/5. That is pathetic. He ranks Alcantara a present 3?

          1. Michael D

            My point, which was hard to write with a one week old in my arms was that maybe Mayo doesn’t view 2nd base very highly, but I think mr. B patient’s point is pretty relevant with the lists not changing too much.

            1. Serious Cubs Fan

              Michael D: Congrats on the newborn! But yeah agreed, definitely see your point with the valuing of 2nd baseman.

              Check out this video:

              Brandon Hyde director of player development does an interview explaining the Cubs haven’t shut the door on Alcantara at SS. It mostly has to do with the Baez call up. Its interesting.

              I think whenever Baez gets promoted they should move Alcantara back to SS to up his trade value if the cubs decided to trade him in a big trade. Such as maybe a David Price or Giancarlo Stanton deal down the line

            2. MoneyBoy

              Yes, absolutely!! Congrats Michael D …

              I made mention to a friend … Isn’t it NICE to have to worry about a glut of prospects in a position as opposed to wondering if we had *any* worthwhile *anythings* anywhere!!!

              My god, this has changed dramatically in the last 18 months or so!

      2. Mr. B. Patient

        You’re right, Serious. These rankings are lazy at best. Other than the new guys added, not one ‘scouting’ report was changed. They’re all the preseason ones.

  15. Chris

    So for 17.7 million zillion dollars we ship Soriano out of town. If I ran my business like that–just shoot me. Oh, yeah, the media thinks we pulled off a great deal. This Chicago media sure loves the free media brunches in press box. Journalists and journalism school be damned. That salad bar is so fresh. Un-fortunately Theo is still walking on Lake Mich waters. New York media today is laughing about the second city brilliance.

    1. Abe Froman

      Chrie , if you had to concisely articulate your point in one sentence, how would you phrase it?

      1. Abe Froman


      2. Chris

        Sunk costs. A pig with lipstick in the real business world.

        1. Abe Froman

          And your point about sunk costs and the Soriano trade is?

          1. MichiganGoat

            He’s trolling now… walk away

            1. Eternal Pessimist

              I’m sure you mean Chris is trolling…or uninformed.

              1. MichiganGoat


    2. Tobias

      Where were those “free” lunches when I was in Journalism school?

      1. Chris

        S.I.U. had two vending machines. If you shook them just right free lunch.

  16. Eternal Pessimist

    Who is Moscoso…and his name pronounced backwards is….

    1. MoneyBoy

      GONE !!

  17. Dean

    So who do the Cubs spend the $6-7 million on this winter?

    1. Eternal Pessimist

      That is the right question, as that is what they are saving.

  18. Brent

    I would really like to see Gregg get a couple clean saves before the deadline. Schierholtz & Gregg to the Pirates. Russell to the Braves? Would have to think that Navarro is going somewhere, just don’t know where. I hope Theo & Jed have at least 4 more trades ahead of them. Glasnow! Glasnow! Glasnow!

    1. Serious Cubs Fan

      Glasnow would be great but you think we could swindle Luis Heredia in a trade from the Pirates? Probably not but what a great get that would be in Gregg/Schierholtz deal

    2. The Show

      I’d be happy with Kingham.

      1. Brent

        I agree. Glasnow or Kingham and I will be estatic. I have faith in Theo & Jed to pull off one more relatively big deal.

        1. Serious Cubs Fan

          Don’t think we could land either in a Schierholtz deal. Those Top 10′s in a great farm system. Steep price for Schierholtz. Depends on how desperate the Pirates are

        2. Bilbo161

          Pirates are full of prospects. Question is do they feel a need to quell any slide in the standings like they suffered last year, and do we have what they need to help.

          1. Eternal Pessimist

            I’ll take the high pick that goes with the bad record…but only for one more year. 2015 has to be good…or very good or I will be one sad Cub fan. I think they are really set up to make a good run 2015 to infinity.

  19. Deacon

    Interest on the portion of the loan from the team purchase that is owned to the Ricketts Trust!

  20. SalukiHawk

    O/T, but…Grimm got pummeled tonight for Iowa. 7 ER in 2 IP. Yowza.

  21. Funn Dave

    Brackets are your friend, Brett.

    -BN Punctuation Dbag

    Not a great move for the Cubs, but not anything that will be significantly detrimental to the team, either. I like it overall because it gives the guy a chance to maybe pitch in the majors.

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