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nate schierholtz cubsMore and more smoke billows from the general direction of Chicago Cubs outfielder Nate Schierholtz.

A day after ESPN Chicago reported that Schierholtz is the “most likely” Cub to be moved next, Buster Olney says that the Cubs are getting “solid interest” on Schierholtz, and, because he’s one of the best bats on the market, he’s very likely to be traded. Olney adds that the Pirates are a perfect fit, and notes that they face a whole lot of righties on the Reds and Cardinals.

Couple this with Jayson Stark’s comment that the most likely Cubs to be moved are Kevin Gregg and Schierholtz, and, at least from the ESPN contingent, you’ve got a whole lot of Schierholtz smoke.

Schierholtz is 29, under cheap control through 2014, and has been very productive for the Cubs in right field. The reasons to trade him are largely the same as the reasons to keep him.

  • http://www.justinjabs.com/blog/ justinjabs

    I have no problem with then keeping him.

    • http://www.justinjabs.com/blog/ justinjabs

      Them*

      Typos, smh

      • terencemann

        Yeah, the return needs to be worth it, imo. The Pirates and Cards look like an attractive suitor with the depth they have in the minors. Not a situation where you want them trading with a team with a lot of boom/bust prospects.

  • http://www.survivingthalia.com Mike Taylor (no relation)

    Heard the Pirates / White Sox talks for Rios broke down.

    • taits06

      Have to believe that the money was the issue… wonder if they were saying, “Hey, we can get Schierholtz for much cheeper and we only have to give up prospect A + B, so if you can’t come down in price, we’ll take the Cubs’ offer”

      • Rebuilding

        Hahn is in a tough position trying to rebuild given that Reinsdorf has been vocal in the past that he will not pick up salary of guys not on the team. Supposedly both the A’s and Pirates backed away from Peavy because they would be on the hook for the full $14.5 mil next year. Even with that the Sox are still asking for top prospects. Glad we are in the position to eat salary if need be (although that shouldn’t really be an issue with Schierholtz, Gregg and Russell)

        • Eternal Pessimist

          Interesting that next years 14.5 million would be seen as a negative…wouldn’t most teams be happy to pick up players like Peavy for 14.5 million/year each year, and avoid the risk of longer term contracts? WHIP around 1.1 and SO:BB about 4:1 over last two years. When healthy he is nearly dominant.

  • terencemann

    I feel like trading/keeping Schierholtz is like flipping a coin. If he reverts to his career averages then he probably isn’t worth his next arbitration award. If he doesn’t, then he’s a great deal for somebody. This is definitely a situation where scouts earn their paycheck.

  • Justin Koehneke

    What kind of prospect(s) do you see the cubs getting for him?

    • Jed Jam Band

      Not Brett, but it could depend on the player(s) going with him. Obviously, Russell brings more than Gregg, for instance.

      • terencemann

        They’ve both had a pretty bad month. I can see trading Gregg for whatever they can get but I kind of hope they keep Russell at this point unless he’s part of a trade to get a bigger return.

        • Jed Jam Band

          Russell’s had a rough go of late, but teams are less likely to interpret that as an indicator of future performance than they will for Gregg.

      • Geo

        Why, russel is an overrated turd?

        • Jed Jam Band

          No, Russell is a 26-year-old lefty reliever with a history of effectiveness against both righties and lefties and has good stuff. This has been explained on here before. Recent peformances are what they are. He’s had a slump, but overall numbers are good and trending the right way. Any contending team would like to have a Russell in their bullpen.

          • http://Jplgxk AlwaysNextYear

            Your responding to someone who used the word turd. Is he really worth it.

            • TWC

              So says the guy who was calling folks homophobic names yesterday…

            • Jed Jam Band

              Nah, not really. It’s just that you hear so much ridiculous stuff about baseball and baseball players this time of year that you feel the need to point out the logic in situations.

  • Jackson

    Like Nate a lot but hope we can trade him. That extra year under contract should yield a decent return.

  • Josh

    Minor news…..Tyler Skulina promoted to Kane County……maybe the Cougars will finally get some semi decent pitching

    • Jed Jam Band

      Skulina has a chance to be a lot more than “semi-decent.” I believe Luke had him in his Top 15.

      • On The Farm

        Yeah I was pretty excited when I heard the news. I was hoping our second pick would be called up as well if I can catch one of their games next month. KC is desperate for any pitching, and Skulina is going to be a nice boost.

        • mdavis

          only disappointment i had with that is i think paniauga went down in his place.

          • willis

            Yeah but I think he was rushed to KC and needs some more time at Boise. He’ll be fine but just wasn’t ready for that yet. Looking forward to see how Skulina does at that level.

            • mdavis

              Yeah, really excited about Skulina’s potential.

      • Josh

        Sorry….my comment was just sarcastic towards the terrible pitching currently in the Cubs A-level farm team…….not towards Skulina

  • On The Farm

    I see Posey was a scratch from San Fran’s lineup, any chance he is being moved?

    • Jed Jam Band

      It’s been surprising we haven’t heard more about them selling. Still, that would be surprising.

    • taits06

      Not to mention, Posey is one of the top 10 most valuable players in all of baseball… That would be very surprising. But, hey, I’m all for trade rumors!

    • http://www.survivingthalia.com Mike Taylor (no relation)

      I would love to have Buster Posey… dude can hit. But if we were to acquire him, when we become competitive, that contract may become a burden.
      ’14: 10.5M
      ’15: 16.5M
      ’16: 20.0M
      ’17-’21: 21.4M
      ’22: 22M w/$3M buyout.

    • On The Farm

      It’s because he is sick, no way the Giants are trading their “face”. He can still mash it and plays the premium position

    • kmr1453

      Apparently, he is only sick

  • me

    Does anyone know anything about david price? What are the chances of the cubs getting him in the offseason?

    • jpeck

      almost 0 % this off season.

      • taits06

        I wouldn’t be so sure. I think this offseason is the perfect time to get him. He is getting too expensive for the Rays. They will keep him through this year, and secretly shop him this offseason. The cubs most definitely have enough in the farm to land him too.

        • On The Farm

          I thought it was a pretty well known fact that they don’t want to pay his salary next season? I think they will be publically shopping him.

          • taits06

            I know. You are right. I just want it to be a secret so the Cubs can offer less haha.

          • http://deepcenterfield.blogspot.com Jason Powers

            Tampa has to measure how much he’s worth v. the team they have to construct after losing 7 FAs. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0Ah4PW47PiAi-dFlrRUdUWUZmREFZbkgtbVdWaS1TYXc&output=html

            You gotta suspect he’ll get 14-16 million. They have very few guys locked up on contracts, but how active can they be in FA? They seem to hover around 60 million total to players, about where we are now.

            I bet they shop him hard as hell if they are WS participators and Price wins 1-2 games. You can bet he’ll be Cliff Lee, in his prime, want of 3-4 top prospects. The Tampa method: strip mine other farms after you get plenty of usage.

      • me

        he’s a beast. The cubs should really make a hard push to get him on the team.

        • Mr. B. Patient

          Folks, Price is one year away from free agency, and would cost at least 2 top prospects, plus others. for a team that has as many needs as the Cubs do, is he worth it?

          • X the Cubs Fan

            2 year from free agency

            • Mr. B. Patient

              Sorry. I thought it was after the 2014 season. Still, is he worth two of the top 4 and a few other top 10-15 prospects? For this team, at this time?

              • X the Cubs Fan

                Who needs Price when Kershaw will be a free agent after 2014.

                • Jed Jam Band

                  Stop thinking that way. No way Dodgers let Kershaw walk.

                • Mr. B. Patient

                  Let’s be greedy. Kershaw after 2014, Price after 2015 Add that to Taillion and Glasnow (From the Shark trade at the 2014 trade deadline).

          • http://deepcenterfield.blogspot.com Jason Powers

            I’d say 3 or 4 top prospects – imho.

    • Vulcan

      Low.

    • On The Farm

      better than 0%, but I wouldn’t bet the farm that they get him either. They are probably one of a handful of teams that make sense to make a play for him.

      • Jono

        Seriously, how can anyone claim 0% for something? Geez, people…

        • jpeck

          easy, If you dont think there is a chance in hell, you say 0%. The Cubs would have him for 2 yrs. then he is a free agent. I dont think they would want to decimate their farm system that they are just building up so soon. And the rest of their team is not ready to compete. I am not ripping on people for their opinions, but the 0% comment is my opinion.

          • Jono

            That was a joke. Yesterday I gave a 0% chance for something that Farm and I were discussing. A little inside joke action

            • Jono

              Maybe I shouldn’t start a sarcastic comment with “Seriously”?

            • jpeck

              Gotcha, plus i think i probably rub people the wrong way when I say 0%, when obviously there is always at least some minute chance. In honesty, I believe that their best chance is when he is a free agent after 2015.

        • Eternal Pessimist

          It is called rounding…when the chance is 0.00001% you can round down to 0%.

        • On The Farm

          I’ll have you know I put better than 0%! ;)

  • gary

    This is the time to trade schierholz. He is having a career year.

  • papabear

    Pirates can give a better prospect rather than pay cash – Pirates won’t and can’t pay Rio’s contract, way to much.

    • mdavis

      Polanco?

      • Jed Jam Band

        No way. Not for Schierholtz and not for Rios.

  • papabear

    I hope the cubs trade Schierhotz to the pirates and they win it all – like to see the little guy win once in a while.

    • Jed Jam Band

      Still wanna see the A’s win it all. Billy Beane deserves it more than anyone.

      • Jono

        Those are both teams I’d cheer for to win it all

        • Jed Jam Band

          How about an A’s-Pirtates WS? That would be pretty cool.

          • Jono

            Yea, dude. That would be jelly

          • ssckelley

            Yeah, that would be neat. I would have to root for the A’s in that situation.

      • Her Seop Chode

        Anyone? Have you met a cubs fan?

  • taits06

    Any chance the Bucs give up Glasnow?

  • Jono

    Breaking news from my inside source: Nate traded to the blackhawks for quenneville’s mustache

    • TWC

      Cubs won that trade.

    • Danny Ballgame

      Not the Q-Stache!!!

    • D.G.Lang

      TIMMY alert?

      false ‘breaking news’ not considered funny after Timmy kept posting it everywhere.

      • Jono

        Damn, I thought people wouldve believed me. Maybe I should’ve gone with Shaw’s shin pad, that’s more reasonable

  • John (ibcnu2222)

    I think they need to sell high on Nate the Great. I foresee regression next year. Next year could be rough. Any ideas on outfield for next year. I could see Dejesus in right, Lake/Olt in left, and I would love to see Ellsbury in center. Corey Hart could be a reclamation project. On a side note, Is Wellington the answer at catcher? Or could we sign McCann?

    • Eternal Pessimist

      Corey Hart would be a great pick-up, if his knee recovers. Hell, even if he is gimpy he could still probably swing a mean bat and give you 820 OPS. I would bet he won’t be cheap, even with his knee problems.

      • YourResidentJag

        I’m inclined to think, if we’re going to pick up some offense for next yr, I would be a deal like this.

        • YourResidentJag

          *it

  • Rebuilding

    Russell not going to Cleveland as they just picked up rzepczynski from the Cardinals

    • Jono

      Is that a real name?

      • Jed Jam Band

        Yes. He’s a legit prospect.

      • Rebuilding

        Yes, but spell check didnt like it

  • TulaneCubs

    Total guess, but how about Schierholtz to the Pirates for Nick Kingham? No way we can get Glasnow/Taillon/Polanco/Hanson for him. But Kingham could be interesting.

    • Jed Jam Band

      Kingham seems likely, yes.

  • Curt

    Nate will be traded why bc the cubs trade all de players .

  • Cyranojoe

    Why was Nate just pulled in favor of Gillespie with the tying run on base? I can’t watch the game, but that can’t possibly have made sense outside of trade implications, right?

    • Mr. B. Patient

      Lefty pitching.

      • Cyranojoe

        So Gillespie, of the .091 average, hits lefties that much better than Schierholtz? Funny.

    • TulaneCubs

      I believe it was a double switch.

    • Rebuilding

      Lefty/righty match-ups

    • Jono

      He got injured

  • Rebuilding

    It seems like the Diamondbacks are trying to just dump Ian Kennedy to free up $ for Peavy. He’s in the first year of arb at $4.3 mil but surely won’t get much of a raise next year. If they are really just trying to shed salary he could be a decent reclamation, pick up and flip candidate. With the way he has pitched this year you have to wonder if there are arm problems though

    • http://deepcenterfield.blogspot.com Jason Powers

      I’d say we could do that. Kennedy has a reasonable health record using this tool – he has not shown a loss of velocity or LGC(release point on last 10 pitches, if higher (over 70%, that potentially predicts injury), just put in Kennedy and the dates:
      http://www.baseballheatmaps.com/graph/consistencyscore.php

      He’s been burnt on LOB% -65% – where most are well above 70%. He’s walked a bit more batters, and HR% has killed him. But, he’s not 30 until December next year.

      If the Cubs want to help AZ, he’d be 3-4 starter. Not a bad cost either.

  • Hawks

    Ian Kennedy to the Cubs?

  • North Side Irish

    Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN 1m
    Cubs may also be a destination for Ian Kennedy — along with the Padres/Angels, as @SteveGilbertMLB. But probably won’t happen with SD.

  • Hawks

    I’d Rather have Skaggs or Bradley for the same price…..

  • papabear

    Not a Billy Beane Fan – The steriods in his locker room back with McGuire and Conseco came because of an atmosphere he helped cultivate. I believe billy helped lead baseball in that direction so he was kind of a pioneer.

    • Jed Jam Band

      You can have your opinion and I can respectfully disagree on that.

    • slothinator

      Beane took over as GM for the A’s in 97; “Canseco” and “McGwire” had already been traded.

      • MichiganGoat

        Exactly but why should we ever let facts get in the way of incorrect thoughts.

        • Eternal Pessimist

          Law of Logical Argument: Anything is possible if you don’t know what you are talking about

        • DarthHater

          Die hard and papabear: always there are two – a master and an apprentice.

        • Afinch

          Funny, goat.

    • Rebuilding

      Out of curiosity, is there an article or something you can point me to indicating Beane cultivated a culture of steroids in the locker room? I’m going to guess no since the A’s teams featuring McGwire and Canseco were in the late 80′s and early 90′s and Beane became General Manager in ’98. If you are going to smear someone at least get your facts straight

      • YourResidentJag

        Didn’t you watch the film Moneyball? Oh wait!

    • http://deepcenterfield.blogspot.com Jason Powers

      Sandy Alderson could be possibily attached to that comment. And he works in MLB’s front office (I forget what capacity.)

      • http://deepcenterfield.blogspot.com Jason Powers

        Then moved to New York…I forget that part. Not likely facts matter that much before in the assertion of Beane having something to do with it.

  • Roughriider

    I don’t like the idea of trading Schierholtz to a team in the National Central Devision. Keep him.

    • Roughriider

      I really miss the edit capability. SP error Division not Devision. Devision.

  • Ivy Walls

    The fans sure do love a good journeyman and don’t have any trust for the Front Office.

    Wonder if he is traded between DH’s of both teams.

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