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nate schierholtz cubsI don’t want to play the part of the sandy ostrich here, so I’ll acknowledge that, while I’ve maintained that Nate Schierholtz presents a great deal of value to the Chicago Cubs in 2014, it feels increasingly likely that he’ll actually be traded today.

Yesterday, there was a great deal of non-specific Schierholtz smoke, which, itself, came on the heels of phrases like “most likely the next to be traded” and the like. Now, Jayson Stark emphasizes that, as Deadline day unfolds, Schierholtz still appears the most likely Cub to be traded – even moreso than Kevin Gregg or James Russell.

If there’s a market at all for Gregg, I think he’s still clearly the most likely player to be traded on this roster. But, I suppose there is a possibility that his market has evaporated completely over the last few weeks thanks to some rough outings and several reliever moves in the last two days. If so, then maybe you would have to give it to Schierholtz.

The tricky parsing is whether Schierholtz being the most likely Cub to be moved necessarily means he’s likely to be moved. In theory, the most likely Cub to be moved could still have just a, say, 25% chance of being traded (with everyone else something less than 25%). But you wouldn’t say, definitionally, that the player was likely to be traded.

With Schierholtz, given what I expect are lofty trade demands (again, because of that sticky 2014 value thing), I never really felt comfortable saying the odds of a trade were much better than 50/50. And if Schierholtz is at 50/50, I tend to think Gregg remains more likely to be moved than that. I suppose I’m just having fun with numbers and gut checks.

In any event, the point remains: a huge number of sources seem to believe that the Cubs – who are expected to make some moves today – are likely to deal Schierholtz if they deal anyone at all.

Now we get to start really digging into what the expected return should be for a cheap, 1.5-year-controlled 29-year-old right fielder who plays good defense and runs the bases well, and who is hitting extremely well … but is doing so in a platoon, and as part of a career year. A couple top 10 organizational prospects? A top 80 to 100 overall prospect? That kind of feels like the range, but I’m going to have to dig in to determine whether that’s justifiable.

HOWEVA …

Ken Rosenthal just reported that a source tells him the Cubs are expected to deal Schierholtz or David DeJesus, with DeJesus perhaps more likely to be dealt. Rosenthal acknowledges Schierholtz’s value to the Cubs in 2014 (DeJesus is also under control for 2014, but likely at a higher salary ($6.5 million option), and is four years older than Schierholtz). The Pirates, Rosenthal says, are in on both outfielders.

Schierholtz likely brings you the better return now, so that’s a factor. But DeJesus is a great veteran presence to have on a young team. Having to choose is actually a tough call, and the Cubs will likely let the offers do the choosing for them. Where things would get really interesting is if the Cubs received great offers on both outfielders. Do they deal both, knowing that they’ve suddenly got to come up with at least two new outfielders next year (that’s assuming they believe Junior Lake is a legit starter)? Or do they feel like, in order to have a shot at being marginally competitive next year, they’ve got to start from a place where they still have at least one of those two guys?

  • Mason Asher

    I say trade them both if the package is right. I have faith in the FO. Haven’t been dissapointed yet.

  • DReese

    I feel like they can acquire some solid replacement OF’s in FA. I say deal them if the offers are right because neither of them are expected to be long term solutions (as in 3-5 years)

  • Cubbie Blues

    Ugh, dealing both would mean more Sappelt. Nobody wants that. Do they?

    • DReese

      For the rest of this year I’m fine with that. I know the FO won’t have him slotted to be a starter for next year.

    • gocatsgo2003

      Meh. Once everyone is healthy, it probably means more Sweeney and Bogusevic, both of whom have shown enough to at least get a chance to prove they’re worthy of another deal this offseason.

    • Jon

      I’d love another top 5 pick. I’m thinking a top college arm that should really go 2 or 3 but falls because of bonus demands.

      • DReese

        I can’t wait for MLBTR Reverse standings. I don’t think the Cubs can catch the astros, sox or Miami but, the #4 spot is up for grabs. Its gonna be a tight race.

        • TheDondino

          2.5 games out of the 4th pick, but 2 games out from the 14th pick. 11 teams all in a tight bunch there in mediocrity land.

          • On The Farm

            Its pretty competitive for that top pick. Both races are really heating up

        • Cubbie Blues

          No need to wait, here they are.

          http://www.fangraphs.com/depthcharts.aspx?position=Standings

          FG projects us to finish in 5th.

          • DReese

            Dang, that means we’re worse than last year.

            • cub4life

              according to that like it shows us in sixth, but with the possible upcoming trades i don’t see any reason why we can’t take fourth and maybe even third place….

          • On The Farm

            Its crazy to me, that never in MLB history had a team held back-to-back #1 overall picks until 2007 and 2008 when the Rays selected Price and Beckham. It then happened again when the Nationals selected Strasburg and Harper, and the final time in history when the Astro selected Corriea and Appel, but there is a real good chance that we see the first team to ever select #1 overall three times in a row.

            • Cubbie Blues

              Yes, the Astros really really suck. They currently have a 5 game lead, but are projected to have the 2nd pick losing out to the Marlins. It’s good to point out that preseason they predicted the Astros as the worst team by 4 games.

            • cubchymyst

              Likely a sign of the shift in strategy. If your going to rebuild don’t worry about the MLB team and focus on the Minors for a couple years.

              • Rcleven

                Houston has focused on their minors for a few years now and still are finishing at the bottom. Still don’t see them coming up for air any tim soon.

                • ssckelley

                  I don’t know about this, they have a handful of decent players they are developing on the major league roster and have a bunch still coming through the system. In a couple of years Houston might be able to make some noise. The way they are going about it is very similar to what the TB Rays and Washington did.

    • Bilbo161

      I wouldn’t mind keeping one, but if the return is too good to pass up at least we would be weakened to the point of assuring a protected draft pick. Then a FA outfield pick-up would only cost a 2nd rounder.

  • George Jetson

    This dejesus/schierholtz situation is too interesting for me to decide which way i want it to play out. Obviously dejesus provides quality at bats and the veteran presence in the clubhouse will help next year as the cubs try to be more competitive. Schierholtz is a bench player on most teams with the occasional pop and has a more team-friendly contract. I think it really depends on who offers what for both players.

  • Zorag

    Sigh. I just got up from a fantastic 8 hours of sleep and my not-yet-awake brain combined James Russel and Kevin Gregg to come up with Kevin James.

    Ok, so it was 5 hours, but still.

  • http://www.survivingthalia.com Mike Taylor (no relation)

    We have a smorgasbord of OFers, I’m sure Borbon/Lake/Gillespie would finish out the season if we were to trade away DeJesus and Schierholtz. Although, Jackson could get another cup of coffee in September.

    • On The Farm

      That outfield of Borbon/Lake/Gillespie just about made my stomach turn over. If the FO wants a top 5 pick, that is their best bet.

      • baldtaxguy

        Agreed. Warm bodies can be found in the system to play the outfield, but that’s not the threshold. But Sappelt and Borbon and Gillespie will make #5 very makeable (which is fine, just painful, or more painful)

    • ssckelley

      The Cubs have a “smorgasbord” of outfielders that are cast offs from other teams. Sweeney, Bogusevic, Borbon, Gillespie, and in the minors McDonald were players cut, waived, or granted free agency by their former team.

      But if the Cubs get a good return for either DeJesus, Schierholtz, or both I would not mind seeing a combination of these players in their spots. Bogusevic and Sweeney have looked decent in the limited time they have played. Also the Cubs will have tough choices to make on who to protect on the 40 man roster this offseason so giving Sappelt a last chance would be beneficial.

      • gocatsgo2003

        … each of whom have been pretty decent — Sweeney has a 133 OPS+ this year while Gillespie, Borbon, and Bogusevic have had a role coming off the bench. Unfortunately, they’ve been pushed into more playing time due to injuries. Nobody is going to mistake them for All-Stars, but they’ve at least been serviceable(ish).

    • kenster

      Finishing the season will be Lake Sweeney and Bogusevic.. bogie will prob come off the DL today after a trade and Sweeney is off at the end of August. And I do not like Gillespie..

  • Pete

    I think you could trade them both, especially if the FO feels they have a good chance to land Ellsbury in the offseason. What’s the word on Sweeney and Bogusevic’s rehab? Any timeline for a return yet? Also, how long is Bogusevic under team control and what are the chances of Sweeney signing with the Cubs for next year?

  • Starwin Bastro

    TANK FOR RODON!

    • ncsujuri

      That dude is a beast!

    • Bilbo161

      Not sure even the Cubs could be that bad the rest of the year. We would pick 7th right now.

    • Beer Baron

      I believe that’s what Castro was doing when he dropped what should have been the final out of game 2. I’ve got it…oops, I dropped it.

    • X the Cubs Fan

      We have to trade Russell, Dejesus, Schierholtz, Valbuena, Ransom, Gregg, Barney, Navarro, Villanueva and Gurrier. #SquanderinforRondon

    • Jon

      I don’t see any way we could get below Houston, and I don’t think Houston would pass on Rondon, no matter how crazy his demands are.

      • Jp3

        They will draft him then he won’t sign then the next year they’ll pick #1 and #2. Losers

    • Starwin Bastro

      I understand its unlikely but we do have the 6th hardest remaining schedule and of all the #1 pick “contenders” (right word?) its 2nd behind MIL who is only 2.5 games “ahead” (again right word?) us and who we have a 3-8 record against with 8 games remaining. #1 may not be possible but could sneak into Top 3 which puts us in Rodon contention. Also cannot understate importance of having large intl $$ which i understand we may have severe limitations, but if $800,000 can get a decent prospect such as Ronnie Torreyes then imagine what 4-4.5 million can help acquire

      • X The Cubs Fan

        Rondon, Beede and Touki Touissant should be the top 3 draft picks as of now but maybe someone takes Trea Turner in the top three and we have our choice.

        • gocatsgo2003

          Or maybe trying to guess the top three draft picks in next year’s draft at this point in time is a completely fruitless exercise?

    • hansman1982

      The Cubs won’t be picking 1st. They’d have to go 5-52 the rest of the way to match Houston (assuming they continue with .333 ball)

      Basically, the “best” we could hope for would be the #4 pick.

  • TheDondino

    Logan Watkins can play a little outfield, 6 games this year, more in the past. Maybe he gets the call if both DeJesus and Schierholtz are traded…already on the 40-man. At least until Bogusevic and Sweeney return from the DL.

    • On The Farm

      Bogie will be back pretty soon I would think. That would mean Borbon, Lake, Gillespie, Bogie already on the 25 man, and Sappelt would probably get called up before Watkins.

      • CubsFaninMS

        Meh. Sappelt.

  • Mak

    Lets say, hypothetically, DDJ and Schierholtz are traded. Any chance Szcuzr skips AAA to replace them? Already on 40 man, a lot of AA at bats, having a real good season.

    • On The Farm

      I would think it would be Sappelt and Bogie (activated from DL) until September

  • http://www.cwsnaturally.com Evolution

    If Schierholtz has value to us…if only for stability in the face of a youth movement, he HAS to have great value to a contender.

    I’m a huge fan of “good leadership guys”, but I also have to believe that this quality could also be replaced/enhanced during free agent season.

    I’d make a deal.

  • papabear

    Dejesus will not part of the 2015 season in anyway – Schierholtz could be – Think that a real good prospect would have to come back to get Schierholtz. Might be worth more to the Cubs long term than what the pirates are willing to give up.

  • ncsujuri

    TRADE ALL THE PLAYERS!!!!

    • baldtaxguy

      YEAH.

  • cubchymyst

    If both are traded that leaves Sweeney (I’d be okay with him not thrilled but okay), Bogusevic (He has 1 season of over 300 MLB at bats so not sure how he handle a full season), Lake (Exciting but still raw), Gillespie and Sappelt. That looks like a low power outfield the rest of the way out and the Cubs winning percentage would be down the rest of the season.

    • http://www.hookersorcake.com Hookers or Cake

      The Cubs would have to sign someone in the offseason if Schierholtz goes. Hell they probably need to sigh someone anyway. Our payroll will be down to 70 mil

  • ripiceman

    Seems that trading the one OF that nets the best return is the way to go. Cubs should also pick up this years salary if that helps. Though I’d normally advocate trading both, there might be value in keeping one around to help the kids as they come up.

    Seems like packaging Schierholtz and Russell to Pirates will net the best return. At this point, Cubs dont need more bodies, they need higher quality return.

    I’d also call Jon Daniels again and see if he needs another OFer since Cruz is about to be suspended. How about Schierholtz, Villaneuva and they can keep the PTBNL on the Garza deal for Neftali Feliz? I’ll throw in Barney if needed…

  • RoughRiider

    Both Dejesus and Schierholtz are good situational players and bring a lot to the team but are not the type of starters the Cubs need to take them to the level we would like to see them get to. If the Cubs can get a very good prospect or two, trade either or both. The Cubs need improvement at all positions 1-9.

  • Jim

    I say that if we trade DeJesus and/or Schierholtz then let the Matt Szczur era begin! He is on the 40 man roster and I would like to see what he can do. He definitely has a major league ready glove, but can he hit up here?

    • PKJ

      If he could sustain that .350-ish OBP, that’d be cool, but that ISO of .085 this year is pathetic. If only he could hit a few more doubles and get into the double-digit homer range. Tall order.

    • RoughRiider

      He’s (Szczur) only hitting .219 for July in AA. He needs to get back on track and spend some time in Iowa. Supposedly he has an “unorthodox” swing that hopefully he and the batting coaches are working on. Not ready for prime time player.

  • http://www.hookersorcake.com Hookers or Cake

    Szczur is not really hitting in AA .709 OPS with 2 Hrs in 400 Abs. Even worse last year.

    • Jim

      I don’t think you expect Szczur to hit for power. He has a decent OBP and 20 stolen bases. Over 40 stolen bases last year. That is what you expect from him to go along with a great glove in CF..

      • On The Farm

        Julio Borbon can do the same thing and he is already on the big league club

        • gocatsgo2003

          OK? Borbon is also arbitration eligible this year, so it might make some sense to just slot Szczur into that role and get a little younger (although not much).

          • On The Farm

            The Cubs obviously acquired Borbon to see what he can do, I can’t see why if they trade DDJ that they would call up and start Szczur’s arbitration clock when he hasn’t seen a single AB in AAA, when you have someone who can do the exact same thing in the MLB.

        • CubsFaninMS

          Believe it or not, Julio Borbon was a highly-ranked prospect a few of years ago.

          • On The Farm

            That is my point, we already know that Borbon can play good D, has the speed to swipe a bag, and won’t give you a lot of power. Where is Szczur’s track record of doing that in the majors, where is his track record of being able to do that at AAA? It doesn’t make sense to call a guy up, start his clock, and hope he can give you the same production as someone you already have on the 25 man.

            • Cubbie Blues

              How much longer until Szczur is eligible for the Rule 5 draft?

              • RoughRiider

                Since he’s on the 40 man roster that’s not an issue.

                • Cubbie Blues

                  Very true, wasn’t thinking about that. But, how much longer do we want to carry him on the 40 without knowing what he has? I foresee a possible cup of coffee even this year.

              • On The Farm

                He is already on the 40 man roster so he is protected

              • ssckelley

                Until whenever the Cubs decide to remove him from the 40 man roster. He is protected right now.

              • Cubbie Blues

                I get it, I get it. Sheesh. I guess I’ll pile on myself as well.

                [img]http://media.giphy.com/media/ifyGzt0yjYdSE/200_s.gif[/img]

                • RoughRiider

                  Think of it as a lot of people on, because of the deadline, that wan’t to help. I’d like to see a guy like Szczur (good character)make it. He’s just not ready in my humble opinion.

                • ssckelley

                  Sorrry, but in my defense when I was typing my response I did not see the other 2 responses. This is where a delete option would come in handy.

            • Rebuilding

              Szczur is in no way, shape or form ready to play in the major leagues. He would be embarrassed far worse than Vitters and Jackson. And I think it’s pretty apparent what Borbon is – a decent glove, no stick, pinch running 5th OF

              • Jp3

                Borbon is…the down payment in the Garza trade😝

                • Jp3

                  Like an awesome car down payment commercial, “$0 down no payments for 6 months!”

          • ssckelley

            Being a highly ranked prospect means very little. Bogusevic is a former first round draft pick, Sweeney made the top 100 list 3 years in a row, Szczur was a top 100 prospect in 2012, heck even minor league McDonald was a top 100 prospect for 2 years in a row (#21 in 1998).

            • CubsFaninMS

              I agree. If Borbon was Texas’ #9 prospect in 2009 and Szczur is arguably in our Top 20, it helps put things into perspective a little.

      • http://www.hookersorcake.com Hookers or Cake

        His 346 OBP is decent for a good glove CF with almost zero power, but thats his highwater mark in AA ball. And his 20 SB are only at an inefficient 66%, also his lifetime SB% in the minors. He’s Darwin Barney in CF right now if he’s lucky – only with less power.
        P.S. Dave Sappelt’s number. in AA .361.416.548 =.964OPS – 9hrs 15 SB in 330 Ab’s

        No use rushing Szczur – He should start at AAA next year

      • Kyle

        I don’t think you can expect either a decent OBP or great CF defense (by MLB standards) for him.

  • CubsFaninMS

    Schierholtz had a breakout year and, although in a “platoony” sort of way, experienced legitimate major league success so far this season. I disagree that he would be a fourth outfielder on most MLB teams. His production is solid compared to your average outfielder (not sure how to look those numbers up). He’s cost-controlled for a year and a half and hasn’t fallen back down to earth this season like Valbuena has. I think you can easily make the argument that his current production can be maintained into 2014. I would expect a B-rated prospect in the Top 10 organizational and two more B- to C+ Top 10-20 organizational for a Schierholtz/Gregg return. I believe Sweeney and Bogusevic can be next year’s Schierholtz, both have shown promise. If the return is right, I say they trade Schierholtz and Dejesus now, although Dejesus’ consistent production across his Major League career make him less of a gamble. With one year of control left after this season, the offseason might be a good time to shop him, certainly if we’re in the Ellsbury sweepstakes.

    If all the cards fall correctly (which is always difficult to predict), we can have an outfield of Lake, Ellsbury, Sweeney and (4th) Bogusevic as well as an EXTREMELY Top 20 prospects list heading into 2014.

    • CubsFaninMS

      **EXTREMELY exciting

    • Dave

      I have a hard time seeing Lake as a regular in the majors next season.
      I think some people may be assuming way too much in what amounted to one hot week

      • Kyle

        This. Lake does not currently project to be an acceptable MLB regular.

        • DarthHater

          I’m not listening!

          [img]http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2011/04/04/1226033/495491-boy-with-fingers-inb-ears.jpg[/img]

        • YourResidentJag

          Neither does Garcia….someone should have told the White Sox this.

          • TWC

            Dude, Garcia’s been dead since ’95. *sniff*

            • YourResidentJag

              I’ll will get by…though…I will survive. :)

              • YourResidentJag

                *I

                • FFP

                  Is it bad that I have Gloria Gaynor singing in my mind (instead of the Dead) now? I blame the typo.

                  • YourResidentJag

                    Yeah, I can’t even get the lyric right. PFFFTTT!

      • CubsFaninMS

        He’s certainly a high risk. In that case, we have a serviceable Bogusevic waiting to step into the third outfielder spot.

  • Rebuilding

    If I were a Pirate fan I would be all for trading one of Glasnow, Hansen or Polanco to get the pieces we need. Once you are in Year 30 of a rebuild I think you just have to go for it

  • Crockett

    “Still think Cubs are moving Schieholtz. Still hearing a pretty good return. You’ll like it.”

    I asked him about his thoughts on the Tigers/White Sox deal…he never answers these questions and never gives specifics:

    “Wow…just….wow.”

    • JB88

      Is that a good “wow … just … wow” or a bad one? I have my own opinion but curious how you are interpreting his. TIA.

      • Crockett

        Yeah…id have to say the Twins are pretty happy today.

        • YourResidentJag

          I’d have to say the Twins are ecstatic!

  • Jacob w

    just read someone comment on MLBTR that it is being reported in the Pittsburgh media that there is concern with Nate’s shoulder.

  • baldtaxguy

    I would think that if one or both are traded, we will get good value, so I’m not concerned either way, one or both.

    What I prefer (does that matter?) is we keep both as stabilizing, veteran influence for the yout for 2014 – I like how both go about their business, I like that they are both good defensively, I like that they take walks, etc.

  • Bilbo161

    Hard to see what we really have coming up through the system till some of the best get to AAA. Can’t wait until Szczur, Andreoli, Baez, Alcantara, Villanueva, etc are only one step away in AAA.

  • Vulcan

    Trade one, keep the other.

  • ngl89

    If they were to deal both DDJ and Nate I wouldn’t mind adding Ty Wright to the 40 man and letting him play right for the rest of the year. The guy has done everything the organization has asked him to do. I know he isn’t the answer but what would it hurt? Give the guy a reward for doing everything right when we aren’t going anywhere anyway.

    • Jed Jam Band

      Fair point.

      • Eternal Pessimist

        You really don’t want to waste a 40 man spot on a guy that doesn’t really offer any long term value to the big league club. The 40 man spots will be used on players that need to be protected from the rule-5 draft.

  • RIPAtticusFinch

    Hate to see Kim…er…David DeJesus leave us…

    • Cubs Fan in STL

      Trade DDJ, keep Kim!

    • Jed Jam Band

      Kim brings back, what? A top-10 organizational prospect at least, right?

      • TWC

        Aren’t you the guy who was complaining about how you cannot abide sexism on the boards yesterday? And here you are, jumping on the objectify-theplayer’s-wife bandwagon. Odd.

        • Jed Jam Band

          Oh, it’s totally wrong. I’m even calling myself on it. There will be this on the boards, for sure, but you’re totally right and I’m not even going to try to say anything else. I lose sight of it for a few seconds sometimes.

          • Jed Jam Band

            Which, as I said, is not a defense. Just me being wrong.

  • Ivy Walls

    First I don’t think Cubs will trade both, and I think or project that they would rather move Schierholtz for a number of reasons;

    A) DeJesus is more versatile in the OF and less platooney at the plate.
    B) Schierholtz should bring more prospect value especially if packaged with a player or PTBNL (Vitters or BJax or McNutt),

    Pitt has two or three players in that category, though Hansen is in the TOP 50 and just promoted, Polanco is ranked in the Top 20 and probably would require the Cubs to move one of their own prospects, something that only a discerning GM FO would do. The others are Heredia and Glasnow which fits Cubs appetite to continue to add pitchers.

    Rangers are the other team or partner I bet are in the mix in that they are going to lose Cruz from now on. (FA like him and Perolta at Detroit will not be resigned from their parent club I believe), so I think Rangers are looking to solve their RF and possible leadoff spot which brings in DeJesus.

    They have a catcher Alfaro (in the top 60) and Sardinas (Top 80).

    Now after we have seen Castro not develop and actually fall back where he needs to be shaken up over the winter being traded Cubs could be looking at another middle IF’er like Hansen or Sardinas to compete with Baez.

    Castro has to make that catch
    Castro has to make that play
    Castro has to improve
    Castro must get better

    • gocatsgo2003

      Let’s just go ahead and overlook the fact that Castro is batting .280/.327/.420 over the last four weeks… and is still 23 years old… and the fact that he is on a contract that will in all likelihood be pretty “team friendly” until about 2018 at worst (when he makes $10MM)… let’s instead focus on an ill-timed error in a lost season and proclaim that he should be traded in the offseason. That’s the ticket.

      • Feeney

        It was also an unlucky error as far as I am concerned. Yes, he should have made the play. But sometimes a swing looks like it will produce a hard hit ball and then doesn’t. And outfielder usually has time to adjust. Take a couple steps back, realize it’s a flair and come in to make the grab. An infielder doesn’t have that time. Castro thought it was a hard hit liner, reacted in a short period of time and dove. He then realized he didn’t need to dive and had to adjust to make the grab. Hit his glove and he still should have had it. But that’s not a mental error. It’s a slightly unlucky physical error.

        • ssckelley

          It was and the one thing Castro has been very good at this year is catching the ball, he makes that play 99.9% of the time. Had the ump got the call right on the previous batter the game would have been over at that point anyway.

    • mudge

      DDJ is just as platoony, and you’ve got Lake/Sweeney in center.

    • mdavis

      DeJesus is less platoony? He’s terrible against LHP. I don;t think that’s where the seperation is.

    • wilbur

      Castro thinks he is better than he is, he plays like his good plays make up for all his bad ones. Instead, he just winds up being a team 0 contributer with a bad attitude.

      You don’t have to look any further than the number he wears; he doesn’t care and thinks he is great enough to not worry about wearing 13. But his play doesn’t show it, and he is doing it in a sport known for it’s superstitions, how do you think his teammates view number 13 when he is dropping soft liners while making unnecessary showboat dives for the ball?

      Not to mention being on a team that hasn’t won for over a hundred years and has occupied it’s fans during this abysmal stretch with lame lore about curses. How smart is it to wear 13 on that team? How good do you need to play to pull that off, Castro isn’t even close to that good. Maybe Crane Kenny can hire a priest to excorcise the team dummy. I can forgive his poor play, but if the only thing you are consistent at is being a blockhead then may need to deal him to some less visible small market team. Cubs will have too much invested to tolerate this “stuff” from a player.

      • Kyle

        Starlin Castro is a selfish, zero-contribution, non-team player because he wears the No. 13.

        That is an all-timer. Thank you for this.

        • RoughRiider

          triskaidekaphobic

          • DarthHater

            Hey, no need to bring anybody’s sexual preferences into this. :-P

        • DocPeter Wimsey

          This is a new high, er, new low… Um, we have a new benchmark!

        • Edwin

          Simple solution, give him #14. Problem fixed.

      • http://www.viewfromthebleachers.com Norm

        Agreed. That is a hilarious post. Bravo.

      • DarthHater

        [img]http://weknowmemes.com/generator/uploads/generated/g1375283836843593771.jpg[/img]

        • YourResidentJag

          Yes. :)

        • Vulcan

          Nice.

        • RoughRiider

          Where do I “Like” this ?

      • Vulcan

        Are you really criticizing Castro for the number on his jersey? Wearing #13 means absolutely nothing.

        • jh03

          Sure it does.. it means nobody else on the team can wear #13.. lol

          • hansman1982

            And there is a slight chance that no other Cub, ever, will be able to wear that number!

            • jh03

              I was going to say that, but I figured I’d get attacked by trolls!

              • trolls

                attack!

                • jh03

                  See, there it is. It’s like crossing a bridge.. you know the trolls are lurking… just waiting for their chance…. and BOOM they attack!

                  • trolls

                    you have to pay the troll toll if you want to get this boy’s soul

                  • ssckelley

                    Do trolls attack other trolls?

                    • trolls

                      only to avoid being caught in the sunlight, or over how to cook and eat a hobbit.

                    • DarthHater

                      Mmmmmm, burrahobbit! That’s good eatin’!

                    • davidalanu

                      Yes, unless he’s a “made” troll, in which case you gotta get permission.

                  • MichiganGoat

                    This is why it’s good to have a goat around… we have protected the world and especially bridges from trolls since the dawn of time.

                    • DarthHater

                      [img]http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8374/8600298085_06f190135f_m.jpg[/img]

                    • jh03

                      That’s a fantastic point. Maybe Brett needs to invest in multiple goats for the site. One goat can only get rid of so many trolls…

                    • DarthHater

                      We already have a Michigan Goat, a Korean Goat, and a Vegas Goat…

                    • Gandalf

                      or a well timed arrival from a wizard

                    • MichiganGoat

                      That’s why we have a Sith Lord

                    • I Eat Goats for Dinner

                      I will defend the trolls from these awfuls goats!

                    • jh03

                      It sounds like we’re going to have a war on our hands… Trolls and goat haterz vs mythical creatures and variously located goats.

                      My money is on the mythical creatures.. Harry Potter is bound to show up and own some trolls at some point.

                    • Harry Potter

                      I am here to fight the troll! Did someone call for me?

                    • jh03

                      I knew it. Fight over.

                    • Voldemort

                      I can’t let Harry fight the trolls! I have come with dragons and Death Eaters

                    • MichiganGoat

                      Bring it on troll boy

                    • jh03

                      Harry already beat Voldemort… even if it was because of some stupid Horcrux BS…

                    • trolls

                      I am bringing all 12 tribe of Israel to come and sacrifice the goats

                    • castro is the best cub of all time, ever

                      game over

                    • DocPeterWimsey

                      And then the sun rose….

                    • hansman1982

                      As King Regent of The Cubs Calendar Trivia Empire I approve of all of this infighting

                      …shit, I am a nerd.

                • ssckelley

                  I send my Gnome in to defend against the attack!

                  • DarthHater

                    Nerd alert! :-P

                    • ssckelley

                      Where? I shall sleigh them with my Texas Instrument Pocket Calculator!

                    • gocatsgo2003

                      (Response to ssckelley)

                      Sleigh them with your TI? Sounds like the worst Christmas ride EVER.

                    • I brought my white wig so that I can judge you

                      I bet your favorite band is Sleigher

                  • trolls

                    well play sir, well played.

                  • ssckelley

                    Damn autocorrect, I blame Apple!!!!!

            • Edwin

              I wonder if there’s ever been a player on a team so bad that the team retired the number out of shame.

              • hansman1982

                We will find out, what number does Dale wear?

              • Jed Jam Band

                What number did Mather wear last year?

                • Edwin

                  Ha, 21, wasn’t it?

                  • Jed Jam Band

                    NOOOOOOOOO! See, that’s why we need to retire 21. That’s Sammy’s # and I don’t wanna ever see another Joe Mather type wearing it.

                • ssckelley

                  Hey, don’t make fun of Mather! Last year at this time he was our leadoff guy.

                  • Jed Jam Band

                    That’s exactly why I’m going to make fun of him.

                  • Jp3

                    He was our captain scrappy and KING OF AVERAGE JOE’s!

      • On The Farm

        Wait until this dude finds out what number Lake wears..

        • Jed Jam Band

          That actually makes me a sad. I grew up watching Sammy, he’s still my favorite player, and I desperately want to see him get that number retired. He’ll always be a Cubs great to me.

          • kmr1453

            I thought I was the only one who stilled loved Sammy. Glad to hear I am not

            • Jed Jam Band

              Not the only one. I love Sammy. Corked bat and all. He’ll always be my favorite, man.

              • Cubbie Blues

                [img]http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18dvjv90geoewjpg/medium.jpg[/img]

        • ssckelley

          I was thinking the same thing. OMG Lake is wearing #21!!!!!

          • On The Farm

            Like who does Junior Lake think he is?

            • ssckelley

              Well the least they could do is let Lake use Sammy’s old batting practice bats, they have to be around somewhere.

              • Jed Jam Band

                Or they could just bring Sammy back as an ambassador to the team and have these guys talk to him and stuff. I mean, for most of these guys, Sammy is an idol.

                • ssckelley

                  Oh yes, we need players like Lake getting tips from Sammy. That is almost as great of an idea as making Pete Rose Jr a manager of a minor league team.

                  • Jed Jam Band

                    Comparing Sammy to Pete Rose is kinda harsh, don’t you think? I mean, betting on the games vs. MAYBE taking steroids? No contest in my mind. Also, I’m not saying taking tips necessarily, but if he did, it wouldn’t bother me. Remember how alienating being a foreign-born player can be. Having someone who has been through that as a friend and mentor can be really good for a young player.

                    • ssckelley

                      Pete Rose Jr, not Senior. You know the guy who got jail time for “hooking” up minor leaguers? That same guy who is managing in the W’Sox rookie team.

                      My trolling is off today.

                • Eternal Pessimist

                  I’d prefer the Cubs continue to have former players with integrity as ambassadors. Sammy was self-centered, a poor-teamate, and a cheater. Thanks anyway, but…pass.

                  • Edwin

                    Yes. Guys like Ferguson Jenkins, Mark Grace, or Ryne Sandberg. You know. Class acts.

      • Jed Jam Band

        Ugh, really. This is seriously something someone believes?

        • hansman1982

          Well, there are folks who DON’T believe that aliens built the Pyramids, so, I guess anything is possible.

          • Jed Jam Band

            Not sure what to believe on that. Just such a bizarre theory. The kind of thing that makes you stop and say “WHAT? REALLY?” because it initially seems so out there. That being said, however you believe, Erich Von Daniken is a pretty intelligent dude.

      • Carew

        wow…somebody is a little too superstitious, to the point of nonsense

      • cb
    • Rcleven

      Come on. Step back from the edge of the cliff.
      Ya Castro could caught that ball last night. He was not and I repeat he was not the reason for the loss.
      So many things went wrong. The Cubs had scoring opportunity’s they didn’t cash in on.
      With a lead the the missed ball goes unnoticed.
      If Castro goes 3 for 4 it makes him a hero? No.
      He’s not having a great year but you can’t judge him on one bad part of a season. Everything gets magnified with Castro because he’s the face of the team.
      Does Shark get traded because he blows up in four innings?

      • Jed Jam Band

        Hell, Shark doesn’t even get the same kind of criticism if he blows up. Castro is a lightning rod for media ire.

        • Kyle

          Funny how often that happens to Hispanic players in this local media.

          • TWC

            If only he’d have hustled more he would have caught that ball.

            • MichiganGoat

              Not enough Scrappy BellyFire

            • DocPeterWimsey

              No, it was too much scrappy bellyfire! If Castro had not dove, then he probably would have caught the ball. I’m sure that it’s some minority thing, trying too hard to make it flashy and all of that, and clearly not what our Founding Fathers had in mind for shortstops…… [/sarcasm]

          • Jed Jam Band

            Anyone who thinks racism is dead…is wrong.

            • MichiganGoat

              Agreed, we still have a long way to go… just look at public education and the new segregation that been happening.

            • YourResidentJag

              Racism has taken on the less overt kind and changed to the subtle more institutionalized kind.

              • MichiganGoat

                Exactly!

            • CubsFaninMS

              Racism is not dead.. but hypersensitive mainstream media types refuse to acknowledge the rather large difference between racism and ethnocentrism, which is most definitely prevalent in all sub-sectors of society (including minorities).

              Not sure what the racism bit is on public education. I guess there’s a wide variance in perspectives on the issue.

          • Cedlandrum

            Bingo!!!!!

        • YourResidentJag

          The Ramirez hate and indignation has moved to Castro.

        • MichiganGoat

          Now that Soriano is gone Castro becomes the new ***sigh*** scapegoat.

          • Freshness21

            Sad, but true. Even sadder is the fact that Castro is not as well equipped to handle the scrutiny as Soriano. Soriano was a pro. Castro is still a kid and now his best mentor is gone. Hope this doesn’t stunt his development. I can see the Cubs picking up a solid veteran this offseason (maybe a middle infielder type journeyman) who can help Castro figure out how to become a pro and put all of his tools to their best potential.

  • CubsFaninMS

    Here’s an interesting little tidbit of information…

    What two players are ranked as the highest Pitchers per At Bat on the Cubs team this year?

    Dejesus? No. Valbuena? No.

    Starlin Castro is ranked #18 in the NL. Anthony Rizzo ranked #34. That is a talented list of names in the top 40.

    • cubzfan

      Link?

      (Also, I think you meant “pitches” per at bat.)

      • CubsFaninMS

        My first link post so… here goes… (And yes on the “pitches” correction)

        [img]http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting/_/league/nl/sort/pitchesPerPlateAppearance/type/expanded[/img]

        • CubsFaninMS

          Or Google “Pitches per at bat” and choose the first ESPN.go link.

  • YourResidentJag

    Uh-oh. Call out the Castro police…Rozner on the Score right now said Castro should have made that play. Yeah, it’s Rozner.

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