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musclesToday, MLB is expected to hand down its Biogenesis-related suspensions, which, outside of Alex Rodriguez (expected later), will come in the form of agreed 50-game suspensions.

According to reports, there are a few new names:

  • Nelson Cruz, Texas Rangers outfielder.
  • Everth Cabrera, San Diego Padres shortstop.
  • Jhonny Peralta, Detroit Tigers shortstop.
  • Antonio Bastardo, Philadelphia Phillies reliever.
  • Jordany Valdespin, New York Mets outfielder.
  • Francisco Cervelli, Yankees catcher.
  • Jesus Montero, Seattle Mariners catcher.
  • Cesar Puello, New York Mets outfield prospect.
  • Fautino De Los Santos, San Diego Padres pitching prospect.
  • Sergio Escalona, Houston Astros pitching prospect.
  • Fernando Martinez, New York Yankees outfield prospect.
  • Jordan Norberto, free-agent pitcher.

The biggest names in the group were already known, and, as you can see, there are no Cubs. This, together with Ryan Braun’s suspension and Rodriguez’s anticipated suspension, marks a pretty gigantic moment in baseball’s drug history.

Also, Rangers: are you sure you didn’t want to pick up an outfielder at the Trade Deadline?

For the record, no vacationing was interrupted in the making of this post. Both kiddos are napping, and The Wife is out shopping. I was left to my own devices, so to speak.

  • cerambam

    A pleasant surprise post.

  • http://www.survivingthalia.com Mike Taylor (no relation)

    I’d say Valdespin wasn’t a surprise, he came on strong and then fell off the map.

    • Nedskid

      How much does the clubhouse dislike this guy now? He was already shunned by the entire team early on for childish behavior. Now he’s a cheater too…it’s sad.

  • Mason Asher

    Obviously these drugs don’t boost performance all the time. Over half those guys haven’t been very productive.

    • TSB

      Some guy bats .150 without going on the needle; bats .200 after. Peds worked, but not enough.

      • CubsFaninMS

        I’m unsure that even PCP would help that dude out.

        • waittilthisyear

          ashy larry

    • Eternal pessemist

      …but may have been absolutely lousy without the doping.

    • frank

      For a number of them, it’s just making a roster. Big difference between major league pay and minor league pay.

  • J

    i thought he was on vacation?

  • Bilbo161

    He just can’t do it. Still too young to appreciate relaxation for longer periods of time.

  • cerambam

    Just when he thought he was out… we pulled him back in.

  • Patrick G

    I kept checking the site knowing nothing would be posted and bam, new post. Now I’m going to keep checking but probably won’t get anymore :( enjoy the vacation

    • Cyranojoe

      My thoughts exactly!

  • ssckelley

    2 Yankees and a former top Yankee catching prospect Jesus Montero are on the list. I imagine the pressure to succeed must be a lot higher in New York (2 Mets on the list as well).

    • CubsFaninMS

      You know? We can (legimitately) gripe about Alfonso Soriano’s shortcomings as a player, certainly during the Hendry era, but one thing he has never been is a cheater. At least to anyone’s knowledge. Natural talent. That’s something Canseco, Palmeiro, McGwire, and Sosa can’t say.

      • Jon

        You don’t know that for sure.

        • CubsFaninMS

          Nope, we don’t know if Tony Campana hasn’t either though. We could go way down that road. Little Tony’s leg routine could’ve been “juiced up” a little to where he’s running like the Road Runner, you never know.

        • Chet Masterson

          Nor do I know if you’re not a murderer. Be advised – I’ve got my eye on you.

        • gutshot5820

          Nothing is 100 percent certain but my opinion is that during his prime years, Soriano had way more talent and power than Sosa. If Soriano was on roids he would have hit 60 to 70 bombs a year instead of just now being in reach of 400 homeruns.

      • scorecardpaul

        I am still very amazed when people say stupid stuff like this. You have no way of knowing that person X did or didn’t use peds. please enlighten me as to why you think one did and the other didn’t.

        • ssckelley

          I guess I am just an innocent until proven guilty type of guy. Soriano has never been linked to PED use and unless something comes out it should be assumed he hasn’t used PED.

        • CubsFaninMS

          Forgive me for my “stupid stuff”. Sorry to make you discombobulated.

          Soriano’s numbers have been relatively consistent over the span of his entire career, although he had a handful of exceptional years during his peak years. When someone is suspected of breaking a rule or law, I thought the burden of proof is to prove guilt, not the reverse. So should we now assume that all players are on PEDs until proven otherwise? Quite a negative outlook you have. My point remains: Soriano has played through the heights of the steroids era with no accusations, even during his year with 47 home runs.

          I truly hope you do not practice law.

          • CubsFaninMS

            ** Consider yourself enlightened.

      • Blublud

        The sad part, if Sori had retired with the same exact numbers he has now 25 years ago, he be possibly a Hall of Famer. The steroid idiots messed that up.

        • Cyranojoe

          If he’d accepted a trade to a decent AL team 3-4 years ago I think he’d have a decent argument for HoF as a DH. Dude has such a great bat, but his fielding problems, caused more by injury than I think we realized at the time, really harm any candidacy he might have… which probably isn’t much, but anyway…

  • Chris K

    Honest Selig is a joke and these suspensions are a joke. The evidence was paid for and is mostly hand written on pieces of paper that he could of made up at any time. If the guys cheated then its no big deal to suspend them, good for you for suspending them, but when you essentially force them to accept the suspensions without appeal, thats messed up. The MLB threatened these players with harsher punishment if they appeal is ridiculous. It is their right to appeal just like it would be any of our rights to appeal a court case. They should not have been threatened with harsher punishment for doing so. Selig must go for baseball to get better.

    • Billy

      Agree completely. A failed drug test is one thing, but suspending somebody because somebody at a clinic said they were using PED’s is wrong. It sets a bad precedent.

      • TSB

        But suppose they knew they were guilty? Wouldn’t fessing up and taking your punishment be the stand up thing to do ?

        • Billy

          That’s a bit of a stretch, no? Every hitter who’s ever glanced back at a catchers signal or pitchers who’s thrown a Vaseline ball should then be inclined to do the same?

          • mak

            Surely you have the intellect to distinguish between looking at a catcher’s signals (gamesmanship) versus injecting drugs in order to alter one’s biological profile, right?

          • Hee Seop Chode

            peeking at a catcher has a different effect on the sport than loading up with every drug you can find and hitting 70 HR in one season.

            • Billy

              You’re all talking about cheating, and technically that is cheating. So is pine tar too high up on your bat and other such things. I also personally couldn’t care less if players are using PED’s. Complete non-issue to me. But my entire point is you cannot suspend somebody who has never failed a drug test simply on heresay

              • mjhurdle

                actually, technically, there is no rule against stealing signs, either from the batter’s box or from the OF/basepaths/bullpen/anywhere.

                So peeking at the catcher is not even remotely close to PEDs.

                just FYI.

      • Eternal pessemist

        …and where is it written that the only valid evidence is blood testing? What amout multiple eyewitness accounts, clinic records, etc…

        • wvcubsfan

          Is it written that any reason other than a failed test is acceptable? If so then I’ve got no problems with this.

          • bbmoney

            From the CBA (indirectly..I pulled the language quoted in a fangraphs article…good one to read)…JDA = Joint Drug Agreement

            “Section 7(A) of the JDA states:

            A player who tests positive for a Performance Enhancing Substance, or otherwise violates the Program through the possession or use of a Performance Enhancing Substance, will be subject to the discipline set forth below. (emphasis mine) 1. First violation: 50-game suspension; 2. Second violation: 100-game suspension; 3. Third violation: Permanent suspension from Major League and Minor League Baseball.”

            Clear as mud. Players can be suspended without a positive test if baseball can prove they possessed or used the drugs through means other than a positive test.

    • On The Farm

      “The MLB threatened these players with harsher punishment if they appeal is ridiculous. It is their right to appeal just like it would be any of our rights to appeal a court case”

      You act like DA’s never offer plea bargins..

      • Chris K

        It is not a plea deal, they got the harshest punishment that they should of got as first time offenders and were threatened with more for appealing. That would be like someone who robs a store being offered the exact punishment they should receive, but if they fight it in court they are getting life in prison. Come on, open your eyes, it wasn’t a plea deal, they weren’t offered any deal at all. They were just bullied into not appealing.

        • On The Farm

          Well the thought is that they are “pleaing” to get the 50 game suspension which is what they would have gotten for first time offense, you are correct in that respect. However, as I understand it, if they would have appealed, baseball would have come after them not under the PED agreement and under the umbrella of defacing (or something to this effect) of MLB. So in fact the MLB said you can take a 50 game suspension which is what you deserve, or we can come after you for making MLB look bad. MLB doesn’t want to come after them for “defacing baseball” because they appreciate the Player’s union’s cooperation in getting drugs out of baseball.

          • Chris K

            But that is exactly my point, they were bullied. It should be their right to appeal without then being hit for worse punishment. The suspension is fine, no problem with it at all. But then to say oh if you appeal which is supposed to be your right, now you are defacing baseball, that is downright bs. Selig has now lost what little respect he still had left. If he had just suspended them and then they could appeal if they felt like that’s what they wanted to do, then no big deal to me at all. This though is a big deal, people are saying the evidence must of been overpowering, well besides agains Braun, I don’t think it was and that is the exact reason that Selig is trying to prevent them from appealing by threatening them. Do you really believe that if Selig was not threatening all of them to lose twice as much money that every single one of them would of let this go? Peralta and Cruz would of fought it just to make sure they can help their teams try to win a World Series. Now I am not saying that’s the right reason to appeal, but they have the right to appeal, or at least they are supposed to have that right. None of them appealed because they don’t want the 100 game suspension and the loss of money that comes with it if they were to lose the appeal.

            • On The Farm

              First off if they thought they had a case to win, I am pretty sure these players would be fighting the suspension regardless of baseball’s threats. The MLB came to the players with the evidence they have and said you can take a 50 game plea bargin or you can get more. It happens all the time in the courtroom. Its not bullying when a DA gives a plea bargin in a criminal trial. The “guilty” look at the amount of evidence against them and take the deal, if they think they can fight it and get rid of the charges, they plea not guilty. Welcome to America.

    • Scotti

      “The MLB threatened these players with harsher punishment if they appeal is ridiculous. It is their right to appeal just like it would be any of our rights to appeal a court case.”

      This happens in our judicial system thousands of times a day. It’s called a plea bargain.

      • Scotti

        Boy was I late on that…

        • On The Farm

          Only ten minutes ;)

      • Chris K

        It is not a plea deal, they got the harshest punishment that they should of got as first time offenders and were threatened with more for appealing. That would be like someone who robs a store being offered the exact punishment they should receive, but if they fight it in court they are getting life in prison. Come on, open your eyes, it wasn’t a plea deal, they weren’t offered any deal at all. They were just bullied into not appealing.

        • jj

          I am sure you are aware that the punishment of 50 games only applies to the failed drug tests. Individuals caught through other means are subject to discipline outside that structure (and without set boundaries). So, the players were not accepting the harshest punishment — a fact the players union accepted (see, Ryan Braun accepting 65 game suspension for first offense (yest, it is a first offense, the prior ‘offense’ does not count towards his penalty)). Separately, prosecutors do, in fact, make deals where the other side waives appeal in return for a set punishment (this also happens in civil cases — even after a jury verdict).

        • Chef Brian

          I guess they should have been let off with a slap on the wrist? If they were innocent they could’ve rolled the dice on an appeal, no matter what Bud threatened. I doubt the evidence is as flimsy as people think or simply just circumstantial since the cheaters are lining up to sign up for a suspension. Historically, the PED users just deny unequivocally no matter what the evidence, regardless what the potential outcome to their careers, their families, the fans, etc. Why is this situation different, all of a sudden the players are frightened of Bud? Maybe they are cheaters, and chose to take their punishments now. Not poor innocent, rubes, getting railroaded by the man.

    • Eternal pessemist

      They CAN appeal, but chose a smarter path since the evidence of their cheating is not easily disputed.

      • caryatid62

        How do you know?

        • Eternal Pessimist

          I don’t “know”, but it can be easily deduced based on the willingness of a dozen guys to accept a 50 game suspension…that or they were all hypnotized (along with their agents and lawyers).

          • caryatid62

            Or it made a lot of financial sense to take the suspension now (in a year when they were making less money and/or entering free agency) than next year. There’s a lot of reasons why a guy would take the suspension now, not just quantity or quality of evidence.

    • mak

      Have you considered the possibility that the evidence MLB has is so overwhelming and damaging to the player’s and their reputations that the players are glad to take not appeal the suspensions in exchange for the evidence to remain sealed?

      I’d think if the evidence was flimsy enough, there’d be a push back from the union.

    • http://www.hookersorcake.com Hookers or Cake

      So does anyone honestly think a player would accept a 50 game suspension if they were not guilty?

      • DarthHater

        Ian Stewart might. :-D

  • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

    Brett, you really shouldn’t post shirtless pictures of yourself on the internet like that. People might get the wrong idea.

    • cerambam

      Luke with a little comedic relief. This thread needed that.

    • cubchymyst

      Guessing from the Vine videos from the blog-a-thon I didn’t think Brett could get that tan. Guess I was wrong and he is getting more sun than expected on the vacation.

      • hansman1982

        Spray tan. If Brett got that much sun, he’d combust.

  • Vulcan

    I would like to see A-Rod banned for life.

    • jj

      Only if the Yankees have to remain liable for the contract — signing a known PED user should result in some consequence for the team if the player is (again) caught using PEDs.

      • ssckelley

        I agree, that is the only reason why I do not want to see ARod get a lifetime ban. To me it does not seem fair for the Yankees to be let off the hook for that much salary. I say ban him and freeze that salary amount so it counts towards the luxury tax. Make the Yankees pay that money to a charitable organization that works area of drug prevention.

        • Eternal Pessimist

          …or at least let it count against their cap. They got the benefit of this cheat with a World Series ring. Doubt the Yankees will be giving that back anytime soon.

          • frank

            It’d have to be counted toward the amount taxed via the luxury tax–there is no salary cap.

            • Eternal Pessimist

              Yep.

      • JM

        That’s just stupid, Yankee hating talk. No team should be made to pay for services not rendered when a player makes a bad choice. The two don’t go hand in hand. How many of us Cubs fans hated eating so much of Zambrano’s contract? The Cubs knew they were signing a head case.

        If the Yankees knew and supported and encouraged PED use, then I’d agree. I doubt that is the case.

    • mak

      Lifetime ban or not, he’s going to be forever cast as a cheater (I mean, he already admitted to it once, so it’s especially unforgivable). He’s not getting in to the HoF until the voters change their stance on this, and then he has to wait for McGwire, Sosa, etc.

    • wvcubsfan

      He’s just an easy target right now. I don’t care if he told others about this place, I’m pretty sure others did as well. I really don’t care that he tried to buy records to cover his tracks. At least he didn’t throw an innocent man under the bus to save his own ass. There is no way that A-Rod should have been threatened with any more punishment than Braun, and they should have been offered the same deal.

      Remember A-Rod has still not failed a drug test and Braun has.

      • Eternal Pessimist

        1. Not sure what deal A-Rod was offered (the MLB suggests he was unwilling to negotiate. Maybe true?

        2. I don’t think a positive test is necessarily worse than other evidence. They may have mountains of evidence against A-Rod for extensive use compared to a single positive test against Braun. We just don’t know.

        3. I do care that if he was caught and then tried to buy records to cover his tracks.

        • wvcubsfan

          Are you really this obtuse?

          1. You know as well as anyone that Selig was threatening a lifetime ban but would “allow” him to just be suspended for the remainder of this year and all of next.

          2. You don’t think that actual evidence of taking (actual consumption of) PED’s within the time frame that they stay in a players system is worse that evidence that may have been illegally obtained at worse and coerced at best?

          3. Why should you care? Have you never done anything wrong and tried to cover your tracks?

          • Eternal Pessimist

            You have just gone completely silly. I apologize for my audacity of responding to your rather weak arguments. But I will try to keep it simple for you.

            A positive drug test is NOT the only valid evidence of consumption (in fact in some situations, believe it or not, lab tests can have “false positives”. I will let you look this up the definition of “false positive” for yourself. Eye witness accounts, clinic records, and other evidence can be overwhelming, and, depending on the source and quality and quantity of that information, may show him to be one of the biggest “provable” offenders.

            I am not a lawyer and don’t spend all my spare time reading the CBA, but you have no problem making wild assumptions that the MLB has unfairly gone after A-Rod, compared to the other offenders, because his penalty is harsher. Yet you have NO CLUE what they have on them, except you have heard that he did not have a positive lab test. You have NO CLUE what deal they offered him, but assume you know that it was worse than all others and that it was unfairly harsh (I assume it probably was a tougher penalty, probably for good reason, but who knows for sure). You have NO CLUE what the CBA penalties are for various situations, but think that the positive test rules (up to 50 games, 100 games, lifetime ban) applies to all situations…but those rules only apply to positive tests, from the CBA passages I saw…and you challenge me to recite the CBA rules, though you don’t expect to know them yourself when you make your wild accusations towards MLB.

            Not saying MLB or Bud is right, but I don’t make all these assumptions that you do…because when you do you make an…

            • wvcubsfan

              ” Eye witness accounts, clinic records, and other evidence can be overwhelming, and, depending on the source and quality and quantity of that information, may show him to be one of the biggest “provable” offenders.” So he said she said is more credible than drugs showing up in the urine. I know about false positives, that’s why there’s a “B” sample.

              The press release said he was suspended under the joint drug agreement. There is no 211 game suspension in that agreement. I believe that’s the only reason the players association came out with a statement in somewhat support of A-Rod today.

              To be fair you are assuming that all of the “hard evidence” is indisputable and is way more damming than a positive test. You have no facts to back that up either, so it’s just as much of an assumption.

              It is my opinion that Selig is reaching to make up for turning a blind eye in the beginning.

              • bbmoney

                You’re focusing just on that one section of the CBA. There are other sections, which I’ll allow you to look up yourself, that allow for different length and/or harsher penalties (for instance penalties for being involved with the distribution of PEDs, best interest of baseball, etc.). The head of the Union himself said these penalties wouldn’t necessarily be limited to the usual 50/100/life bans positive tests lead too. I’ll let you look that up in any of the dozen or so articles I saw written on it.

                None of this means that A-Rods suspension length will be upheld. I’m just pointing out the length of the suspension isn’t as cut and dry as the one positive test section of the agreement indicates.

              • Eternal Pessimist

                “To be fair you are assuming that all of the “hard evidence” is indisputable and is way more damming than a positive test.”

                Actually, I assume nothing, which is one of the big differences between you and me. I don’t assume Bud was fair or unfair. I don’t assume the evidence was weak or strong…because I don’t know (somehow you do). BTW, A sample and B sample doesn’t guarantee accurate results. One of the main reasons for the existence of the Biogenesis clinic seemed to have been their work on chemicals/hormones that beats the detection of the lab tests…but whatever…assume all you want…cause it’s fun.

                It is my opinion that Selig is reaching to make up for turning a blind eye in the beginning.”

                At least you stated this part in a way that can be respected without overreaching. Still making an assumption, but don’t fault you for thinking he has shown some character issues. Maybe you’re right. At least you just said it is your opinion.

                • wvcubsfan

                  I’ve said that was my opinion from the get go. I think in the same area you called me a troll.

                  I know he was suspended based on the JDA and the Basic Agreement. I know that he can not be suspended under the drug agreement and conduct detrimental to the game. I know that it was reported that Selig did not use the best interest of baseball clause (if he did the appeal would have gone to court).

                  As I said elsewhere, what has be upset and worried is that the commissioner’s office is going to go too far and the players association is going to have to respond.

                  • Eternal Pessimist

                    “There is no way that A-Rod should have been threatened with any more punishment than Braun, and they should have been offered the same deal.”

                    I think the above statement is much more argumentative than the much more diplomatic (in my opinion) statement:

                    “It is my opinion that Selig is reaching to make up for turning a blind eye in the beginning.”

                    Neither is loaded with fact, and fact is not required to have a good discussion, but one seems to know “there is no way…” while the other seems to reflect a belief, while acknowledging no certainty. Followed by the – hey you need to prove it to me by referring to CBA language (which was kindly provided by others who were more willing to go on the proving mission for you).

                    If you wanted to say you think Selig is overstepping, but don’t know what penalties the CBA allows, maybe you should have just said that. I have no problem with you, or anyone else, not trusting Selig or MLB, but none of us know what is really going on behind those closed doors, and the players DO have a negotiated right to fight the penalties levied against them.

                    • wvcubsfan

                      I’m done. We’ll see what the appeal process bears out. I’m on record in saying that I think it will be 50 games.

                    • bbmoney

                      Good we’ll mark that for the official record.

                      Diehard keeps the official record right?

  • Cubbie in NC

    How happy is Seattle now with the trade for Montero? That might explain some of the drop in his production.

    I am enjoying Nelson Cruz not appealing the suspension so that he is not serving a suspension next year when he would be a free agent. Forget going to the playoffs. I will laugh if Texas resign him now.

  • http://www.1000caloriesaday.com/ Frank

    Dear Rangers,
    You didn’t prepare for your top home run hitter to screw you, so if you want an outfield bat, don’t bother standing up. The most comfortable position is the one you in… Bent over. So be prepared to get it shoved where the sun don’t shine.

    Sincerely,

    All the teams that have an outfield bat that you need.

  • Dusto

    With the exception of the lying jackass up north, anyone notice how they are all Latin players suspended in this fiasco?

    • ssckelley

      This point was brought up in another blog, but the high percentage of these players being from a foreign country is surprising.

      • Hee Seop Chode

        why?

      • Drew7

        Since a majority of players in the MLB are from foreign countries, that really shouldn’t be a huge surprise.

  • auggie55

    I’m just happy Javy Baez’s name didn’t pop up.

    • Hee Seop Chode

      +1

    • bbmoney

      I mean I am too. But why single him out? I’m just happy no Cubs organization names came up.

      • On The Farm

        Because he has the most power potential outside of Kris Bryant in the organization, and he is killing the ball this season.

        • bbmoney

          Right, I guess my comment doesn’t read the way i’d say it in a conversation.

          I guess what I mean to say is, I think it’s stupid to single a guy out who has no connection to anything illegal, and the only reason he’s being singled out is crushing the ball this year. We should all be better than that. I realize that link is made all the time, I just think it’s ridiculous.

  • Chris K

    It is not a plea deal, they got the harshest punishment that they should of got as first time offenders and were threatened with more for appealing. That would be like someone who robs a store being offered the exact punishment they should receive, but if they fight it in court they are getting life in prison. Come on, open your eyes, it wasn’t a plea deal, they weren’t offered any deal at all. They were just bullied into not appealing.

    • Coop

      If you keep saying the same thing over and over, maybe it will eventually be true…

  • Chef Brian

    Bastardo!!! Nooooo!!

  • mak

    It’s a bit stunning to read all of the negative reactions to the suspensions (this article sums up what I referring to: http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/70400/justice-ethics-and-bud-seligs-legacy).

    All we’ve heard in the wake of the steroid fall out era is how we were all complicit by cheering on McGwire, Bonds and Sosa and looking the other way while their genetically altered heads grew to the size of beach balls.

    Yet, when MLB gets tough on steroids, we’re now unhappy with the process, and not the mere fact that almost everyone accepts that the players probably did use PEDs? It’s almost as if people forget that suspensions in baseball are not prison sentences — they don’t get a presumption of innocence. If you want to make multi millions playing a game, you live by the rules, even if the rules are harsh (and frankly, check out WADA’s rules if you think the MLB is being harsh).

    I think it was Wendy Thurm (I don’t want to miscredit, but I can’t find the article) put this in good context. These players paid 100,000′s of dollars to cheat. Why shouldn’t MLB be just as crafty to levy suspensions? The law suit against Bosch was bogus — it was brilliant and clearly would have overcome a motion to dismiss. You don’t need to be a millionaire to defend a baseless law suit.

    • caryatid62

      The lawsuit by MLB was despicable.

      The players cheated and deserved their punishment. But that shouldn’t excuse the absolutely disgusting behavior displayed by MLB throughout this entire process. Pathetic.

  • CubsFaninMS

    I think we can safely say that Alex Rodriguez’s chances of going to the Hall of Fame were flushed down the toilet in his first scandal. Looks like a double-flush now. What a mess.

    • Eternal Pessimist

      Alex is truly a two-flush turd.

  • Matt

    I’m really hoping A-Rod gets a big hand on the south side tonight. He’s dealt another major shot to the reputation of the Yankees (bigger than Petite, Clemens, or Giambi’s), and White Sox fans should be grateful.

  • duke

    They’re all guilty or they would fight the charges. A-rod’s arrogance is only reason he’s appealing. We can be as certain of his guilt as possible without actually injecting him personally. Every game ,should the circumstances be right, the opposing pitcher should lay one in between his numbers. Let the bastard fear every at bat, knowing that not even the players want him in the game any longer

    • wvcubsfan

      Or maybe he’s appealing because he and his attorneys believe MLB has over stepped their authority. I will admit I’ve never read the entire CBA, but I find it interesting that this is the first we’ve heard of a clause that allows Selig to arbitrarily set the length of suspension within the collective drug agreement.

      I honestly think that A-Rod’s suspension will be reduced to 50 games when it’s all said and done.

      • http://www.1000caloriesaday.com/ Frank

        Or maybe he’s appealing because he’s going to make more money this year than each of the next four years. His salary goes down the last four years of his contract.

        • cubsnivy56

          Or maybe he is worried he will never be able to play again if he has to sit out another season or two? Physically able…….

      • Eternal Pessimist

        His suspension length isn’t arbitrary. The length is within the determined length in the CBA. I believe he could technically get a lifetime ban under the CBA, though it would be difficult to uphold. Even with the most direct wording in the CBA, it seems that arbitration leads to some compromise for the players.

        • wvcubsfan

          Isn’t arbitrary? The rest of this year and all of next year including playoffs is the length determined by the CBA for what violation of the drug agreement?

          • Eternal Pessimist

            As long as it is within the limits prescribed by the CBA for his violation, it is not arbitrary…or at least not completely so. I would guess that their judgement of the length of his punishment (being much longer than the others assessed) have some relation to his repeat offender status, and to the duration and extent to which he has gone (multiple drug types, duration of use). Not sure exactly how they came out with the length of his penalty, but I wouldn’t assume it was arbitrary.

            • wvcubsfan

              The agreement says 1st – 50 games 2nd- 100 games 3rd – life.

              You in the hell do you get 212 from that? It’s what Bud thinks he can get away with, there’s nothing in the CBA that states that any of what you listed above is against the rules of the game.

              If you can’t at least agree that this duration was an arbitrary time frame dreamed up by Selig then we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

              • Dudeski

                He’s getting extra because there’s evidence he’s been using since back in ’09, he tried to destroy evidence, and recruited other players to Bosch

                • wvcubsfan

                  Please point me to the section in the CBA that allows this.

                  • jj

                    MLB has not publicized the details – that will be for the grievance. However, MLB said it was suspending ARod under the Joint Drug Agreement and the CBA. Whether MLB is using Section 7A (50 games for 1st offense or an argument for 100 games as a second offense) or 7C or 7D (the provision for the distribution of PED) or 7G2 (were there are no set limits) of the JDA is unclear. For the CBA, it ia likely MLB is using the best interests provision.

                    • Eternal Pessimist

                      …starting to think wvcubfan is a troll…keeps sending everyone else on a CBA fact finding mission to prove that his assumptions are wrong…or he just has a very powerful beef with “the man”.

                    • wvcubsfan

                      What I’ve read and heard all day was Selig stayed away from the “best interest of baseball” clause intentionally.

                      I’ve got zero love loos for A-Rod, but I do love baseball and I think the Commissioners Office overstepping their bounds in this case, or any case, could be extremely detrimental to the labor peace baseball has enjoyed lately.

                      I’m sure I’m not the only one old enough to remember the last strike, but I never want to have to live through that again.

  • Njriv

    Go home A-Rod. You’re drunk.

  • Ivy Walls

    So the above twelve plus Colon and Braun join this Shame Room of Infamous

    Implicated (34)
    Mark McGwire, Manny Alexander, Chuck Finley, Barry Bonds, Marvin Bernard, Randy Velarde, Wilson Alvarez, Bret Boone, Ozzie Canseco, Juan Gonzalez, Dave Martinez, Ivan Rodriguez, Tony Saunders, Miguel Tejada, Lenny Dykstra, Dave Hollins, Roger Clemens, Andy Pettitte, Brian Roberts, Jay Gibbons, Gary Matthews Jr., Darren Holmes, Rick Ankiel, Troy Glaus, Scott Schoeneweis, Matt Williams, Jose Guillen, Ismael Valdez, Magglio Ordonez, Alex Rodriguez, Mike Piazza, Todd Greene, Sammy Sosa, David Ortiz,
    Terrmel Sledge Derek Turnbow, Rico Brogna, David Bell
    Admitted (16)
    Bobby Estalella, Jason Giambi, Jeremy Giambi, Armando Rios, Benito Santiago, Gary Sheffield, Jose Canseco, Tom House, Wally Joyner, Jim Leyritz ,Paxton Crawford, David Segui, John Rocker, Paul Byrd, Shane Monahan
    MLB Suspensions (27)
    Jorge Piedra, Agustin Montero, Jamal Strong, Juan Rincon, Rafael Betancourt, Rafael Palmeiro, Ryan Franklin, Mike Morse, Carlos Almanzar, Felix Heredia, Matt Lawton, Yusaku Iriki, Jason Grimsley, Guillermo Mota, Juan Salas, Ryan Jorgensen, Dan Serafini, Eliezer Alfonzo, Humberto Cota, Henry Owens, JC Romero, Sergio Mitre, Kelvin Pichardo, Manny Ramirez, Edinson Volquez, Ronny Paulino
    Mitchell Report (47)
    Ricky Bones, Alex Cabrera, Larry Bigbie, Jack Cust, Tim Laker, Todd Hundley, Hal Morris, Mark Carreon, Matt Franco, Rondell White, Chuck Knoblauch, Greg Zaunn, David Justice, F.P. Santangelo, Glenallen Hill, Mo Vaughn, Denny Neagle, Ron Villone, Chris Donnels, Todd Williams, Phil Hiatt, Todd Pratt, Kevin Young, Mike Lansing, Cody McKay, Kent Merker, Adam Piatt, Jason Christiansen, Mike Stanton, Stephen Randolph, Paul Lo Duca, Adam Riggs, Bart Miadich, Fernando Vina, Kevin Brown, Eric Gagne, Mike Bell, Matt Herges, Gary Bennett Jr., Jim Parque, Brendan Donnelly, Chad Allen, Jeff Williams, Howie Clark, Nook Logan.

    • Hal

      Soriano is on THE complete 2003 PED list of 104 players-mlb. It is an infamous list of positive tests never officially released by mlb. Down through the last yr or so I have googled the site and leave it up to the audience to read it–please do not harass me but it is there—legitimate read or not.

      • DarthHater

        You say it is a list of positive tests never released by mlb, which implies that it is a legitimate list. Yet the website where the list is located itself characterizes it as a rumor floating around the internet. As far as I can tell, there is not a single shred of evidence that this is a genuine list of people who had positive tests. In other words, it’s meaningless.

        • Hal

          A meaningless web site–not a first huh Darth.

    • Hal

      So Mike Bell and brother David Bell on the abov e list. Is either one in baseball now?

      • Chris

        I thought David was our 3B coach.

  • http://Bleachernation Lou Brock

    Cubs claim Thomas Neal OF off waivers from the Yankees.

    • DarthHater

      Interesting pick-up.

      • DarthHater

        Since Brett’s not around, here is a link to the write-up on Neal by John Arguello at Cubs Den.:

        http://www.chicagonow.com/cubs-den/2013/08/cubs-add-of-thomas-neal-off-waivers-put-rafael-dolis-on-60-day-dl/

        • cub2014

          Thomas Neal you could say was available because
          they had to make room for Soriano. So we picked up
          2 players in the deal. Kind of sort of……

          • Eternal Pessimist

            .325/.391/.411 at AAA Scranton-Wilkes Barre with 2 HRs. Looks like a pretty good pick-up who was much better before his shoulder injury. Nice pick-up with potential.

        • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

          I’ll have thoughts on Neal in tomorrow’s catch-all, but that’s a good start there.

          • hansman1982

            HOW DARE YOU VISIT THE SITE ON VACATION!

          • DarthHater

            Your entire readership will be siphoned off to other sites by the time you get back and you will forever regret having taken a vacation with your family. Then, the victory of the Dark Side will be complete.

            • hansman1982

              So what you are saying is that all of the other Cubs websites are filled with constumed haterz?

              • DarthHater

                Consumed? Or costumed? ;-)

                • hansman1982

                  Costumed. In my limited knowledge of Sith-Jedians, they are all non-human or costumed.

                  In the regular world, this would seem to indicate a bunch of dweebs.

                  • DarthHater

                    Yes, all non-humans are dweebs. You, sir, are a virulent speciesist.

                    • hansman1982

                      No, I just think they sin when they chose to act on their costume or non-human-ness.

                      It’s not that I hate them, I hate their life choices and think they will burn in hell.

                    • DarthHater

                      Have you considered the benefits of a career on the Dark Side? :-D

        • hansman1982

          He is certainly an intriguing pickup. Average BB rate, average K rate, .300 hitter, average IsoP, decent IsoD. Nothing really screams out “FAIL” with him.

          • Drew7

            Ugh…”isoD” – the fancy folks’ term for “BB-rate”.
            :)

    • ssckelley

      He was hitting for a high average for the Yanks AAA farm club. But where did his power go?

  • http://Bleachernation Lou Brock

    Look for Lake to be playing 3B very soon, either Ransom gets released or 13th pitcher goes back to Iowa, possibly Rondon.

    • Rizastro

      isn’t rondon the rule 5 pick, if so it will not be him. i would release ransom or send murphy back down

      • On The Farm

        Rondon is a rule 5 and will need to come down with an “injury” if you want to replace his spot.

        • Kyle

          Or they could just accept that he’s terrible and let him go via waivers. That’d be OK with me, too.

  • Hal

    When does a rule five ever succeed. Must be a few or not.

    • Timothy Scarbrough

      Josh Hamilton was a Rule 5.

      • cub2014

        josh hamilton was rule 5′d away from the Cubs
        I believe.

        • ssckelley

          Actually the Cubs drafted him via the Rule 5 and they sold him to Cincinnati the very same day.

          • hansman1982

            They selected him for Cinci

            • DarthHater

              [img]http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8247/8625939893_3a6890e3da_o.jpg[/img]

              • hansman1982

                Wait, that horse’s head isn’t all the way on the ground…beat it some more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                • DarthHater

                  I was thinking the same thing.

              • ssckelley

                Darth a “you don’t say” pic would have been better.

                • DarthHater

                  [img]http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3798/9447552480_62edc3b75e_o.jpg[/img]

                  • ssckelley

                    [img]http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTig0Jc1YgUAZfpV-nttVxnn8HiI8rZSXhKXRA5yt3ONaKOqWXC[/img]

    • On The Farm

      Johan Santana also, and Dan Uggla to name a few. Baltimore rule five-d Ryan Flathery if I remember correctly.

  • Hal

    Excuse my ignorance but I had no idea of the above. How is Flaherty doing?

  • Stevie B

    Viagra a PED, right ???? Just asking….

    • DarthHater

      Different “P” :-P

    • ssckelley

      test all the coaches for it!

    • wvcubsfan

      yes it would be

  • Hal

    Do not take it and play 3rd base. A bad hop will kill you.

  • jeff1969

    How many of these guys are ACES clients? Saw an article about Cruz leaving them today for another agency & how Cabrera was working with them to hide his use before he got suspended.

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