wrigley field from right bleachersThe David DeJesus trade certainly cast this series, starting with tonight’s game, in a different light.

It also cast the lineup – which is missing Anthony Rizzo due to an illness – in a very different light. It’s … rough.

Game Info

Washington Nationals (60-63) at Chicago Cubs (53-70), 7:05 CT on CSN.

Game Thread and Series Preview

The Game Thread lives here. You should participate in the madness. And, of course, for those who aren’t into message board-style game threads, please feel free to use the comments on this post for your in-game commentary/outbursts.

The Series Preview for this series lives here.

Starting Pitchers

Jordan Zimmermann (14-6, 3.02 ERA, 3.39 FIP)


Jeff Samardzija (6-11, 4.29 ERA, 3.60 FIP)

Washington Nationals Lineup

1. Denard Span, CF

2. Ryan Zimmerman, 3B

3. Bryce Harper, LF

4. Jayson Werth, RF

5. Adam LaRoche, 1B

6. Ian Desmond, SS

7. Wilson Ramos, C

8. Anthony Rendon, 2B

9. Jordan Zimmermann, P

Chicago Cubs Lineup

1. Junior Lake, CF

2. Darwin Barney, 2B

3. Dioner Navarro, C

4. Nate Schierholtz, RF

5. Starlin Castro, SS

6. Donnie Murphy, 3B

7. Darnell McDonald, LF

8. Cody Ransom, 1B

9. Jeff Samardzija, P

  • rick

    wow this is going to be hard to watch tonight

  • ssckelley

    Let me ask this again, anybody know why Ransom is starting in place of Rizzo?

    • ari gold

      Read the 2nd paragraph

    • mdavis

      As Brett said, he’s ill. Saw some other writers tweet that as well.

      • ssckelley

        Oops, glossed over that one.

        Surprised Samardzija is not ill after seeing this lineup announced. Can Travis Wood play first base?

  • SenorCub

    Why is Barney in the two hole?! Yes he makes contact and doesn’t strike out but also doesn’t move anyone along with a .200 hitting average.

  • mdavis

    donnie murphy, darnell mcdonald, anddddd cody ransom.

    ….oh boy.

    • Joepoe123

      I don’t get why Donnie Murphy gets so much hate? he’s played well with the cubs so far.

      • ssckelley

        I don’t hate on Murphy but the Cubs are full of these types of players. If he keeps hitting perhaps the Cubs will bring him back next year and use him in the roll Ransom did this year, a backup infielder with a little pop off the bench.

  • Josh

    Man…..people give Sveum a hard time, but come on……I doubt a whole lot of managers could win with this lineup.

  • Headscratchin

    Tough to see where enough runs will come from with that line up to win. Shark is going to pretty much have to throw a no-no for us to have a chance. Hope they prove me wrong.

  • rick

    might be able to beat kane county team

    • ssckelley

      Don’t let Kyle see this, he is convinced any major league lineup would destroy a minor league one.

      I think there are pitchers in the Rookie League down in Arizona that could shut this lineup down.

      • frank

        And he’s probably right. There’s a reason these players are still in the minors; they’re not ready to be in the majors. It’s like those who say Alabama’s football team could’ve beaten a pro team last year. No they could not.

        • ssckelley

          Little bit different in football where size and strength can dominate talent/skill. You could put the best HS talent all on one team and they still couldn’t compete with a college team let alone a professional one. But in baseball it is different, an 18 year old that can throw 95 mph with control can stop a MLB hitter. It is why mlb players don’t bat 1.000 when they go down for rehab assignments.

        • JOE

          Well, although I do agree with you for the most part, any given team could beat another on any given day. To say that it simply could not happen is far-fetched. But, yes, I do generally agree that on a day to day basis just about any major league line up will beat any minor league lineup (or, in your case, any NFL team would regularly beat last year’s Bama team). However, it’s also important to note that this lineup right here is only a major league lineup because these guys play in the Cubs organization. There are several names in this lineup that would not have ML roster spots on most teams (hence why they are playing here in Chicago). Given that fact, I could see a scenario where a talented, loaded minor league lineup could beat this one on a regular basis.

  • cas-castro

    I believe Brett mentioned he was out due to illness. Either way, he needed a day off.

  • Patrick G

    So how many shutouts have we had the past week? Tack on another

  • Mr. B. Patient

    So when is Rickett’s going to hold a press conference to apologize to Cubs fans? And announce a reduction in ticket prices for next year. Milwaukee’s owner did it.

    Gotta say, not a boycott, but I doubt I’ll watch them anymore this year. Nobody on this team is worth watching.

    Come on hockey season!

    • gocatsgo2003

      Milwaukee’s owner did it because his marquee player is a lying prick. Why would the Cubs apologize for doing essentially what they said they were going to do in tearing the whole thing down before building it back up?

      • Mr. B. Patient

        Tearing down and building back up is one thing, but please tell me how we shouldn’t be upset about this lineup. Tell me how trading DeJesus away for nothing helps anything. If saving 2.5 million on DeJesus means so much, why did we spend 8 mil + on 16 year old lottery tickets, or 2.5 mil on a guy we didn’t appreciate last year (Stewart). And yet Ricketts and Co. will continue to charge one of the highest ticket prices in the Majors.

        I don’t know what Ricketts’ past business experience was, but other than being a nice guy, I haven’t seen one thing he has done well.

        • gocatsgo2003

          1) You don’t know what we traded DeJesus for — could very well be a perfectly viable prospect for a guy who likely would never have been with the team beyond next year anyway,
          2) You spend money on the international free agents because we are significantly lacking in top-flight talent in the minors,
          3) We all should have seen this coming because it’s exactly what the Front Office told us they would do (e.g. “not worth winning 75 instead of 70,” “tear down before building up,” etc.).

          • Mr. B. Patient

            Good points all.
            I just don’t trust Theo.
            I feel he is highly overrated.

            I don’t think Ricketts has a clue.

            Just my opinion.

            • cubfanincardinalland

              I trust him unequivocally, all you have to do is look where the red sox minor league system is today. He doesn’t write the checks though.

        • ssckelley

          Because the Cubs are full of light hitting left handed outfielders. DeJesus might have helped the Cubs in 2014 but these “16 year old lottery tickets” might help the Cubs further down the road.

      • Hawkeye

        My question is when does the tearing down stop? At what point do start trying to field a legit mlb team for the incoming prospects (really not sure which will pan out, but probably less then the majority of this board thinks).

        • cub2014

          next year we will make a playoff run:
          if we add Pence Ellbury Lincecum go
          after Price? Bring up Alcantera…

          • JBarnes

            You’re talking probly $200M+ in contracts there plus giving up Baez and multiple other top Cub prospects…next year is not the year to do anything close to that. You MAYBE go after one of those FA’s and the trade for Price is something I’ve been on the fence about ever since the speculation of him getting dealt has come out. In 2015 I could see something more along those lines happening depending on the improvement of prospects like Baez, Soler, Almora, Bryant, Alcantara etc.

            • cub2014

              price is probably too much
              for next year.

              • cub2014

                They have to add a couple of OF’ers
                and a starter and a reliever.

                • JBarnes

                  My guess is you have Lake at one OF spot, one of Schierholtz/Sweeney at another and then a FA as the other. Hendricks may force his way into the rotation but more than likely they add guys similar to Feldman/Villanueva/Baker…a long shot may be a more “top tier” type starter but I don’t see it quite yet. As for the RP, that’s always a crap shoot and we could have some nice internal options to choose from.

  • Cubbie Tim

    Ouch. What a horrible fn line up. Other teams AAA are better than this bs:) Go Cubs

    • cub2014

      Ouch Cubbie Tim, you were wrong at least tonight.
      Amazing: speed,sacrifice,walk then some power it
      that easy…..

  • rudymeolismullet

    Guess what folks, we have another whole year of watching bums. Get used to it. They won’t bring up any of their “top” prospects until late next year. All to save a few arbritration bucks!! Could be worse next year.

  • Eric

    If I was Baez, I wouldn’t want to be called up.

    • Mr. B. Patient

      I was just going to write that.
      Well done.

  • ColoCubFan

    Looks to me like maybe the front office is trying to get a better draft slot!

  • Feedintm

    1:20 on WGN, not 7:05 on CSN?

  • Corey

    God, I hate a lot of you “fans.” Bitching and complaining about Theo or the owners.


    Stop being horrible fans, or stop being a Cubs fan.

    • Pat

      I thought they were going to try to keep a respectable team on the field while also improving the farm system. “Parallel Fronts”, or something like that.

      • MoneyBoy

        It was respectable, at least as much as it could be, until the July selloff began. They stockpiled people at Iowa for this. Injuries took out Sweeney and Valbuena and others.

        I mean, everybody knew that AAA and AA were pretty awful at least until the kids began moving up the ranks.

        It has been argued that the bullpen cost the Cubs just about any momentum in April and May. Last year it was the pitching post selloff that was miserable. This year it’s the position players. The fact that Rizzo and Castro are struggling only makes it worse.

        • JBarnes

          Some of the people on here should go look at the overall standings on the MLB…I believe our record is very similar to the Angels and other “respectable” teams.

          • Pat

            We have the fourth worst record in the league, if that’s respectable in your book then we obviously define the word differently.

            • Pat

              The farm system has improved tremendously. It the respectable major league team that appears to have been forgotten about.

              • JBarnes

                An improved farm system and an unrespectable MLB team generally go hand in hand for at least the short term.

                • Kyle

                  Only with an extraordinarily handcuffed and/or unambitious front office.

                  • BT

                    Let’s see how the Yankees do under the new collective bargaining agreement. No one knows how a team operates under the new rules because no team has operated under the new rules.

            • JBarnes

              The point was you could have all the talent in the world on your team but sometimes it doesn’t show in the win column and that can be for a variety of reasons. Looking at the rosters of the Angels, Blue Jays, Giants and they can’t compare with the current Cubs roster but yet there isn’t much difference in terms of wins. The Cubs FO has a plan and they’ve been very upfront with the fans on their intentions…they’ve stuck by it and although for the time being it makes for a not so fun team to watch, it’s better for the team and fans in the long run.

              • http://deepcenterfield.blogspot.com Jason Powers

                Don’t put the Giants in that equation…They have 2 World Series titles since the Cubs last saw even the playoffs. How many World Series have we seen since FDR died? Exactly.

                And lastly, if their plan take more than 4 years (2015) to get to battling for playoffs/in the playoffs, then it was a mediocre plan. Presidents only get 4 years. I am give them to 2015. Next year they can be tolerable, and I won’t be angry, if I see progress towards a goal.

                • JBarnes

                  You’re ignorant to the situation the Cubs are trying to put themselves in apparently. The goal was to build a team that can sustain success over a number of seasons and hopefully do what teams like the Red Sox, Giants and Cardinals have done which is win multiple WS in a short period of time. With the way some teams are set up maybe they can rebuild a team within a year or two but unfortunately the Cubs weren’t in that situation and its taken a drastic overhaul to fix what’s been wrong for awhile. I get that it sucks to watch this team at the moment but suck it up and be excited about where it’s going.

                  • turn two


                  • Kyle

                    It’d be more exciting if “where it was going” promised to be exciting enough to make up for three or four lost years.

                    We’ll be good, but I don’t think it’s written in stone just yet that we’ll be that good. We’re not the only team in this division with smart management and a pile of prospects.

                    • JBarnes

                      The goal is to win championships right? We haven’t done that in a 100+ years so I’d say we’ve had more than 3 or 4 lost years so what’s a couple more to finally get this right?

                    • Kyle

                      That statement is completely void of meaning.

                      100 years of Cubs history has absolutely nothing to do with the best way for the team to try to win the World Series beginning in the fall of 2011, when Epstein took over.

              • Pat

                Sure, there are exceptions to the rule all the time. Bad players can play well, and good players can play poorly. But good players have a much better chance of playing well than bad players do.

                If your point is that there are no guarantees, so why even try, then I disagree with that philosophy.

                • JBarnes

                  No I’m saying (with the exception of the Giants) that we could have thrown a lot of money at FA’s (Angels) or stripped our farm system (Jays) to try and make a quick fix or we could suffer thru a couple bad seasons at the MLB level so that we can stock the minor leagues with high end talent to eventually have long term success and make multiple runs at a championship.

                  • Kyle

                    Yeah. Let’s pin our hopes on a peaking through a rebuild (Nationals) and get excited about having the No. 1 farm system in the game (Royals) while trying to manage our finances as efficiently as possible (Pirates).

                    • turn two

                      What we are doing those teams never did. We are temporarily using our big market resources to buy the best guts who will sign fire one year and do a complete and immediate minor league overall. Then we will maintain a strong system while at the same tinge shifting or funding to maintaining player salaries and adding free agents…in future years. I think your examples are poor.

                    • JBarnes

                      You should hope the Cubs have the same success at building up a team like the Nats and Pirates have and too some extent even the Royals. Unlike those three teams tho, the Cubs have major money to spend to go along with it. Very few teams have now or have ever had the amount of talent the Cubs do now in the minors combined with the ability to spend the way they do.

                    • Kyle

                      It would be awful if the Cubs have the “success” those teams had. It took them 10 and 20 years respectively to complete their “rebuilds.”

                    • hansman1982

                      And each one had about 5 and 15 years of inept management.

      • JBarnes

        Four top 30-50 prospects…how is that not an improved farm system? No other team has that and not to mention other guys that could fall in the 50-150 range. I just wonder if there’s more complainers now or if there will be more “fans” in a couple years when this team has the potential to be an absolutely silly offense and all around very good team that should be competing at a high level.

        • Kyle

          Some of us have lived through this before. This ain’t our first “Oh man, the Cubs are rebuilding and have a brilliant pile of prospects!!!” rodeo.

    • Hawkeye

      Stop being Mr. Righteous- these are legitimate questions for a fan to raise.

  • Walter Sobchak

    I puked a little when I read the lineup….btw…. Who’s the top five college prospects we should be talking bout?

  • WI Jeff

    Go out to google: There are tons of folks already offering these names

    1. DP: Jacob Gatewood, SS, Clovis (Calif.) High

    Perkin likens Gatewood (6-foot-5, 190 pounds) to a young Troy Tulowitzki and calls him a “once-in-a-decade talent,” noting his fastball reaches 92 mph on the mound, his “ballet-like fielding skills” and his prodigious power.

    AS: Carlos Rodon, LHP, N.C. State

    Last year Rodon (6-foot-3, 234) became the first Division I freshman to be finalist for the Golden Spikes Award as college baseball’s best player. This year, he is the ace of a Wolfpack team that has advanced to the College World Series. He is a coveted power lefty whose fastball sits in the mid-90s and can reach the upper 90s. He has two obviously plus pitches “His fastball can be overwhelming and dominant,” Simpson said, “and he has a wipeout slider.”

    2. DP: Tyler Beede, RHP, Vanderbilt

    Perkin said Beede (6-foot-4, 215), who declined to sign after Toronto drafted him in the first round in 2011, may benefit like Stanford’s Mark Appel, the No. 1 overall pick last week whose stock improved after being drafted previously and turning down first-round money. Beede is “a smooth righty with top of the rotation stuff,” Perkin said, noting “a 90-to-94 mph fastball that peaks at 95, a harsh 78-to-80 curve and a fall-off-the-table 82-to-84 changeup.”

    AS: Nick Burdi, RHP, Louisville

    Simpson compares Burdi (6-foot-4, 218) to Oklahoma righthander Jonathan Gray, who could hit 100 on the gun and just went No. 3 overall to the Rockies. “Burdi’s done the same,” Simpson said. “He’s the big arm for next year.” The difference, however, is that Burdi is more of a two-pitch reliever than a starter like Gray — but a very good closer at Louisville, where he had a 0.78 ERA and an absurd 61 strikeouts in 34 2/3 innings.

    3. DP: Alex Jackson, C, Rancho Bernardo High in Poway, Calif.

    Jackson (6-foot-2, 200) is a well-rounded backstop. “Catching prospects,” Perkin noted, “normally appear in one of two forms: Throwers who can’t hit or hitters who can’t throw. Jackson is the rare backstop who does both at the highest level.” Perkin also pointed out Jackson’s tremendous power and his ability to get the ball to second base in 1.8 seconds, which is above major league average.

    AS: Beede

    Simpson also thinks highly of Beede, noting that the Vanderbilt righthander has the “most complete stuff” in next year’s draft. “He might be the most projectable starter because he has three pitches that work,” Simpson said.

    4. DP: Rodon

    Few starters can manage a 12.9 K/9, but that’s what Rodon did this year. “Subtlety and nuance are not part of his approach,” Perkin said. “He attacks hitters with a mid-90’s fastball and hellacious mid-to high-80’s slider. After facing Rodon, hitters appear only too anxious to return to the bench.”

    AS: Jackson

    “His big tool is power, and he’s a solid defender,” Simpson said. He added that Jackson was also athletic enough to move to the outfield.

    5. DP: Nicholas Gordon, SS/RHP, Olympia High in Orlando

    Gordon (6-foot-2, 175) “may be the premier two-way talent in the 2014 draft,” Perkin said, noting that he throws a low-90s fastball but is also a slick-fielding shortstop with speed and quickness. “Gordon’s bat will determine his future in pro ball,” Perkin said. “If he hits, Gordon stays at shortstop. If not, he moves to the hill.” Choice A would make him like his older brother (Dodgers shortstop Dee Gordon), and Choice B would make him like his father (former big league reliever Tom Gordon).

    (Simpson, incidentally, pegged Gordon as his No. 7 prospect, saying it’s “60-40” that he ends up on the mound.)

    AS: Touki Toussaint, RHP, Coral Springs (Fla.) Christian Academy

    Toussaint (6-foot-2, 190), who won gold with the U16 national team, stands out as a prep arm in what Simpson said is a draft class whose strength is college pitchers. “His fastball is 96-97 and he has the makings of an above-average curve,” Simpson said. “He’s the best high school arm at this point.”

    Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mlb/news/20130610/draft-prospects-carlos-rodon/#ixzz2cSSBBZFQ

    • KidCubbie

      Good stuff Jeff. Thanks.

  • Soler Power

    7:05 not 1:10 actually.

  • http://Bleachernation Lou Brock

    Adrian Nieto C switch hitter at Nationals high A affiliate would be a nice addition to Cubs as the player to be named.
    As far as a # 1 pick in next years draft I like RHP Aaron Nola from LSU if we go with a college pitcher close to ready for the majors. He does not have the stuff that Rodon or Beede have, but his control is tops in all of NCAA with a K/BB ratio of 10 to 1.

    • ssckelley

      Nieto has made a lot of improvement offensively and has been in the minor leagues for 7 years. I am not 100% but I would think he would be rule 5 eligible if not protected on the 40 man roster.

  • cub2014

    Ya Nieto looks good. Switch hitting avg & power catcher

    • http://deepcenterfield.blogspot.com Jason Powers

      Another SP, maybe Robbie Ray LHP. Seems we got enough RHP via prior trades. He’s 22 in October in AA.

      Adrian Nieto is also 23 in A+ ball. He’s a bit old, and repeated over an over levels. Can’t be because he’s impressed. Likely, injury or the his uneven year to year progression. I’d pass, though I looked at a few catchers in their system. Nothing worth doing..

      • http://Bleachernation Lou Brock

        Never get Ray, he is ranked ver high in National system, I believe #7 if I’m not mistaken. I do agree we do need more lefties in our pitching system. Catching depth is so poor Nieto could be moved up to AA to see if he has the tools to move up or is just filler.

        • http://deepcenterfield.blogspot.com Jason Powers

          I was hoping….for Ray.

        • http://deepcenterfield.blogspot.com Jason Powers

          And is DeJesus not worth a top 15 prospect? http://www.baseballamerica.com/statistics/players/cards/81157

          Just don’t see him as their top tier – in a mediocre Washington system.

          • ssckelley

            No way, the Nats cannot be that desperate to acquire a 4th outfielder to give up a prospect like Ray.

            • http://deepcenterfield.blogspot.com Jason Powers

              Why where they desperate at all? Unless they are gonna flip DeJesus, I see no use either. They have a 1/100 chance of getting in the playoffs.

              We got Ivan Pineyro, a 20-30 guy, for Hairston – who aint DeJesus. Granted waiver trade, but jeez. Ray’s improvement is after a so-so 2012. And Washington is not brimming with premier talent are they?

              • ssckelley

                No but it seems unlikely that a pitcher like Ray would be on the list of players available for the PTBNL. This is a prospect they already have invested 800k in for signing bonus.

                • http://deepcenterfield.blogspot.com Jason Powers

                  Well will see what meatball player we get.

                  At least, the FO save the Ricketts some money. They can get cheese on their whoppers tonight. 😉

                  • nkniacc13

                    yeah I didn’t understand this trade. I know that it frees up 2.5 million for cubs and a 40 man spot for a player coming off the 60 day DL. It will for me be interesting to see as I thought that they said that they had a price for the players and no one was willing to meet it that’s why they didn’t make a trade at the deadline. If that’s true then what caused the price to go down now or what would cause a team 9.5 out to decide that price was ok now?

                    • http://deepcenterfield.blogspot.com Jason Powers

                      I guess the plan changed.

                      Maybe the get the most value suddenly meant dump the salary.

                      It was not unusual to put DeJesus on waivers…but why the Nationals put in the claim. I guess they love platoon Cubs OFers…we have a good development system for that. 😉

  • FastBall

    I am going to spare myself the aggrevation of watching this game. Bet Shark has a tough time getting fired up for this one. No potential run support what so ever. How many shut outs will Sveum preside over in August alone. I can remember when the Cubs had like the longest streak of games in MLB for not being shutout. It’s so common now it makes me sick. Think by the time this season is over the play to lose for a draft pick montra will have worn out all the Cubbies fans except for the bloggers.

  • Blublud

    I agree with all the trades that this FO made this year, even the one I originally hated (feldman to Baltimore).

    What I don’t agree with is a team out of contention, and in complete rebuild mode playing a lineup with Murphey, McDonald and Ransom in it. I think Szczur is ready for the bigs. I think Ha is ready. I think vitters (if not hurt) is ready. Maybe Olt. There are few other. I think the Cubs are wasting a chance to get these guys valuable at-bats against big league pitching.

    I not going to get crazy like some folks and say call up Baez, Bryant and others not really ready. But there are a few guys who aren’t stars, but are MLB ready that should be playing.

    • Pat

      I agree. If you’re going to move your starters and give someone else a chance, can it please not be guys that are already 30, 34, and 37? I’m not sure the minors guys you listed would be better, but at least it makes some sense to give them playing time.

  • Fastball

    The thing is most of the players on this team wouldnt be MLB players if it wasnt for this team. Fir most it is there last stop before they do something else fir a living. Even the Astros and Marlins have no use for these guys. So could our AA team beat them? I got Knoxville in a 5 or 7 game series.

    • cub2014

      Cubs have 6 guys i think arent major leaguers:
      Rondon only Bogusevic and Ransom will be there
      in a few weeks and they wont be here next year.
      The problem is we have no studs in the lineup.

  • Fastball

    Good thing Sveum isnt managing any of our faem teams. They would be trash by now.

  • http://Bleachernation Lou Brock

    More info on possible Cub draftee Aaron Nola LSU pitcher 2013 stats pitching in the tough SEC. 1.57 ERA, W12 L1, 5 CG, 126 innings, 83 H, 18 BB, 122K’s, BA against .188.
    Certainly works for me, 6’3″ 190#, heavy sinker with ++ change up.

    • Richard Nose

      I live in Omaha and have seen him pitch a couple times, love him too. Outpitched Jonathan Gray in the supers last year, kinda, they were both awesome, LSU was just clearly the better team. Nola may not have Rodon’s stuff, but the dude is a winner, was polished last year already. His brother was a 4-year starter at short for LSU too, nothing but winners. I do like Nola next year.

  • HVAC Bob

    Cody Ransom? Really? Can we PLEASE dump this guy already.

    • Jon

      Replace him with who?

  • cub2014

    I dont like sappelt but he was starting to hit his last
    time up (definitely instead of McDonald) Get Watkins
    in the lineup or send him down.

    • ssckelley

      I agree, I doubt Sappelt will be with the Cubs next year but I would much rather see him playing over a 34 year old journeyman who has no shot of making the team next year.

      I don’t understand why they called Watkins up just to sit him on the bench.

  • Jon

    Rizzo out with a headache ? Srsly dude take an aspirin

    • http://Bleachernation Lou Brock

      Have you ever had a migraine ? I know people including my daughter who is a college softball player who at times cannot be exposed to sunlight because of a migraine.

      • Jon

        It’s a night game …

        • http://Bleachernation Lou Brock

          That is just an example of symptoms one can have trouble with when dealing with migraines. Scottie Pippen used to miss games regularly because of migraines as well. They can be very debilitating especially to athletes who have to see and hit a 95 MPH fastball.

        • Corey

          LOL @ this chump.

          Migranes are a pain in the A%%!! So are sinus headaches, which can be related.

  • Jon