petco parkAndrew Cashner will look to shove things, and Chris Rusin will look to … block things?

Game Info

Chicago Cubs (55-74) at San Diego Padres (58-71), 3:10 CT on WGN.

Game Thread and Series Preview

The Game Thread lives here. You should participate in the madness. And, of course, for those who aren’t into message board-style game threads, please feel free to use the comments on this post for your in-game commentary/outbursts.

Due to travels, no Series Preview this time. Many apologies.

Starting Pitchers

Chris Rusin (2-3, 3.08 ERA, 3.80 FIP)


Andrew Cashner (8-8, 3.74 ERA, 3.70 FIP)

San Diego Padres Lineup

1. Chris Denorfia, RF

2. Will Venable, CF

3. Jedd Gyorko, 2B

4. Chase Headley, 3B

5. Jesus Guzman, 1B

6. Logan Forsythe, LF

7. Ronny Cedeno, SS

8. Rene Rivera, C

9. Andrew Cashner, P

Chicago Cubs Lineup

1. Starlin Castro, SS

2. Anthony Rizzo, 1B

3. Nate Schierholtz, RF

4. Brian Bogusevic, LF

5. Junior Lake, CF

6. Donnie Murphy, 3B

7. Welington Castillo, C

8. Darwin Barney, 2B

9. Chris Rusin, P

  • hansman1982

    Holy hell, Cashner has some atrocious home/away splits this year:

    Home ERA: 2.38
    Away ERA: 4.93

    FIP, xFIP, BB% all higher on the road as well. High probability Cashner would not be doing as well as he is now playing for the Cubs.

    • MichiganGoat

      Yeah SD pitchers typically have bad splits, it’s just such a pitchers park.

  • TOOT

    Unless things dramatically change for Rizzo, I have to say the Rizzo/Cashner trade was a flop.

    • X The Cubs Fan

      I’d have to say you’re very wrong.

      • TOOT

        Please give a reason.

        • hansman1982

          I love how you posted after I did and called the trade a flop. A good portion of Cashner’s success this year was playing in one of the most pitcher friendly parks in the game.

          • TOOT

            Not sure what you mean by that? My point was Cashner is making .5 mil while the FO signed Rizzo to 7 year 47 mil deal. Who got the worst? I might be off on the exact figures but I am sure I’m close.

            • hansman1982

              Fuck it, I’m done with the internets today.

              • wassssup


                • TOOT


              • Jim


                • TOOT

                  Just opinion, TY

    • J.L.

      Rizzo’s 2013 WAR according to Fangraphs: 1.6
      Cashner’s 2013 WAR according to Fangraphs: 1.1

  • cubmig

    Greetings from London, England. Tonight’s game will coe on here at 11:10pm…..hope to watch it IF I cn stay awake.

    As for the posts about Cashner: Despite Cashner’s Home/Away record, I’m willing to bet it won’t matter. Guys that the Cubs trade away generally come back and bite them in the ass. (Just preparing myself for what may be.)

  • cubmig

    *come on

  • Good Captain

    Seeing Watkins again out of the lineup, I don’t understand how his call up is benefiting either the Cubs or Watkin’s development. I know he’s available, but at his point I’m not sure giving him more PT doesn’t outweigh that.

    • Gutshot5820

      I’m sure Watkins is not complaining about getting MLB salary and benefits plus coaching from the big club staff.

    • Jason

      At least Watkins is earning a minimum mlb pension if he can hang around about 30 more days. He all ready has earned lifetime mlb health coverage. So good for him.

  • jmc

    how bad are the cubs when we start watching 16 year olds ?

    • jkppkj

      Bad enough that I’m not even sure if watching Cashner try to cram it up the Cubs *** is interesting enough to pull me away from the Little League World Series.

      The kid pitching for the U.S. is 6’4″. The japanese kids, and most of the American kids look like dwarves compared to him.

  • jmc

    how long to we start watching Major League Baseball players on the cubs?

    • Jimmy James


  • Ed

    Brett, are you going to post a write-up of Neil Ramirez?

    • Brett

      Again, yes. :)

  • http://Yes Dude

    Hendricks, Alcantara, Szuczr, Baez, Rosscup and Bryant . Chances are quite slim they all make it and have MLB careers but all these guys have a shot to be on the mlb roster at some point in 14. Who makes it next year? Rosscup, Baez, Bryant IMO

    • Bret Epic

      I think Alcantara might end up taking 2nd base from Barney.

      • Dave

        I don’t know. As of right now (bottom of the 6th) Barney has a higher OPS than Castro…

        • TOOT

          Scary true.

    • Eternal Pessemist

      Really don’t think Bryant makes this big a jump by 2014, and I would assume the only way this happens (on top of amazing performances that jumps him quickly to AAA in early 2014) is a very competitive MLB Cubs team, which I am growing more doubtful of in 2014.

      • http://Isa Voice of reason

        You are growing doubtful of a competitive 2014 cub team?

        What were the signs along the way that lead you to believe that they would be competitive?

        Next years cubs team will lose 90 plus games again.

        Once soriano’s salary’s off the books then the cubs will have a little cash to spend. But, don’t expect much spending until they are truly ready to compete. Look for that to really happen in 2016.

        Until then, the cubs ownership is showing constant signs of watching the $$$$$. It’s kind of scary how much they are penny pinching!

        • Eternal Pessemist

          “What were the signs along the way that lead you to believe that they would be competitive?”

          I thought they had assets that would continue to grow in value at the MLB level.

          Doubts growing mainly due to a big step back from Castro, big step back by Barney, and smaller step back by Rizzo. If those young guys were to have continued to improve instead of worsen (I don’t think Rizzo’s has had a really bad year by any extent), I would be more encouraged that we could build around them in 2014 and have a chance at being competitive.

          We do have some other guys who are playing better than expected (Lake, Murphy) that have too small a sample size for me to grow too much confidence in just yet and are more likely to regress to what they are, but am still hopeful.

          Shark has been up and down this year but not becoming an Ace just yet with time running out. Jackson worse than expected, Wood a bit better. Overall I think our long term MLB assets took a step back, while or MiLB assets took a step forward, delaying gratification till 2015-16.

          • Voice of Reason

            Even if Castro was hitting .330 and rizzo had 45 hrs and barney was playing sold defense and hitting .275 there is nothing else to build on.

            Lake is doing well, but he’s probably destined to be a 4th outfielder and Murphy isn’t anything great.

            There are no other young players ready to come up and compliment the rest of the position players to give anyone optimism. And that’s not mentioning the rotation and what I said earlier, the fact that the rickets aren’t spending any big money until sorianos contract is off the books.

            All of those reasons show another 90+ loss season next year, but they are working on it and I’m excited for the future.

            • Eternal Pessimist

              I think if we had 3/4 of an infield performing at that level we would have significant WAR to build on. if we were close, adding Baez would probably be a great addition to the 2014 infield (after deadline to gain control year) and would round out a cost controlled (relatively cheap) infield. Not rushing him, but he looks about ready.

              We have some pitchers that could be brought up in a reliever roll for cheap and contribute right away.

              We could use a number one starter, or Shark to become a number one starter and the outfield position is generally easier to fill with “cheap” bats than the infield.

              Yeah, I think that it would have been quite reasonable to expect us to be somewhat competitive in 2014 with some steady growth in our core players this year. It just didn’t happen, so I’m growing more pessimistic in 2014.

    • jkppkj

      Rosscup could make Russell expendable/tradeable or he could be a rule 5 casualty.

      I don’t think Alcantara or Bryant until late in the season.

      Olt obviously has to hit much better, but he definitely will get a shot at taking the 3rd base job in the spring. Vitters may get a shot too, or to be a righthanded bat off the bench.

      Hendricks is doing fine so far in Iowa, I think he gets a shot at the rotation and I think he wins a spot.

      I think Szcur will get a full season in Iowa before getting called up. I’m hopeful the Cubs sign Pence or Choo to take an OF spot. Even without a FA signing I think there are other more ML ready options i.e. Ha that will get a shot before Szcur.

      I’d bet Baez starts at Iowa and if he is crushing the ball there too, it will only be a couple of months before he forces his way onto the ballclub. That is of course unless Castro is hitting again and playing a decent SS, in which case Baez may be given more time at Iowa to learn 3B.

      Those are my non-expert guesses.

      • http://Isa Voice of reason

        Alcantara is no where near being ready to be called up.

        He has to reallllllyyyy cut back on those strikeouts. He will get eaten alive in the bigs.

        • cub2014

          Alcantera isn’t that far away. His BB have
          greatly improved. He just needs to improve
          strikeouts. That could be done by early next

          I think Rosscup will have every chance to make
          the team as second lefty reliever with Russell

  • William

    I love how people speculate on when a guy will be called up like they dtermine that. A player’s talent and work ethic determine when they can make it to the big leagues. I hope guys like Baez and Bryant get called up next year because most of you think it’s impossible.

    • William


    • Drew7

      People know what determines a call up, and also know that they don’t control it. That’s *kinda* what speculation means…

      • Brett

        I am terrified by your gravatar.

        • MichiganGoat

          Is that you Brett?

          • Brett


            • DarthHater

              Lawyerly mumbo jumbo. Bah.

  • IndyCubsFan

    Len and J.D. are really starting to mesh well. I didn’t care for J.D. at first b/c I loved Brenly, but he’s doing a really good job! Thoughts?

    • Jason

      Sometimes I felt that J.D. did not want to be here–not very relaxed.

      • Eternal Pessimist

        Just get us someone without “Announcer voice”. When I listen to some of the broadcasters I expect them to ask me to buy some laundry soap.

    • jkppkj

      J.D. took a while to grow on me, same with Len. J.D. seems more analytical than Brenly, which has it’s value, but I’d much rather go out for beers with Brenly

  • Oswego chris

    I really don’t see how Baez doesn’t at least get a shot in spring training to wow them into making the team…I know, I know…they are extremely patient and want the minor league ABs but he may not have much left to prove by then…

    • Eternal Pessimist

      If he gets 100 HR’s in 100 AB’s in spring training I think he stays up, but if he gets 75 HR’s and 25 SO’s I think we should make sure he gets the SO rate down…but really, not interested in seeing him burn a year of control on an unlikely season. Cubs got to play the same game that the other teams play if they want to be competitive in the long run.

  • Jason

    Baez not to be included in Arizona Fall League. So that means instructs. Either lots of early morning work on defense at s.s. or maybe position change. Lots of innings to play in instructs against teams in the valley.

  • X The Cubs Fan


  • Jason P

    This is some bad baseball between 2 bad teams.

    • DarthHater


    • jkppkj

      That WP and cover of home looked like it belonged in the Little League World Series

  • Michael

    What a weird ass inning

  • udbrky

    I don’t even.

  • Clark Addison

    Combine the lineups of the Cubs and the Pads and you still have a last place team.

  • waittilthisyear

    this game is giving me diabetes

    • Eternal Pessimist

      Kind of reminds me of the Chinese badminton team playing I forget who, both teams trying to throw the game so they get a more favorable seeding in the Olympics.

  • waittilthisyear

    side note: i saw sveum tossing in some grizz yesterday, but today it was redman. i wonder what the method behind his madness is. catch the damn ball starlin

  • Joey

    Sveum playing a 5 man infield in the 14th inning of two last place teams. At least he’s trying to win

  • DarthHater


    • MoneyBoy

      That’s some kind of pitching ain’t it Darth !!!!!

      • DarthHater

        No idea. I’m at work, so only have access to Gameday. All I know is it was a strikeout! 😛

  • miggy80

    Where did Boxberger go?

    • miggy80


      • miggy80


        • miggy80

          You want fries with that?

  • udbrky

    Angel Hernandez would’ve ejected Headley, the whole coaching staff, 3 players, 5 fans and an umpire on that call.

  • DarthHater

    Okay, I just checked my special Cubs Run Expectancy Charts. With bases loaded and one out, the 2013 Cubs probability of scoring at least one run increases from 0.01% to 0.02% 😀

    • miggy80

      looks like the chart was right

      • DarthHater

        Usually is. 😛

  • jkppkj

    Couple of nice plays by Headley

  • tgk

    I don’t know what is more difficult to believe. The events of this game or the fact that I am still watching.

  • Jason

    What a game can do to a players batting average–a game like this–not good.

    • tgk

      Rizzo’s and Castro’s have gone up!

  • RY

    Yet another colossal fuck up by this team. Padres will win it this inning.

  • DarthHater

    Our long national nightmare is finally over.