wrigley field from right bleachersThe Cubs couldn’t outmuscle the mighty Marlins yesterday, but tonight’s another night.

Darwin Barney gets the night off, with Donnie Murphy in at second. Junior Lake sits tonight in favor of Sweeney/Bogusevic.

Game Info

Miami Marlins (51-85) at Chicago Cubs (58-79), 7:05 CT on CSN.

Game Thread and Series Preview

The Game Thread lives here. You should participate in the madness. And, of course, for those who aren’t into message board-style game threads, please feel free to use the comments on this post for your in-game commentary/outbursts.

The Series Preview lives here.

Starting Pitchers

Tom Koehler (3-9, 4.72 ERA, 4.27 FIP)


Edwin Jackson (7-14, 4.90 ERA, 3.72 FIP)

Miami Marlins Lineup

1. Chris Coghlan, 3B

2. Donovan Solano, 2B

3. Christian Yelich, LF

4. Giancarlo Stanton, RF

5. Justin Ruggiano, CF

6. Logan Morrison, 1B

7. Adeiny Hechavarria, SS

8. Jeff Mathis, C

9. Tom Koehler, P

Chicago Cubs Lineup

1. Starlin Castro, SS

2. Luis Valbuena, 3B

3. Anthony Rizzo, 1B

4. Nate Schierholtz, RF

5. Ryan Sweeney, CF

6. Donnie Murphy, 2B

7. Brian Bogusevic, LF

8. Welington Castillo, C

9. Edwin Jackson, P

  • CeeDeeVee

    Even Murphy is starting over Watkins. This is getting ridiculous.

    • Melrosepad

      Yeah, it would be nice to at least give him a start or two. This is reminding me of how Adrian Cardenas was used last year.

      • CeeDeeVee

        Yea exactly. Cardenas had potential, and now I don’t think he even has a team. All Watkins is getting is pinch hit here and there. You don’t want him to be in a slump and turn that into Cardenas.

        • Hansman1982

          Any hitter who misses out on 100 PA and is out of the league within 2 years, didn’t have much of a future in the bigs to begin with.

  • jon

    The lamenting over Logan Watkins’ playing time is a bit odd.

    • Jason P

      Why? They interrupted his development time at AAA to have him sit on the bench every single day in the majors.

      Give me one good reason why Donnie Murphy is a better choice to start than Logan Watkins.

      • jon

        They both stink. It doesn’t really matter

        • Jason P

          The book is still out on Watkins. Just last offseason he was arguably the Cubs best second base prospect, and a top 10-15 guy in the system by some accounts. His year in AAA wasn’t good, but it wasn’t *that* bad.

          • mjhurdle

            really? it wasn’t that bad?
            .243/.333/.379 isn’t that bad?

            • Jason P

              Ignore the ugly average for a second and pretend he hit .270/.333/.379. Would you hold the same opinion?

              Average is still vastly overrated, and a single almost always accomplishes the same purpose as a walk. His OPS was still .712, which, while not ideal, isn’t catastrophic for a second basemen (the average OPS for MLB second basemen is well below .700).

              I know, he was doing it in a hitter-friendly league, but still, he wasn’t so bad that all hope is lost.

              • Hansman1982

                It was .709 in an extreme hitting league. The league that made Brett Jackson and Bryan LaHair look like Gods amongst little boys in ballerina outfits.

                • cms0101

                  I don’t think Brett Jackson ever looked like a god in Iowa, but I get your point on LaHair. Watkins only came up because he was on the 40-man already and there were injuries. Rather than send him home, he’ll ride things out on the bench. Even Darwin Barney had some hitting success in Iowa before he was called up. He’s the reigning gold glove winner and Watkins has done nothing in AAA or the majors to warrant taking over the position.

              • Hansman1982

                Oh, and if he had that low of an IsoD, I’d hold a lesser opinion against him.

                • Jason P

                  But he still showed some of the characteristics that made him player of the year in 2012. He was patient with sneaky power and solid defense.

                  Not the year you want, but I saw nothing that makes me think he’s a lost cause. If he can eventually replicate that line at the MLB level, it won’t look so bad. In fact, it would be above average starter quality.

      • Jason

        It is crap like this that makes me wonder about Jed and Theo. Sveum just doesn’t give a crap.

        • cub2014

          Murphy and Valbuena are career .212 hitters why are
          they playing in September? Bogusevic OK. 24th overall
          pick in 2006 has hit well in big leagues except last year.
          Put Lake at 3rd and Watkins at 2nd why play these veterans
          come on how stupid.

          • cub2014

            One more thing. Why not bat Lake leadoff the one
            thing he does is get on base? I understand about
            Castro but batting Lake 7th (yesterday) I dont get it

  • Jason P

    Why the heck is Bogusevic starting over Lake? And Murphy over Watkins? Mind-boggling in a rebuilding year.

    What kind of rebuilding club plays 30+ year old journeymen over young players who may have a future with the club?

    • CeeDeeVee

      Yup, you want Lake to develop and get as much experience in the outfield as possible, but you’re gonna rotate him with a guy who is mediocre at best.

    • AB

      Watkins was well below average offensively in perhaps the most hitter friendly circuit in the minor leagues, not sure the Cubs are missing anything by not playing Watkins.

      • mjhurdle

        ^ this
        i wouldn’t mind if he got a start here or there, but not going to get too worked up if he sits

      • Jason P

        True but he was the organizational hitter of the year the year before. Not saying he’s a future star or even necessarily a starter, but I do know for sure that he more likely has a future with the club than Donnie Murphy.

        Put it this way: Watkins is exactly the kind of player the Cardinals would take and mend into a servicable every day player.

        • mjhurdle

          like they have done with Pete Kozma?

          • Jason P

            Of all the no-names the Cardinals have converted into solid regulars, your really going to point to the exception?

        • cub2014

          watkins,murphy,valbuena,barney all the same
          minors career stats: .275-.285avg .350-.365 obp
          with little or no power.

  • Corey

    wow, Matt Sczur is now my favorite prospect. He deserves a chance in MLB.

    • #1lahairfan

      Maybe one of my favorites as well.

  • mjhurdle

    Game Time!!

  • Toby

    Definitely proud that he is a member of the Cubs.

  • cub2014

    jackson’s gottem popin up

  • http://Bleachernation Lou Brock

    I guess the Marlins front office is OK with bringing up a kid from AA at the age of 21 Yelich, and starting his arbitration clock but Theo, Jed, and Ricketts would rather have us watch Murphy, Valbuena, and the others who will probably not be on the team in two years.
    The kid has been doing quite well for the 40 games he has played but we keep Baez and Alcantara down for AA playoff experience, while we get Barney hitting 215 and are desperate for a power bat to protect Rizzo since Soriano left.

    • Jimmy James

      I realize the marlins have rings but you are not going to find many people that want to run a team like they do

    • Jason P

      Protection in lineups is extremely overrated.

  • http://bleachernation.com someday…2015?

    Not sure if this video has been posted but for the people who haven’t seen it, WGN did a nice segment on the new Daytona Cubs including Bryant, Vogelbach, Edwards, Pineyro, and Black.


    • MoneyBoy

      Thank you someday!!!

  • Michael

    Did Castro smoke that ball up the middle?

  • Jeff

    C’mon Edwin, you only need to give up two more runs to stay consistent with your 5.00 era a game…

    Come on man, you can do it!!!

  • http://www.bleachernation.com Joel

    I’m not sure I understand the valbuena thing over Lake, or even Watkins for that matter, I mean, if you start them on a consistent basis, the offense can’t get any worse. Personally i think Dale sees the Alan Trammell type writing on the wall. The infusion or “waves” of young talent are arriving in 2014-15, and Dale seems to me like a man desperately trying to prove he deserves to be here for the future. This makes lineup decisions like veterans, over young players make sense in his mind, the thought process being, if I can show wins with a bad team, it increases my chances of being retained when the team is “good”.

    • mjhurdle

      i see what you are saying, kinda.
      But i dont think there is anyone on that coaching staff that is under the impression that their job is somehow more or less secure based on a couple meaningless Sept games.

  • http://bleachenation Sacko

    Quote, Theo “fully develop these young players” here you go Dale sit Watkins on the bench.
    This is getting hilarious. It’s all BS.
    What do you think Sitting Bull “man speak with fork tongue”

    • another JP

      Theo can put Watkins on the roster but Sveum decides whether he should play. And honestly, the kid’s not ready and is basically the same as Vitters & BJax was last year. Why put a guy in that you know will be over-matched at the plate and watch his confidence go totally to hell? I can’t stand Sveum but won’t bemoan his decision not to play Watkins– if he was anti-prospect Lake or Parker wouldn’t have had all the opportunities to play they’ve received.

  • willis

    Oh God now Rondon is in.

  • Jason P

    Were missing Barney’s defense out there at second.

  • willis

    Well, the cubs area going to lose another game to the marlins, which, why not right? The good news is that Daytona is putting it ON Dunedin in the first game of their series. Good to see.

  • http://Bleachernation Lou Brock

    Yellin with 6 hits in two games v. Cobs. This 21 year old proves the point about bringing up the kids and getting them Major League experience. To hell with Super 2 and the arbitration clock I want Baez, Alcantara, etc. up here and playing everyday.

    • Gutshot5820

      More than likely, all it proves is that the Cubs at present are so bad they cannot beat a bunch of 21 yr olds.

  • Jeff

    Gaining ground on the #3 pick :)

    • Jeff

      Oh, by the way, David Price would be pitching for the Cubs if we would have just tanked it a few more games in 2006, instead we got Josh Vitters at the #3 pick. ;(

  • Sean T

    Anyone know if we’ll have to leave Hector Rondon on the 40 man roster next year? Presumably he’ll start off in the minor next season and gain more seasoning and refine his command at AAA. But since he will spend a whole year on the 40 man roster this year after being pick up in the Rule 5 draft, after the season can we drop him off the 40 man roster with out any risk of losing him or exposing him to the Rule 5 Draft again this year?

    I know after 1 full season we can send him down to the minors without sending him back to Cleveland but I’m not sure we can take him off the 40 man without risk of losing him? Can someone help me out?

  • ruby2626

    Kid we got for Soriano, Corey Black i think his name is, making Theo and Jed look pretty good. 5 shutout innings with 7 K’s in Daytona win. Tomorrow Edwards (Garza deal) goes. BTW Kris Bryant no Hrs but 2 for 3 with a walk and a couple of RBI;s. Great that Daytona and Tenn are doing so well, really shocked Kane county was so bad this year. With all the propaganda on how Boise had a half dozen MLB prospects I was expecting much more. Seems like everyone in the lineup hit in the .250’s. Yes I realize AA was hurt again and DV promoted but they were there most of the year.

  • Aaron

    The Miami Marlins, with the league’s worst record along with the worst offense is going after the three-game sweep of the Chicago Cubs at Wrigley Field on Wednesday.

    The Cubs record at the Friendly Confines of Wrigley Field dropped to 27-44.