Pre-Gamin’: Cubs v. Brewers (1:10 CT) – Lineups, Broadcast Info, etc.

miller parkWell, a four-game sweep is on the line today in Milwaukee. Probably a fair bit of pride, too.

Hey, Logan Watkins gets a start.

I’m traveling to a wedding today (flight is this afternoon), so your Enhanced Box Score is likely to be delayed considerably.

Game Info

Chicago Cubs (63-89) v. Milwaukee Brewers (68-83), 1:10 CT on WGN.

Game Thread and Series Preview

The Game Thread lives here. You should participate in the madness. And, of course, for those who aren’t into message board-style game threads, please feel free to use the comments on this post for your in-game commentary/outbursts.

Apologies for the lack of a Series Preview on this one. Just didn’t have time with the family move.

Starting Pitchers

Jake Arrieta (3-4, 5.49 ERA, 5.01 FIP (combined))


Kyle Lohse (10-9, 3.46 ERA, 4.10 FIP)

Milwaukee Brewers Lineup

1. Norichika Aoki, RF

2. Scooter Gennett, 2B Jean Segura, SS

3. Carlos Gomez, CF Jonathan Lucroy, C

4. Aramis Ramirez, 3B

5. Logan Schafer, LF

6. Jeff Bianchi, SS

7. Juan Francisco, 1B

8. Martin Mald0nado

9. Kyle Lohse, P

Chicago Cubs Lineup

1. Starlin Castro, SS

2. Luis Valbuena, 3B

3. Anthony Rizzo, 1B

4. Nate Schierholtz, RF

5. Ryan Sweeney, CF

6. Welington Castillo, C

7. Junior Lake, LF

8. Logan Watkins, 2B

9. Jake Arrieta, P

Brett Taylor is the editor and lead writer at Bleacher Nation, and can also be found as Bleacher Nation on Twitter and on Facebook.

191 responses to “Pre-Gamin’: Cubs v. Brewers (1:10 CT) – Lineups, Broadcast Info, etc.”

  1. CeeDeeVee

    Looks like Jon won’t be watching this game.

  2. ssckelley

    OMG, no Barney! Friggin Sveum, he needs to be fired.

  3. jon

    My prediction, Arrieta goes 5 innings, striking out 12, while giving up 6 runs.

    1. TWC


    2. MightyBear

      Good call.

  4. Jim

    Wow, the Brewers get multiple guys hitting 2nd..

    1. Eternal Pessimist

      It just seems that way…against our beloved Cubs.

  5. C. Steadman

    apparently Dale has decided the next couple of save opportunities(if there will be any) will go to Pedro Strop

    1. willis

      Haha, the key to your post is the “if there will be any”…Huge “if”.

      1. C. Steadman

        yeah, sad that there might not be another in these next 10 games…i was hoping Strop would at least get three save situations this season, but thats a dream now

  6. Funn Dave

    Somebody listened to the Watkins suggestions yesterday!

    Because obviously the FO makes all of its decisions based on BN comments.

    1. Jason P

      Haha, if they did, they would have started him a long time ago!

      1. hansman1982

        It would be hilarious to see an organization ran by a group of blog commentors.

        1. C. Steadman

          maybe BleacherNation should take over for the Marlins??

          1. hansman1982

            Ohhh, so you’re saying maybe it has already happened?

            1. C. Steadman

              haha i think we could do a better job that

  7. Stu

    It is amazing that it took this long for the Cubs to play Watkins. It has made zero sense to continue to put Barney out there. To see what? So he is a GG 2nd baseman who has reached is ceiling as a hitter. We have known that for most of the year.

    It has been refreshing to see Lake play regularly, so I’m not a complete troll to be dismissed by the Cubs FO enablers.

    1. jon

      And here we go….

      1. ETS

        You can argue (probably legitimately) that it doesn’t make sense to play Watkins in MLB games (yet), but I do hate when they call young guys with a fair amount of the minor league season left just to sit on the bench.

        1. jon

          If it was a prospect they gave two shits about, they wouldn’t have done that.

          1. miggy80

            Minor league season has been over for a while now

            1. ETS

              When did watkins leave Iowa?

              1. jon

                1st or 2nd week of august I think

              2. miggy80

                From what I’ve found he missed the last month of AAA

        2. frank

          This also implies that the experience of being in the major leagues, as well as working with and learning from major league coaches and players, is useless.

          1. Cubbie Blues

            No, it implies that playing on a daily basis in the Minors is better for development than sitting on the bench during games in the Majors. Not that Watkins is going to do anything in either place.

    2. miggy80

      Lake has started 3 of the last 6 games so maybe that’s regularly. Watkins is not MLB caliber and I’m sure Theo and the boys know this.

    3. DarthHater

      “I’m not a complete troll to be dismissed by the Cubs FO enablers.”

      Agreed. You’re a 75% troll, at most.

  8. mjhurdle

    the Watkins fan-boys are going to out in force today…

    1. jon

      Watkins mustered up a712 OPS in the PCL of all places, and people act like he’s going to magically be a solution to our offensive woes at second base. I just dont get it.

      1. miggy80

        And his defense is pretty soft

      2. cubsfanforever

        My thinking is not that at ALL. My thinking is simply that Barney sucks ass.

    2. ETS

      I think it’s more the “anything has to be better to watch than what we have been watching” fan boys.

    3. DarthHater

      I wasn’t a Watkins fan-boy, until I found out that he is capable of playing in four places at once!


      1. C. Steadman

        watch out for Annie!

        1. willis

          And he got a hit. Imagine if they would have sent Sweeney and he would have scored…oh boy.

          1. miggy80

            On that “if we would have sent Sweeney”. Is it just me or have there been a lot of Cubs thrown out at the plate this year?

            1. willis

              Tons. Cubs have no speed to speak of so lots of runners getting thrown out, and a lot of times it hasn’t been close.

              1. miggy80

                I wonder if Shark snuck that in when arguing with Bell the other day.

      2. cubchymyst

        Not impressed with the 4 places at once, he only appears to be able to throw the ball from one of them.

  9. Steve

    Val Buena hits a homerun. Maybe the Cubbies can actually win the final game of the series!!!!

    1. jon

      I hope not, They are in the Cat-Birds seat with that #4 pick.

  10. cubs2003

    Brett, I brought this up in another thread, but the Swiffer ad with an older couple=automatic audio. Just trying to help if it’s something you care about.

  11. willis

    I jinx everything, so I say this with caution, but nice to see Arrieta with 41 pitches through 3 innings.

  12. Eternal Pessimist

    Glad to see Lake in left field again. I think this is a better place for him to learn to play an outfield position before eventually returning him to CF. He looks more comfortable there to me so far.

  13. Eternal Pessimist

    Two hits already…bring on the Watkin’s love. That second hit was pretty weak, but I would imagine the slower velocity of a Barney grounder would have been scooped up for the out.

  14. waittilthisyear

    damn you logan watkins. i thought i would never have to input anything into the “theres no reason not to play him v. he sucks” debate, but now it looks as though it will only escalate.

  15. willis

    Take a mental snap shot of this lineup, it’s probably your opening day lineup next season.

    1. Jon


    2. hansman1982

      Gonna go ahead and save this one in the memory banks.

    3. On The Farm

      PrtScn, open paint, Ctrl + V, Ctrl + S, click Desktop, FILE NAME: 2014 Cubs Lineup. Done, thanks!

      1. willis

        You got it, anything to help.

        Logan Watkins…let the deification begin.

        1. On The Farm

          Just a placeholder until we can get a AAA bat ready. For once that is not intended as a negative comment, I think having Alcantara’s switch hitting bat in the lineup or Baez’s supreme power at the position will happen sooner rather than later in 2014.

  16. #23

    I still think it was very premature for some to call for Arrieta to be demoted to the bullpen. He may yet become a very good #2 starter. Hopefully he gets a full season next year to harness his tremendous stuff.

  17. BlameHendry

    Arietta looking sharp today! Only 1 hit, and at this point out of 62 pitches, 45 have been strikes!

    1. willis

      Yeah dude is sharp today. I’m down with giving him every opportunity to earn a spot in next year’s rotation.

  18. Kyle

    :( We’re never getting rid of the Logan Watkins Fan Club now…

    1. TWC

      moar buntz!

    2. On The Farm

      Well yeah, not only is he owning the Brewers right now, but he was also our minor league player of the year last season.

      1. Kyle

        Being minor league player of the year doesn’t mean a whole lot.

        1. Kyle

          It’s entirely possible I just wooshed that.

          1. On The Farm

            Just a bit. I could not care less who plays 2B from now until October, and even if he starts next season he is merely a placeholder for Baez or Alcantara.

  19. C. Steadman

    Well…Baez isnt playin in the AFL anymore…

  20. On The Farm

    Per Mooney, Muskat, and Jesse Rodgers… NO BAEZ IN AFL!!!!

    1. C. Steadman

      sad news…think Alcantara is his replacement?

      1. On The Farm

        I think Alcantara is suffering from fatigue as well. Both of them should get the rest of the year off and get ready to go for Spring Training 2014 to make their MLB debut push next year.

        1. C. Steadman

          yeah, I’m intrigued who the replacement will be though

    2. mjhurdle

      must be because they are about to call him up to the big leagues….

      Imagine, him and Logan Watkins in the same lineup, we would be unstoppable.

      1. C. Steadman

        yeah, baez hits a double, calls “ghostie” and pinch hits for watkins

        1. Funn Dave


      2. Funn Dave


    3. cubchymyst

      Wounder if Almora gets promoted from the Taxi squad to play more

  21. Jon

    Carrie Muskat ‏@CarrieMuskat 2m
    #Cubs GM Hoyer says Baez “emotionally and physically drained” after long season. Agreed best to rest

    1. On The Farm

      Makes sense, playing since last Spring Training through end of October is a lot to ask of him considering he almost had more PAs at Daytona then he did the entire season last year (He had 381 PAs between Solar Sox, Peoria, and Daytona) and had 337 PA in Daytona this season (573 total). A well earned break.

      1. willis

        Probably the right move. I was actually a little surprised he was on the list to play in the AFL because of his full season and then playoffs on top of it. The other guys involved didn’t get but about a half of a season under their belts (and Bryant less so) so getting them some more action against really good competition is a huge deal. Baez, not so much.

    2. Blublud

      That sucks. Baez is 20. If he can’t go through one full season without being drained, that’s a bad sign.

      1. Jon


      2. On The Farm

        He has 537+ PAs (he was there for Spring Training too) after 381 the year before. To be disappointed in his season being over is being a little dramatic.

        1. Blublud

          I’m disappointed because I want to see him against the best minor league competition.

          It sucks, because as a 20 yr old at that level, I would want to play as much baseball as I could.

          Hell, I just moved to Nashville, and I’m upset that I couldn’t find a softball team to play with for the fall season. I guess Baez doesn’t have my TWTW. :-D

          1. hansman1982

            “If he can’t go through one full season without being drained, that’s a bad sign.”

            So when you said this you meant…

            1. Blublud

              It means if I was good enough to play at the level he is good enough to play at(and I wish I was because I love baseball more then anything besides maybe family and life), I don’t think I could even get drained.

              1. C. Steadman

                but you’re speaking from a player who has never played pro baseball…its easy to judge since none of us have played that we have that wish to play at that level and if we had that opportunity we wouldnt waste it…but Baez has been in the minors for a couple years and already been to the AFL(if he hadnt played there already then I could see why itd be an issue), his only goal now is to rest up and come to Spring Training refreshed, in his mind he wants to earn a spot outta ST and thats his #1 priority(even though it might not be the FO’s plan), he’ll still probably practice under Cubs personel in Arizona so its not like he’s taking the whole offseason off

                1. Blublud

                  The it sucks part was more because I wanted to see him play against that competition. It wasn’t directed at Baez at all.

                  1. C. Steadman

                    yeah i wanted to see him play too..but i dont think its a “bad sign” or anything. I can see why he’s drained and I’m up for resting him for ST

          2. On The Farm

            “It sucks, because as a 20 yr old at that level, I would want to play as much baseball as I could. ”

            This where you tend to go wrong with your thinking. Dude is playing at a professional level, not whatever college level you played at. I am sure the strain is more than you have ever experienced. I am also sure he has logged more hours on buses this year than he cares to ever have to go again. You made the same argument at the Kris Bryant signing, something to the effect that if it was you, you would take less money because it would be better for the club (can spend the money elsewhere) and if he is so good this won’t be his only contract. I guess not everyone can be as awesome as you, but if he wants some time off I am fine with it.

            1. Blublud

              This has nothing to do with me playing baseball. Why is everything I say disected by you and hansman. I starting to get weird. It just means if I was 20 and playing at that level, you would almost have to kill me to take abat out my hand. The point is, I’m 32, playing softball, and will never play in the league, and you have to damn kill me to keep me from playing.

              1. Blublud


              2. DarthHater

                “Why is everything I say disected by you and hansman.”

                If you want to get rid of hansman, you’ll have to stop wearing that hamburger cologne…

              3. On The Farm

                Well the fact that you are so into these 20 year old kids decisions is a little weird. If a kid wants to hold out until the deadline after the draft and take slot because he wants to get paid big deal. If Baez is drained after a long season, cool, go home bro rest up for next season. Like I said I guess not everyone can be as awesome as you, but the fact that they made it to the level they are at, they get to make those decisions, and its almost like you are trying to put them down by saying “well if I was Javier Baez, you would have to kill me for me to not be in the AFL” seems extreme because you have no idea what it is like to go through a whole minor league season. And this whole thing started after you said: Baez can’t make it through a whole season, that’s a “bad sign”

                1. Blublud

                  I said if he can’t make it through a whole season without being drained, its a bad sign. It doesn’t mean I hate the kid. It doesn’t me that I want him traded, or that I no longer think he is the best prospect in baseball, because In my opinion, he is.

                  It just means I think a 20 yr old should wanna play as much as he can. Doesn’t mean I’m right. It’s just my opinion.

                  Its like you think I shouldn’t have my own opinion. It pretty funny.

                  1. hansman1982

                    “I said if he can’t make it through a whole season without being drained, its a bad sign.”

                    Not really. I am sure, with all the hours he has logged this year, he is as mentally drained as he is physically.

                  2. On The Farm

                    I never insinuated that you wanted Baez traded, on the contrary I know of you love of Baez (that I am cool with, everyone deserves a man crush). I am also cool with you having an opinion (obviously I have one too), but my opinion that it is absurd for you to declare that if you were in that position what you would do, because your experience in the matter is non-existent. It’s like me saying if I was Barrack Obama (not to get on politics, but I keep getting phone updates so its the first example that comes to mind), I would just give up on Obamacare, because if I don’t the Republicans are cool with shutting down the government.Dumb statement, obviously I don’t know the whole story, and I have no expertise in that area, so I have no right to make an absurd statement like that.

                    1. Blublud

                      Um. That what we do on this site all day, everyday. If I was Theo. If I was Jed. If I was Dale. Its just an opinion. We tend to put ourselves in Person X shoes and state what we would do. I have even seen you do it. So from here on out, I expect you not to post your opinion on trades, signings, coaching decisions or anything else for the rest of your bleachernation life. G ood or bad. You know, because you will never know what its like to be in those situations.

                    2. mjhurdle

                      well, i was class President once, which is a higher level of student government than most, so i assume then that i know more about it and am more able to offer opinions than you other simpletons.
                      so there is that.

                    3. On The Farm

                      Fair enough, I agree! Baez can’t get more than 537 PAs in a season what a sissy. God if I was his age, I would be drooling at the mouth for more at bats, like oooo please, please, please Theo?

                      Then there is the whole thing that if he can’t do 600 PA this season how is he going to fair in the long haul. God I just know this is going to be bad.

                    4. Blublud

                      Actually I was more concerned with him not wanting to play, or skipping it because he thinks he is already past that level, than his physical conditioning. I never said he was a sissy.

                  3. frank

                    Nope–you shouldn’t have your own opinion. You’d be better off, in any given circumstance, with my opinion.

                    1. DarthHater

                      We’d all be better off with Die hard’s opinion. We’d also all be better off with syphilis.

              4. Patrick W.

                I think the point is that we sometimes try to compare what athlete X is going through or what decision athlete X makes with our own experiences, and that’s going to rarely be an applicable thing. I mean, I’m 45 and play softball, started March 9th, will end September 29th. Nothing in my experience is remotely comparable to 537+ at bats across multiple levels riding buses and being away from family/friends/loved ones.

                It’s totally fine to say “I really wanted to see him play a little more” but that’s it. That’s the end of the conversation in terms of what you truly know about it. If he had a down year, was learning a brand new position for certainty, had to prove he could handle AAA, then fine, maybe from the outside we could say “he’s making a mistake” but he has proved at every level what his talent is, and he’s already been told he’ll be the starting short stop for the Iowa Cubs next season. What you may or may not have done 12 years ago had you been the minor league player of the year, anointed the SS at AAA, played since March, moved twice, is irrelevant to how anybody would judge Javy Baez not playing in the AFL.

              5. hansman1982

                Well, if you didn’t say so much that I thought was grossly wrong, I wouldn’t dissect it as much.

    3. cubchymyst

      This quote is coming from Hoyer and not Baez. Could be more of a front office decision than Baez. Baez might be willing to play but the front office might be looking at the increase in playing time and deciding to rest him.

      1. Blublud

        I was going to say it may be a FO decision.

  22. Stu

    Overplaying players who won’t be in the organization when the team becomes competitive is a fabulous idea.

    See, I’m working my way up from 75% troll.

  23. MightyBear

    I can’t speak for all of the Logan Watkins supporters but to me the argument wasn’t why play Watkins but why not? Somebody on the other side explain it to me with a response other than “He sucks”. Did we need Barney’s defense for the stretch pennant run? If Sveum isn’t being judged on W/L’s but player development, he screwed up with Watkins.

    1. Jon

      You can’t polish a turd.

      1. DarthHater
    2. mjhurdle

      that is making the giant assumption that Watkins not starting was coming solely from Sveum, which i highly doubt.
      The Front Office didn’t call Watkins up to start everyday and then just say ‘oh shucks, Sveum won’t start him. Oh well’.

      and to the point of why Watkins wasn’t starting, short answer is: the coaches thought he wasn’t ready to start more at the MLB level. That is the simplest and most obvious answer.

    3. Kyle

      Yes. Darwin Barney is more likely to develop and contribute to the Chicago Cubs’ future than Logan Watkins, and thus needed the playing time.

      1. MightyBear

        Did Theo tell you that?

        1. Kyle

          I had to explain it to him. He calls on me sometimes.

          1. MightyBear

            So its your fault for the past two seasons.

    4. Blublud

      I’ve never commented on the whole Watkins thing, but I don’t understand him not getting more starts. To say he is a major league caliber player(as soom have stated) is idiotic. I don’t think its a huge deal, as I don’t think he will ever be a starter long term, but I don’t see where it would hurt.

      1. Blublud

        Meant to say to say he is not a major league caliber player (as some have stated)

        I screwed that one all up.

  24. willis

    Sveum really is a funny man.

    We’re going to get Pedro Strop a couple opportunities to close blah blah blah

    Pedro Strop-in the 8th inning role when there is a fine opportunity to close today. You can’t count on many more wins…

    1. On The Farm

      No, but bullpen management (specifically how he uses the Cubs 2014 closer) could be a criteria he is evaluated on this offseason. I am a little surprised, since I don’t think anyone would disagree with you the opportunities are going to be limited.

      1. Blublud

        I font think there is any difference in Strop pitching in the 8th or the 9th. He should pitch the same in either enviroment.

        1. On The Farm

          If that were the case teams wouldn’t have closers, the fact is, people think the last three outs to get are harder to get than outs 22,23, and 24. If the FO really wants Strop as the 2014 closer they should get an early look at him in those situations now. It tooks us until a journey man this season before we could find someone to close out games, so it must not be as easy as “just pitch like you are pitching the 8th”.

          1. hansman1982

            Teams use closers and have dedicated closers because of the save stat. Usually, there are much higher leverage situations where the ace reliever should have been used prior to starting off the 9th inning.

            1. On The Farm

              I understand this, but the Cubs do have a closer, so wouldn’t we buy into my line of thinking or am I wrong. I very well could be I haven’t really watched a game past the 7th inning since about July. I don’t like the save stat as much as the next guy, but to me it seems like one of those “that’s how we used to do it, so that’s how we still do it” things that modern baseball has yet to move away from.

            2. Blublud

              I actually think this is also why closer stats are typically better then other relievers. They tend to pitch in less high leverage situations then other relievers, not because they are always better.

              1. On The Farm

                Never thought of that, but parts of that could be true.

          2. Blublud

            I actually believe in clutch in baseball and would agree. My point is I don’t think you have to pitch in the 9th to be evaluated as a closer. His stuff will be the same. And even if he get 3 chances and save all 3, would exactly would that prove going into next year.

            1. On The Farm

              I am not sure what it would prove statistically, but if he truly is a headcase it could be valuable for his mental aspect, and just nice to get the “experience”. I agree that it is not necessary, but if you say one thing and do another its frustrating.

              1. Blublud

                That’s just Sveum. I think he is a bigger headcase than Strop. But that’s just my opinion. ;-)

              2. Blublud

                On the farm, I just thought of something. You don’t know what its like to be a manager of a professional baseball team, so maybe you shouldn’t question Sveum’s decisions. :-D

                1. Patrick W.

                  Except he didn’t say “I manage my local t-ball team, so keep that in mind when I give you my opinion, which should now have more weight than others in your mind, because I manage a t-ball team.”

                  1. Blublud

                    1st off, I wasn’t talking to you.

                    2nd off, my comment was only in reference to that one statement about knowing the game, so let it go.

                    3rd off, I actually like OTF and was mostly joking with him, as I am most off the time when I post.

                    4th off, if you take what someone says on this site personal, then its you with the problem.

                    5th off, who the fuck are you you again.

                    1. TWC

                      You sound like a guy who used to play college ball.

                    2. Patrick W.

                      I am somebody who presumes when I post something on the internet in an open forum, I am talking to everybody who reads said forum.

                      I’m not sure what I took personal(ly).

                    3. Blublud

                      Once again. I’m just joking. I started trying to put smileys to let you know when I’m joking.

                      Note to Bleachernation. From here on out, please do not take my post personal, or think it’s anything other then my simple opinion. I do not know more then anybody else, actually, I know nothing. I’m just a lost soul who loves baseball, had a man crush on Campana and broke up with him for Javier Baez. I like to have fun, and while you guys are taking my post and acting like I’m some crazy psycho, I’m usually laughing on the other end. I mean what I post, but its just my opinion. Please do get to angry at it.

                      Is that better Patrick.

                    4. TWC

                      “[W]hile you guys are … acting like I’m some crazy psycho, I’m usually laughing [maniacally] on the other end.”

                      Yeah, Jay. THAT’s reassuring.

                      “Please do get to angry at it.”


                    5. Brains

                      Theo’s “plan” is working, Cubs fans have spent weeks attacking each other. Disharmony reins supreme in practice and in spirit.

                    6. Brains

                      it “reigns” too

                2. DarthHater

                  Believe me, Blu, the smileys don’t do much good. And they really piss off TWC. :-P

                  1. waittilthisyear

                    reply to patrick w: i am somebody who presumes when i post something on the internet in an open forum, somebody, somewhere, will masturbate to it

                    1. TWC

                      Damn. Busted.

                    2. Blublud

                      Damn, how do you know what I think? You know me better then me.

                  2. TWC

                    Emoticons… smh!

                3. On The Farm


                  To be fair..I originally stated: “If the FO really wants Strop as the 2014 closer they should get an early look at him”, So I wasn’t giving my opinion on I think Strop should close as much as if the FO is going to tell me he is the closer for 2014 and they want to give him some opportunities this season, I am going to get upset. I don’t ever question Dale’s bullpen moves (except in the case when it seems to contradict FO statements). I don’t mind Dale, but I wouldn’t be sad to see him let go.

    2. C. Steadman

      yeah that pissed me off…i wanted to see Strop in that role, no disrespect to the job Gregg has done, but as a 35 yr old journeyman his future with the club is not as important as Strop’s

      1. willis

        It would have been nice to see Strop to see how he reacts to it, no doubt. But if Sveum wants to finish things with what has been working and allow Gregg to notch a couple more saves, fine, no biggie to me. But…

        Don’t come out and tell everyone that Strop is going to get the opportunity then like 3 hours after saying it, do the exact opposite. That’s annoying (and typical).

        1. C. Steadman

          yeah, but oh well…it wouldnt have even been a save situation as it turned out..Bogey made sure of that

  25. Jason P

    Nice start from Arrieta. 3 hits from Rizzo are nice to see as well.

  26. On The Farm

    Castillo left for a sore knee? Anyone know how “serious” that could be?

    1. C. Steadman

      Bruce Miles tweeted that Castillo is feeling “sharp pain” in his right knee

  27. Die hard

    Guess Sveum figured Cubs can’t make playoffs and so vy not? 🎓🎓🎓

  28. Jon

    Also consider that it’s quite possible the Cubs and Marlins have the early framework together on a trade that brings in Stanton for Baez, and maybe the Cubs don’t want to risk an injury to Baez in the AFL that could derail it?

    1. Professor Snarks

      Baez asked out. Cubs gave him permission. That’s all. Baez playing in the AFL, or not, will not impact the possibility of him being traded.

      1. Jon

        Well,(provided he’s not traded) I think it’s clear that as soon has he passes the threshold for super 2 in June, he’s up ASAP. It’s not even a question. They needs something to inject interest in the big league roster

        1. Professor Snarks

          I think with the hype train that is Javier Baez, a trade would be extremely risky for this FO. They would have to be sure 1). they are getting a better player, or 2). Baez will bust (both possible). The PR hit for trading away your best prospect is real.

          i don’t know if fan interest should be the reason, but if Baez shows he’s ready, they may not wait to the Super 2 deadline. i guess it’ll depend on how much longer they would have to wait, but if it was longer than a month, the FO could just say ‘F… it, and bring him up.

          1. Blublud

            I don’t think the FO should make personnel decisions based off of fans interest. I don’t think Baez is traded because this FO is not going to mske a deal involving sending out top prospects until at least after thr first wave as arrived and the tesm shows some sign of a turn around. I think Baez, Bryant and maybe Alcantara will at least reach the bigs as Cubs, because they are the first wave. They could be traded eventually. However, if they, along with the team, show signs of a turnaround, the 2nd wave lead by, Johnson, Edwards, Almora, Vogs and a few others could then be traded. Soler is probably a different case all together.

            1. Professor Snarks

              I agree. The FO shouldn’t make, or not make, a trade because of fan interest, but when someone is getting the hype Baez is, you do have to be careful. Baseball is still a business, and you can’t risk upsetting your customer base. I also agree with you that trading the two players that are deemed closest to the majors, Bryant and Baez, will not happen. Baez alone won’t get you Stanton (no thanks on Price), and we have too many needs to trade 2 or 3 potential starters to get only 1 back.

              1. Blublud

                I’m actually the opposite. No thanks on Stanton.

                1. Professor Snarks

                  I just think the risk is lower with Stanton than Price. Cubs won’t be ready to compete for a few years, and when you factor in age, contract and injury risk, I’ll take the younger power hitter. However, I will agree that Stanton comes with plenty of question marks, and would not include Baez in a package for him. If Miami wants to talk about Olt and Almora (but they won’t), I’d be okay with that.

                  1. Blublud

                    Stanton is good, but he is a bit overhyped. I don’t think he is worth what it will cost in prospects+dollars to get him.

  29. Aaron

    Nice win this afternoon against the Brewers. Arrieta gave up only 1 run in 7 solid innings. I’m looking forward to see what he can do next year playing a full-season.

  30. C. Steadman

    apparently Vizcaino is dropping outta the AFL too and is heading to the Cubs Instructional League instead, this is so the Cubs have more control of his rehab…per Bruce Miles tweet

    1. willis

      Likely story. He’s probably suffering another setback and will have his contributions to the cubs delayed even further. I had a feeling him pitching in the AFL was too good to be true. Please no more TJS signings or trades. Good lord.

      1. Blublud

        Or, putting him in another coaches hands in the AFL, while he only receives 4 or 5 outings just isn’t worth it

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