Enhanced Box Score: Braves 1, Cubs 3 – September 21, 2013

The Cubs beat the Braves tonight. Bully for them. That’s all I got.

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Brett Taylor is the editor and lead writer at Bleacher Nation, and can also be found as Bleacher Nation on Twitter and on Facebook.

64 responses to “Enhanced Box Score: Braves 1, Cubs 3 – September 21, 2013”

  1. sven-erik312

    Great win yesterday. Now, come on Jax, we gotta have a win today.

  2. cubmig

    Does winning even matter?

  3. sven-erik312

    A win is a win is win. If for no other reason, you have to play for yourself. But I understand what you mean.

    1. arta


  4. Cubbie in NC

    I do not want to see the Braves celebrating in Wrigley. I was hoping that Washington would lose last night so I would not have to watch it. Now I have to hope for a Cubs win…

    1. Jay

      I have to agree with you. I was hoping for that Nats loss too so they could celebrate in their hotel last night. We need that 4th overall pick in 2014 but the Braves just rub me the wrong way. Lost season for the Cubs but I don’t want to see them celebrating at Wrigley!

  5. Voice of Reason

    Andrew cashner will have a better career than Anthony rizzo.

    1. hansman1982

      Where in the sam hell did this even come from?

      1. SenorGato

        Where alot of other things come from with this particular poster.

        1. TOOT

          I think “Voice of Reason” raises a good point. Rizzo is hitting very close to the Mendoza line. Cash is being Cash, with his 3.24 ERA and 1.15 WHIP. I have always questioned that deal. I’m not saying I don’t like Riz, but one does have to question the “deal”.

          1. DarthHater

            Top Ten Sentences Never Before Spoken:
            10. I think “Voice of Reason” raises a good point.
            9. I always enjoy Die hard’s profound insights into baseball.
            8. . . .

            1. TOOT

              DarthHater NEVER pounces on people’s opinions.

              1. DarthHater

                Yep, never heard that one before. ;-)

          2. SenorGato

            Not that this means much but .231 is closer to league average than it is the Mendoza line.

            1. willis

              AVERAGE MEANS NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!;)

              1. TOOT

                I wouldn’t go that far. Average does have relevance in evaluating.

                1. willis

                  For sure, I was just razzing because it gets people fired up around these parts.

                  1. DarthHater

                    I never let a talking gerbil get me fired up. :-P

                    1. willis

                      Don’t make me play the battle of Endor card.

            2. TOOT

              Yes. And I did not realize this. Riz and Cash have exactly the same War stats, sitting @ 2.2 respectively. Yikes, now I don’t know what side of the Mendoza line I’m on. Good comment.

          3. hansman

            Checkout his home/road splits.


            It’s highly probable he wouldn’t be having the same stats as he has now.

            1. DarthHater

              Yea, when you look at analytical stats that adjust for things like park effects, Cashner’s numbers don’t look as good. For example, Baseball Prospectus uses “Fair Run Average” (FRA).* Edwin Jackson’s 2013 FRA is equal to Cashner’s, and Travis Wood’s and Samardzija’s are better.

              *From Baseball Prospectus Glossary:
              Fair Run Average (FRA) is scaled to run average and measures not only what a pitcher did, but also when he did it. Adjustments are made for defensive quality.

              Fair Run Average differs from FIP in a few ways. While FIP is concerned only with what a pitcher is believed to control-typically strikeouts, walks, and home runs, though Prospectus includes hit batsmen in our FIP calculation-Fair Run Average takes things a step further. Pitchers receive credit for good sequencing, thus rewarding pitchers who seem to work out of jams more often than usual. Fair Run Average also considers batted ball distribution, base-out state, and team defensive quality (as measured by Fielding Runs Above Average).

              1. TOOT

                Darth, is that U or DOC Wim?

                1. DarthHater

                  It’s me. Doc actually speaks his own thoughts. I just quote from websites. :-P

                  1. TOOT

                    Speaking of Doc, I hope he he comments here if he has the time. His thoughts are always intriguing.

  6. kuvihorken

    we should trade samardzija for ichiro sizuky.

  7. Sven-Erik312

    We should just hang in there until all those hot young guns have a shot in a couple of years. Until then, enjoy the wins when they come. Hey Brett, are you on the AFL this fall? Looking forward to some great coverage of those guys between you and Luke! I’ll be watching the divisional play offs and the WS, the NFL is intresting if the Bears do well. But when the ACC basketball season starts up, I’ll be focused on that. I left Tobacco Road in 1984 for the Big Ten when I moved from North Carolina to Chicago. While everything else about the transfer to the Midwest went well, I just couldn’t shake my allegiance to ACC basketball. So if there’s som room here for that too during the off season, we can have some fun while we wait for Spring Training in February!

  8. Voice of Reason

    They should have traded shark to the dbacks when they had the chance to get over value for shark.

    Shark is a number three starter and those are easy to come by.

    1. SenorGato

      Yeah they practically grow on trees those guys.

    2. hansman

      Oh, so what were the diamondbacks offering that was so appealing for Shark?

      1. DarthHater

        Sorry, hansman. You need to direct questions like that to Voice of Facts. :-P

        1. Voice of Reason

          I told you Darth hater that if I ever want any lip out of you I’ll rattle my zipper.

          1. DarthHater

            You also told me that that you were never going to respond to my posts. Guess that was about as accurate as most of the other “reason” you voice.

            1. Voice of Reason

              Darth, you’re like the chunky kid in school who always gets made fun of. The chunky kid always bullies others because of low self esteem.

              Darth, u bully others on this website to make up for your lack of knowledge. You never post anything worthy opting instead to always bully others.

              Its a very unattractive trait and the bullying obviously doesn’t work with me.

              1. DarthHater

                Actually, I have seen many posts by other people also pointing out what a tediously arrogant, self-important douchenozzle you are. All such posts are quite “worthy.”

                1. TOOT

                  Was that necessary. Really!

              2. DarthHater

                Oh, and if you’re making “worthy” comments, you might want to go ahead and answer hansman’s question one of these days. That goalpost-mover of yours is getting a lot of mileage.

      2. TOOT

        Point well taken. But do you give Samarzija th BIG contract?

        1. hansman

          If you can get him on an Edwin Jackson type deal this offseason I’d say you do it.

          1. TOOT

            Just curious. What is you reasoning behind your statement. You seem so confident in the guy.

          2. Voice of Reason

            There is no way I’m giving shark Edwin Jackson money. Trade him for more prospects. Shark is what he is a number three starter.

            1. TOOT

              At this point, Cubs are questioning whether he is a 4th or 5th starter. He very well could be toast.

            2. SenorGato

              What is the reason for considering a 3 starter a knock?

              If there’s a guy to trade it would be Travis Wood.

              1. TOOT

                Why? What basis?

                1. MichiganGoat

                  Well he just had a career year so his value is the highest it’s ever been vs Shark whose value has diminished this year. Not that I’m saying trade TWood but that would be the rationale.

                  1. TOOT

                    Do you trade Wood or a under acheiving pitcher(Samardzija)? You dump Samardzija, as much as hate to say it. And that’s final!

                    1. Soda Popinski

                      You don’t dump somebody while they are underperforming. Shark is capable of pitching much better (see last year). His value is low right now. Why on earth would you trade him?

                    2. MichiganGoat

                      No it’s not final, you trade neither and hope TWood continues this path and Shark regains his form. This need for absolutes about players after half a season of struggle baffles me. Ultra ding Shark for anything but a great return because 1-he hasn’t become an Ace, 2-he had a bad second half, and/or 3-because some fans don’t like him is ridiculous. You don’t dump him for a meh return just because we’re unhappy with the 2nd half.

                    3. MichiganGoat

                      Well said Soda (and I still love the name and avatar)

                    4. MichiganGoat

                      Somehow “trading” became “Ultra ding” which isn’t a bad band or avatar name

                    5. Soda Popinski

                      Haha. Thanks goat. Had a good belly laugh about “Ultra-dinging” Shark.

    3. Soda Popinski

      Shark is better than a number 3 starter. His stuff is nasty. He just underperformed this year. I’m glad we still have him.

      1. Voice of Reason

        This is his second full year as a starter so you can’t say he is underperforming. There is no true measuring stick for him.

        His stuff is nasty? He is better than a #3 starter??

        Oh brother!

        1. Soda Popinski

          I automatically get skeptical when somebody projects him or herself as a voice of reason. His stuff IS nasty. He ks over a batter per inning as a starter. Plus, just watch him pitch. It’s pretty clear.

          1. Voice of Reason

            His stuff is far from “nasty”. Sorry, but that’s not debatable and nobody in their right mind will agree that it is “nasty!

            Anyone agree that its nasty??

            That said, its what I said, #3 starter stuff for shark. Far from nasty.

            1. Soda Popinski

              …annnnd I realize I’ve just fed a troll.

              1. Voice of Reason

                And I realize that I’m posting with someone who is drinking the cub kool aid or simply doesn’t know baseball.

  9. Bill

    I agree about samardzija.I knew he wasn’t as good as he was pitching earlier in the year and we should of traded him when his value was high.he reminds me of Zambrano lite the way he loses his composure on the mound when things are not going his way.

  10. waittilthisyear

    its amazing how many people are promoting shark related trades these days, when, as i recall, around the trade deadline everyone was saying if we didnt get an entire farm system for him we shouldn’t trade him. can’t have it both ways folks, stick to your guns

    1. SenorGato

      It is amazing to me just to see how quickly and easily things change. That and the idea that being “only” a #3 is some kind of knock…particularly a big, injury free “#3″ with a mid-90′s fastball and an out pitch offspeed…Wooooooooooe!

      That said, I’ve always thought it was ridiculous to consider him untouchable. Of course that untouchable tag came after he broke out of being one of the two or three most hated guys on the roster…sports.

      1. hansman

        Itis enjoyable that the only Cubs players that get undying, irrational, The Notebook style love are the Campana’s, Theriot’s and backup catchers.

        1. waittilthisyear

          its amazing how well watkins will fit into that narrative.

          1. SenorGato

            For someone else maybe. Barney/Baez or Cano for 2014 2B!

  11. TOOT

    “This need for absolutes about players after half a season of struggle baffles me. ”

    Sorry MichGoat. Samardzija has been doing this his whole baseball career. Milionaire because of baffling bullshit.

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