Well, Wrigley saw a division-clincher today, but it was the Braves doing the clinching (they actually clinched by virtue of a Nationals loss before this game had ended). It’ll be nice when that happens for the Cubs again.

Edwin Jackson had a mixed outing today, touched up by the long ball, but striking out six while walking none.

On the offensive side, there was one particularly rough day …

sept 22 box

Full box.

  • #23

    I would like for the Cubs to sign Tanaka or Jiminez in the offseason, but it is interesting that Garza and Feldman will most likely be available again.

  • The Dude Abides

    I see Jackson lowered his ERA & WHIP today,

  • #23

    Jackson gives them innings and some stability. I do hope he improves the bad record next year though and I think he will. But I do look forward to the day when we have some stud pitchers coming through the system (ie. Edwards?).

    • ClevelandCubsFan

      Improve the bad record? Poor guy has almost no control over the record! That’s on the offense that comes to play and the defense behind him. On a good team, Jackson would be a 14 game winner.

      • wvcubsfan

        While I’m right there with you that W-L is not a good gauge of a starting pitcher, it’s next to impossible to say he would have been a 14 game winner on any other team.

        • MichiganGoat

          W/L record is the worst way to measure pitching.

          • Blublud

            No way. The win is the best to measure a pitchers performance. Good pitchers win games, bad pitchers lose………….

            Ok. Even I can’t argue that one. Wins and Loses are really only good when gauging a pitchers performance against another pitcher on their own team. Even then, it a flawed stat. It may the most circumstantial stat in all of baseball. Maybe that and putouts.

        • ClevelandCubsFan

          Educated guess. xFIP of 3.87 and FIP- of 92.

          Feldman is at 3.95 xFIP and has 12 wins.
          Arroyo is at 3.89 xFIP and has 13 wins.
          Lester is at 3.88 xFIP and has 15 wins.
          Teheran is at 3.80 xFIP and has 12 wins.

          so, maybe 12-13 is more like it.

          • MichiganGoat

            So why even look at the W/L record, just consider the FIP and stop worry about W/L record.

            • ClevelandCubsFan

              Exactly. I was responding to #23’s hope that Jackson improves his record. My point was that W/L was meaningless; that his advanced metrics point to a guy who might win 14 on good team (again, not that it matters; just trying to show the fickleness of it). That number was challenged, so I pulled some comps to show it’s not a crazy number. Jackson has been a solid pitcher for us. Average. Maybe a little better than average; maybe a little worse. He’s average. Average pitchers don’t usually go 8-16 on good teams.

              • jt

                first 11 games 8.6K/9IP, then games until today 6.0K/9
                first 11 games 3.8BB/9IP, then games until today 2.6BB/9IP
                games after the first 11 until today’s his ERA is 3.96.
                Including today’s game he has pitched 19 games at about the stats he has earned throughout his career.
                Jackson did not have command at the beginning of the year. He walked more and he was not hitting his spots inside the K zone. At times he can get away with blowing a few guys away but he is not Randy Johnson. The elevated K’s at year’s start was actually a bad indicator.

                • wilbur

                  Another rater unscientific way to look at it, jackson’s era is around 4.5, or 4 over last few games. The team is scoring around 3.8 runs per game. So if your runs cored per game are less than your era then you will be sub 500 pitcher almost all the time. As they approach equivalence you’d expect the pitcher’s record to approach 500. Or so it seems to me, of course this is an approximation not including such things as unearned runs etc., but you get the idea.. No accident that Sharks era is close to jacksons and his record is also starting to resemble ejack’s too.

          • cub2014

            Feldman,Arroyo,Garza all FA this year
            I think we can afford to trade a #3-4 starter,
            there are plenty we can sign to replace one.

            • ClevelandCubsFan

              Feldman and Arroyo are #4 starters on a really good rotation, IMO. #3 guys in a simply good one. (#2 guys on ours….) Garza might be interesting since his stock is down a bit and we have a history. Garza still probably hasn’t hit his ceiling. Feldman–I’m not sure how much he is worth. Plus he might be a touched overpriced–I think his numbers look inflated. Arroyo is too old.

              • MichiganGoat

                This whole “he’s a 2 no he’s a 3 no he’s a 4” is arguing over something that has no definition. Let’s just find good and/or reliable MLB starters and let the managers set the rotations. I don’t care if he is a 2,3,4,5 as long as he can contribute positively (and that does equal W/L) and be reliable he is useful.

                • DarthHater

                  Said the #3 goat. 😛

                  • MichiganGoat

                    I’m a #5 thank you three kids and a wife start before me, I just hope I can hold on to my job.

                    • DarthHater

                      I’m sure the whole Goat family is #1, provided one uses the correct metric. 😉

                    • Hansman

                      Sure, if you use RBIs.


                    • MichiganGoat

                      Wait there is another stat than RBI because we are great at that.

                • ClevelandCubsFan

                  Yeah, philosophically you’re right. On a practical level, with limited budgets and limited supply that force compromises on quality (you ain’t going to have 5 Kershaws), I don’t think it’s unreasonable to talk in terms of–where a team’s at or where a team wants to be and how a player would slot based on those goals.

                  Maybe it’d be better to say, on and average rotation, an average pitcher liked Feldman or Arroyo would fit right in. On a team looking to be competitive or have a strong rotation, Arroyo or Feldman start to push the limits of what you’d settle for.

                  • baldtaxguy

                    I am almost certain no one will disgree with you that average pitchers fit within average rotations…..

                    …on average…. :)

            • wilbur

              Feldman and Garza can’t get qualifying offers so wouldn’t cost a comp draft pick. Arroya could. Of the three, my pick and who I think the FO would most likely go for is Feldman, but how many years would he want? Baker may be available for a friendlier contract and be a better option for next season. But what would it take to sign Feldman and for how many years?

      • #23

        that is my point. he is a better pitcher than his record would indicate, hence the record should improve next year.

        • #23

          that response was meant for clevelandcubsfan

    • jt

      I look at today’s pitcher’s W/L as a team stat. T. Wood’s record should have been better. The ERA indicates either a great pitcher on a bad fielding team or a good pitcher on a good fielding defense. Hey, they ain’t scoring runs for this guy but he is preventing runs but not in the same way as Koufax.
      Jackson’s dip in ERA after his first 11 starts should show a few more wins if there was an offense capable of bailing him out.
      So yeah, I agree that the W/L thing has not the same meaning as it did for Spahn and Gibson. I agree that it is not a stat that delves deep. But I find it useful as an indicator stat for the first scan of a historical team or a team that I have not been following.
      I also find it useful to create context when talking to a casual fan.

  • Josh

    Was anyone around the women that passed away at the game today?

  • Melrosepad

    Like seeing Hector Rondon pitching better this final month.
    6 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 6 K
    I’m hoping he gets a shot next year. Already in 2013 he has 10 IP more than the past three years combined, and that probably has a lot to do with the ERA. Here’s hoping the offseason goes well and he can be a valuable piece for the 2014 bullpen.

    • Blublud

      Ro don has never been a reliever be fore this year. He will like return to AA next year and be stretched backed out into a starter, where he can work on some things, and if he is unsuccessful, he can always return to the league as a reliever. He’s not exactly uoung though.

      • willis

        Yeah I think he has some good stuff, but he was a rule 5 roster guy this year, he’ll be put back in the system next season, probably AA as blubud said to harness his stuff and get more consistent, higher level action. I think he can be a pen arm down the line but needs a little more tinkering.

  • http://Bleachernation Oliver

    Bad idea to sign a 500 pitcher because
    He can eat innings
    Someone has lost it.. But just take a look.
    They are not interested in winning, at least not now..its obvious.

  • http://deepcenterfield.blogspot.com Jason Powers

    Fun fact: Since the 1962 expansion of schedule, the 2013 Cubs have scored only more runs than the 1963, 1981, 1992, and 1994 squads. As we should know, the 1981 and 1994 seasons were severely shortened by strikes.

    Since 1945, the last World Series, only the 1947 Cubs have been more futile in a season at scoring runs (569) in 154 games.

    Next up: 1976 Cubs at 611 runs. So in 6 remaining games, 18 runs must be scored to tie.

    2012: 613 runs scored.

    Fact #2: The 2012 & 2013 squads are the worst in OBP since our last World Series appearance.

    Shouldn’t surprise, but the best OBP seasons Cubs went to the playoffs or World Series.

    So, there’s room for improvement, A LOT of ROOM.

    • C. Steadman

      ugh…thanks for making my Monday so bright…those numbers are dismal

  • http://Bleachernation Oliver

    Great management.
    Bring up or bring in a great hitter.. Teach them how to
    Bat your way, take 40 or 50 points off your their batting average,
    Wow are we intelligent.. Just ask me
    How many frustrated fans are out there besides me or are
    All the fans wanting change?

    • MichiganGoat

      If I
      break my lines
      then will you listen

      breaks the current of
      the plan
      Rise up grasshopper
      and jump into
      the abyss
      and relish
      the genius the
      HORROR of having
      so much
      bile and pain.

      The breaks
      in lines are breaks
      The jacket is
      straight it is the
      that is twisted

      • Michael Hammermeister

        You certainly didn’t do justice for poetry.

        • MichiganGoat

          The prose is clean

  • Die hard

    Bears bring in a new regime and find a way to win

    • EvenBetterNewsV2.0

      I am a Bears fan. I think Trestman is a fine coach. That said, they were 10-6 last year. It isn’t like they were losing Diehard. I know that doesn’t fit your constant trolling, but what you said just isn’t accurate. If I remember correctly the Bears started something like 8-1 last year. So year, if this team starts like that then I will be very happy. Keep the faith though.

    • DarthHater

      Die hard brings in an irrelevant comparison and fins a way to troll.

      • DarthHater


      • MichiganGoat

        die hard is a genius and you are lucky that you can even read his words.

  • Die hard

    Next yr the fans would accept 120 losses if with only kids and new mgr over 90 losses and same old same old

    • EvenBetterNewsV2.0

      Are you drunk?

  • Dustin S

    In the end E Jackson’s 2013 numbers were in line generally with his career numbers. Some stats like WHIP were actually a little better than career, ERA slightly higher, but for the most part he was what we and the Cubs should have expected. He’s a mid-low 4.xx ERA guy (low on a good year), who’s performance varies quite a bit because of the high WHIP. But hopefully his 2014 can be closer to the better end of his performance curve.

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