epstein conference cubsTogether with the official release on Dale Sveum’s dismissal, Chicago Cubs President of Baseball Operations Theo Epstein included a lengthy statement explaining the decision and the next steps. It’s quite well said, so I think it’s worth sharing the whole thing with you:

Today, we made the very difficult decision to relieve Dale Sveum of his duties as Cubs manager. Dale has been a committed leader for this team the last two seasons, and I want to thank him for all of his dedication and hard work. I have a lot of admiration for Dale personally, and we all learned a lot from the way he has handled the trying circumstances of the last two years, especially the last two weeks, with strength and dignity.

In his own authentic and understated way, Dale always put the team first and never complained about the hand he was dealt. He and his staff helped us excel in game planning and defensive positioning, contributed to the emergence of several players, and helped put us in position to make some important trades. I have no doubt that – much like Terry Francona, whom we hired in Boston after his stint with a losing Phillies club – Dale will go on to great success with his next team. We had hoped Dale would grow with our organization to see it through the building phase to a period of sustained excellence; instead, I believe Dale, who felt the weight of losing perhaps more than any of us, will grow because of this experience and find excellence elsewhere.

Today’s decision to pursue a new manager was not made because of wins and losses. Our record is a function of our long-term building plan and the moves we have made – some good, a few we would like back – to further this strategy. Jed and I take full responsibility for that. Today’s decision was absolutely not made to provide a scapegoat for our shortcomings or to distract from our biggest issue – a shortage of talent at the major league level. We have been transparent about what we are, and what we are not yet. Today’s decision, which was painful for all of us, was made to move us closer to fulfilling our ultimate long-term vision for the Cubs.

Soon, our organization will transition from a phase in which we have been primarily acquiring young talent to a phase in which we will promote many of our best prospects and actually field a very young, very talented club at the major league level. The losing has been hard on all of us, but we now have one of the top farm systems in baseball, some of the very best prospects in the game, and a clear path forward. In order for us to win with this group – and win consistently – we must have the best possible environment for young players to learn, develop and thrive at the major league level. We must have clear and cohesive communication with our players about the most important parts of the game. And – even while the organization takes a patient, long view – we must somehow establish and maintain a galvanized, winning culture around the major league club.

I believe a dynamic new voice – and the energy, creativity and freshness that comes with this type of change – provides us with the best opportunity to achieve the major league environment we seek. We will begin our search immediately – a process which will be completed before the GM meetings in early November and perhaps much sooner. There are no absolute criteria, but we will prioritize managerial or other on-field leadership experience and we will prioritize expertise developing young talent. We have not yet contacted any candidates or asked permission to speak with any candidates, but that process will begin tomorrow morning.

That’ll take some parsing, but the takeaway is largely what we’ve heard all along: it isn’t Dale’s fault, and it remains a transitional period.

The search begins tomorrow – and we’ll see if the Cubs already knew who they wanted, or if they simply knew they didn’t want Sveum anymore – and should be completed by early November.

  • Jon

    I read that as “We don’t trust Dale developing our prospects coming up”

    • EvenBetterNewsV2.0

      I am with you. I copied before I read your comment….

      “In order for us to win with this group – and win consistently – we must have the best possible environment for young players to learn, develop and thrive at the major league level. We must have clear and cohesive communication with our players about the most important parts of the game. And – even while the organization takes a patient, long view – we must somehow establish and maintain a galvanized, winning culture around the major league club.”

      They didn’t trust him in the least with the kids.

    • Professor Snarks

      Yes, Jon. Their was NO way Theo was going to let those kids play under Sveum. NO way.

      You know what’s kind of cool? The so called ‘Dale Haters’ on this site have been saying this for weeks now (and getting blasted for it). So it appears fans CAN see what’s going on.

      I will give Theo credit. He didn’t throw Dale totally under the bus.

      • Grant

        Precisely, while we were told being able to handle the media and such things were far more important in evaluating Sveum.

        The fact of the matter is that the most important thing for the long-term health of the club is developing the young talent we’ve acquired over the past 2 years. We’ve gone a long way towards doing this in the minors, but at the big league level, we’ve seen our 3 most important long-term assets take a step back in their development over the past 1-2 years. Maybe this is Sveum’s fault, maybe it isn’t, but this is so critical to “The Plan” that we can’t take a chance on this anymore. We need to find someone who will take these young players from the minors and turn them into major league winners, and based on limited evidence, Sveum couldn’t do that.

        I don’t dislike Dale, though I said at the time of his hire I didn’t think he was the right guy for the job. I think he was stuck with a pretty crappy hand, but what it all comes down to is that the players we most need to reach their potential weren’t doing so, so it’s time to go with someone we feel has a better chance of doing that.

  • Bails17

    Let’s just look at what Giardi did in Florida. Do you think he fits the mold of succeeding in that environment? Ummm…yes. This will be interesting to watch play out. My guess is they are going to target Giardi first, and most likely that “wish” lead the the early dismissal of Dale.

    • Bails17

      led to the…man I can’t type today.

    • 1060Ivy

      You mean get into a public argument with Loria and basically show the Owner up?

      Believe that Girardi could be great for the Cubs and would love for Joe to make it back to Chicago but I don’t see it happening.

      • ThompsonLives

        If any MLB owner deserves to be shown up and F-bombed into perpetuity, it’s Loria. If I had to work for that lying, cheapskate motherfucker, I’d go Elia on his ass repeatedly.

      • ClevelandCubsFan

        Girardi may have been wrong. But Loria was WAY out of bounds. He was HECKLING an umpire during a game, and the umpire had to warn GIRARDI. Not to mention that an owner pissing off an umpire could have ramifications for the whole season. You don’t want umpires taking their job personally.

        While Girardi should not have publicly rebuked Loria (though some would argue against me on that), in the heat of trying to win a game, it’s hard to get too worked up about that. And I think that the integrity to stand up for what’s right, even when it’s costly, says a lot about Girardi.

        • Scotti

          All Girardi said to Loria was “You’re not helping us.” The claims that he swore, etc. were put out by the Marlins to justify the firing. The problem is that Girardi is so squeaky clean that he doesn’t cuss and his camp vehemently refuted this.

  • Luke D

    Those last couple paragraphs give me the willies

  • Jim

    There’s just got to be more that we all can’t see. Was he a poor facilitator for the younger players? Did he lose the clubhouse?

    • willis

      I think too many core players had not so great years, I think they bugged about how he handled lineups and some players, I think they saw in game decisions that were terrible, and I think they saw the cubs the last month barely showing up to play baseball games. Something popped about a month or so ago that made this decision a lot easier than it would have been. What that was specifically, I have no idea. But their tunes changed regarding the management and direction of the big league team.

      • Hansman1982

        I think a portion of it may have been Rizzo’s comments about what a #2 hitter does. That may have been the straw that broke the camel’s back that Dale wasn’t all-in as they want on the advanced metrics.

      • mjhurdle

        i agree that something seemed to change in the last couple of weeks.
        I think this had more to do with the relationship between the Front Office and Sveum than Sveum and the players.
        After a whole season of baseball, i don’t think that a few weeks in Sept. are what made the Front Office decide that Sveum was bad with young players or not the right guy going forward. Seems like there was something more going on.

        • auggie55

          Maybe Sveum got spoiled in his short managerial stint in Milwaukee with Fielder, Braun and Sabathia.

      • Professor Snarks

        I’m not sure there was anything in the last month or so that changed things. Doesn’t seem to be this Front Office’s MO (yes I was going to type ‘FO’s MO). They always say, when talking about the evaluation process, “how many boxes do they check”, I think for a while now, Dale was not checking enough boxes.

  • Trueblue

    Nice job by Theo. This was a great statement and very professional. A change was needed and it was said/explained in a very positive manner.

  • AA Correspondent

    I like the plan. Now execute.

  • Toby

    The FO, most likely, has an idea who they want for the last few months. I doubt they would go down the road that involves any compensation again.

  • zach

    I hope we keep the bunt tournament

    • Jon

      You’ll see the ‘bunt tournament’ 162 times next year if Girardi is hired.

  • BlameHendry

    man, this brightened my day considerably =) I gave the guy an honest chance to impress me but he made way too many head-scratching decisions. He handled the losing well, but that’s about it. Now lets go get the best guy out there

  • Wilbur

    “… – we must have the best possible environment for young players to learn, develop and thrive at the major league level. We must have clear and cohesive communication with our players about the most important parts of the game. And – even while the organization takes a patient, long view – we must somehow establish and maintain a galvanized, winning culture around the major league club …”

    Per Theo, seems like Dale’s shortcomings fall in these areas …

    • ClevelandCubsFan

      I agree. It seems like Dale’s cool was great for dealing with a frustrating stretch, but maybe they felt they want these kids to have a fire to win, maybe even get a little emotional about losing.

      • D.G.Lang

        Belly Fire? TWTW?

  • Kyle

    The longer the team stays bad, the more grating Epstein’s brilliant command of the English language becomes to me. I’ll marvel at it again when we’re good.

    • Hee Seop Chode

      I thought at least a portion of that prose was defensive. As in, in case you’re not paying attention our plan is working and we’ll get more talented soon.

      No matter what was said, or how it was released, this is a bad day for the franchise, FO, and not least of which Dale.

  • JM

    I was just so WRONG on this one. My mistake in thinking Theo has/had too big an ego to fire Sveum now.

  • miggy80

    What a press release. If you don’t like the FO or not happy with their decisions. You can’t really argue with their professionalism.

    • Jon

      They INDEED can polish a turd.

      • miggy80

        And they even claim it. Instead of the standard “who smelt it dealt it”

    • jh03

      Was pretty much thinking the same.

  • @cubsfantroy

    I haz a sad…

    I, unlike most, liked Dale. I’d met him a few times when I was younger and he played for the Brewers. I was ecstatic when the Cubs hired him. I hope he gets a shot somewhere else.

    • Cyranojoe

      Hey, I liked him. I didn’t get the freaking rage that was aimed in his direction about this season. Don’t get it at all. He’s not perfect — probably an average manager, right now — but there’s just such bigger fish to fry and bitch about.

  • Jon

    It’s interesting to here that Theo believes 100% of all our prospects are going to meet expectations at the MLB level. That’s quite bullish of him.

    • cubsin

      I don’t believe that Theo’s that naive. He just wants to give them all the best chance to succeed and get the success rate as high as possible.

    • bbmoney

      where did you get that from? You must have a real talent for reading between the lines that I haven’t been blessed with.

      • jon

        “Soon, our organization will transition from a phase in which we have been primarily acquiring young talent to a phase in which we will promote many of our best prospects and actually field a very young, very talented club at the major league level.”

        Not all of these prospects are going to blossom into what “we” hope them to be. I think if we are lucky two position players will be all star(caliber) type players, some become decent starters. Some are to be used as currency in trades as well.

        • YourResidentJag

          Yep I wonder how many prospects he means with the use of the word “many”. I’m thinking that multiple pieces will be needed to turn these pieces into what Theo and Jed believe would be one impact player, like David Price, for instance.

        • Napercal

          Theo has put his and Jed’s heads on the chopping block now. If the Cubs fail over the next 2 or 3 years it will be for one of two reasons: 1. Theo and Jed failed to draft and develop players who could succeed at the major league level; or 2. Theo and Jed hired a manager who could not develop talented young players into professionals. To his credit, Theo is essentially making that point. While time will tell if Theo is successful in these two areas, he is placing the burden on his shoulders.

          • Nick

            “Theo has put his and Jed’s heads on the chopping block now. If the Cubs fail over the next 2 or 3 years…”

            The next 2 or 3 years will be year 4 & 5. If the Cubs haven’t shown drastic improvement by then, the Front Office will surely be gone, so this move did nothing to change that.

          • Kyle

            If the Cubs fail over the next 2 or 3 years, we’ll just all agree to call it part of The Plan. Same as the last two.

            • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

              If the Cubs don’t have an on-paper .500 team by the start of 2015, I think we can all agree that a huge chunk of The Plan failed.

              • Kyle

                I don’t know if it annoys me more that .500 by year 4 is the standard, or that I’m not sure if they’ll get there.

                • YourResidentJag


                • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

                  I didn’t say it was the standard. I said it was the point at which I’d say a huge chunk was a failure. I’d hoped for .500 by 2014.

                  • YourResidentJag

                    Standard or not, it certainly is some measurement of judgement that you’re evaluating this regime by the start of 2015.

                  • Kyle

                    OK. I’m annoyed that it’s “a” standard. That’s it’s even in question at all.

                  • Scotti

                    “I’d hoped for .500 by 2014.”

                    You could conceivably GET an on the field .500 by next year IF the right manager is hired, they add a couple of long term assets for the MLB team, have the core guys currently on the roster progress and have success bringing up their youngsters.

                  • Kyle

                    I’m not ruling out .500 in 2014, but it’s going to take either an amazing job/luck with development of in-place talent, or an off-season aggressiveness that I’ve seen no sign that they have in them.

                    • YourResidentJag

                      Given that they have yet to identify any semblance of core group of players yet. I don’t foresee them being all that aggressive.

                    • Scotti

                      Turnarounds can happen on a dime. They have for the Cubs in 1984, 1989, 2003 and 2007. All but ’89 were under new managers (’89 was Zimmer’s 2nd year) and only 2007 had any *significant* off-season expenditures . And we’re not talking about winning the division (as we did each of those years)–we’re talking getting to .500.

                      A new guy gets the old players to buy into his program and believe in itself, creates a winning atmosphere (winning is expected), creates an atmosphere where young players are taught how to play the game right and a good off-season player move or two is made. At some point the fans buy into it and the joint gets jumpin’.

                      .500 should be the least that Cub fans should expect/demand.

              • ClevelandCubsFan

                Except that we have one tough schedule next year, if we got one big free agent signing (which I think we can expect because it comes without a draft pick loss) and get Tanaka (big if there), doesn’t that arguably give us a .500 team on paper? Assuming Theo does his annual free agent flee market shopping on top of it, I don’t see why 2014 can’t be expected to be .500 on paper.

                Frankly, I felt we were a mid-70s win team on paper coming into this season, and we arguably were in that range for a couple months. But the sell-off was expected.

                • Kyle

                  It’s going to be very hard to get a real read of how good the team is “on paper” going into next year.

                  Tanaka + one other major free agent (and I find it extremely unlikely that we’ll have the money to do that) *might* get us to .500, *if* the bullpen develops as hoped and Castro doesn’t post another replacement-level season.

                • Kyle

                  I had us at 78-79 wins going into the season, and we’d have gotten there if there was no selloff and Starlin Castro didn’t mysteriously forget how to hit.

                  But he did mysteriously forget how to hit, and now we’re out of the easy part of the improvement curve. If they want to improve for next year, they’ll have to go out and find some actually good players and not just some impressively mediocre cheap ones.

                  • MightyBear

                    And they figured out the 7th, 8th and 9th bullpen sooner.

                • Scotti

                  “I don’t see why 2014 can’t be expected to be .500 on paper…”

                  Need to hire the right manager. One who can lead the players.

            • Professor Snarks

              I’d give them to 2016 to field that on-paper .500 team, if, and this is a BIG if, Baez, Bryant and one other prospect are progressing into star quality players.
              I just think 2015 is too soon to expect these prospects to help carry a team, but they better be getting MLB experience by then.

              (and it surely will help if our #4 pick in the 2014 draft is a near-ready TOR starting pitcher.)

              • caryatid62

                If they were shooting for .500 by 2016, that would make this entire manifestation of the organization a disaster.

                • 1060Ivy

                  No one is shooting for 500 by 2016 but it definitely looks that way.

                  We can make major assumptions to get the Cubs to 500 earlier – e.g. prospects will arrive MLB ready and develop faster than scheduled; free agents will available to fill in holes and fit into budget plans, etc. – but 2016 looks like the date which Cubs may be legitimately competitive.

                  Sad as most fans expected the Cubs to be 500 for 2014 and competitive for 2015.

                  • caryatid62

                    That is just about as big of a disaster as one could have thought of back in 2011.

                    If one were to look back on the posts from when Epstein started and/or when Ricketts purchased the team, I’d imagine that the situation they’re in right now (firing a manager, few prospects >1 year away, significant payroll/income issues) is just about the worst case scenario (within reason) anyone could have envisioned.

                • Professor Snarks

                  I’m not saying I’m happy about the 2016 thing, but it seems to be realistic. remember, Theo has never given a ‘good by’ date. As a matter of fact, he has gone out of his way NOT to.
                  Any fan who thought a prospect heavy rebuild, with our best prospects being under 21, would result in a winning team before 2015 was being extremely optimistic/unrealistic. If you want to really get depressed, think about this: Almora, Baez, Bryant, and Soler will reach their primes, at the earliest, at age 25. That means they will start their prime years in 2018/2019. Ouch.
                  If you think all 4 of those succeeding is unrealistic, think about the chances of them all coming in and having a Puig-like impact immediately. Could happen, but as Kyle says, insanely unlikely.
                  The only way to bring that time table up is to trade, one for one, those prospects for players already in their primes.

          • DocPeterWimsey

            “Theo and Jed hired a manager who could not develop talented young players into professionals.”

            Well, given the paucity of evidence that such beasts exist, that will almost certainly be the case.

            One thing that Cubs fans have to learn is that very few of the Cubs’ many failed prospects would have succeeded with a different manager. (Kevin Orie might be an exception: he simply got buried even though he was close to the “Moneyball” paradigm.) Cubs prospects failed because they lacked at least one key tool that was exposed at the MLB level. Conversely, successful teams have not gone about creating Jacoby Elsbury’s out of Corey Pattersons: they recognized that guys like Elsbury have tools that guys like Patterson lack, and drafted/signed accordingly.

            Blaming MLB management on the failure of the farm system to produce is a lot like blaming college professors for illiteracy. The problem starts way before then.

        • cking6178

          That doesn’t read “100% of our prospects will succeed”…that reads we have a talented farm system and we will soon be adding that talent to our MLB club….

          • Scotti


        • bbmoney

          Really? That’s your quote you’re using to suggest Theo thinks 100% of our prospects will meet expectations at the MLB level?

          You have a talent my friend, a real talent.

          • AlwaysNextYear

            Jon your not so good at picking up what somebody is saying, you just need to stop before you hurt yourself

          • Jon

            Read his quote directly

            “Soon, our organization will transition from a phase in which we have been primarily acquiring young talent to a phase in which we will promote many of our best prospects and actually field a very young, very talented club at the major league level.”

            From that you can deduce he expects an very, very high % of homegrown prospects to produce at the big league level.

            Those are his quotes. I’m not going to play this fucking game here. That is what he said.

            • Kyle

              You can’t deduce that. “Many” is a very vague phrase that could mean a lot of different percentages.

            • Cubbie Blues

              They *are* all very talented. They will also be promoted soon. That doesn’t mean that there isn’t a flaw that would cause them to eventually fail. He never said produce or succeed.

            • ClevelandCubsFan

              Would it be unthinkable that some day in late July we see a line up like this —

              1B – Rizzo
              2B – Barney
              SS – Castro
              3B – Olt
              LF – Vitters
              RF – Bryant
              C – Castillo

              That’s a lot of talent, and extremely young. Maybe some of those guys are on the bench. Maybe some are traded. Maybe not all of those guys fully make it at the MLB level. But it’s an interesting thought.

              • ClevelandCubsFan

                With Lake coming in off the bench, not starting in CF 😉

              • Kyle

                Unthinkable? No

                But just barely not. Insanely unlikely.

              • Professor Snarks

                Your infield. Maybe.It may actually be the opening day infield. (adding Baez at 2nd by June 1st).

                Your outfield. Who the f@^% knows. Highly unlikely.

                I see you weren’t brave enough to guess the pitching staff.

  • Die hard

    Translated– Sveum couldn’t take my BS anymore so I kicked his butt outta here and now I NEED to find someone who won’t question my dumb ass signings and weekly meetings and calls after each and during each game

    • Wilbur

      That actually would be grounds for firing a manager, doubt it was the case, but I would have no qualms about firing someone who acted as you hypothesize …

      • EvenBetterNewsV2.0

        Only in Die hard’s mind is there truth.

  • Boots

    Did we retain any of the coaches, or will this be up to the new manager?

    I thought Bosio was doing a great job with some of the retreads we have brought in. Would like to see him stay on.

    • Professor Snarks

      I see no way they keep the hitting coaches. The Cubs had the 27th best batting average in baseball.They did, however, come closer to league avg on walks. (which doesn’t matter if you don’t hit).

      • YourResidentJag

        Unfortunately, I don’t think Bosio will remain. :(

        • YourResidentJag

          And per all tweets, he may not. Looks like the new manager will decide, which is certainly to be expected. I still don’t want McKay or him to go.

      • auggie55

        I’m still trying to figure out where in the hell Rowson came from. I mean was he a friend of Sveum’s or was he a friend of Theo. We all know that Deer was a friend of Sveum.

        • CubChymyst

          Wasn’t he a minor league hitting coach at Iowa before coming up to the cubs.

  • http://It'searly Mike F

    Well. we’ll see. I agree with Theo and Jed they share as much of the responsibility. Don’t see JG in the cards. Further, I continue to believe it is insane to put so many eggs in a flawed guy like Castro who has never shown discipline. Maybe a team could live with his inadequacies if he had power or something elite. But making in the face of the organization is all on Theo. In the end, maybe Sveum lost the team, but this is truly all on Theo. And if he hires a guy with no coaching experience like Ausmus, Theo who I continue to support will need more than a command of English to save his arse.

    • Grant

      Yeah, it’s not like Castro led the NL in hits in his first full season or anything. Oh wait, he did.

      • Kyle

        That doesn’t preclude him from being flawed or lacking discipline.

        • Scotti

          The OP said that Castro hadn’t shown anything elite. At one point in early 2012 Castro had a career .307 BA. That’s elite (would rank 12th).

          • Pat

            It’s currently .283 career. That’s not elite.

          • http://It'searly Mike F

            Yeah and he hit ,245 this year, has trended down since hitting 307, doesn’t take walks, and has never developed the power people projected. Castro has not moved forward and that is not Dale Sveum’s fault. Theo if he is holding Sveum to account for Castro is delusional. Castro is to blame, he is completely undisciplined. Putting him in the 1 hole was idiotic. Sveum should have told him no then and dared him to fire him.

            • DocPeterWimsey

              Castro is not to blame for not having a pitch recognition: that is a basic tool. If batters had any ideas about how to acquire or even just greatly improve upon pitch recognition, then they would. However, the vast majority of batters go through most of their career with the same pitch recognition as they had when they started, at least as measured by things like BB%: and that suggests that batters have no repeatable methods for improving pitch recognition.

              That written, Castro’s contact skills are good enough that he can be a useful SS. The Cubs just cannot look to him to be a top-of-the-order guy: he never will consistently generate the OBP that good offenses need there.

              • True(ly) Blue

                Good to hear from you, Doc. I’ve always enjoyed your discussions of “pitch recognition” versus “contact skills”.

  • Brains

    A nice statement, well written. And yes they are scapegoating Sveum for issues completely unrelated to his managing. That said, the man got paid and probably has a bright future on another ballclub.

  • Bea Arthur

    Dale is a good guy. Probably best I never bought the domain name: “Sveum as in Maim.” We coulda sold a few shirts and taught people to get his name wrong.

    I tried never to blame him, but like any organization, lots of mistakes were made. Not Dusty Baker type errors. Like Watkins on the bench, the idea that Valbuena was Spanish for MVP, terrible over use of relievers, and more.

    I think that having Sveum, James Rowson, and Rob Deer (seriously?) was probably a lot. That’s bascially 2.5 – 3 hitting coaches and we saw that nothing any of them did worked.

    I’d also like fewer former Breweres.

    Bosio did some nice work, but be worth keeping.? maybe.
    And Dave McKay is the best guy around.

    The staff never seemed as professional and polished as it could be. Like Lovie Smith-Trestman thing. Lovie had a lot of college guy/lack of experience. Trestman has guys with a ton of experience. And like the Cubs, fans have no idea what will work.

    The FO has a lot to do for the field even with limited resources. Barney should be traded assuming you can get something. Castro should be left alone or moved to second. Rizzo should learn about hitting LH pitching, but they will be fine.

    I want real pros like McKay all over this team. Even if a rookie manager is hired (another example: Jason Kidd has a huge staff with pros).

    As to the new manager, Gardenhire isn’t available. I can’t imagine who is. It would have been a good time to bring in Francona but, that’s just a personal love for the man going back to my days as a Phillies season ticket holder.
    I’m not even mentioning Joe Girardi because all of you will. I say that with a smile.

    Whoever it is (Mike Maddux?)…I think they will get it right Dale never seemed to fully connect with the guys (not Kevin Gregg) in terms of communication.

    I wish him well. He is a decent man and has a great story. I can’t wait to see the new guy and I still trust the braintrust.

    This is will be a great offseason to watch.

    Imagine Tanaka and new manager.

    Oh dreams.

    Keep Crane away from any hiring process.

    And I also hope Jason McCloud doesn’t leave. He is remarkable.

    • cking6178

      I like Mike Maddux as well…he has the benefit of bringing his brother along for the ride…should be interesting…

  • Stevie B

    With Dale, we were stale…

    With Girardi, we’ll party!!!!

    That’s all I got….

  • Corey

    Has anyone heard if Sveum has said anything yet?

  • Big Daddy

    This is why I am glad they didn’t hire Ryno. He would have been in this same boat. The team sux by design right now. Girardi or whoever will be dealt a better hand than Dale was.

    • ClevelandCubsFan

      Yeah I concur. But I wish he were available NOW. He’s ripe and ready, but oh well. Timing is everything.

  • http://bleachernation.com ramy 16

    Ex Cub and and Bench coach Dave Martinez..good Canidate

    • Big Daddy

      I like him too.

  • cub2014

    “and helped put us in a position to make
    some very important trades”

    i hope that means this off-season, it could
    have been in reference to the 2013 trade
    deadline. i hope its the former.

  • dustin

    This decision makes no sense to me ya Castro did fall back this year. And dale did the best he could with what he was given again a bad team! He may have used the pen to much and there were a lot of mental mistakes this year but there all young and learning especially Rizzo and Castro now we eat his final year that we could get another bat? A pitcher that could help us win a little more! Now we need another manager?? I dont like it! From what I read and the best out there is Joe and from what he said I dont think he’s leaving what are jed and Theo thinking? Aren’t we suppose 2 b getting better? Instead of taking steps back??

    • YourResidentJag

      Well, I agree. But we’ll have to see. If they go and hire Ausmus (and I like the thought of giving Ausmus a chance as a big league manager, regardless of whether or not it’s the Cubs), the move seems bizarre not to let Svuem continue the remainder of his contract.

      • Professor Snarks

        Guys, if you read into Theo’s comments, and come out with the idea Theo didn’t trust Dale to develop young players, this does make sense. Perfect sense. Why would you risk the develop of a Baez, Soler, Bryant for whatever Dale was getting paid?

        Dustin, I doubt the amount we are paying Dale will 1). be enough for any hitter better than Ian Stewart, or 2). impact signing higher price FA’s in any way.

  • http://bleachernation.com ramy 16

    Twins resign Gardenhire..so who does Theo have in mind? ? Ill we’ll play the waiting game until November


    I see clear finger pointing at Dale: “We must have the best possible environment for young players to learn … We must have clear and cohesive communication with our players … we must somehow establish and maintain a galvanized, winning culture around the major league club. … I believe a dynamic new voice – and the energy, creativity and freshness that comes with this type of change – provides us with the best opportunity to achieve the major league environment we seek.”

    Seems clear Dale was fired because he lacked energy, creativity, communication skills and fostered a losing environment. And from the sullen, understated guy I saw from his introductory press conference on, not hard to believe. I say good riddance.

    That said, how much blame does Theo get for potentially wasting two years with a manager who couldn’t last? I say not much. The last two years of baseball was going to be terrible no matter what. No one who didn’t need that job would have taken it. Now there’s a reason to want the Cubs job. Two years ago … not so much.

    Anyway, bye Dale. Best of luck as the bench coach in Toronto.

  • Cubbie Tim

    Soler for Maddon

    • Professor Snarks

      Net yet, Tim. We still are not in a position to get rid of possible impact talent, without getting impact talent in return.

  • TinLV

    I tried to like Dale when they hired him, but it never really worked. I didn’t like the way he handled the young players and certainly wouldn’t want him handling all these upcoming prospects. I didn’t like the way he handled the veterans much either. He made some awful in-game decisions. He also suffers from a general lack of personality and he needs to either commit to growing a beard or stay clean-shaven; he looks like a bum too much of the time. All-in-all, I’m happy with the decision to let him go. He wasn’t as bad as Quade, but surely we can do better. If Girardi re-signs with the Yankees ( and I’m afraid he will), lets hope they can find someone with a similar temperament and a commitment to winning.