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joe girardi managerTo append that title, were the strictures and conventions of title-writing to allow it, I would probably explain that the “resolution” of which I speak has only to do with whether Joe Girardi will be re-signing with the New York Yankees, or whether he’ll be permitted to speak to other teams.

To explain: ESPN New York’s Andrew Marchand writes that GM Brian Cashman was today expected to lay out the “parameters” of what it would take to get Girardi back with the Yankees (counteroffer? more than that?) to ownership. Meanwhile, Girardi is meeting with his agent about the negotiations/discussions he and Cashman had yesterday. Marchand expects a decision – with respect to the Yankees – to come as soon as this weekend.

I have a strong suspicion that things have played out thusly: with Girardi under contract through the end of this month, the Cubs – by way of back-channels – let Girardi’s camp know that they are interested in discussing their managerial vacancy with Girardi (some reports go as far as to say that the Cubs are preparing a huge financial offer, which, if true, they would also communicate). Meanwhile, the Yankees communicated to Girardi that they want him back, and that they aren’t interested in letting him speak to the Cubs while they are in negotiations (why let Girardi leverage a Cubs offer into more money from the Yankees if that’s where he wanted to be all along?). Some reports suggest that, at that point, Girardi requested permission to speak with the Cubs before deciding on the Yankees offer.

So, where does that leave things? Well, if Cashman is talking to ownership today, there are two possibilities. Possibility One: Cashman wants more cash, man. That is to say, whether by suggestion from Girardi or otherwise, Cashman wants the authority to make an over-the-top financial offer to retain Girardi. That would presumably require ownership’s involvement. Possibility Two: Girardi’s camp has been adamant that they want to have a chance to speak to the Cubs, and Cashman wants to discuss the implications thereof with ownership before allowing those conversations to happen.

Either possibility is plausible, as is some kind of hybrid third possibility. In any case, it sounds like we’ll know something by this weekend: either Girardi will have re-upped with the Yankees, or we’ll know that the Cubs are going to get their shot to make him an offer more formally.

In the meantime, the Cubs continue to line up other options so that they won’t be caught flat-footed should Girardi do what many in the industry expect he’ll do, and return to the Yankees.

  • John (ibcnu2222)

    This is like Theo all over again.

    • Vulcan

      I just hope somebody spots Girardi at a Chicago Starbucks in the coming days…

      • Four and Twenty

        QUICK, CHICAGO, DON YOUR PURPLE FANTA SHIRTS!

  • Die hard

    Drop the Joe and take the Kessanoli

    • JM

      Everyone loves a good reference to the “Godfather”.

      • DarthHater

        True. Now if somebody would please post one…

        • cubmig

          ,,,,”I’m gonna’ make him an offer he can’t refu$e”…..

          Does that work?

    • JM

      Now who or what is Kessanoli?

    • DarthHater

      [img]http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3747/9179773544_c6c9157f29_n.jpg[/img]

  • http://Bleachernation Lou Brock

    Cubs minimum offer to Girardi should begin at 5 years and $ 25 million which thru his agent I’m sure the Cubs have communicated.

  • MightyBear

    I think this is Annibel Sanchez again. The Cubs will get to make an offer with the only result is jacking up the price for Girardi who wants to stay with the Yankees and the Yankees want him back (Which I have no problem with the Cubs running up the bid on the Evil Empire.)

  • http://deepcenterfield.blogspot.com Jason Powers

    BELTran! So, I wonder if the Cubs can work on signing him. He obviously could stay in St. Louis, but it would be a nice 2-3 year sign for a guy THAT absolutely tears it up in Wrigley: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=beltrca01&year=Career&t=b#site

  • Bryan

    Brett, there’s an obvious downside, as you mentioned, in the Yankees allowing Girardi to have discussions with the Cubs: namely, giving the Cubs the opportunity to make an offer they otherwise may not have been able to make and you said, why let Joe leverage their offer against a Yankee offer.

    Do you think there is any downside from the Yankees perspective in refusing to let Girardi talk with the Cubs? If Joe is genuinely interested in at least hearing what the Cubs have to offer, and he doesn’t want this to drag on through October, are the Yankees potentially forfeiting some goodwill towards future negotiations? Could this upset Girardi enough that it impacts further negotiations w/ the Yanks?

  • Gutshot5820

    “some reports go as far as to say that the Cubs are preparing a huge financial offer”

    Pure speculation on your part Brett. Can you provide and links or proof to this?

    • turn two

      Don’t understand this post. He is clearly referring to buster olney who cited a source internally with the cubs saying its a big money offer being floated. Its being reported…everywhere.

    • TWC

      Read Wittermyer’s piece, which Ace linked to earlier today, and you’ll read the following phrase: “Multiple sources say the Cubs are poised to make the Yankees’ skipper an offer that could make him one of the two highest-paid managers in the game…”

      And try to be less of a dick.

      • MichiganGoat

        But if you take the dick out of gunshot… you have a dickless gunshot and that might be worse.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      Try the link next to counteroffer. Among many, many other places. It’s been written about here today and yesterday.

      • http://deepcenterfield.blogspot.com Jason Powers

        I shouldn’t speak for you on this…

    • http://deepcenterfield.blogspot.com Jason Powers

      Not to be snarky, but you have the internet. So you can confirm what you want – the links show the interest. And reports have only said, “huge financial offer”. Gordon Wittenmeyer.

      Not defending Brett, but what do you want, a legal dissertation on the interest the Cubs of Girardi? And how much to the penny they will pay him?

    • Hee Seop Chode

      http://www.suntimes.com/sports/22933268-419/cubs-poised-to-make-joe-girardi-an-offer.html

      i believe Brett posted a link to this article earlier today.

    • gutshot5820

      Well that’s pretty hilarious! Don’t all you girls get your panties in a bunch because I questioned your blog head cult leader. It’s going to be funny when Girardi re-signs with the Yankees. It’s nice that there is SPECULATION that the Cubs are preparing a big offer to Girardi when one, they don’t have permission to talk to him and two, there is a strong possibility that he re-signs with the Yankees before there is even a chance to talk to him. I guess that would be the height of the new Cubs corporate stupidity. In a bizzaro Cubs world where the corporate suits are getting paid more than the players in an attempt to appease fans keeping payroll low while lining the Ricketts pockets.

      How about interviewing all the possible candidates that are available to talk to FIRST and then preparing offers to AVAILABLE candidates. Talk about putting the cart before the horse or getting all dressed up with nowhere to go.

      • TWC

        Boy, even your apologies make you sound like a dick.

        • MichiganGoat

          Well at least he is consistently dickish

      • Arrieta’sUncle

        You just need to add hash tags repeatedly and the transformation will be complete

      • turn two

        This is funny. A.) People get mad when you call out others for a mistake that you made. B.) You lose a lot of credibility when it comes to your baseball arguments when you clearly don’t follow baseball real closely to have never heard those reports. C.) Every front office in baseball would float a number if they want a candidate to give them a shot before signing with a different team. If you believe that the cubs are just going to silently sit by because they can’t engage in official dialogue with an agent then your being naive.

        • gutshot5820

          Actually, I do tend to read the news late into the night. I just skim or dimiss a lot the news I feel have little credibility. Besides most of Brett’s “copy and paste” news items and mini reports are yesterday’s news he googled into his morning reports. (And before you all get riled up again I am not accusing Brett of any wrongdoing and he does a fantastic job for what he does.)

          It is you all that are fanatical fan base. I mean in the history of sports, the Cub fans are probably the ONLY fans in history that complained about spending TOO much money. LMAO I mean the minute anyone complains about our declining payroll he gets pounded by the lynch mob. Even the leader of this blog keeps incessantly repeating “BUY ALL THE PLAYERS” as if having enough payroll and money to buy all the good free agents has somehow in this preverse upside down Cubs world has somehow become a bad thing. I mean I guess if you keep repeating …”BUY ALL THE PLAYERS” as if spending has now become a bad thing all the dumb Cubbie sheep fans will believe it.

          When did 200M payroll plus a good farm suddenly become a bad thing? When did 100M become greater than 150M? I guess if you keep pointing fingers at clubs that made bad decisions you can eventually convince the meek that spending money is bad and the only option is to act like a small market team.

          This bizzaro Cubs world is a perfect model of the current business/political model of the United States economic system. You have a bunch of rich white billionaires and their million dollar rich white executives that continually cut payroll in the name of profits and have somehow convinced the hordes of mass public that support their businesses that this was in their best interests. Then you have the fanatical news outlets for the rich and wealthy with their legions of blind collowers that will crucify anyone that dares to question the legitimacy of their billionaire leaders.

          • MichiganGoat

            I just keep seeing this with every comment
            [img]http://kletterman.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/angry-old-man.jpg[/img]

            • TWC

              More like this:

              [img]http://www.davart.net/awg/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/crying-kids04.jpg[/img]

              • DocPeterWimsey

                Why am I singing “Circle of Life” all of a sudden?

            • DarthHater

              I just keep seeing this with every comment:

              [img]http://media.urbandictionary.com/image/large/asshat-22713.jpg[/img]

      • Jason P

        “some reports go as far as to say that the Cubs are preparing a huge financial offer, which, if true, they would also communicate” — that’s not even speculation, that’s a fact. Not that the Cubs are necessarily going to make a huge offer to Girardi, but that some reports indicated they will. If you bothered to click on any of the dozen or so links that have been posted the past couple days, you would see that. Evidently, however, you haven’t and therefore criticize someone who has done their due diligence as an easy way out.

      • http://It'searly Mike F

        This is a new low in contradiction. So Ricketts is cheap and is lining his pockets? Oh yeah that’s why he is wanting to pay a lot of money to JG to make him one of the highest paid mangers in baseball.

        I’m not a kool aid drinker, but it’s a lot better than piss haters drink. And your comments about Brett and the site are offensive and off base.

      • Jason Powers

        Hes not my cult leader. Maybe sargeant at arms…first you complain about the reports then decry the process. How many millionaire c suite execs you hired? Do you think its all easy peasy lemon squeezy? Whomever they hire, even a dumb blonde, who thinks panties are leg warmers will have more balls than you. Ad hominem dont care fucktard.

        • Gutshot5820

          I feel like I’m watching the FOX News Channel

          • http://It'searly Mike F

            Then you really need to quit watching. You are a bright guy, but your miss using it. The hate is getting old. Find something to like

            • http://It'searly Mike F

              I left the period off for a reason.

          • DarthHater

            Thanks for confirming that loathsome, bloviating douchenozzles span the entire political spectrum, but it really wwasn’t necessary.

          • http://deepcenterfield.blogspot.com Jason Powers

            Well, then it should be a step up…from a Guangzhou prison.

          • CubsFaninMS

            Or MSDNC?

  • http://deepcenterfield.blogspot.com Jason Powers

    As far as Girardi: NY rarely loses on cash. They will play the “Big D” card, that of “we can outspend.” (Heck, with A-Rod’s suspension, that cash will be applied somewhere. That alone might be enough – 30M+ for the 211 game suspension – to secure Mr. Girardi.)

    That’s a reason I don’t get Girardi going back – A-Rod (circus, if he wins his appeal) and Jeter (is he gonna retire?)

    But, will see by the weekend.

  • walterj

    You know , Rothschild was under contract with the Cubs and Hendry let him go without blinking . Perhaps the Yanks should return the offer .

  • http://It'searly Mike F

    Well anyway you cut it, it isn’t great news for the Yankees. Obviously JG is holding firm about a lot of things and I would add a 3rd very real possibility. JG’s demands are high and extend beyond money and Cashman is covering the ownership card before saying no. This is a very real possibility and likely would result in JG unilaterally leaving and announcing so. I believe JG made them a take it or leave it firm offer and explains the trip to ownership. However it ends, Cashman is covering his ass.

  • cubsklm

    Is the state of Illinois big enough for 2 coaches named JG?

    We already have John Groce, now Joe Girardi, this is getting confusing.
    Maybe we can get John Groce to recruit Joe Girardi, he’s been on a roll lately.

  • Rich H

    Everyone seems to forget some of the comments and rumors coming out of the Yanks this year involving personel decisions and the Ariod stuff. Girardi was vocal about some of it publicly like when the Cubs picked up that kid on waivers.
    The reason I bring this up is to show that it might not be money that leads Joe out of the Bronx but a good deal of cash would certainly help him to decide what to do next.

  • Blackhawks1963

    I’ll say it again. If the Yankees want to retain Girardi – and all signs say yes they do – then the Yankees will retain Girardi. End of story. The Steinbrenner boys take after their old man…what they want is what they get. Joe won 3 WS as a player wearing the Pinstripes, another WS as manager and is deeply respected in the Bronx. Why on earth would he walk away from the most prolific and successful franchise in all of professional sports? Answer is he won’t.

    • EvenBetterNewsV2.0

      They take after their dad? Is that why they are doing anything they can to get under the luxury tax?

  • Die hard

    I feel that if Cubs contacted Kessinger he would agree to a one year fill on the blank contract like Awesome Dawson just for a chance to show what he can do to help his beloved Cubs pull out of this death spiral– Memo to Theo … Spend the dime and call him

    • Jason Powers

      Ill bite. Don has proven what to make you think even a drunk Theo would call. Don would say are you joking, Theo? Do you need to phone a friend? If Don had being coaching successfully sometime after Google’s launch then i might hire him as a asst bench coach or special asst if he’s hurting financially. But as is i think 99% want a modern mgr who has been around the bigs post internet, kessinger is likely happy with real estate and no spoiled athletes to baby sit. So option 2 from you…ill bite for a while…til my pizza arrives. Deep dish. Yum.

  • http://jjcubs jj

    Most people thinks its all about money. joe got money now and no matter who he signs with he will receive more money. joe can make money outside of baseball.The yankees are a older ball club, with retirements and a average minor league system. There are no more challenges to prove with four world series in his pocket. I think the cubs offer him a great opportunity to work with a young FO with a great knowledge of sabermetrics and a minor league system full of great expectations. Joe would love to bring the first world series series to chicago. new york fans are only fans if they win along with the whole east coast. god only knows what would happen if the cubs won a world series in chicago.

    • Jono

      Bingo

    • Blackhawks1963

      Disagree. One, the Yankees aren’t permitting Girardi to talk to other clubs until November 1st when his current contract officially expires. That gives the Steinbrenners a month to get a new deal done. Girardi is defined as a Yankee way more than he was ever defined a Cub. I think Girardi is a lock to return to the Bronx. And the Yankees are a lock to have a very aggressive offseason of wheeling and dealing to get back on the path of prominence. This is a franchise that has won 28 bloody World Series. Joe isn’t walking away from that just because he originally came up as a Cub and hails from Peoria for crying out loud. And his wife and children are said to be very comfortable living in NY.

      • ClevelandCubsFan

        We’ll see. I’m not convinced the Yanks can go and spend big bucks… Unless ARod doesn’t count against them. Not sure if that money still counts for cap or not. Even still they’d have to finda way to massively shave for 2015.

        • cubes

          to blackhack: if Girardi did request to speak to cubs before making his choice it would not benefit them to say no to that in terms of resigning Joe

          Arod SHOULD count against their payroll. if not watch for teams to start purposely poisoning any players with unwanted contracts.

          I also agree with JJ… if Girardi really is a big ego guy as many have said… there is no better way to become uber legendary than to bring a WS to the Cubs. no greater managerial feat atm…imo… not just in baseball in any sport.

  • http://It'searly Mike F

    Where’s Dick Tidrow when you need him.

  • Seth N.

    if there was a poll

    I bet 90% of us think he stays with the yankees. Might even be higher

    But don’t give us $%^$ for following the story and being a little bit interested….

  • cubzforlife

    I got Don Kessingers autograph on “Disco Demolition” night at the old Comiskey. First and last Sox game I attended.

    • Die hard

      If he could just turn Castro around would be worth it even if Cubs lose 100

  • Blackhawks1963

    I have no doubt that TheoJed are aggressively evaluating other candidates right now. Hinch, Pena, Alomar, Luvollo and maybe others. Surely they recognize that getting Girardi is a long shot. And who knows really if they truly are big fans of Joe.

  • Die hard

    You don’t get it— Cubs will lose 90-100 again next yr unless they think outside the batters box and consider someone with Kessingers credentials… just one year and defer a search for long term — I predict Kessinger would give it strong consideration

    • TWC

      “You don’t get it…”

      Pot, meet kettle.

    • MichiganGoat

      And those credentials are… oh yeah one poor season managing the White Sox. Great resume indeed.

      • DarthHater

        Pretty sure he’d be the first guy ever who was twice as old when he got his second managing job as he was when he got the first.

        • Die hard

          Means He knows twice as much how to help kids like Castro — Kessinger had his struggles yet ended up with 2000 hits and many gold gloves … Cubs would be pleased if Castro’s career equalled Kessingers

          • DarthHater

            Actually, he had slightly under 2000 hits and won 2 gold gloves. And if Castro ends up with a career OPS of .626, I and a lot of other people will be anything but pleased.

          • MichiganGoat

            So if a player had success he should automatically be considered a good managerial candidate? My god why didn’t anyone think about this before!

            • DarthHater

              I’d be pleased if Castro’s career equalled A-Rod’s, so let’s hire him to manage the Cubs!

              • MichiganGoat

                Hell forget about Girardi lets just trade for Jeter and bring back the player manager.

                • http://deepcenterfield.blogspot.com Jason Powers

                  To cover all Castro bases:

                  Jeter Player-Manager, 3rd base (so Castro has play by play positioning lessons)
                  Ernie Banks – personal hitting coach for Castro
                  Larry Bowa – personal fielding coach for Castro
                  Shawon Dunston – personal throwing coach for Castro
                  Ivan DeJesus – person stealing coach for Castro
                  Don Kessinger – personal real estate MGR for Castro

  • Die hard

    He’s had great college success which counts for alot compared to Sveum for example

  • another JP

    Per Andy McCullough of The Star Ledger (N.J.)… “The negotiations on a new contract for Yankees manager Joe Girardi stretched into a second day on Thursday, as general manager Brian Cashman presented the terms Girardi is seeking to the organization’s ownership group, according to a person briefed on the situation. The person requested anonymity to protect the sensitivity of the discussions.

    A GAP REMAINS BETWEEN THE TWO SIDES. Cashman is expected to reach out to Girardi’s agent, Steve Mandell, on Friday as the Yankees try to lock up their manager and move forward in what figures to be a busy offseason. The Yankees have said they would raise Girardi’s $3 million salary, but Girardi could still seek a fresh opportunity on the open market.”

    The portion in bold is the significant part of the article and makes it appear the Yanks aren’t close in signing Girardi.

  • Thomas

    I would like to see the cubs look at bob brenly

    • hansman1982

      There’s a reason why he hasn’t been a manager for a decade.

  • Die hard

    Yea the right oppty wasn’t there but now this could be perfect scenario

  • CubsFan

    A long time lurker of BN here. So now that Girardi is pretty much a no-go for the Cubs, who does Theo/Jed go after now? I know several names are being thrown out there, but let’s face it none of them are proven with a winning track record like JG. So, the next manager is probably going to be another 2yr hire then fire kind of manager, wouldn’t Theo/Jed be under much criticism by fans by doing that? By fans I mean, the general population who don’t follow Cubbie blogs so much as we all do.

  • Die hard

    Why is all this fuss about Girardi? Not that he’s had success with the best team money could buy but because he’s a former successful Cub– well Girardi ain’t coming and so what other former successful Cubs are out there who has managed before? Hello? Can’t hear you!

    • MichiganGoat

      Oh die hard you give us so much joy but I warn you Dick Tidrow is not pleased with your new love of Kessinger, you might walk to watch out for the stashe slap.

  • Schlarby

    Castro=Coach Killer

  • Blackhawks1963

    Bizarre logic. There are plenty of managers who became great managers having first stumbled badly. Joe Torre, Tony LaRussa, Terry Francona all apply. So too do many other great managers over history. Lou Pinella was a highly successful manager who came to re Cubs and proceeded to suck and sleep in the dugout.

  • Jono

    Even though I want the pirates to win it all, id love to see kershaw and puig in the series. Against the tigers. Dodgers vs pirates would be an AWESOME match up. Although, id enjoy seeing the rays get in. Ugh, I dunno. Playoff baseball f-n kicks ass

    • Jono

      I meant dodgers vs tigers would be an awesome match up

  • Die hard

    Yea just think where Cubs would be if Tidrow and not Theo et al was hired- enuf said

    • MichiganGoat

      Totally so we have Tidrow as GM, Kessinger as Manager, but we still need to round out the coaching staff. So who should we have for pitching & hitting coach?

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