Obsessive New Manager Watch: Yankees to Make Girardi (Final?) Offer Today (UPDATE: Offer Made)

joe girardi managerToday could be the decision day for Joe Girardi and the New York Yankees, who hope to bring back their soon-to-be free agent skipper. We know that the Yankees and Girardi have been in negotiations this week about a new deal, and we know that the Yankees are refusing to allow Girardi to speak to the Chicago Cubs until and unless negotiations with the Yankees break down.

It stands to reason, then, that Joel Sherman’s latest report is probably accurate. Sherman says that the Yankees are readying Girardi an offer that he will have today. That offer, which presumably comes after a round of negotiating, could be the dividing line between Girardi staying with the Yankees, or shutting down negotiations until he’s permitted to speak to other teams. In other words, although Sherman doesn’t say it explicitly, it sounds like today’s Yankee offer could be of the take it or leave it variety.

Sherman goes on to speculate that the offer could be in the three-year, $13 to $16 million range. Sherman says he’s been told that the Yankees will not approach the Joe Torre $7 million per year territory.

Based on reports this week, the Cubs hope to be able to make Girardi an offer north of that average annual value (possibly far north), and Sherman concedes that Girardi’s camp has probably received word of what teams like the Cubs are willing to offer Girardi.

So, if it’s more than what the Yankees are offering, what’s the hold-up? Well, as Girardi, himself, has discussed, he’s happy in New York.

Perhaps the Yankees are taking Girardi at his word that money will not be a factor in his decision, and instead are trading on the comfort of staying where he and his family have been happy. And maybe the Yankees aren’t interested in being bid up by other teams. Nothing wrong with that, and if Girardi elects a three-year, $13 million contract with the Yankees rather than a five-year, $25 million back-channeled offer from the Cubs (I’m just ballparking the rumors, not suggesting that such an offer has been or will be made (or is even advisable)), then we’ll know his heart was in New York.

Stay tuned, and all that.

UPDATE: As expected, the Yankees made their offer today. There are no details, but a source tells ESPN New York that a decision by Girardi could come this weekend. If Girardi accepts the Yankees’ offer, then that’s that. If he rejects it, we’ll have to see if the Yankees then relent and let Girardi speak to other teams before his contract expires at the end of this month.

Brett Taylor is the editor and lead writer at Bleacher Nation, and can also be found as Bleacher Nation on Twitter and on Facebook.

138 responses to “Obsessive New Manager Watch: Yankees to Make Girardi (Final?) Offer Today (UPDATE: Offer Made)”

  1. Grant
  2. Cubbies4Life

    That was priceless!

  3. Funn Dave

    I don’t really like ESPN, but I usually end up checking the headlines at least once a day, just because they’re there. Throughout the regular season, I believe I saw one total front-page headline about the Cubs. Since Sveum was fired, I have already seen two front-page headlines about the Cubs.

    Take that as you will.

  4. Jon

    Also some interesting news today, (and maybe it’s just bluffing) but Magic says they are not in on Cano


    So, if indeed the Dodgers aren’t in, that significantly changes the market IMO. With the Yankees cutting back on payroll, the Red Sox are set at 2nd base, the Angels might want to replace Kendrick, but surely they can’t dish out $$ on another megadeal, can they?

    1. When the Music's Over

      Mets, Dodgers (I don’t believe it), Tigers, Yankees (they ain’t cutting it back $100M), Phillies (send Utley to 3B), Cubs. There could be a number of teams in for his services at or around $20M/year.

      Just look at how much money the Yankees have coming off the books, and that doesn’t include Arod. If I had to bet on it, I’d say Cano isn’t going anywhere, and the odds of that are like 3-2.


  5. Brian cubs fan

    He will turn it down and come to the cubs he can get more years and more money and how great would his legacy be if he wins the world series with the cubs i think that will come into his thinking when deciding

    1. Crazyhorse

      Or He can sign a 3 to 5 year contract with the Reds or Washington and then give the Cubs a Chance when the rebuild shows profit in 3 to 5 years when that contract is over.

      From a business standpoint – I cant see Girardi signing with the Cubs . He is a proven manager with success on his resume – why take a chance on a rebuilding team . Girardi will get a contract . I think he will get the best contract he can and go with the team he feels that will either provide him with the best team to manage. I still think the Yankees will be his only destination with the Reds and Nationals throwing dollars . Trust – the only reason Girardi is giving the Cubs a chance because it is nostalgic . By the time the Cubs can talk with Girardi so will the Nationals and Reds.

      1. mjhurdle

        “Or He can sign a 3 to 5 year contract with the Reds or Washington and then give the Cubs a Chance when the rebuild shows profit in 3 to 5 years when that contract is over”

        except the only problem with that is….if the rebuild is successful, the manager that is with the team during it won’t be going anywhere. If they hire a Hinsch or Alomar or Ausmus type, and in 3-5 years we are going to our 2 consecutive Division Series, that manager will be so popular that they aren’t going to jettison him to try for the guy that turned you down last time.
        And if the rebuild is not successful, then the situation would be the same, and he wouldn’t come here.

        1. Scotti

          Right. And further, the back channel business has told the Cubs that he has real interest. If it turns out he was just playing the Cubs to get a better offer elsewhere, he will NOT come to the Cubs down the road–he wouldn’t be welcome (by the fans, FO or ownership).

          1. Voice of Reason

            And, girardi should care what the cubs front office, ownership and the fans think because???

    2. Jono

      it’s surprising how many cubs fans disagree with your last point. I agree 100% with it

      1. Kyle

        Outside of hardcore baseball fans and Boston fans, what percentage of sports fans do you think know who Boston’s 2004 manager was?

        1. Jono

          Besides boston fans? They’re the BOSTON Red Sox

          1. Kyle

            The argument is always that breaking the Cubs’ streak wins him some kind of historic legacy.

            He’ll have that legacy in Chicago, but outside of New York, everyone gets a legacy in that city when they win the World Series. Nationally, it adds no more to his legacy than winning in Washington or Cincinnati would.

            1. Jono

              “some kind of historic legacy.”

              Yeah, in chicago and among Cubs fans nationally. So what?

              1. When the Music's Over

                You’re not seeing the point. Girardi would have to care about his legacy just among the cubs fan base more than he would among another team’s fan base. There is really not multiplier factor outside of the home market. So, as I mentioned before, does the potential reward from the small amplifier effect of managing the Cubs to a world series vs. another team outweigh the current risk of taking on the Cubs job and leaving a very comfy situation in New York?

                1. Jono

                  I am getting the point. My point is that there doesn’t have to be legacy outside the cubs fanbase or the city itself. I get it, no one outside of chicago or the cubs fanbase would care. So what? He’d still be a legend forever in chicago and within the cubs fanbase

                  1. itzscott

                    Nationally, everyone knows the Cubs as perennial losers. Most people pull for the underdog. If the Cubs were to go on to win a WS, it would be one of the top 50 stories (at least) in everyone’s lifetime. The manager of that team would gain national recognition immediately and for many years thereafter while also becoming the answer to a trivia question for all time.

                    So I don’t believe for a second that Cub manager would only gain lasting notoriety locally in Chicago.

                2. JM

                  I think you may just be forgetting just how big the Cubs market really is. Nationally, it’s huge, and extends globally among baseball fans.

                  Whichever manager finally ends the drought will be remembered long after we’re gone.

                  1. Voice of Reason

                    Hey, JM, pass the bong over this way if you’re done with it!

                  2. Pat

                    Wait, so the manager who wins will be remembered long after the people who enjoyed the win are gone? Do you think they are going to dedicate a chapter in the history books to him or something?

                    When they win it will be a huge story for a few days, and then it will die down. It’s a sports championship. People tend to care a lot more about who is going to win the next one than who won the last one.

                    1. DocPeterWimsey

                      Here’s a variant joke from a few years ago that puts that idea into perspective. In January 2008, a Boston cop pulls aside a seemingly intoxicated young man running around screaming “THE SAWX WON THE SERIES!!! THE SAWX AHH THE CHAMPIONS!!!!!” The cops says: “I’m happy, too, kid, but it’s been 3 months. Why not call it quits for the night.” The guy blinks a couple of times, saying “3 months…. 3 months… not 3 years… but that means…. THE SAWX WON AGAIN! THE SAWX AHH CHAMPS AGAIN!!!!!”

                      As a Sox fan, I can tell you that this was not far from the truth!

                    2. Pat

                      That’s no more hyperbole than saying it will remain pertinent long after those who experienced it are gone.

                    3. Jason Powers


                    4. JM

                      I once read a baseball book. The subjects of the book were former players and managers. Some may call this it a history book, and at the very least it was a book about historical facts.

                      Among those discussed were Walter Alston, Connie Mack, and John McGraw. Not sure if you’ve ever heard of those guys or not, but none of them managed the Yankees. They did win multiple championships, but the point is that they are still remembered.

                      Not good enough. Pop quiz… Who did Bobby Cox manage for? One championship in all those years.

                      Think people in Baltimore know who the “greatest” Oriole manager is.

                      By the way, with only two championships, Tommy Lasorda and Tony La Russa are fairly famous.

                      Tom Kelly.
                      Lou Boudreaux.
                      Leo Durocher.
                      Dallas Green.
                      Daley Johnson.

                      Yes, as a matter of fact I do think whoever wins it for the Cubs will be written about in history books.

          2. When the Music's Over

            Kyle is trying to point out that the legacy of being the guy that manages the Cubs to a world series win will likely only stay within Chicago. Outside of the very, very short term, that feat is not something that carries any real national attention or notoriety.

            1. Jono

              “will likely only stay within Chicago. ”

              Obviously. But that doesn’t really matter, I’m not making the point that it would have to be a national legacy for non cubs fans

              1. When the Music's Over

                No, but you’re ignoring the point that he can create a very similar legacy from winning championships with other teams.

                1. Jono

                  I’m not ignoring that. I just think his legacy would be so much bigger and better by ending the cubs drought than winning anywhere else

                  1. When the Music's Over

                    So much bigger and better within Chicago. That is it. So what you’re saying is Chicago people will love him more than New York people if he was to win a world series with the Cubs vs. the Yankees?

                    1. Jono

                      yes, exactly. He’ll be a bigger legend in Chicago by winning a world series with the cubs than in NY by winning another world series with the yankees. And yes, the yankees have the biggest national fanbase, but the Cubs have the second biggest. So it’s pretty darn close as far as the national aspect goes.

                    2. When the Music's Over

                      Ok, let’s assume that is the case and we’ve now established the reward portion of the equation. Moving onto the risk portion, what are the odds of the Cubs winning a world series in the next 3 years, 5 years and 10 years vs. the Yankees odds over the course of those same time periods? Over the 3 and 5 year scenarios, which would roughly be the length of his contract, the Yankees have significantly higher odds of winning the world series.

                    3. Jono

                      you want to put a percent on the cubs winning the world series? That’s not very reasonable, at least not for me.

                      It’s a high risk, high reward decision. But the fact that Girardi already has a ring might be a key factor. But again, no doubt, high risk and high reward

                2. Jono

                  just bc I don’t agree with you doesn’t mean I don’t understand something or that I’m ignoring something. We simply disagree

                  1. AlwaysNextYear

                    Mike Ditka anybody.

            2. mjhurdle

              I don’t think anyone can say that with any certainty, because there has never been a nationally celebrated losing streak in any sports like the one the Cubs are in.
              In any city in America, you mention ‘Loveable Losers” and people automatically know you are talking about the Cubs.
              I personally think that the team/manager that finally wins with the Cubs will go down in history. They will be gods in Chicago, but even nationally i think there will be some long term recognition of the players and people responsible. There will be E:60s, and 30 for 30s. It may not be crazy, but i definitely think that whoever wins with the Cubs will be remembered nationally more than whichever manager wins it for whatever city this year.

              1. beerhelps

                Agree 100% I don’t really think there is any doubt about it.

              2. Jono

                I agree, I just think that the legacy WITHIN chicago alone is worth it. I’m giving people the national argument just to focus on the city aspect.

              3. Scotti

                “It may not be crazy…”

                It WILL be crazy. The Blackhawks drew 2 million to their parade. The Cubs will draw 5 million, or more, and the City will struggle to fit them all.


            3. CubsFaninMS

              I’m from Louisiana originally and the New Orleans Saints fans suffered for decades with a poor team. The Super Bowl where the Saints won was the “most watched program in TV history”. The Saints had a 43-year drought. As a Saints fan, there’s a very obvious increase in fan base of the Saints across the country and exposure in the national media. If the next manager sticks with the Cubs long term, manages a solid team, and wins the World Series, he will be a very popular figure to the INCREASED Cubs fans base across the country, just as Sean Payton is (as long as he doesn’t implement a bounty program!). If any manager’s goal is to be a household name, then they need to go sign a duet with Miley Cyrus. If their goal is to be a legendary sports figure, they have an opportunity to manage the Cubs and possibly do just that.

              1. CubsFaninMS

                *fan base
                *sign not sign

              2. Jason Powers

                The guy who is at the helm of the WS title will be a WALKING GOD on the Northside. No discussion.

                Ditka parlayed his SB into plenty. When SNL skits you (yes Second City SNL members made that a given) you’ve F-ing made it. I can see a skit all ready — assuming any youngstas watch that or any other variety tv much.

                Whomever cures the century old lovable losers tag will be able to do no wrong for 3 years thereafter. No one will give a shit. Nearly untouchable — and always remember with the lineup he led. (The players will be able to smile always in the Windy City…look at the 84 Cubs – they’ve gotten mileage out of a almost.)

        2. Steve

          Terry Francona was the Red Sox manager in 2004.

          1. Kyle

            If you’re on BN, you are probably covered under “hardcore fan.”

          2. OCCubFan

            Being a legend didn’t seem to include lifetime employment in Boston for Francona.

      2. When the Music's Over

        Yes and no. At this point in time, ignoring the money, and focusing on everything else, it’s a very high risk, high reward position.

        Winning a championship with the Cubs is about as high of a reward as you can possibly attain in MLB at this point (the Red Sox used to be higher), but if you like to win and know that the team you are currently with does so as well above all else, suffering through close to 100 loss seasons is about as high reward as you can get.

        1. When the Music's Over

          *about as high risk as you can get.

        2. Jono

          “it’s a very high risk, high reward position.”

          Sure is. that’s why the fact that he already has a ring plays a key factor.

        3. Edwin

          I don’t see how winning a world series with the Cubs would be any better reward than winning a world series with any other team.

          1. Jono

            I do

            1. Edwin

              How is it a better reward?

              1. Jono

                you’re kidding, right?

                1. Edwin

                  Do you see my face? This is my serious face.

                2. Kyle

                  If you aren’t a Cubs fan, you don’t really care about it.

              2. Chef Brian

                Because the Cubs are a giant market, that hasn’t won in over a hundred years. I’ve seen it described as winning a title for/with the Chicago Cubs is the “Holy Grail of baseball”. I don’t see anyone describing winning a title in Texas or Cincinnati that way. So it I guess it carries more significance.

                1. Voice of Reason

                  Before the Red Sox won the World Series a couple of years back, they were pushing 100 years without a championship.

                  Now that they did it, who remembers it outside of Boston? How many ESPN features were done? Who played first base? Who was the starting pitcher in the final game of the series?

                  It will be the same thing when the Cubs win it. Sure it will be big new nationally for a year or two, but it will fade quickly on the national level, just like it did in Boston!

                  1. Chef Brian

                    We all remember it unless you have a brain tumor. It was huge for Boston and now I want the same for the Cubs. As far as retrospectives go, ESPN covered it ad naseum. Now I want to be sick of Cubs National Coverage. Winning for the Vubs is a huge achievement. It has drawn Lou Pinnelas and Dusty Bakers to their doom (not literally but the were disappointed).

                2. Edwin

                  Other than Cubs fans, who really describes it that way, though? Maybe a minority of really hardcore baseball fans, and I’m sure baseball writers/historians would describe it that way, but does the average fan of any other team really care at all about how long it’s been since the Cubs won the world series, other than just knowing a piece of trivia knowledge?

                  1. Chef Brian

                    I remember being happy for Boston. They are fans of other teams, who cares what they think? Baseball people see the significance, it is talked about all the time. Now I’m feeling like I’m talking to a contrarian. I dont like disagreeing for its own sake. If you don’t think that anyone besides the few thousand people that follow this site, see the significance of ending the longest championship drought in all sports. Well, ok.

                  2. Boogens

                    I tell my wife over and over that when the Cubs win the World Series it will be the single biggest sports event in our lifetimes. It will be a worldwide event. Men and women will be out in the streets openly weeping and I will be one of them.

                    I truly believe that.

                    1. Edwin

                      It will probably be the biggest event in the lives of Cubs fans, sure.

                  3. Brian Peters

                    You wan to know who besides Cubs fans describes it that way, you cave-dwelling, ignorant fool? Well, I’ll tell you. I live in Central Illinois, halfway between St. Louis and Chicago. Aside from ONE friend, who shares my love of the Cubs, my other friends are either Cardinals fans or Reds fans. Do you know what THEY say about a Cubs World Series victory? Number one: they will mortgage their homes to buy tickets. Number two: they will don Cubs’ gear. Why would they do such a thing? It’s really simple, really. No one on earth currently living and breathing was around the last the Cubs won a WS. People over 30 seem better able to understand the far-reaching significance of a Cubs WS win. Younger folks have trouble imagining this scenario….probably because they haven’t suffered as much from Cubs losses, just like my 47-year-old self haven’t suffered as much as my dad. If you can’t wrap your mind around the enormity of a Cubs win–within AND outside of Chicago–then get out of the way of those who can.

                    1. Joe

                      I live in Southern Illinois right smack in the middle of Cardinal territory. I don’t know anyone outside of my little circle of Cubs fans who want to see the Cubs win a WS, let alone support and celebrate it. Cardinal fans hold the drought over our collective heads. If we win they lose that advantage.

                      So if that also makes me a cave-dwelling, ignorant fool then so be it. I appreciate the fact that Cardinal fans don’t want us to win. I don’t want them to win either.

        4. Voice of Reason

          “Winning a championship with the Cubs is about as high of a reward as you can possibly attain in MLB at this point”

          You say that because your heart is with the Cubs.

          If this was a Seattle Mariner website then Mariner’s fans would be saying it would be great to win the World Series with them.

          It doesn’t matter what team you win a World Series with. It would be outstanding just to manage a team that wins a World Series.

          1. When the Music's Over

            Yes, I believe that within baseball, right now, it’s the pinnacle of achievements. But what I don’t believe is that outside of Chicago and a few years from now, that anyone will really give a shit that Girardi was managing the team.

            1. mjhurdle

              it won’t be a national holiday, but i would be willing to bet that the Bio for the manager that wins a world series with the Cubs would always start with “He managed the team that ended the century old championship streaK”, no matter what else he has done or goes on to do.

              1. MightyBear

                Just like Francona’s

            2. YourResidentJag


            3. Scotti

              Chicago is one of four teams that have a national following–Cubs, Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers. By many metrics, the Cubs lead in that category. They are also one of only three with an international following–Yankees, Dodgers, Cubs. The Cubs are huge outside of Chicago.

              In fact, the Cubs are MARGINAL within Chicago. They can’t get the stadium/facility deals that the Sox, Bears, Bulls or even DePaul(!!!) get. They get steamrolled when they are looking to run their own business. The Cubs are HUGE in the North West Burbs and huge nationally (compared to other teams). In Chicago, they’re treated like red-headed step-children. When the Cubs GET to a World Series, fans will pour into the City from around the globe, even to just hang around.

              1. MightyBear

                What metrics? My understanding is its the Yankees, Boston, Cubs. Yankees usually lead in visiting attendance followed by the Red Sox then the Cubs. Cubs usually lead in the NL.

                1. Scotti

                  Road attendance percentage–the Cubs this year were 9th (!) in road percentage despite really, really sucking for several years and they were tied for 4th (!!!) last year. When they are winning, they are generally #1 or #2 in all MLB.

                  A great example of this is 2005. The Yankees were having another great year (.586) and the Cubs were not (.488). Yet the Yankees were #1 (82.1%) of road capacity and the Cubs were #2 (81.1%) of road capacity. The attendance calculator that I have doesn’t go back two decades but I wouldn’t bet that the Yankees had that kind of support 1989-1992.

                  The Cubs are also, disproportionately, huge national draws when they are on national games and they are also, again, disproportionately huge in the apparel market.

            4. Grant

              Epstein is still hailed as the GM who won in Boston…it would likely be similar with the Cubs manager when (yes, I said when) it happens.

          2. DocShock8

            I think the argument (right or wrong-and I am not taking a side) is that the Cubs, like the Yankees, are a national story. If you ask the average baseball fan which franchise has seen the longest drought in winning a WS (not appearing) they would most likely answer the Chicago Cubs. So in that sense if the Cubs win it will be big news for more than just Chicago, it will be big news in all of baseball (especially the “if they can do it we can too” mantra). The Mariners may be a sad sack franchise but they are not a national story. You don’t think TV producers of postseason games wouldn’t want the Cubs to be in the postseason or WS? In fact I would be willing to wager that when the Cubs make the WS the ratings will be the highest they have had in probably decades because it is that much of a national story.

            Now whether that translates to more prestige for a manager is another story. I do not know if that light will shine back on him or not, but the story itself will be big news for a pretty decent time.

            Just my thoughts.

          3. cubzfan23

            The idea of erasing a 105 drought is about as big as it gets. So yes chicago would be a better place to win. I also think that will be what brings Giradi back to chicago.

          4. Scotti

            The argument that the Cubs do not have a huge national following is not very voice of reasony.

            1. DarthHater

              And this surprises you?

  6. Steve

    Been hearing a lot of negative talk about how awful the managerial times of Dusty Baker and Lou Pinella were when they managed at Wrigley Field. These fans seem to forget that between the two veteran managers they led the Cubs to 5 winning seasons. Considering I’ve been fan for 60-years and have seen only 12 other winning seasons at the Friendly Confines, I’d say their time as manager of the Cubs was excellent.

    1. bbmoney

      I don’t forget that, the Cubs were good. They were fun years. I just think that a lot of people attribute way too much of that success to the manager without realizing the Cubs had some very talented rosters in that period and that’s largely why they won.

      Bad managers can win with good talent. Dusty Baker is a bad tactical manager.

      1. jayrig5

        Yes, exactly. Very well said. Quade could have won 95+ games with the 2008 team.

    2. DocPeterWimsey

      Well, what people remember most about Dusty is the fact that Prior and (to a lesser extent) Wood broke down, with Dusty arguing all the while that pitch counts didn’t hurt pitchers. Some fans also believe that a better manager would somehow have made Corey Patterson and other failed Cubs position players grow batting eyes, too. They also remember Dusty giving grizzled veterans starts over young guys, too: and that always rankles a certain type of fan.

      So, what people tend to remember is that Dusty was given a good young team, and then proceeded to break it. That’s not entirely true, but it’s not entirely false, either.

  7. Illini Iceman

    Ditka is still cashing in on the Super Bowl win with the Bears so don’t underestimate the legacy it will create for whoever is the manager when the Cubs finally win the WS.

    1. Voice of Reason

      Yeah, Ditka is still cashing in because the freaking Bears haven’t won a Super Bowl since!

      1. Edwin

        I wish they would just so Ditka and the 85 team can finally shut up. They’re almost as bad as the 72 dolphins.

      2. voice of treason

        that is going to change after this season

      3. When the Music's Over

        That team has so much personality and swagger, including their coach. That has as much to do with their legacy as actually winning the super bowl. For shit’s sake, they were so cocky, the filmed and released the super bowl shuffle months before they even played in the damn thing.


      4. JM

        Now you’re changing the scope of the conversation…

    2. Edwin

      Is Ozzie Guillen still cashing in on his world series win the the White Sox?

      1. ScottPilgrim

        If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

        1. TWC

          If no one was around to hear it, how do you know it fell?

          1. mjhurdle

            how do you know it was a tree?

            1. Edwin

              Why is anything anything?!?

              1. wilbur

                If a tree fell in a forest and someone was there to hear it, would anyone believe them?

  8. cavemencubbie

    I admit I’m not all that bright; but how much does a manager affect young talent? Doesn’t teaching fall mostly on the coaching staff, while the manager affects how the player is used?

    Just asking?

  9. Clark Addison

    I think a major factor in Girardi’s decision will be that the Yankees are an aging team on their way down, while the Cubs are about to turn the corner.

    1. Voice of Reason

      Yeah, the Cubs have been “about to turn the corner” for a long time.

      1. JM

        You’re not a Cubs fan are you?

        1. MichiganGoat

          A strong possibility

  10. Die hard

    Quit obsessing over Joe and move on -yeesh!

    1. DarthHater

      Yea, guys. Please spend less time discussing what’s actually going on and more time paying attention to whatever gems Die hard picked out of his feces today.

      1. Chef Brian

        Ha! Poop. Unfortunately Darth, I think thats where Diehard probably does most of his thinking.

  11. Mike F

    The Cubs, for better or worse, are the definition of utter sports futility. It is not just the 105 years and counting or major market. It is how close they were in 84, 89, and 2003. It is the legendary curse.

    Go back and see if you can get tape of the night 6 outs away from the WS, people flooded the street and shook the dump to the core. I’ve never seen anything like it before or since, and it is more pent up than imaginable now. No anyone who thinks it won’t be a big deal for the one who breaks it is sadly mistaken. It will be a legendary feat and not just in Chicago.

    1. Edwin

      I thought the Pirates were the definition of utter sports futility.

      1. Voice of Reason

        Compared to the Cubs the Pirates look like the Yankees of the National League!

      2. Blackhawks1963

        Hmmm. Better check your history of the Pirates. They were an outstanding franchise during multiple time periods in their history, to include the great 1979 team. Their history is a just a wee bit better than the 105 year futility of the Cubs.

  12. Blackhawks1963

    My viewpoint is that Girardi returns to the Yankees. The Pinstripes are in his veins. He played on 3 World Series Championship teams in the Bronx, and has managed another Yankees team to a World Series. He’s beloved in New York and operates on the biggest stage in the world. The Yankees are the most successful and prolific franchise in all of professional sports worldwide. He’s not going to walk away from that…he’s carving out his own chapters in the history of a great franchise that has won 28 freaking World Series !

    1. Chef Brian

      “Pinstripes are in his veins”. Girardi was drafted by the Cubs played for the Cubs, went to Northwestern, has practically begged for the Cubs job, and put the team he is bleeding for to the side so he can hear the Cubs offer. Yeah, sounds like he’d take a bullet for Hank Steinbrenner.

  13. The Al Yellon Reality Tour

    So THIS is the site where all my legion of former posters flocked !! Boy, I used to have a blue chip group of baseball savvy and poignant posters. But I drove them all away and my blog is reduced to a bunch of bored housewives from Berwyn. Guess that’s what I get for thinking I am a great sports journalist when in fact I’m a flunky service technician who embraces Nazi style discipline to bleedcubbieblue.com.

    Somebody kick me.

  14. cubzfan23

    Did anyone read Mike maddux is interested in the job. Per espn

  15. Blackhawks1963

    There is mention that Jim Riggleman might be a strong candidate in Cincinnati. I always thought Riggs was a good manager. Poor guy got the shaft in Washington.

    Mike Maddux? I don’t know what I think about that until I hear him describe his baseball philosophy, personal style, etc. He’s a pitching coach for crying out loud. Some pitching coaches make good managers (e.g., Bud Black) but most do not. And very few pitching coaches ever get the interview to manage. So beyond the bloodlines that he has plus his quality success at pitching coach in Milwaukee and Texas, I’d need to understand a lot more about the guy.

  16. Obsessive New Manager Watch: Mike Maddux Reportedly More Interested This Time Around | Bleacher Nation | Chicago Cubs News, Rumors, and Commentary

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  17. Tennessee Cub

    JG, isn’t going to sign with Yankees, as of right now. He will interview with the Cubs and has downplayed his interest all along. The Cubs are prepared to make him the highest paid manager in the game. They see a winner coming and want a proven leader to lead the way. They know, just like in life, that young people will respect those more that are proven. They also know that Joe knows Chicago and how important a title means to the city, as well as to manager who wins it. Joe, if a title is won, will have MJ status in Chicago. Insider knowledge

  18. Tennessee Cub

    Also, losing Mo, Alex, Cano, Phil, Jaba, Granderson, Andy and possibly others (Jeter). Joe knows that New York will struggle. He also knows that The New York media will have a field day with a team that don’t win, even win they probably shouldn’t. He is very excited about the Cubs future, sees winning a real strong possibility second half of 14 and beyond. Get excited Cub fans!!!!!!!!!!!

  19. Mike F

    I said earlier, it looks like the Yankees were going to not accept what appeared to be JG’s take it or leave it. He wins on this, because the Yankees win because they are the Yankees. Looks to me like he either backs down and accepts their last best, or you have an amicable paring. Everyone wins. If this all plays out, I agree with Kaplan, he would be looking at the Cubs and only differ, he isn’t tied to the Cubs in the sense he can broadcast. I don’t believe his mercenary so don’t the Nationals or Reds as serious competition.

  20. Rich H

    I at this point am wondering what Baseball promises have been whispered to JG to get him to jump at atleast hearing an actual pitch from the Cubs.

    Was it a payroll level? Did they say he would input on the roster? His own personal Rob Deer as an assistant hitting coach?

    There has to be more than just money. JG could make a bank in NY just in endorsements to more than offset the reported difference in money.

  21. Ivy Walls

    Been here, Girardi has to be wow’d by the offer, if it is incremental he has a decision to make. But what we don’t know if a verbal parameter from the Cubs is a true wow. There are two kind of wow’s, annual $$$ wow’s and term of service wow’s or a combination of both.

    The margins is decision power etc.

    My guess is that if I were in the room making suggestions I would say that the Cubs need a top 5 paid manager all the time…so that is the budget basement. So then it is terms, as in guaranteed years plus option years as in who has an the options, is it mutual, person or organizational and what is the buyout?

    It is that simple, but of course the implications are quite complicated. Girardi is 48 years old, so let us say the Cubs offer him a 5 yr guaranteed contract at $7.5M ($40M), that is a wow, okay but what if Girardi has a buyout or out at let say when 2016 when Epstein’s contract is up. But with then a organizational option for 2017 and a mutual option with buyout 2018 and manager option for 2019 and 2020. That is a sweetheart deal.

    Eight years with outs.

  22. Blackhawks1963

    The Washington job is the best job. Great roster, great pitchin, good farm system and a billionaire owner who wants to win.

  23. ClevelandCubsFan

    Haven’t seen an answer to this. If there was one, sorry I missed it.

    If ARod sits out, the Yankees do not have to pay him during that time. However, do his contract dollars count against the cap?

    1. Scotti

      My understanding is it would not count against the cap but, with all of the litigation occurring, his status may not be decided prior to the season begins, thus making the point moot. Meaning, if they get under $189M with him ON the payroll and then he is off they will just be far under during the season (when there is little to nothing they can do with their new found “cap space”).

      However, if they ASSUMED ARod will be out, and then he winds up stalling his suspension (through legal wrangling), they will have missed the opportunity to get under cap in 2014 and have to do it all over again in 2015. They will lose two, instead of just one, season (the reason they want to get under cap is that the penalty resets after just one season under cap).

  24. Mike F

    Kaplan has reported and confirmed it within the last hour, JG has no interest in the Reds or the Nationals. Kaplan is connected and is a solid source. It comes down to the Yankees, Cubs or the booth. Looks more and more like the Cubs may actually land him. it has to bother the Yankees they had to counter, but we’ll see. I’m beginning to think, it’s very possible he wasn’t playing the Cubs and may well be looking fro an orderly retreat from the Yankees.

  25. 70'scub

    Bring back Dusty! Proven record in terms of developing young talent plus all the experience managing winning teams. Odds could be with his next playoff team.

    1. Brian Peters

      You, sir, are effing nuts. Dusty Baker sucks ass. If you don’t know that by now, you need to buy a couple clues.

      1. 70'scub

        Got to admit Dusty could get Rizzo, Castro hitting and maybe one becomes a rake! Cubs need a MLB manager that has proven success, I know Dusty is done in Chicago. Maybe he bring his edge to Washington.

  26. Scotti

    “If he rejects it, we’ll have to see if the Yankees then relent and let Girardi speak to other teams before his contract expires at the end of this month.”

    It would only make the Yanks look petty to deny him once they are no longer in the running (a parameter, I might add, that THEY created). It would, likely, also make his return to the Yankees down the road a non-starter. No reason to create ill will like that.

  27. Scotti

    Video of Giradi saying he would trade his three Yankee WS rings for ONE Cub ring:


    “For the Cubs to win the World Series, it would just be a wonderful event,” Girardi said in Liston’s video. “You’d own the city. It would be awesome. They’d probably start giving buildings away. It would just be unbelievable.”

    Yes, grain of salt and all of that. He IS wearing a Cub jersey in the video. But, this is rather instructive regarding the earlier discussion as to what impact the Cubs winning a WS would have. They would start giving away buildings!

  28. Obsessive New Manager Watch: Decision Day for Joe Girardi? | Bleacher Nation | Chicago Cubs News, Rumors, and Commentary

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  29. Geo


    1. Blublud

      I’m confused by the relevance.

      1. Geo

        There is none I’m just learning how to upload photos on iphone.didnt thing anyone was reading or trolling this old articles message board wow!! Get a life!

        1. MichiganGoat

          Hmmmm um so you testing pictures on here that show up in the recent comment section, pics that have no purpose and you wonder why I think you’re trolling. Mkay

        2. Blublud

          Right. I’m not one to call a person a troll. But you come to a site that has 400+ post, today only, and you consider it a site that no one is reading or trolling on. Right. I guess you never seen the recent comments part of the site.

  30. Geo


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