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manny actaIt’ll be a Girardi-free week in the Cubs’ managerial search, and the Cubs could narrow their focus rapidly and markedly. Indeed, you could say it’s bench coach week for the Cubs, with anticipated interviews of Rick Renteria and Dave Martinez – the Padres’ and Rays’ bench coaches, respectively – on tap.

  • For an excellent rundown of what the Cubs are looking for in their next manager, Patrick Mooney goes over the details. I significant focus that is emerging? A bilingual influence, be it in the manager’s seat or at least on the coaching staff. The previous staff was a markedly English-speaking one, but the developing prospect/young player core has a number of Latin Americans. Undoubtedly, the coaches do their best to communicate and the players do their best to learn, but fluency – just think about the nuances and subtleties that a batting coach, for example, tries to communicate – would be ideal.
  • Jesse Rogers also reports that the Cubs are looking for a Latin American influence in their search, be it at the managerial level or on the coaching staff. We may also see an uptick in Latin American presence among the minor league coaching group as well. (Careful about speculating on some of the managerial candidates being considered for coaching jobs – you’re not going to see Rick Renteria or Dave Martinez make a lateral move to the Cubs, and A.J. Hinch might not leave the front office for a coaching job. It’s conceivable – based on nothing more than current role, and the normal progression of other baseball men – that Manny Acta could consider a coaching role.)
  • Rogers’ piece suggests, by the way, that Sandy Alomar, Jr. – a finalist for the Cubs job in 2011 – is still a possibility for the Cubs, although he hasn’t yet been contacted. Alomar was recently moved off of the bench coach job for the Indians in favor of long-time Terry Francona bench coach Brad Mills. Alomar was moved to first base coach duties.
  • Renteria, 51, is apparently recovering from recent hip surgery. It isn’t expected to limit him with respect to possible managerial duties, and he’s expected to be good to go come Spring Training. Of course, with the Cubs’ luck, he’d likely require a follow-up procedure and would be on the 60-day DL to start the year.
  • Manny Acta, who has already been interviewed once for the Cubs’ gig, is getting a hearty endorsement from former Cub Luis Gonzalez. The two played together in the minors, where Gonzalez says Acta was already teaching teammates what he could.
  • A deeper look at A.J. Hinch, who has also reportedly been interviewed by the Cubs.
  • As the process goes on, I’d encourage folks to remember to consider each of the candidates on his own merits, instead of focusing on the fact that he is “not Joe Girardi.” That kind of mindset is essentially a bizarre post-hoc revisionism, and ignores the fact that we never really knew much about Girardi’s merits as a manager for this Chicago Cubs organization in the first place (he was going to be expensive, he used to be a Cub, and he’s had success managing the Yankees – that’s all that 99% of us actually knew about him with respect to this search process). If every managerial search was doomed to failure if it didn’t land an experienced, currently-successful, big name manager, then almost every search would be a failure. And the Cubs’ searches of the early and mid-2000s would have been deemed herculean successes.
  • MattM

    Mjhurdle clearly I can tell that you do NOT know what you are talking about. Before you speak without knowledge why don’t you look up the Gallup q12 and refer to the universally accepted amount of lost revenue this country faces due to employee DIS-engagement (its in the 100s of billions). Employee engagement does not exist in some vacuum….It exists across any activity that requires a human being doing work. For that matter operant conditioning creates those same positive behaviors in non human living beings.

    And FYI Jim Edmonds has NEVER not given 100 percent on the field. To even bring his name up is hilarious. Also speculating on a players injury makes you lose credibility as well.

    Molina not giving 100 percent? Wow.

    I get you are trying to support your point but stop with that stuff. Molina for his entire career has been known as one of the hardest working players in major league baseball.

    I find it funny as well that you try to take the most productive hardest working players in baseball and mold them to your argument. How about Drew? One would suggest that maybe he had fake injuries throughout his career yet his best most productive seasons happened as a Cardinal. Hmm…. Doesn’t support what you are saying….

    • mjhurdle

      Calm down buddy.
      I didn’t take any shots at you, so im really not sure where your hostility is coming from. Must be that wonderful HR employee engagement skills coming through :)

      And i never said it wasn’t important. I simply thought you were over-estimating the effect of “chemistry” over talent in baseball.

      As far as Edmonds goes, that is straight from Jim Edmonds mouth. He often appears on a local sports radio morning show. here is the link, but they recently change from 590 to CBS 920, so im not sure how deep the archive goes. http://www.insidestl.com/

      I didn’t live in STL while Drew was here, so i can’t speak about that. I only know what i have seen and heard in my time here.

    • MichiganGoat

      Quick question about your belief in Edmonds as being a 100% effort guy- does any of this have to do with his diving highlight reel catches?

      • chrisfchi

        Reed Johnson FTW!

    • Scotti

      “Molina not giving 100 percent? Wow.”

      FWIW, the Cardinal organization has openly discussed the fact that Molina is now not shifting behind the plate but, rather, catching with his hands (i.e. stabbing at the pitch) in an attempt to go easy on his knees which they (erroneously, IMO) believe have been hampered by correctly shifting to block pitches in the dirt.

    • Voice of Reason

      Matt, mjhurdle does not know what he is talking about

      Talking to mjhurdle is like trying to talk to a 2 year old about physics.

      You need to stop or you’ll start banging your head against the wall.

      Mjhurdle went on and on yesterday about larussa and how he wasn’t a great.manager.

  • MattM

    Re: JD Drew….His best year was the year after St. Louis in Atl. His second best was in St. Louis.

  • MattM

    MJHurdle: it comes from the fact that I read through this entire thread and you are clearly on it the most argueing that with others that for some reason LaRussa was not a great manager. That is absolutely NOT the case. You support what you are saying with non facts. BTW employee engagement has nothing to do with “Chemistry.” You could hate a co-worker that does not matter. What matters is that you buy into the system. That said look up Edmonds’ best years and see if he bought into the system.

    A lot of times it’s buy in that matters. Rudy Jaramillo actually spelled that out. Even in his first year he mentioned that the older players did not buy in to what he was saying and from what he said when he left they didn’t either. Clearly, no one is going to benefit from any knowledge of what he is talking about because they don’t buy-in to what he is saying.

    A lot of the reason that Duncan was so good was because the players bought in to what he was teaching and actually listened to what he was saying. No one would have gotten any value from him had they not listened to anything he said.

    There is a great scene in Moneyball where Billy Beane is talking to David Justice (I don’t know if it happened but it underscores a point) where David Justice thinks he is outside the system and Billy Beane puts him in his place then tells him what he could be to the team if he would participate. That’s what I’m talking about. Clearly, Pinella NEVER had that (fighting in the clubhouse with players).

    The Cardinals players have bought into the system…..even players that come from elsewhere start to play more for the team…..THat’s just how the Cardinals are.

    Matheny has the benefit of already having a culture in place and that has helped him.

    • mjhurdle

      you have obviously not read many of my posts.
      I can believe that LaRussa would not be good for the Cubs right now and still think LaRussa is a good manager.

    • Brains

      There’s no way we’re getting LaRussa, he doesn’t manage for teams dedicated to losing.

  • MattM

    Michigan Goat. Absolutely it does. At 38 a player running his butt off and putting his body on the line to make a play absolutely does that.

    Here’s another one: How about the MANY times in the 6-7 years where the Cubs have been in a situation where the opposing pitcher has been having problems throwing strikes and walks one or two guys on 4-8 consecutive pitches then the next guy comes up and swings at the first pitch….

    Does that seem like a guy who’s head is in the game and actually wants to play for a team or a guy who is coming up for himself?

    It’s happened so much that I can remember Sutcliffe mentioning it on ESPN last year or the year before.

    • MichiganGoat

      Okay Matt first can you please hit the reply button it makes conversations easier to follow and second many player and pundits have criticized Edmonds for purposefully do dives on routine plays. But that’s a whole other conversation but my bigger point is we as fans have ways of using specific plays and especially highlights give definition to our value of a player. So Edmonds made diving plays so we think he played “balls to the wall” “100%” but it’s hard to stand miles away from a person and measure his attitude/desire/effort aka scrappiness. These are fan descriptions and not something we can measuring.

  • Atl Cubbie

    I get it the Cubs want a latin manger. Whats wrong with Tony Pena, Davey Lopes or lets shove it the Cardinals faces and get Jose Oquendo. We all know what Dave Martinez did to Sandberg. You dont get traded straight up for Mitch Webster in the middle of the year for nothing. Homewrecker!!!.

  • MattM

    HAHA Wow. So someone not involved in a play can actually tell someone who made the play that they “faked it.” That basically a very ignorant statement! So you are saying that Edmonds purposely didn’t get a jump so he could dive?

    What about Molina? So he doesn’t play hard? Think about Castro in context? Both players were brought up through these clubs. Does Molina seem to have his head in the game? Does Castro seem to have his head in the game?

    You guys are coming up with a really stupid argument. You are saying that a manager who has a good teams and gets them to play behind him well isn’t really a good manager…..

    Doc Wimsey talked about the Red Sox going into the playoffs with a good record the year they won. What about the Cardinals when they won? They had the worst record of all playoff teams by far. I’m pretty sure they barely won 85 games.

    The Cubs SHUT DOWN two straight playoffs! The second year I’m pretty sure they had the best record. What does that say?

    • MichiganGoat

      Okay Matt again please hit the reply button and calm down, just because some people disagrees or challenges you does mean you have to get angry. I have no problem with you love of player “effort” but just as you think it ludicrous for people to judge Edmonds catches from a distance the same logic can be used with your belief that he was giving 100%. How do you know? Maybe he’s just really good but only playing at 75% and what about the player that sucks can he also give 100%?

    • TWC

      “HAHA Wow. So someone not involved in a play can actually tell someone who made the play that they “gave 100%.” That basically a very ignorant statement!”

      FTFY.

  • jon

    Judging by his snarkiness, arrogance, and inability to use a simple ‘reply’ button, I’d hazard a guess MattyM is a Cards fan?

    • MichiganGoat

      Yeah I think that probably correct

      • MattM

        So actually I have been a Cubs fan my whole life. I hate Tony LaRussa because I know what a good manager he is/was and also see that the Cardinals were NOT a good team until he took them over.

        Second, the snarkiness is there because I read through this whole thread and saw what you guys were saying and the evidence you gave. Why would someone say that another poster doesn’t know what they are talking about because they said LaRussa was the best manager in the past 20 years. THen you give no evidence to support it. Aside from, “well he had good teams.” Ok.

        Now I say WHY I think he is a good/great manager and give industry agreed upon information for that fact and you guys to support your previous claim say, “well one player faked injuries.” The other (Jadier Molina hands down recognized in all of baseball as one of the hardest working people in the game) doesn’t hustle.

        Then you guys tell me that I guy who slams into walls and who also had the best diving play EVER up a stupid hill in Houston only dove because he didn’t give 100 percent to make the catch. Also pretty much he NEVER gave 100 percent that’s why he always dove…. WOW!

        Beyond that Michigan I actually actually have a life and am not on here 24 hours a day every day like you so I just go to the bottom and comment. Thanks though since you are a Bleacher nation veteran for telling me how to reply big guy. Are getting paid for your work on here?

        • MichiganGoat

          Good night Matt and thank you for your reading comprehension it is greatly appreciated since I never commented on on LaRussa but continue to enjoy the site.

          • MattM

            This is what’s hilarious with you guys! No YOU did not comment on LaRussa BUT YOU TRIED TO BACK SOMEONE ELSE UP WHO DID BY SAYING THAT EDMONDS ALWAYS GAVE 75 PERCENT!

            Go back and read through this thread. I’m not mad because someone is not agreeing with me. I’m mad because someone made the statement that LaRussa was a great manager only to get attacked by the Bleachernation horde with dumb anecdotal evidence against him. Then attacked him as not knowing anything! It’s not the first time it’s happened on this site!

            I’m trying to get you guys to see what you look like on here sometimes.

            Basically the fact that you are trying to diminish a players effort only because it’s in a thread argueing whether or not LaRussa was a good manager seems like you are providing evidence that he’s not.

            That said this is an ignorant argument because he is a great manager! He’s a hall of famer in fact! But I guess people on here are smarter than everyone else including major league baseball! Oh and any major company that using the same concepts to motivate their employees. Them too….

            • MichiganGoat

              Since your reading comprehension is so great please find where I ever mentioned LaRussa, defended whoever you are arguing with, I was challenging your belief that Edmonds have 100% based on your own anecdotal evidence of him making diving catches. So continue to believe what you must to help you sleep.

              • MattM

                I’ll challenge your assumption again! Why would someone risk INJURY by not giving 75% only to fake giving 100% just to make a diving catch?

              • MattM

                Obviously, your comprehension is a little off base! By picking out one detail of an argument I made to someone else then challenging that. It in and of itself means you’re trying to pick apart my argument in favor of supporting the other.

                My argument was that players like Edmonds played hard for LaRussa. Then you’re argument is Edmonds never played hard. If you can’t understand the dynamics of what is going on I can’t explain it to you better.

                • MichiganGoat

                  Okay I agree that I am wrong you are right, I attacked you on purpose and made up the idea that Edmonds wasn’t as good as he actually is, he is the epitome of defensive greatness, he sacrifed his body to help his team win, LaRussa is a great manager. I’m a dumb ass goat that should disappear so your flawless logic can continue. I’m sorry I attacked you. I’m sorry you feel wronged. I’m sorry for pointing out poor reading comprehension when I am obviously unable to read Highlights magazine. You are great. You are perfect. I humbly bow to your superior skills. You make the internet great. Good night I’m going to cry into my pint and reflect upon my flaws.

                  Feel better? Did I give 100% in my apology?

                  • bbmoney

                    What is it a pint of? Had some founders myself tonight

                    • MichiganGoat

                      Founders Centennial IPA

                    • bbmoney

                      Nice. Picked up some Breakfast Stout myself

                    • MichiganGoat

                      Cheers Breakfast Stouts are the best especially CBS & KBS.

                  • MattM

                    It must really hurt your feelings since you LIVE on this site huh….

                    You probably only give 75% effort in that liquor store you work in as well don’t you? That’s why you think Edmonds does right? lol….

    • MattM

      The arrogance is from you guys! That’s why there is always someone new on this website getting pissy! You guys always post snarky remarks to someone who doesn’t agree with you then you act like they are the arrogant ones.

      Let me ask you all a question. Why does someone not know what they are talking about when they say LaRussa is hands down one of the best managers the past 20 years?

      • MichiganGoat

        Again I’ve never said anything about LaRussa I was simply trying to engage you in a discourse about how we measure a player’s “effort.” You got quickly defensive each time you were challenged. So to make you feel better:

        1-LaRussa is the Greatest Manager ever
        2-Edmonds gave 110% every single time

        Good night enjoy the site.

        • MattM

          Again. You engaging in a discourse on effort sounds DUMB when your argument is basically that they would forgo making an easy and safe catch only to RISK injury and fake their effort just to make a diving play?

          When it’s put that way doesn’t it sound a little dumb? Just saying…..

        • mjhurdle

          Dont worry MichiganGoat, it isn’t just you.
          He told me i dont know anything solely based on not agreeing with him on how much “employee engagement” plays into baseball.

          But we are the arrogant ones.

          • MichiganGoat

            We are flawed horrible people and we’ve been served truth and now must wimper away in embarrassment.

            • ssckelley

              Let that be a lesson to you!

            • MattM

              Haha! You guys are hilarious. This is how YOU act to people who don’t agree with YOU! You guys come in and gang up on people when they don’t support what YOU say.

              Mjhurdle it is a simple fact that you do not know what you are talking about. Employee Engagement absolutely does play in baseball more so than you think. It’s based on fundamental principles from Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs.

              Pay is the very basic motivator. The only thing pay can do is be a basic “floor,” motivator if an employee does not think it is fair. After pay is fair based on industry standard and production an organization must focus on development then self actualization. Let the employee grow and communicate the importance of that employee to the organization. This way an employee will take ownership of their jobs.

              Clearly in professional sports this is important because when someone makes 10 million dollars they are set for life. What incentive do that have then to give their full effort day in and day out? The managers that are great with motivation are going to be more successful.

              So yes when you say it doesn’t play in baseball I would absolutely say that you do not know what you are talking about. That doesn’t mean you can’t learn about it. It’s a very interesting topic and one which will propel this Country forward.

              • ssckelley

                Awesome! You have a shot at winning the internet.

              • Chase S.

                You know, I mostly have to agree with MattM on this. Trust me, I get the numbers side of the affect managers have on their teams, and I mostly agree with it. What I don’t get is how so many of you are dismissive of points like MattM makes about getting the most from players, therefor having a greater affect on how the team performs. It works with everything else, why is baseball any different?

                • wilbur

                  Its not, you just can’t measure it, so statheads like to discount it as irrelevant. Which it isn’t of course, if may in fact be the most important part of a managers job, like letting zambrano be zambrano, etc. But people tend to discount things that arent part of what they themselves do or think, error of insularity/group think type of excercises, quants are among the worst for doing this and are usually found wanting because of it. Then they just blame it on bad data and ignored assumptions.

                • Kyle

                  How do you know it works in everything else?

                • MichiganGoat

                  Terms like passion, effort, will, desire, chemistry and anything else that is said are completely subjective terms that cannot be measured. These are terms almost entirely added to players, teams, and managers that have success but by doing that are we saying that teams that lose/suck/fail do not have these traits? If these traits are only for “winners” then it is purely reactionary terms added to inflate a persons worth. There are many great leaders full of abstract words that fail regularly but its not until they succeed that we add those adjectives.

                  So basically all these words are the same as calling a someone pretty or a player scrappy. There are completely subjective terms that we associate and use to describe the people and things we are fans of and can’t find anything objective to measure that success.

                  Why is this so hard for people to understand? Maybe instead of using empty words to describe people it might be more helpful to describe and hopefully quantify what they are actually doing that can predict future success- words like effort or chemistry will never be able to do that until its retroactively applied.

                  • Brains

                    You go too far in your detachment of players from the actual game, most fantasy baseball player do. All of those terms are qualitative descriptors of the conditions of what it means to actually be in the process of producing the statistics so valued. There is no clutch hit without the moment that requires the clutch hit, or the chemistry that motivates the player to play his best. Stats are after the fact indicators of the event, which includes a large swath of conditions that a statistic can’t accurately account for.

                    • MichiganGoat

                      Fine and good qualitative data will provide some of that and I would love to see a detailed qualitative to looks at what is actually happening before success is recorded. That would be an outstanding study to read, but when the only way to observe and describe the scene is by using abstract words like “effort” it is absolutely meaningless. Describe what the effort looks like, what a player is doing to get to successful “effort,” how he approaches a certain at-bat, etc. But that is exactly what coaches do on a daily basis but I doubt they are just telling players you have to have more “effort.” Good managers, trainers, teachers, and players focus on specific skills that can be taught and learned not fluffy buzz words that are in self-help books, corporate meeting, and press releases.

                      Then again I’m just a goat and completely ignorant and overly aggressive so to make everyone happy again. I give you max effort pink fluffy feelings. You are are very special!

                      [img]http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4095/5606440328_d4dabd6a8e_z.jpg[/img]

                  • jt

                    After 1980 Ozzie Smith put in more effort than Garry Templeton.
                    Effort is related to work which is defined either as Force times distance or change of energy.
                    A crude measure of the effort put forth by Smith and Templeton was the change in results generated on the field.
                    Templeton’s results declined after the above date while those of Smith improved

  • Wingit

    off topic, but having now seen the Dodgers more, it seems to me that Starlin is trying to be like Hanley Ramirez, stance and all.

    • MattM

      I agree it does look like that. Maybe his lack of care of the game rubbed off too….. I will never forget Starlin having his back turned when a pitch was thrown!

      • Wingit

        I’m telling you they look like twins. At the plate, same mannerisms, wear the uniform the same. Starlin wants to be Hanley…

      • Wingit

        Typical male not acknowledging a female could be right.

        • MattM

          LOL….I’m agreeing with you! I also think Starlin acts like him as well which is not good….

          • hansman

            It seems that it has worked for Ramirez…he does have a career .879 OPS. There is no “right” way to act as a ballplayer.

      • wilbur

        I tend to remember when he takes his glove off between pitches and looks bored, a classic pose for all young .240 hitters.

  • Barry Foote

    Why not Brad Mills?

  • YourResidentJag

    I wonder if it’s too early to interview Red Sox pitching coach Juan Nieves.

  • Jono

    I think people need to realize that challenging peoples’ arguments comes off as abrasive and not as friendly as it might intend to be. Also, when multiple people challenge the same person’s argument at the same time, it creates a ganging-up situation that pisses people off. If you’re one of those multiple people challenging someone’s argument, you’re not going to be aware of it bc to your perspective, you’re just one person. But it’s really shitty. And the multiple people tend to make the same counter arguments, forcing the person being challenged to make the same point over and over again. Then they get criticized for going in circles

    I haven’t read.the discussion here, I just saw a couple posts expressing the same kind f frustration I’ve felt here before. Let’s try ti be.more aware of.whether we’re being abrasive by challenging arguments. And let’s be aware of this ganging up thing that happens here too often. If you notice someone challenging an argument, don’t pile on.

    Sorry for the rant. Just something I figured that could.help this.place be a little.friendlier.

    • MichiganGoat

      Or maybe people can just grow the fuck up and not get all sad faced when people don’t “like” your posts. Did realize I had to stroke egos on here but if that’s the case I will make sure to tell everyone how special there are.

      [img]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-N6oS8XTvis4/UZUx91MMboI/AAAAAAAAARI/LRBF1dom5rY/s400/or-me-d-Children-%25D0%25B4%25D0%25B5%25D1%2586%25D0%25B0-Kinder-friends2sexy-nice-fechas-Monika-%25D8%25A7%25D8%25B7%25D9%2581%25D8%25A7%25D9%2584-hi-Mette-you-are-special-and-cute_larg.jpg[/img]

      • Jono

        Your response plays in perfectly to my point. Challenging ideas is a good thing. Just be aware of when it becomes abrasive and the other person isn’t enjoying it. No need to stroke egos. Just be aware when people feel like it becomes abrasive.

        • MichiganGoat

          Point taken but it’s a real shame that people are this sensitive on sports blog.

        • mjhurdle

          honestly, i haven’t seen much of the abrasive disagreement in here lately.
          At least, not initially in a thread. Most of them are like the one preceding this.

          I disagreed with MattM, but only after expressing that i agreed with his principle, just not the degree to which it affects games.
          I was then told i know nothing, and that i should read something before i speak.
          I responded that i wasn’t attacking anyone, included smileys, and tried to further explain my position. Other people, such as MichiganGoat, asked questions.
          That when we were told that our opinions were ignorant, and then that we were arrogant people that bully newcomers.

          To me that is something different than abrasive disagreement, and probably falls closer to people being too sensitive. No one was abrasive to MattM (well, at least not until being told how stupid we were), and yet he was defensive from the moment someone disagreed.
          So i guess this long ramble is just to agree with both of you. people need to be aware of what they are saying and how it might come across, but also stop being so sensitive. :)

          • MichiganGoat

            Feel the love
            [img]http://5493-files.voxcdn.com/files/resource_media/preview/rainbows-8122_preview.gif[/img]

          • Jono

            i didn’t go back to read the discussion, so I wasn’t trying to make statements about it specifically. But you bring up a good point that much of human communication is more than the actual words we use. So.often times on internet threads, people take things the wrong way. Most.of the time it’s in a more.negative way than it was meant. That’s part of the problem and part of my.point. The challenging aspect of.communicating only by text makes it that much more important to.pay attention to how someone perceives what you’re writing.

            Example- earlier.today I tried writing an innocent, playful comment to brett. But he took it as a criticism, or I misinterpreted his response. Either way, I simply clarified that I was joking and apologized.

    • Jono

      And im not suggesting that we don’t challenge ideas. Just that we be a little.more aware if and when we’re being abrasive. It’s a very fine line that can be cured with a little humor and being a little humble

      • MichiganGoat

        Sarcasm, humor, and not getting all concerned if your posts are being liked, makes these sites great. Lately there just been some fragile folks that need to be told how great they are and since that is the growing majority I’ll just be sure to be all
        lollipops and gummy bears.

        • Jono

          Posts don’t have to be liked. Again, challenging ideas is a good thing, just not when it’s done in an abrasives way

          • MichiganGoat

            Gotcha I will work on being kinder, but that’s just not very fun.

        • Jono

          Well, if someone’s fragile, treat them more carefully. That seems like the nice thing to do. Being nice and having a friendly message board is more.important than winning an argument. Some people care way too much about winning arguments on the internet. Being nice is better than being right

          • MichiganGoat

            You are correct you wonderful and fabulous person it’s all sunshine from now on.

            • Jono

              Wonderful? Obviously you don’t know me at all!

              • MichiganGoat

                You are special my friend
                [img]http://www.sfgate.com/blogs/images/sfgate/parenting/2008/02/21/rainbow220x205.gif[/img]

          • Jono

            Sorry, im just responding to each comment. I realize you already gave an appropriate response to this.comment

            • MichiganGoat

              Its cool
              [img]http://www.sfgate.com/blogs/images/sfgate/parenting/2008/01/03/rainbow290x308.jpg[/img]

              • Jono

                You know that just made.darth jealous

              • hansman1982

                I want this:

                [img]http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51bd9TAozRL.jpg[/img]

                • wilbur

                  is that the new bleacher nation t shirt?

                  • wilbur

                    also did you notice in the two pictures the horse and the unicorn have different front feet in the air? can’t agree on anything around here…

      • Eternal pessemist

        There are abusive ways of disagreeing…on the other hand, more dissenting opinions may reflect the degree to which your ideas seem out of touch.

        • Jono

          And I love a good dissenting opinion. This place would be boring if everyone agreed on everything. I’ve changed my mind here.many times due to the many people here who are.smarter than me

          • wilbur

            I’m glad that’s settled.

    • MattM

      This……..Absolutely. Well said. On top of that it’s the additional snide remarks that people pop in and make because this site is their lives then the other lifers come in on the back of that. I was actually making my point in defense of the first guy who was attacked for saying that LaRussa was a good manager.

      Then one guy says he doesn’t know what he’s talking about then MjHurdle agrees with that guy whilst arguing with the first guy.

      It’s funny though because when you tell them that they don’t know what they are talking about THEY get mad. Hilarious. They don’t like it but they do it to other people.

      Michigan goats reply to you speaks to that…..Hilarious. So now let talk about beer while he argues with you because he will. He argues with everyone.

      SO to that….What’s your favorite IPA?

      • MichiganGoat

        Shorts Huma Lupa Licious

        And Matt you are a shining example of perfection
        [img]http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lg02dyzede1qciityo1_500.gif[/img]

        • mjhurdle

          would it be too abrasive of me to tell you that, for some reason, i find this picture disturbing?

          if so, accept my thousand apologies served on a blanket made of only the softest back hair of a baby angel.

          • MichiganGoat

            My feeling are hurt you ignorant dumbass I’m just trying to spread some good vibes.

          • Jono

            Oh, did I not mention that I encourage being abrasive towards goat? But only goat. Well, goat and darth

            • MichiganGoat

              See what a little humor will do, if only everyone got it.

      • Jono

        IPAs are terrible. You obviously have no idea what you’re talking about ;)

        • MichiganGoat

          WTF
          [img]http://th08.deviantart.net/fs41/150/i/2009/032/b/0/Sad_Goat_by_TheLastSoldierofGndr.png[/img]

          • Jono

            I think we have a new meme guy. Darth must be pouting somewhere

        • hansman1982

          This.

          IPAs are the crap that God tosses out when he makes a bad batch of Windex.

          • wilbur

            If Ipas were any good do you think the brits would have sent them to india, or kept them to drink at merry olde?

    • MattM

      Sorry Jono my last post was in reply to your first one. Now I see I was correct and Michigan Goat is just going to argue with you…..so what’s your favorite IPA?

      • Jono

        Bud light? Oh, my new.favorite beer is peroni. That shit is awesome. Or, maybe this local craft beer with scotch. Its a.scotch ale. Spoil good

        • Jono

          “Spoil” is meant to be “sooooo”

        • chrisfchi

          Scotch beer? Now that’s something I would love to get my hands on

          • bbmoney

            It is fabulous. I don’t get the ipa hate though

            • hansman1982

              Maybe cuz IPA stands for “Its Phucking Atrocious”

              • bbmoney

                I see

              • DarthHater

                It’s.

          • Jono

            It was made with nitrogen instead carbon (dioxide?). The single best beer I’ve ever had.

    • chrisfchi

      So why have a discussion board if you can’t disagree with someone’s statement. I don’t get all sad sacked if someone disagrees with what I say. I make my point and move on.

      Come on people. Your not reviving a medal for winning the internet.

      • MichiganGoat

        YOU ARE WRONG! I DISAGREE WHAT EVER IGNORANT STATEMENT YOU JUST SAID.

        • chrisfchi

          BEER GOAT MEAN!

          • DarthHater

            There ain’t nuthin’ more ornery than a tipsy goat.

            • MichiganGoat

              STOP BEING AGGRESSIVE MY FEELINGS MY FEELINGS!

      • mjhurdle

        you are both so ignorantly arrogant.
        STOP PICKING ON ME!!!

      • chrisfchi

        Welp, I invaded my statement by misspelling receiving :)

      • Jono

        I never wrote that we shouldn’t disagree. I like discussing differing points of view and have often changed my.mind

        • chrisfchi

          I know. Wish there was a sarcasm indicator. Sarcasm is what keeps us Cubs fans from completely losing our minds (insert crazy eyes emotion here)

          • Jono

            Oh, sorry for not picking up on that.

          • mjhurdle

            were you at least serious about the medal?

            • chrisfchi

              Well I also misspelled invalidate so……

  • jh03

    Guys, can’t we stop with the madness and all celebrate that the Cards lost tonight? :)

    • hansman1982

      [img]https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/1979446528/hE6F78117/[/img]

      • DarthHater

        [img]http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3727/10192616614_4f13bd75e1_o.jpg[/img]

        • MichiganGoat

          Hey Darth has joined the party of love and happy feeling be prepared for aggressive memes that I will be greatly offended by and then take my beer and go home.

          • DarthHater

            [img]http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/4b4203730000000000eb359f-480/dead-goat.jpg[/img]

            • bbmoney

              Oh snap

            • mjhurdle

              well, that escalated quickly…
              :)

              • DarthHater

                He did ask for it. :-P

            • Brains

              boo

              • DarthHater

                [img]http://www.searcylaw.com/images/dyk/dyk-brain.png[/img]

                • DarthHater

                  I’m on a roll, now…

                • mjhurdle

                  wait….whose Brain did you grab?

                  uhhh… a Mr. Normal. Mr A B Normal.

                  • DarthHater

                    Read the label, man. I think it say: “Anthropopithecus troglodytus” :-D

                    • mjhurdle

                      sorry, that is one of my favorite lines from Young Frankenstein. Dont get a change to use it often, so when i saw the brain picture, i pounced!

            • Jono

              LOL. Literally.

        • Brains

          lol

      • jh03

        I just…. I just don’t have any idea how to process this.

    • mjhurdle

      already celebrating loudly here in STL.
      that is a risky gamble, because if the Cardinals win the series, my neighbors will make sure that i get it back twice what i give out tonight.
      Currently I have my stereo turned way up and am replaying the last out over…and over….and over….

    • chrisfchi

      This, is one thing we all can agree on!

    • Jono

      i am surely enjoying it. Tomorrow will be a.good day

    • wilbur

      It is a celebration, haven’t you ever been to a hurricane party?

  • Jono

    I just hope people realize the difference between using naughty words in a playful manner and insulting people as part of “winning” an argument. I know it’s fun to make fun of the guy who advocates for less of the latter, but that in no way means im against the former, you ignorant sluts

  • http://deepcenterfield.blogspot.com Jason Powers

    Some Criteria to be CONSIDERED a successful Field MGR:
    1) Games managed: 5,097 for LaRussa (2nd all time to Connie Mack)
    2) Playoff appearances: 14, 3rd (Joe Torre, Bobby Cox – all in the playoff system)
    3) WS Wins:3, tied 6th all time
    4) Pennants: 6, tied 6th all time
    5) Winning % over 1000 games managed: .536, 36th out of 129 with 1000 games, 6.5 seasons.

    LaRussa smartest decisions: follow Walt Jocketty and bring along Dave Duncan.
    This falls under People MGMT. Knowing who you work with and for decides much more than is realized. I am sure you can do the maps for all the successfully managed organizations and see the reoccurring connections and acolytes of a style of leadership or leader. People like ‘certain people’…will take 75% of a known over 100% of a seemingly super talented, but otherwise, unknown element.

    But it is not hard to understand why this is a difficult concept to see in Chicago. As leadership in the franchise since the early 1930s (when both Veeck Sr. and William Wrigley kicked) has been one long and perpetually frustrating joke.

    Find the chemistry, Cubs….it does exist. (God is in the details, folks.)

    • wilbur

      Find the Chemistry? are you talking about the Cardinals use of PEDs? I don’t think that is something to be emulated, even if Tony Larussa seemed to have it part of team culture.

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