Obsessive New Manager Watch: Dave Martinez Interview on Tap, and He’s Excited

dave martinez raysThe Cubs headed west to interview Rick Renteria yesterday, and soon they’ll entertain their next managerial candidate: Dave Martinez.

The former Cubs outfielder and current Rays bench coach has worked under Joe Maddon for the past six years, theoretically soaking in a bit of what makes Maddon so good. It is, of course, only theoretical, because we can’t know what is inside a man. But it’s a hell of a nice piece of the resume.

(To my mind, the history with the Chicago Cubs, however, is a relatively thin piece of the resume. Sure, it’s nice to have an attachment to the past, and there are some aspects of Chicago living/fandom that will remain relevant to him. But the idiosyncrasies – as Theo Epstein aptly put it – of the current Chicago Cubs climate bear little resemblance to those of the days gone by. We all know that fan attitudes and behaviors changed after 2003, but I’d argue they changed again after 2008, and again still in 2012. Vague hope became crystalized hope. That gave way to frustration, which simmered into venom. It’s an ugly time to be atop the Chicago Cubs ladder, and any manager coming in needs to know that, not what things were like in the days of the Lovable Losers.)

Setting that aside, Martinez – for what little we know – seems to be as reasonable of a candidate as any of the three who’ve interviewed before him (Manny Acta, A.J. Hinch, and Rick Renteria). He’s been a rumored managerial target in many a managerial search the past few years, and is expected to get a shot eventually.

An interview last year with FanGraphs is worth a read, and gives a little insight into what kind of manager Dave Martinez would be. There’s a lot to like in there (though I do hate that he didn’t immediately poop on sacrifice bunts), including this bit:

The same goes for taking an extra base. One of our mottos here is, “How many times can we be on third base with less than two out?” We want to get to third with less than two out. You have a better opportunity to score from third base.

We have guys that can hit the ball out of the ballpark, but we don’t sit around and wait for those guys. There are times where we have to, but we’re going to be more aggressive. Shelty [hitting coach Derek Shelton] works with these guys a lot, and we tend to want to put the ball in play and let things happen. Things happen when you put the ball into play.

Agreed, Mr. Martinez. Agreed.

For his part, Martinez is rather excited to get a managerial interview with the Cubs, he told the Tampa Bay Times.

“Every year that I have under my belt I’m a lot more confident and a lot more prepared for the challenges of being a manager,” Martinez told Marc Topkin. “I love the idea of being part of winning a championship in Chicago. I’m looking forward to the challenge.”

I expect we’ll hear more about Martinez and the other candidates – including any yet unnamed ones – soon after he interviews. That interview is expected to come this week.

Brett Taylor is the editor and lead writer at Bleacher Nation, and can also be found as Bleacher Nation on Twitter and on Facebook.

265 responses to “Obsessive New Manager Watch: Dave Martinez Interview on Tap, and He’s Excited”

  1. jh03

    I’ve been pretty laid back on who the Cubs should get, because frankly, I don’t think we have enough information to really judge who’s right for the job. Anyways – the idea of Martinez intrigues me. Maybe it’s purely the Joe Maddon influence, maybe it’s not. Okay – it probably is.

    1. Funn Dave

      I’m the same way, to a limited extent. But at the same time, it’s almost like scouting–we as fans know their backgrounds and resumes, but only the front office gets to do the interviews where they’ll learn the candidates’ thoughts and philosophies, which will inform their decision.

  2. Die hard

    Insanity is doing same thing over and over expecting different result– already tried coaches with no MLB mgr experience

    1. hansman

      Everytime someone gives the definition for insanity, it makes me want to club a baby seal.

      1. mjhurdle

        well, as long as you dont expect a different result every time you club that seal, then i would say you are NOT insane.

      2. jh03

        ::waiting for Darth’s gif of this::

        1. Cubbie Blues


          1. jh03

            You’re not Darth, so it doesn’t count.

            1. DarthHater

              You told me to stop trolling, so… :-(

              1. jh03

                Since when did that stop you?

                1. DarthHater

                  ::re-insert Captain Obvious meme here::

            2. Cubbie Blues

              But, he is even using a baseball bat and helmet.

              1. jh03

                Okay, okay. You’re right. You get credit for that one.

                UNLESS, that’s a picture of you….

                1. DarthHater


                  1. jh03

                    Are you a ghost? I don’t get it.

                2. Cubbie Blues

                  Na, I use a Machete.

                  1. jh03

                    You look like you want to do a lot more than just club that seal… I’m calling PETA on you.

        2. DarthHater


          1. MightyBear

            LOL I like this one.

      3. jt

        alas, a new definition for insanity

      4. Chad

        Is it insane to then repeatedly state the definition of insanity?

        1. DarthHater


        2. King Jeff

          Would it also be insane to repeat this definition when it is not really the definition of insanity?

          1. Cubbie Blues

            Well, it is Einstein’s definition.

            1. DarthHater

              Einstein also thought God didn’t play dice with the universe…

              1. Hee Seop Chode

                and Steven Hawkinds didn’t believe in God…

              2. cheryl

                I thought it was nine pinss and Mozart played dice with the universe.

            2. Pat

              No. That quote is not attributable to Einstein, even though people think it is.

          2. cubmig

            ……maybe the changing times and culture force a new definition…….we seem to be seeing that across the social spectrum. This Cubs’ org isn’t the past Cubs’ org, Cubs fan suffering is now “patience”,the Goat Curse is……is….well…. the Goat Curse. Sorry, somethings just seem immune to change. lol.

        3. D.G.Lang

          Only if you don’t expect anyone to reply.

      5. Cleanup Poster

        Every time someone clubs a baby seal, it makes me want to kick a midget.

    2. JB88

      You mean like replying to you and expecting that a logical discourse will follow?


    3. CubChymyst

      Already tired coaches with MLB experience too. So the only logical thing is creating an autonomous collective of players where each player takes turns to act as a sort of executive-officer-for-the-week. But all the decisions *of* that officer have to be ratified at a special meeting by a simple majority, in the case of purely internal affairs, but by a two-thirds majority, in the case of more major affairs.

      1. Diggs

        Yes, let’s just bring back the College of Coaches.

        1. CubChymyst

          No coaches, only the players and they take turn serving as a player coach.

          1. Edwin

            Bring in HAL 9000 as coach.

            1. DarthHater

              This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it, Dave.

          2. CubbieBubba

            We already tried Dusty Baker

            1. CubChymyst

              player coaches, so the player would have to part of the 25 man roster.

              1. CubbieBubba

                Now you’re splitting hairs. Either way players coach themselves.

          3. OCCubFan

            How about doing what Bill Veeck tried once with the St. Louis Browns? He gave placards to fans behind the home dugout so they could vote on various in-game managerial decisions. I beileve they won the game.

      2. cub1

        how about Arthur, King of the Britains?

        1. CubChymyst

          Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government! :)

          1. DarthHater

            You can’t expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you.

            1. fresno cub fan

              ^^ Both of these!!

            2. mjhurdle

              these could be the 3 best consecutive posts in the history of this site…

              1. DarthHater

                Make that four. No, five! Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!

                1. mjhurdle


                  1. DarthHater

                    The Spanish Inquisition sketch conclusively proves that if you wait long enough, you can joke about absolutely anything.

                    1. CubChymyst

                      You can also turn it into a musical number.

                  2. YourResidentJag


      3. Brains

        A good coach is crucial. How else could we explain Tampa’s success with young players?

        Also all of these fanboys who say coaches aren’t important clearly didn’t play little league, highschool, or college ball like the rest of us. They focus the team, give them their ethos, and help players develop their talents. It’s like saying teachers aren’t important, put kids back in the factories at age 11. Republican thinking.

        1. Drew7

          That makes sense – why else would teams give coaches like Maddon a 10-year, $250 mil contract?


          1. Brains

            Says the guy who can’t do a chin-up.

            1. Drew7

              Good rebuttal. If one doesn’t believe in all of the old-school, good ol’ boy baseball-isms, he is obviously a fat nerd who never picked up a baseball.

              And it’s a pull-up.

          2. mjhurdle

            great point Drew :)

        2. DarthHater

          “clearly didn’t play little league, highschool, or college ball like the rest of us.”

          Your “ball” career really isn’t too relevant here:

          1. Brains

            Only video game players who play as the owner, manager, player, minor leaguer, scout, and fan would think that the coach isn’t important in team sports.

            1. DarthHater

              I never suggested that coaches are not important. But whether they are or aren’t has nothing to do with the imaginary “ball” exploits of any internet pencildick posers.

          2. mjhurdle

            we should go easy on Brain.
            Im actually starting to come around on his way of thinking.
            The manager IS the most important part of a team. He controls EVERYTHING that happens.
            The only thing im confused about is why Leyland told Cabrera to strike out today in a 1 run game, a runner on third with only one out.
            But obviously it was his call, it isn’t like the player does anything like that himself.

            1. Brains

              You guys are a trip of almost entirely virtually experienced everything.

              Look guys, coaches are important. Games are meant to be watched, not mediated through a jumbotron. Hot dogs are better baseball food than seared tuna cranberry salads. Owners don’t get to hold their own city hostage for minor cosmetic initiatives. Wrigleyville is where the Cubs are from and it’s where they should stay. And baseball is a sport, not a statistical money pool to be read through statistics at espn.

              1. Brains

                One thing I love about this board, besides Brett’s up to the minute updates written in a clear and fair manner, is just how eccentric you guys really are. It’s your bizarre positions, supported by pseudo statistics, that keep me coming back to see how I can change your minds.

                mjhurdle is one step closer to thinking with Brains. Baseball is meant to be enjoyed, teams are meant to work hard and have great chemistry, and we’re supposed to pick favorite players and root for them to succeed. Not root for owners to save $5 on the down low.

                1. MichiganGoat

                  What about your unsupported fact that Ricketts is suing the city… you got supporting evidence on that claim or is that just you enjoying the game?

                  1. Brains

                    Dude you were the one who said that! Nice turning the tables.

                    1. MichiganGoat

                      Of course you say that you nitwit

                    2. mjhurdle

                      September 17, 2013 at 8:50 pm | Permalink | Reply
                      My understanding is they bought the team and are spending most of the money suing the city and paying themselves back for their self-loan. Hey, “me first” when you’re a billionaire. You don’t see too many rich people start as social workers.

                    3. mjhurdle
                    4. MichiganGoat

                      Thanks mjhurdle I was just about to search Brains statement that he continues to act like he never said.

                    5. Brainiac

                      i love you guys. B)

                    6. Drew7

                      Oh, well, um…

                      That’s the tough thing about trolling a site with us fat nerds that live in our parents’ basements: we know how to call you out when you make shit up.

                    7. DarthHater


                2. cub2014

                  brain, I am in a minority on this
                  sight I do believe that; chemistry,
                  hustle and good coaching go hand
                  in hand and little things do make a
                  difference between winning and

                  i just hate how you go about things,
                  your comment earlier explains a lot
                  about your attitude towards most on
                  this site.

                  1. mjhurdle

                    as a point of clarification, im pretty sure no one that i have read on here thinks that coaching and “little things” mean nothing.
                    The main dispute is into how much of an impact they have.
                    Does the manager affect 5 games a year? 10? 40?
                    that is the disagreement, at least from my understanding. not that managers are pointless.

                    1. Cyranojoe


                  2. Brains

                    i just emulate the tone of the discussion. it’s a protean process.

                3. Jason P

                  You don’t have an opinion. Your opinion changes daily to oppose whatever’s being popularly supported. It’s rarely fact-supported or logical, instead usually bookmarked with BS vague generalities.

                  1. MichiganGoat

                    That’s the game he’s trying to play but failing at it miserably, I think he wants to be like die hard but that is impossible.

                    1. DarthHater

                      Die hard is actually an infinite number of monkeys endlessly typing away in non-Euclidean n-space.

                  2. Brainiac

                    this gets it exactly right. except i don’t follow conversations, i follow tone, and make basic points about the assumptions that inform bloggers’ conclusions in advance. most of the statistical use here is to prove a point they think is already settled. it’s a rational application of an assumption instead of analysis. so stats can be used for a lot of crazy claims, most of which have nothing to do with day to day baseball operations. and we can argue about random stats forever, so why go through all of that trouble? someone just always answers with a slightly divergent stat and calls it a refutation.

                    1. MichiganGoat

                      And the fact that you ignore what you previously stated here http://www.bleachernation.com/2013/09/17/pre-gamin-cubs-v-brewers-710-ct-lineups-broadcast-info-etc-7/ what is that about?

                    2. Brainiac

                      the more interesting conversations here take place when assumptions themselves come into conflict with other assumptions:

                      the rights of owners vs the rights of fans

                      investing in the team or treating the team as a profit source

                      if the cubs are a public resource or a private commodity

                      if we should support players in the lineup or use them as permanent trade fodder so they never have stability of morale

                      if coaches are important to teams or if teams are just neutral stat machines that produce no matter what happens in a players’ life

                      very good stuff, guys.

                    3. MichiganGoat

                      So you made the law suit up to…

                    4. Brainiac

                      goat, how about you look at everything i said on that page, instead of the one flip remark that i made after about 6 long posts. there’s your final answer. i stand by all of my positions there.

                      also, i love that you guys are willing to sift through a month of responses to find that one liner. amazing, really.

                    5. MichiganGoat

                      The amazing part is that you state that Ricketts is suing the city, then deflect anytime you were asked to prove such an erroneous claim, and now you are upset. Whatever bro this is finally done.

                    6. Brains

                      whatever man, you’re the one who said they were suing the city, like 12 times. you said it so many times that people think it’s true now. in your soul, it’s true.

                    7. Brains

                      ok that was good, let’s hug it out and then pick this up tomorrow again.

              2. mjhurdle

                seared tuna salads are the bees knees.
                never thought they would be any good until my wife made me try one.

                1. Brains

                  great at home, bizarre at a trough.

    4. Joe

      So you would rather go back to hiring big name Managers (Dusty, Lou) like they had done the previous 100 years? What was your definition of insanity again?

      1. Hee Seop Chode

        What’s so insane about wanting to going to the playoffs (03,07,08)?

        1. Joe

          The patchwork teams failed, over and over again.

          1. YourResidentJag

            The 2003 team wasn’t patchwork.

      2. Like you wouldn't let Ryno T-bag yer chin!?

        I would.. In a casual manner, if I got a pic to prove I met the man! But then peeps be like.. That doesn’t prove anything, other than, that you let a man rest his bag on yer chin.. Uuuuhh..

        Homosexual, unfunny, immaturity aside.. Did Ryno sign a multi yr. dilly w/ the team from philly? If he’s only signed thru ’14 and if (when, rather) the Cubbies tank again this upcoming season… Just pick a place holder already! And go hard after bringing RYNE SANDBERG back home! I’m sure Jhedeot could spin, how the decision to pass him up last time, was to spare him all the shame, the kind only deserved by a svuem, which inevitebly came with the job. Plus, they knew Ryno wouldn’t brew up bromances with the likes of Joe Mather and wouldn’t have continued relentlessly starting him in the OF or 3rd base, and batting lead off for much too large a chunk of the season! Hell! Ryno may of actually helped (yes Bryan, the all star) Lahair pull out of his funk and start producing rather than not allowing him the chance to re-gain any form of confidence from his new PH/Left out role… Lets face it… No Svuem = No bryant, or top 3 pick.

        I could just hear it! ‘Svuem’- Hey LaHair, u feeling more comfy with playing RF? ‘LaHair’- yes sir! I’ve been busting my ass to make adjustments at the plate too!, it’s getting tough to show you I can turn this thing back around however, with just 2-3 AB’s per week. ‘Svuem’- Ha! You’re LO again but you shoulda seen how excited you just looked! Here’s some sushi [hint hint!] for ya tho! Mather take ur .201 avg and sexy locks to CF and ur leadin’ off, Dejesus to RF! Haha! Ah LaHair, you crack me up kid.. it would be too hard on Dejesus to move to CF, just to give you a chance, to get back to being a semi-beast, as a RF’er and maybe cause another Mlb team to offer you a job next year, stateside… Besides, Mather would be upset, which would cause for a very uncomfortable clubhouse atmosphere. Any-whooo.. How’s that shrimp tempura?? Now repeat after me.. Kin-eee-chi-wah! Ooooh boy you look pissed! Ok, grab a bat, time for you to PH!

        ’2 headed diabolical genius’-
        So you see, Mr. Sandberg, when looking to our sabre metrics.. flail shame was the clear cut choice, to bring us, back to back, top 5 protected draft picks, whilst having quality starting pitching including and in addition to all the flippable assets on his rosters both years! I was just waiting for MLB to launch it’s first ever investigation into.. Cheating, by losing on purpose to get high, protected draft picks, as well making sure, to be sellers come July. But word leaked on just how untalented the tame flame was at managing, as many experts thought we had to persuade him to lose on purpose but no.. We have too much integrity to ask a skipper to lose games, so we picked one that would do it without being asked! We are very pleased with how, our plan unfolded however, and with how fast we were able to right the entire ship, and construct a, may I say… Filthy fuckin farm system! The 2 yr. atrocity, aka- svuems tame claim to blame flame lacking shame game.. Sped up the process immensely, but nearly cost, Rizzo (a star, fa shizzo)and Castro, (her I.D., I asked yo!) felony assault charges, for trying to get them to suck at hitting. Jealousy of their bright futures, God given talent, more $$ by age 23 than him in his lifetime and rightful swag, is what sparked his flame of envy and nearly earned his ruffing up of.. But, it was a calculated risk and we would’ve got them all world defense attorneys, (and thrown Dale under the bus, thus letting him flail) but it was avoided, the nay-sayers stopped doubting their abilities, also stopped complaining about the incredibly, team friendly, contracts they’re receiving and they’re back to their upward trend, just waiting for someone who’s acheived greatness himself, whom they can trust to lead them to their pinnacles and who also “aint hatin”.

        Ryno, the machine has been assembled and precisely oiled, ready to acheive and sustain success. We knew that ferry weasel would perform worse than, should of been expected. Even when factoring in the possibility of a near even run differential going into July ’13, we were confident, that his lack of nearly everything positive would not allow a W/L record, that may threaten to prevent a sell off come trade time, nope, Djoehte Ehstreyonip is just, that fuckin genius in sabre-everything! Oh btw, the Ricketts haven’t been stingy the last 3 yrs, along with stockpiling assetts.. we’ve just been stackin chips! We’ve stayed under budget by 80 mil. each year and have sandbagged the difference to spend offseason ’15 and we’re finally here! As a welcome back gift, we’d like you to pick the first FA for us to pursue, Ryno… Fantastic and correct! I was gonna have to say.. If you didn’t say Cueto, maybe we should call and see if Grace can commit to laying off the booze long enuf to bring these poor fans a title! Just kidding Ryno! This is just silliness but Ricketts said offer ya 10 years/75 mil..
        Welcome back! Now lets get this dynasty started! No pressure but anything less than multiple W.S. wins, I would have to declare, weak-sauce. I mean,with this roster and robust pipeline of prospects, with the newly added benefit of an insane, increase in payroll, thanks to the (finally!) new revenue streams producing. By your 3rd yr at the helm, I’ll commit to have your starting 5 consist of all aces, just for fun.

        Please send The tame flame flail shame a lil note.. E.g.- thank you for being my stepping stone as I embark upon an unimaginable future, full of triumph, success and glory enroute to breaking the curse of the goat, as well as watching the players rid themselves of svuem-shame. Watch, while being consumed by envy, you hater, as I claim #1 icon status (sorry MJ, 23 was mine first tho.. and I never got why Opera is so famous anyway).
        P.S. thank you for Kris Bryant.. If your flame wasn’t so weak and tame, no way Cubs get 3rd pick there.. Again Thank you.

        1. MichiganGoat

          Speechless… that was… yeah.

          1. Sveum claim- no shame in game, he tame the flame

            Not that I owe Cub fans anything, but I was at my wits end, pulling my nose hairs out from frustration. Marmol alone, I’m sure, shaved a good year off my life. Early 2012 and the blown saves of well played, and hard fought games we just should have won, as in it felt like destiny! Up by 3, bottom 9th, c’mon Carlos! Use the fastball to set up that dirty sanch.. I mean slider, but above all just no walkie!…

            15 pitches later, bases loaded, 0 outs… Now what!? Then I remembered how sweet ass Lou, would always just leave him out there and just give him the stink eye! Sure as shiznit, he’d strike out the side for a dramatic finish to a suspenseful 9th for the save, and this sort of scenario was pretty common then too. I just couldn’t get lucky like Lou and I second guessed myself every time. I fought too many rounds with the blues, as in sadness not umpires, I hadn’t the fortitude to withstand a Joe West verbal assault, cause he (like you hateful cub fans) was a real meanie head.. Plus I hated myself :(

            I tell ya, after 24 players and all the coaches were always too busy to join me for a beer or 8, after a heartbreaker, there was always one guy I could count on to join me in my misery.. Yep, Joe Mather! Yeah… so what if I envied those flowing locks and straight as I could, combed my fingers thru for good luck, never more than once a day, and usually after the game, always after a Marmol debauch. He didn’t care, so long as I bat him lead off and let him pick his position in the field for the day. If he got on base that day, I remember vividly.. He’d hop into my pickup truck to join me and my attempt at drinking my suicidal thoughts either away or to fruition.. and maybe it was a superstition, I was too nervous to ask, but it never failed.. Hmmmmm.. Yep, I’m near certain he treated his mop to conditioner for reaching base.. And I woulda bet a weekend get-away, it was pantene pro-v too! Such a soothing scent, had to lead him off so he’d have ample opportunities to get aboard.. He knew what he was doing!

            So next time.. Get the whole story before you label a Sveum as lame or saying such a shame, same no name leading off every dang game, is his claim to fame, trying to remain sain thru all the pain, all while trying to suppress or at least tame and hide how Joe M.’s locks and bangs ignites his in-extinguishable innermost flame!!??

            2013 had nothing for me, I tried to brew somethin up with B Lillibridge, called him Lill’s.. But Theo blindsided me, DFA’d him, he said keeping a guy that’s 1 for 41 in the bigs makes him and jed look bad.. They didn’t give a darn about my emotions.. That’s when My flame was worse than tame.. It was out, the fire was gone and my new focus was to sabatoge Rizz and Cassie for being young and cool with all that talent and too much cash! On my free time I tried to scrub my brain, forget what pantene pro-v smelled like, and was out to remind myself I’m not a switch hitter! I finally did somethin right 8~} why the smiling sveum? bcuz I have an all Female rotation of prostitutes in the celly, and I learned I can get off cheap by bringing them heroin and/or crack when they’re in withdrawal.. So I just keep a stash on hand and wait til they’re desperate and begging, then what’s typically $200 can be purchased for $20ish worth of their choice, and I’ve developed what I’d consider friendships, with a couple real nice pimps too.. It’s a hoot how they get a kick out of makin them ho’s all jumpy just by showing the back of hands too! Haha!

            P.S. one last word about Mather tho-
            He’s not a no name, he’s a heck of a ballplayer, very versatile!

        2. Cubbie Blues


    5. Cyranojoe

      No, Die hard is right. Let’s get guys with experience. I hear Lou Piniella isn’t managing right now. Oh, and Dusty Baker is free! You know, since we haven’t gone down the road of “experienced managers will save us” route before.


      1. Cyranojoe

        More the fool I for responding to this ignominious troll.

        1. Brains

          just for the record i think die hard makes this site about 20% more fun. he’s so good at getting a rise out of you guys.

          1. Cyranojoe

            Thanks for the reminder. “Don’t feed the pathetic trolls.”

    6. frank

      Have we tried managers from the Japanese league? What about experience managing in another sport? Never tried that before–Cricket, anyone?

      1. Hee Seop Chode

        A Japanese manager could be a cool CFL sort of hire; but I don’t know if any speak Spanish.

        1. MightyBear

          I would love a Japanese manager. If a player does something really stupid, the manager comes out and punches him in the face.

    7. CubsFaninMS

      Susan Powter agrees. Shawn T disagrees.

    8. Jono

      That’s not the definition of insanity. If it was, than persistance would be insance.

      1. Jono

        THEN*, damn it

      2. Jono

        INSANE*, double damn it

      3. Jono

        PERSISTENCE*. My God….

        1. The Logos

          I liked it the first time.

    9. Funn Dave

      Wow. Good thing we don’t live in a binary world where the only defining characteristic a manager could have is whether or not he has managerial experience.

    10. ClevelandCubsFan

      You’re right Die Hard. We’ve tried experienced managers and we’ve tried coaches. everything has failed. Thus we need a new strategy. Player-manager. It will save on payroll. Someone everyone loves. for their heart. Preferably someone bilingual. I’ve got it. Clealy the answer is Junior Lake.

  3. D-Rock

    Yes, please.

  4. Jon

    Martinzez contridicts himself a bit in that FanGraphs interview

    DL; Does he expect you to disagree with him?

    DM: Absolutely. When I first got this job, I sat with Joe and Andrew [Friedman]. When they said they wanted me to be the bench coach, I looked at them and said, “If you’re looking for a guy to just sit there and say ‘yes, yes, yes,’ don’t hire me. I’m not that guy.

    DL: Do you and Maddon differ on anything philosophically?

    DM: I’d have to say no.

    So he admits he disagrees with Maddon on things, but in the next question says there is not a single thing he disagrees with(Maddon) in terms of philosophy. If this wasn’t a FG interview, but an actual job interview and I’m running it, I immediately call this out.

    1. CubChymyst

      He doesn’t contradict himself. You can agree on things philosophically but have different points of views still.

    2. Edwin

      Two coaches can have the same philosphy, but disagree on individual moves, or even parts of the philosophy.

      Also, what DM was expressing was that he’s not just going to agree with everything Madden says, just because Madden says it.

      DM goes on to say:

      “If we disagree on something, it’s usually more about feel. When that happens, my first question is always, “Why?” I ask because I want to learn. He’s been an unbelievable teacher, so when he goes against something I think we would normally do, I want to know why.”

      I think DM does a good job of explaining what he meant in both questions.

      1. Jon

        His first statement of “I’d have to say no”(Do you and Maddon differ on anything philosophically?) comes off to me as a bit weak, and makes me believe his first statement above was a bit ‘canned’

        Kind of like in a standard job interview, where you might ask a candidate to expound on a technology the have used or a project they led and they come back with a ‘short answer’

        Surely if you previously stated that you are not a ‘yes’ man, then, in the day to day operations of a major league operation, games, practices, etc…there has to be something minor, either philosophy or part of a a philosophical plan that you do indeed disagree with.

        Just playing devils advocate, but Dave Martinez has been a “hot” candidate for a few years now, and still hasn’t landed a job, maybe this is where he falls apart in an interview?

        1. Andrew

          You have to realize that he is joe maddons subordinate, so itd be pretty unprofessional for him to just talk about every little thing he disagrees with Maddon on in public. If this were a job interview I’d expect better than these types of answers, but as a public interview, this is pretty much exactly what I’d expect to see.

          I think it’s easy to agree with someone philosophically and disagree with them regarding those same philosophies for example:

          JM and DM both agree that the most important thing to an offense is to get more runners on base instead of doing things like bunting or otherwise giving up outs to advance runners. To DM, this means that Player X should pinch hit for Player Y, whereas JM thinks Player X should bat. The reason for each of their decisions could have nothing to do with philosophy. It could simply be that one of them has more information about the pitcher and batters in play.

    3. JM

      Philosophically, we all want a better country, but we may disagree on what that means or how to get there.

      1. Jon

        Translate that to baseball…

        “Philosophically, we all want a great baseball team, but we may disagree on what that means or how to get there.”

        I’m sure both Joe Maddon and Dusty Baker want a great baseball team, but of course they are going to disagree on the means to get there.

        The “means” is part of the philosophy of a baseball team and it’s key to ask a candidate to expound upon that.

        1. Edwin

          The Fangraphs interview was not a job interview, though. Martinez can only answer the questions he is asked. I think it’s reasonable to assume that if it had been a job interview, Martinez would have been more prepared, and would have given a more complete answer.

        2. LWeb23

          I’m fine with many different sorts of baseball philosophies to build a championship team. The most important thing is having a manager that has a philosophy, is completely devoted to it, and is parallel with the given front office. Consistency from top to bottom in the organization is key.

    4. DocPeterWimsey

      There is a difference between strategy and tactics. My guess is that by “philosophically,” Martinez means that he agrees with Maddon on the general strategies. That does not mean that the two agree on specific tactics.

      In some cases, it could be that Maddon thinks that Strategy as calling for Tactic A whereas Martinez thinks that it calls for Tactic B. The smart person asks: “why are we reaching different conclusions?”

  5. MightyBear

    It’s the Maddon influence.

  6. ssckelley

    Ok, what have I been googling to get Cougarlife.com ads?

    1. Idaho Razorback

      I love me some cougar! I’m gonna pull the trigger and ask one out tonite. She’s in her mid 60′s and I’ll be 40 on November 1.

      1. Chad


      2. Frank

        Get her to buy you some KFC on the way home. Tell her you need your protein.

    2. CubsFaninMS

      Don’t worry, when the NSA purchases Google and creates their Internet Marketing Department, it will be much more accurate.

    3. chrisfchi

      KC cougars?

      1. MightyBear

        Finger licking good! Oh sorry, I thought you said KFC Cougars.

        1. chrisfchi

          great now my stomach is growling….

  7. The Logos

    What I got from that interview was not that he likes sacrifice bunts and stealing, it’s that the Rays are constantly looking for ways to make up for a lack of top-tier talent. We all know the company line on giving away outs, but it seems that sometimes taking a high-variance approach can look a lot more like taking advantage of an inefficiency.

    So, I kind of like what he had to say. I guess I would probably still put Hinch at the top of my list, but Martinez does not seem like a bad choice.

    Yes? No? Maybe? Circle one.

  8. JM

    I would argue that Martinez being a former Cub is actually a strike against him. The new “Cubs Way” seems to keep away from anything reminiscent of the old way.

  9. Troy. michels

    Instead of new coaches with same bad results, maybe the cubs need to look how they scout and draft players. Some teams seem to always get the best. What top player really wants to play at a field that’s older than any living cubs fan! Step 1- A new park

    1. Professor Snarks

      I’m with you. Why do I think the Cubs will NEVER win a World Series in Wrigley?

    2. macpete22

      Bryce Harper

    3. CubsFaninMS

      What golfer wants to play at St. Andrews Golf Course? What tennis player wants to play on the clay courts of the Old England Club?

      1. Edwin

        You mean grass courts? Wimbledon is grass. Roland Garros is clay.

    4. CubChymyst

      Isn’t changing the way the scout and draft players what they have been doing for the past 2 years? Not sure what that part has to do with Wrigley, because once drafted the player doesn’t have much of a choice.

    5. DocPeterWimsey

      Heresy! We all know that it’s that other teams take the same or even inferior lumps of clay as the Cubs and then sculpt them into the studs that they are while the Cubs always blow it at one key moment. After all, clay is clay, right?

    6. XavierGunz

      Him being an apprentice or what ever of Joe Maddon is def a impressive section of his resume but I just think he is a few years away from being a major league coach. For one I think he may be a lil too young. Not that age has anything to do with it but i think it does. With age comes experience and with more experience that job that will someday present itself to Martinez. Working under Joe Maddon he will someday be a good coach but I dont think this year is his year. But I do like the sacrafice bunt aspect of baseball if thats what hes referring to. Ive always though that the cubs need to be more scrappy. More spontaneous, I have yet to witness a Cub team with that way of playing. Although I did enjoy Junior Lakes bunt for hits.

      1. Sveum claim- no shame in game, he tame the flame

        Do you think he might be ready to manage a ML team rather than be a coach?

    7. Noah_I

      I can’t think of a single free agent the Cubs have gone after who they didn’t get because of Wrigley Field. The only reason they didn’t get a player is because someone else offered him more money.

      1. LWeb23

        How could one know that though? If a player was offered 5/70 by the Cubs and 5/75 by another team, it could have been really close. If the Cubs do have facilities on par with the other team, the player could choose the Cubs on the $1 million a year discount…

  10. papad1945

    I like Martinez. Maybe he would make McKay his bench coach and find a good hitting coach.

  11. Atl Cubbie

    Question? Why was Martinez traded straight up for Mitch Webster in the middle of the year. Same type player. Lefty Bat with speed, both played CF. The rumor is DM and Sandberg didnt get along for some reason Hmmmm. What could that be all about? IM just Saying.

    1. TWC

      That rumor has been making an appearance numerous times a day ever since Martinez was suggested as a Sveum replacement (and has been discussed for *years*), but thanks for being so subtle about letting us in on your little secret, kid. ::rolls eyes::

    2. hansman

      This has what to do with the Cubs current managerial search?

      1. Funn Dave

        You’ve never seen an off-topic post on BN before?

        1. hansman

          I only get upset if they don’t reference hamburgers.

    3. On The Farm

      Considering Sandberg manages for the Phillies and is not apart of the Cubs organization, I guess the only relevance your post contains is that Martinez will not be taking a position in Philadelphia. This is good news because the Cubs are considering hiring him as their manager. IM just Saying.

    4. Blackhawks1963

      Davey Martinez screwed Cindy Sandberg. Sandberg was rightfully upset and Martinez was all of a sudden traded to Montreal for the equivalent of a used infield rake (i.e., Mitch Webster). This ins’t folklore…this is the truth. Cindy was diddling Martinez, Raffy Palmiero and former Phoenix Sun power forward Dan Majerle at the time of the “reports.”

      1. Eric

        I’ve seen this story posted over and over yet no one can provide any proof.

        1. Blackhawks1963

          I lived it. Was an avid Cub fan then and a regular at Wrigley. It is 100% true. Sandberg retired abruptly from the game in a desperate attempt to save his marriage, but it didn’t work in the end.

          Something tells me Tom Ricketts will step in and tell Theo no fucking way you hire Davey Martinez on my watch. This is one of those very rare ocassions Theo when I am going to overrule your baseball decisions. If I’m Ryne Sandberg and I was passed over twice by the Cubs to be manager, then they go out and hire Davey Martinez? Well then I asked the Cubs to unretire my number.

          1. jh03

            TR: Theo, I’m sorry, but I can’t let you hire Dave.

            TE: Why?

            TR: Well, rummor has it that Ryno’s wife liked to sleep around. And, well, apparently she slept with Dave.

            TE: Do you have any proof of this?

            TR: No, but I lived it!

            TE: Oh, okay then. We’ll just not make the best possible move for our franchise so the head coach in Philly doesn’t get his feelings hurt. No problem.

            1. mjhurdle

              totally agree.
              Who cares about the future of the team, all that matters is not pissing off another team’s manager. :)

          2. Jason Powers

            Sandberg remarried. Its been 20 years. Sandberg is an MLB Manager with his org. Team and his first double play partner Bowa is his bench coach . Cindy gas no bearing AT all on the process. Lets be clear no bearing..if ricketts told me that id walk if i was theo.

          3. Jon

            You are talking completely out of your ass now.

          4. Brains

            Damn, Sandberg cock blocked again by Dave Martinez!

  12. DarthHater

    “IM just An Idiot.”


  13. JoyceDaddy

    Ron Wotus?

    1. Eric

      Nice try, Ron Wotus.

  14. itzscott

    So I guess Martinez is our Girardi-Lite.

    More importantly to me in regards to both Renteria and Martinez is do either of these guys assume the manager’s position on their current teams when their manager gets tossed out of a game or is it some other coach on those teams?

  15. On The Farm

    Off topic from the managerial search, but I believe today’s AFL action gets under way at 3:35 ET, 2:35 CT and Almora is playing CF and leading off, Soler is DH-ing and in the 5 spot. No Bryant today ( :( ).

    It looks like they will be facing Braves pitching prospect who had a 3.42 ERA, 3.52 FIP in AA.

    1. On The Farm

      In more AFL news, both Almora and Soler started 0-1. Almora drew a walk in 3rd. Real positive to see Almora drawing walks this fall.

      1. ssckelley

        They just put up a 3 spot on him against a good pitching prospect. MLB has him rated as a top 10 prospect in the Braves organization.

        1. On The Farm

          He may be pretty good, but today he is beating himself. I think he has given up three BBs this inning.

          1. ssckelley

            Almora knocked in a couple with a double. Darwin Barney v2!!!!!

            1. hansman

              If Almora were going to be a superstar he would have hit a HR.


    2. On The Farm



    You are correct the Cubs are no longer the lovable losers , they are just losers .The past three years the Cubs have been horrible to produce stacked draft choices . Sandbagging is the Cubs Way. it is the new identity of the Cubs – lose now and promise to produce later…….

    1. itzscott

      Thanks for sharing

      Don’t know about the rest of the readers, but I’m definitely printing that one out and it goes on my refrigerator door with my Cub magnet so I’m sure to remember it all .

      1. Cyranojoe

        LOL. I had forgotten about this guy!

        Am I the only one who notices the dramatic increase in trolls and irrational thinkers this post-season over the last one? I don’t know what they’re doing on this site — Brett provides such reasonable, rational analysis, it’s the absolute opposite of what these dregs seem to believe/desire/understand. Ah, the eternal mystery…

        1. JB88

          It’s the byproduct of “fame”. The more people know about your website, the more likely you are to dredge the bottom of a few barrels amongst your readership. Pretty much every sports website/blog I read has posters like this.

  17. Brent

    When I started rooting for the Cubs at age 5, Martinez was my favorite player (probably because I played CF in T-Ball). I’m all for Dave as the new manager, although admittedly only for sentimental reasons.

    1. BWA

      Thats ok, he’s my favorite for the job as well, and I literally have no reason except that he coaches the rays

  18. Steve Ontiveros' Mustache


  19. Steve Ontiveros' Mustache


  20. Internet Random

    “[B]ecause we can’t know what is inside a man.”

    … that’s what scalpels are for. Or magnetic resonance imaging, if you prefer a less invasive approach.

  21. cubs2003

    In my mind, it’s way easier to evaluate players and front offices from the outside looking in than it is managers and coaches. There’s just way clearer data when looking at the former. I can’t say I have a strong opinion here. Martinez would be my guy solely based on the Maddon connection, but I don’t have much to back that up. Maddon is the best manager in baseball as far as I’m concerned and if he’s chosen to keep him around this long that at least means something to me.

  22. macpete22

    Off topic but I think the Cubs at least try to trade Barney this off season. I’m not sure we’d get much of anything for him though

    1. Jason Powers

      I am 100% with that. I suggest Tampa. They seem to get more from our dregs than we do.

      1. YourResidentJag

        Yep, I was just thinking the same thing.

        1. Jason Powers

          +1…Crazy runs deep!

          1. YourResidentJag

            Well, Joe “MAD”don is referred to at times as the “Mad Scientist” soooo……

    2. mjhurdle

      i think they want to trade him, but i think they wait until next season
      1) hoping that his bat rebounds at least a little from last year
      2) bridge the gap a little to some of the middle infielders coming up through the system
      3) (not that they are hoping for it but) someone might get injured and make Barney more valuable.
      Thats just i how see it, but could be way off.

      1. Jason Powers

        Nah. Not way off at all.

        If anything, the FO is looking for a “value” deal. Barney’s value is defense…if he could somehow muster a .250/.300/.375 line (yeah, that’s sad), and someone wants him, they could do it.

        Barney likely goes with a prospect like Vogelbach and/or a reliever…to secure something we need.

        Mid 2014, here’s hoping a bunch of injuries hit at 2B!

        1. YourResidentJag

          I’d trade him with a lesser prospect for a LH reliever.

          1. Jason Powers

            Tampa has financials to look at with Price at around 13-14M. Likely traded. If not, they will dump others – Ben Zobrist is attractive at 7.5M. Since they have a slew of FA (2nd link) and ARB eligibles to work through.


            Vogelbach could be a piece down the road for them…They could use Barney with their defensive focus….send them a RH reliever, and acquire Zobrist. JMO.

            We can afford someone at 7.5M. Need someone that can hit, lead, and play 4-5 positions…

            Tampa, on the other hand, probably can’t. But they’ll want the farm – probably a top pitching prospect, which I would never do.

            1. mjhurdle

              i would love to see Zobrist in a Cubs uniform.
              not sure that there is a way to get him out of Tampa without overpaying, but i would like to see them try.

              1. Jason Powers

                If I was Tampa, and no one will pay the high PRICE for Price, then you sit on him for 1 more year, show he’s healthy, then deal him in his last year. Still will get a ton for him…

                To cost justify it, you have to think Zobrist can be moved – 14.5M remaining on him is what Price is at in 2014 ARB. ( Tampa’s attendance went down 50K – that’s at least 2-3M in revenues lost in 2013. had only 64K in attendance in playoffs.)

                Zobrist value is high – so as the Cubs, I’d start low – see where Andrew Friedman is at….meet somewhere rationally I could justify.

                Deal breakers; no trade of Baez, Alcantara, Edwards, Bryant, Almora or possibly, Soler. (Soler I am less sold on.)

                They must take Barney.

                So, likely, no deal.

  23. jmc

    for the love of God put some major league baseball players in Wrigley Fieldso we can stop talking about Daytona etcetera

  24. On The Farm

    Power goes out in Detroit, very Super Bowl-esce

    1. Edwin

      In that the power went out during a sporting event?

  25. Blackhawks1963

    For what’s its worth, I was listening to Sirius radio earlier in the day and Peter Gammons was quoted to say that he will be surprised if the job doesn’t go to either Rick Renteria or Torey Lovullo. And yes, he believes the Cubs will want to interview Lovullo once Boston ends its 2013 playoff run.

    Interesting. Gammons is too often wrong on things, plus he is a Boston homer. So maybe he is promoting Lovullo absent of facts? I have no clue.

  26. Die hard

    It is as obvious as the wart on Darths butt– Theo et al want a mgr with little or no experience so they can control him which is why Sveum asked out cause he was fed up with the micromanaging control freaks 👻👻👻👻👻

  27. Scotti

    I’m a fan of Martinez. Being a left-handed hitter who hit the other way, nearly exclusively, one season I patterned my swing after his in order to pull the ball more. You would never think that one could hit the ball so high to the second baseman.

    That said the interview sheds little light on what I would want to see in the next Cub manager. Unlike Brett I’m fine with the sac bunts–they’re a crucial element of the game (even 2nd to 3rd bunts when you need one run). I wouldn’t hire any manager who poo-pooed sac bunts. But what I didn’t see from the (magazine) interview was Dave Martinez leading (having opinions isn’t leading), or asking for information (the FO sends them information but he said nothing of asking them to provide anything specific). Timing the runners, catchers and pitchers is something that every team has someone do. It’s thoroughly possible that Martinez DOES these things but that it didn’t come through in the interview.

    What I DID like is that Martinez seems to understand that you always need to keep an offense in motion even if you give away the occasional out. That keeps the SKILL of bunting, hitting behind the runner, base stealing, etc. fresh for when you need it and it also keeps other thoughts in the players’ heads (keeping the ACT of the using the skill from becoming an anxious, skill-killing moment).

    1. Blackhawks1963

      Of course, you should realize that the Theo Epstein / Billy Beane philosophy of baseball is against bunting in almost all cases. They have made the statistical argument to support their philosophy. I don’t fall on one side of the argument or the other, but I think some of you need to understand the overarching strategy or the new “Cub way” before you praise or rip a manager’s decision making, be it Dale Sveum or whoever the new guy will be.

      1. Scotti

        “Of course, you should realize that the Theo Epstein / Billy Beane philosophy of baseball is against bunting in almost all cases. ”

        Of course you should realize this is demonstrably not true. Boston’s Shane Victorino? 3rd in SAC. Oakland’s Eric Sogard? 13th in only 410 PA. Last year Posednik (BOS) and Weeks (OAK) were 5th and 3rd respectively.

        1. Jason Powers

          Making use of a skill set…options, and being different from all the philosophical mislabels. Never be too predictable. And use your talents (whatever they are) to get to the goal: win games and win championships.
          (And if your Ricketts, make a buck, or $30 million.)

        2. mjhurdle

          Oakland was second to last in baseball with 21 sacrifice bunts this year.
          Boston only had 24.
          League average was 46, and the max was 85.
          Cubs came in just under league average at 43.
          I would say that indicates that, for whatever reason, Oakland and Boston use the sacrifice bunt less than other teams.

          But i wonder if teams use the sacrifice bunt less more as an organizational philosophy, or a lack in trust in the ability for an average hitter to get a bunt down?
          That might expalin why teams that dont sacrifice much as a whole have individual players that sacrifice more.
          If i was a manager and had a batter that was a poor bunter that, even if he got it down, would merely accomplish advancing the runner, im not so sure i sacrifice. but if i had a Victorino that you were almost 100% sure would advance the runner, and also a 1 in 4 chance of putting a good enough bunt for a hit, it might make it worth it.
          i haven’t research it at all, mostly just a question to see what others thougt.

          1. Jason Powers

            Average hitter. Look at the K rates. These guys grow up with HR fever. Bunting, even the sacrifices, are a slowing dying art form.

            A convo had months ago had was about that ability – mainly for getting on base. (Brett Butler was a key one from my memory.)

            It’s a tool. Not applauding it, but not gonna condemn it forever either.

          2. Scotti

            They bunt “less” but they are not, as the OP stated, “against bunting in almost all cases.”

            The question of whether an org may choose to bunt less because they don’t have the personnel to bunt is an interesting one. It becomes, in the end, a self-fulfilling prophesy as bunting is more skill than talent and, the less you put it into practice in game situation, the less skilled you become. It isn’t just enough to bunt BP fast balls.

      2. Mike F

        Good we are getting to it. And this is exactly why I remain convinced Barney and Castro aren’t a good fit. They don’t fit the cub way of handling the bat sound fundamentals. It is exactly why I continue to believe Theo is more responsible for the attempt to rework Castro than Sveum. Further, both have talent and fit somewhere, just not here. And remember, These are Hendry and his scouts choice and development. So it is now in Theo’s court to find people in trade that fit what he looks for and send Castro where he can fit and succeed.

        As to bunting, I think its a fundamental thing that occurs in situational baseball. You don’t bunt to bunt, unless your exceptionally fast and accomplished at, but it has it’s time or place. I think the essence is are there people who are described as core that don’t fit the Cub’s Way and there is little doubt in my mind Castro doesn’t. Rizzo I think it’s easier to give the benefit of the doubt as he only has two years in and Theo had a lot of information on, but when you have to rebuild guy like Castro, it’s not wise.

        And this all relates to the manager in this sense. The primary focus has to be on winning. Secondarily I have no issue with teaching the Cub’s way to Baez, Almora, Soler and Bryant, but if the focus is to fix a guy like Casto who obviously has resisted being fixed to the Cub’s way it is stupid. Rizzo is a lot tougher question, but I see the value of giving him more time.

    2. cubs2003

      I think sac bunts have their place, especially for an offensively challenged team. Something I’ve been meaning to look up is the difference between “small ball” tactics and their correlation with win percentage and win expectancy between the steroid era and the modern era. Intuitively, it seems they would become much more important overall in the modern game. I’m sure people much smarter than myself have done this analysis. I should probably see what I can find tonight. It’s an interesting topic to me, anyway.

      1. Jason Powers

        The philosophy of “never bunting” is not a completely sound one.

        In baseball, as in life, you should have as many OPTIONS available to you as possible. Such SKILLS, such as bunting, should not be lost do to statistical negation of it. Sometimes the instant choice is a best of “bad options” – and taking the best of those bad options.

        The easy example, let’s you have a horrible hitting pitcher – can’t swing to save his life. But for some reason, he’s better at sac bunting, making this positive contact, and typically can put the ball in a safe position. Sure, it seems absolutely fine to let him strikeout – you still have an out to use. (Else, why bunt?)

        We see it all the time…not saying its always statistically correct. Not all pitchers can swing it like Maddux, or now, Zach Grienke showed prowess in 2013 at the dish. (Sad: one month the Cubs pitchers racked up more RBIs than any other position in the batting order.)

        The more difficult example: Or even a Barney-esque hitter, who hit into a lot of DPs this season (22). It might be a better situation to let him bunt. Since: he’ll either: beat it into the ground anyways, possibly a double play; pop up; strikeout; but only get you a hit rarely. Sadly again, the Barney-esque hitter probably can’t bunt…to save his offensive soul.

        Also, strategically, if you have the reputation of NEVER BUNTING, but the skill is still there – SURPRISE! – you drop one down successfully, everyone is safe, and the other team was caught napping. It does occur.

        Just like stealing bases may not seem smart. But if you do it at the 78-85% level for 150-175 swipes a season, it can generate some offense. Hell, if you were the Cardinals of Whitey’s days, you got 300 steals. Annoyingly successful that was…over 80% of time.

        The more tools you have – contact hit-run guy, master thieves of bases, the walkmeister, hitsbatman guy, a great bunter, the command specialist, or late inning defensive wizard at 5 positions – the more versatile organizational philosophies can be. It focuses on the right way, but knows when to pull out the “old tricks” to gain the tactical advantages of them.

        JMO. Others likely to flame. So be it.

        1. cubs2003

          Just a thought, but it is a simple way to defeat overshifts as well. If a power pull hitter can get a free single most of the time, I would think they’d take it. Then the infield has to open up and there are very few hitters the opposing team would just give a hit to. I’m thinking Carlos Pena here. I’d have to look at the numbers, though. Makes sense to me right now.

          1. Jason Powers

            Its worth the intellectual exercise sometimes…

            I remembered in high school, I was very adept at the delay steal (no one on 3rd.) Caught an all-state rifled arm catcher unaware (well, his 2nd baseman who I knew would be covering.). And a few times more I did this. I was not a wheels guy at all.

            Not a good move in the majors, but aggressiveness, and unexpected maneuvers have their place. Teams have to win at the margins; and you have to figure out those times when the margins require those non-standard, non-statistically supported dos.

            What should I play it by THE BOOK? ;)


            1. Jason Powers


              1. cubs2003

                I’ve never read The Book. I probably should. At this point, any stone left unturned is a deficit to the franchise in my opinion. The “Moneyball” paradigm shift was a decade ago. Old news, not to say it isn’t valuable. Not directed at you, just in general. I believe there is a lot left in the margins, though. I never played past little league, so I have no real perspective from a player’s point of view. I think there are small advantages to be found all over the place and that’s what makes baseball fun for me.

                1. Mike F

                  I understand, but we have shifted from an old school fundamental approach to an entirely different philosophy. Seems to me, in Boston Theo incorporated a hard saber metric edge, but not was less money ball. Could be wrong, but this looks a lot more Bill James centered and saber metric than in Boston, and whereas he was inheriting Ramirez and Damon, he isn’t close to that here. Just an observation

                  1. Jason Powers

                    Just what I can ferret out about Theo and Jed thinking comes out of this job posting at the Chicago Cubs site:http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/mlb/help/jobs.jsp?c_id=chc

                    Director of Research & Development:
                    •Perform advanced statistical analysis on large volumes of baseball-related data and implement predictive models to aid in decision-making.
                    •Develop and manage a talented staff (developers, analysts, and consultants) by identifying strong candidates, prioritizing work flows, supervising projects and providing productive feedback.
                    •Present high-level analysis in an effective and articulate manner through the use of written reports, charts, tables, graphics, and other tools that enhance the Department’s decision-making process.
                    •Develop and maintain proprietary projections model for future performance.
                    •Monitor, identify and recommend new or emerging techniques, technologies, models and algorithms applicable to internal processes.
                    •Analyze internal baseball processes in order to develop functional requirements (specifications) for outside vendors and application developers, including requirements, system impact, data flow diagrams, special considerations, etc.
                    •Identify technologies that offer potential value to the organization through meetings with vendors and providers.
                    •Oversee the departmental budget associated with R&D spending.

                    I actually applied to it. I have an Ind. Engr degree from Purdue, working on an MBA, a historical, sabermetric, and playing understanding that is above average. I can do what they are expecting, and have done so before.

                    I was sent a thanks for applying response from Shiraz Rehman, Assistant General Manager.

                    So yes, they are taking a vigorous move toward saber/analytical techniques.

          2. Scotti
      2. Cubswin2015

        I agree bunting makes sense in certain late game situations or against a dominate pitcher. When your down 1 or 2 in the bottom of the 9th with guys on 1st and 2nd you should probably bunt unless its your star player at the plate. Too many times seen people not bunt and ground into double play

        1. Jason Powers

          Hopeful moniker…2015.

          Problem the Cubs had 2012/13…get them on base.

          1. Cubswin

            Yeah that was very evident with all the solo homeruns this year. Could never get anyone on base beforehand

  28. mjhurdle

    Im just excited to see who the Cubs pick for the managers job.
    As much as i have my favorites for the job, i know next to nothing about the individual resumes of any of the candidates beyond occasional article i can find. I trust that the organization is doing their due diligence, and whoever they pick will be because they feel that candidate is the best choice for the job.
    Im just interested in seeing who it ends up being, and why.
    And in the end, im still more interested in what player transactions happen, because that is where i feel the Cubs will really improve significantly.

  29. jt

    I predict that who ever gets to be The Cubs’ skipper he will look better in the uni than Herman Franks.

  30. Die hard

    Lou Boudreau was only 24 as player mgr– so lets try Rizzo

    1. Jason Powers

      If we are going down that Die Hard road, might as well hire Derek Jeter. He could transited to MGR from playing… HA HA! He has an 8M player option in 2014. Once a Yankee…

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