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According to multiple – like, dozens – reports this evening, the Chicago Cubs will tomorrow introduce former San Diego Padres bench coach Rick Renteria as the newest manager of the team.

Renteria, 51, succeeds Dale Sveum, who was named manager just two years ago. He’ll inherit a young, developing team, and an extremely solid farm system that should start bearing fruit shortly. The focus in this search was player development, a particular strong suit for Renteria. I am very excited to see how his era begins.

The official announcement and press conference are expected tomorrow, at which time there should be a great deal more to discuss.

  • Blackhawks1963

    Cub fans have notoriously overrated the value of a manager for years. The Cubs will succeed or fail based largely on the talent that is being assembled. Is a manager important? Sure he is. But the Theo Epstein / Billy Beane philosophy of baseball puts definite limits on the value of the manager role. Francona was a non inspiring hire in Boston, and Beane was lambasted when he hired “two time loser” Melvin in Oakland.

    I like what I know so far on Renteria. But a dose of perspective.

    • mjhurdle

      “Cub fans have notoriously overrated the value of a manager for years”

      ummmm….what?

      • Blackhawks1963

        What I said. In following this franchise over 4 plus decades it’s always the same story when thing go wrong…”our manager is awful.” We’ve had some not so good managers, granted. But our fan base needs to pull its head out of the sand and acknowledge that there are things that are and are not at the control of the manager. Is there any other fan base that rips the manager 24/7 like Cub fans? I haven’t seen it.

        • mjhurdle

          you need to get out more. Here in STL they have been ripping their manager for years now. it obviously is not just Cub fans

        • ssckelley

          Yeah right, every team I root for on all level rip on the coaches when thing don’t go right. Even in high school, heck I’ve been ripped on just coaching youth leagues.

        • http://www.bleachernation.com salesguy

          I speak for myself entirely when I say that the “Cubs” collectively have stunk for a while now. Since Theo has taken over however, I think one of the best things he and the new FO has done has educated the fan base on why that is, meaning it’s not a single persons fault. The FO has educated the fan base on the concept of building assets and talent, and how a winning organization sustains it’s success. So while in the past we may have blamed the manager, or some other coach or player as to why the teams bad, I think there are a lot fewer fans that do that anymore. We understand why we were bad now, and what it takes to fix it. Though we as fans understand that the new manager will be a part of it’s success, I don’t think there is now any fan who will give the new manager total credit for our success, or blame for our failure. I think we’re just better fans now who understand what it will take to succeed.

          • CubsFaninMS

            That’s insightful. I totally agree.

    • ssckelley

      Can you look into that crystal ball of yours and tell us who we are going to sign in free agency?

    • Die hard

      He will be on a short leash given how much money is at stake invested by Ricketts family and how much the Ricketts family is expecting from Theo– heck we can be here next year at this time talking about the next new mgr

  • cubmig

    ” But just because you are given a fishing pole, doesn’t mean you can fish.” [Spoda17]

    ???? —- Hell, As one who never fished, I did pretty damn good catching a fish or two by just dropping my pole into the water (baited, of course)!

    ……sorry couldn’t resist. maybe you should offer a different analogy?

  • Playoffs!

    Ok I haven’t been following as much since JG said no dice cubs fans, so does anybody know Renteria’s personality type?? Or managerial style?? Is he aggressive/passive? I hope he has more energy than Dale.

    Any info would be great thanks

  • Ivy Walls

    Okay, that is the real beginning with putting a competitive product on the field that is home grown.

    Heard this today from Rockies AAA insider, Rockies are looking to move two key players off their payroll and retool, Tulo and CarGo. Scenerio is they are looking at StL and moving Tulo to StL where they are said to be interested in him. Denver is interested in Tavaras and Wong plus at least a pitcher, they then would like to replace a SS

    Can you say Castro, for CarGo and a pitcher, for another Cubs player, Cubs want a top prospect but would have to depart with something as well.

    Gonzalez fits the Cubs desire for left handed power, LF, athletic and allows the Cubs to then solidify the OF and groom Soler for RF and trade Schierholtz during the season. This trade would accelerate Baez and eventually Bryant, and would also put Olt on a block.

    I think we better sit back and watch some moving parts this winter.

    • Blackhawks1963

      That is the exact opposite of what has been reported elsewhere. The Rockies told Ken Rosenthal that fhey have no intention of trading either Tulo or CarGo.

      • Ivy Walls

        I replied originally to that…and the reply is the public stance and then there is the behind the scenes real deal.

        Where ever or however I think Denver wants out of the Tulo/Cargo load

    • mjhurdle

      local media here in STL has talked about the Tulo possibility a lot, and it is almost universally agreed to not make a lot of sense from the Cardinal side due to Tulo’s cost, unjury history, and the Rockie demand for a return.
      Not many people think it is even remotely likely, though anything is possible.

  • Eric

    Like I said in the other thread, I’m excited for Renteria. He seems really likable. I’m actually hoping he’s our Bobby Cox and can lead the team for several years to come.

    • Tony_S

      Amen Brother, me too!

      I didn’t know enough about any of the candidates’ styles, personalities etc to make what I felt was an informed decision (although I didn’t like the Hinch idea since he was SUCH an abject failure in AZ).

      That said, if Rick is our guy, then he’s our guy. I hope the man can perform miracles! (And he at least looks like a dude you could have a beer with… Although Dale did too…)

  • Pat

    I don’t really see anything to complain about with this hire. Might as well give Jed the benefit of the doubt for the time being.

  • cavemencubbie

    Welcome aboard Mr. Renteria! I hope you take our Cubbie youngsters, of whatever nationality, and kick some National League ass with them. Good Luck!

  • TWC

    I’m pretty happy that they didn’t do the whole dog-and-pony show/meet-the-media crap this time through. I never really understood that back when Sveum was hired.

  • Matty

    Very disturbing comments from Barry Rozner this morning, who I believe has good sources. Theo wants to control everything, including lineups. Dale balked at that and was let go. Renteria is being hired because Theo and Jed know he’s a stooge they can push around.

    • mjhurdle

      Sources or no, that doesn’t make much sense.
      Did Sveum let Theo control the lineups for the first year and a half, then “balked” in the last half-season?
      Did Theo make his controlling attempts so obvious that any random person saw it? and if so, why did it take so long to come out?
      And did the source ask Renteria if he was going to be a stooge? And if not, how do they know he is one? If the source is right, Theo and jed tried to hire a stooge once already with Dale, and failed. So how do they “know” that Renteria will be one, and if so why didn’t they hire him the first time?

      seems like it is probably more speculation aimed at attracting views than anything else at this point.

      • Funn Dave

        I’m very skeptical too; but as for your first question, it could be that Theo let Dale control the lineups at first but then stepped it once the rebuild started taking longer than expected and the fans started rabbling. Assuming any of it’s true whatsoever.

      • Pat

        I wonder, if true, if that was related to Castro getting moved down in the lineup and then reinstated at the top.

        • Soda Popinski

          He got reinstated at the top to give him as many at bats as possible. The season was already over.

    • Playoffs!

      I didn’t care for Dale changing the lineup every chance he could, but to call a guy a stooge and he hasn’t even worked a full day here is extremely shallow on Barry’s part (I bet he kisses Renteria’s butt on Hit and Run next year if the Cubs have a surprise season).

    • roz

      Was it on the radio? There’s nothing on his Twitter feed.

      • Matty

        Yes, it was on the Score this morning. He was sitting in for Mulligan.

    • Funn Dave

      Does anybody have a link?

  • jt

    Thursday, Nov 7; a day of hype
    then it is over
    hooray!

  • Kevin

    Dale couldn’t complete a sentence much less a lineup.

  • Funn Dave

    Could somebody tell Rick I called dibbs on a coaching gig?

  • Diamond Don

    Yes, I would love to acquire Cargo for the Cubs. He is a solid starter in left. Gold glove potential besides. Add in Castro, Baez, Bryant, Rizzo, Almora, Soler, and you have a great nucleus for the future. Trade Smaj and Barney for Archie Bradley and Skaags. Sign Benoit as free agent and 2015 is looking very very good!!!

    • roz

      If Theo and Jed can get Bradley and Skaags for Samardzija, Barney, and any other players that don’t include the ones you listed, I will get a tattoo of both of their faces on my body.

      • ssckelley

        What would be an appropriate return for a #3 pitcher with a TOR arm that has 2 years of control in his prime? I think Bradley and Skaags is a fair trade, neither of them are a sure thing.

        • roz

          Bradley is #7 on MLB’s Top 100 Prospects and Skaggs was #9 last year before he made his debut. Some consider Bradley the best pitching prospect in all of baseball. I would love to get both, but there’s no way we can do that with just Samardzija and bit pieces. We’d have to throw in a very good prospect, if not one of the Big 4, to get both Bradley and Skaggs.

          • ssckelley

            But they are still prospects, top 25 recruits have about a 35% chance of being good MLB players. Skaggs has not looked that good since bring called up and struggled in AAA. Samardzija is an established MLB pitcher, a damn good one. This deal may never happen but it should be the Cubs asking price. Otherwise I would rather the Cubs keep Samardzija and see what the trade deadlines offer.

            • Mike F

              so by default are you saying that if Theo offers to trade Baez and Bryant for example for Price that would be OK. I think Jeff should bring at least one and possibly one of their left handed starters or another pitcher, but I think it is bit much to ask for the two best prospects in their system. He can ask for that, but unlike the Garza deal which I don’t view as haul I think that would quite a haul. For example if they were to get Delgado and Skaggs that would be decent return.

              • ssckelley

                Personally I would not give 2 position players but a deal like that is what it would take to get Price. But it could not be Bryant since he cannot be traded, it would be more like Baez and Almora.

            • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

              “top 25 recruits have about a 35% chance of being good MLB players”

              You might be confusing a couple of things here. I think you number you are citing refers to players around the lower end of the first round – ie, a 25th overall pick. That’s not quite right, but close.

              Top 25 overall prospects have a higher major league success rate than just 35% (depending, I suppose, on where we draw the boundary of success). For example, I just grabbed a Top 25 list from 2011 and quickly counted 16 of the 25 having success in the majors already, and most of the remainder are currently very highly ranked prospects still.

              • ssckelley

                Last week someone posted a link that had researched the success rate of top 100 prospects over a period of time. My percentages could be off but I remember it being in the 30s, and it might have been top 50.

              • Soda Popinski

                Aw, Luke, we all know the 2011 draft was stacked ;)

              • hansman

                Here is a study:

                http://www.royalsreview.com/2011/2/14/1992424/success-and-failure-rates-of-top-mlb-prospects

                Depends on your definition of success.

                Also, here is an interesting study in BB and K rates and how it translates into MLB success. The author is only at the A level. I will have to keep an eye on it to see if he gets to AA.

                http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2013/11/4/4812832/success-rates-for-single-a-league-prospects-based-on-walk-and

                • ssckelley

                  This was the link, thanks Hans. My numbers are a little off, success rate is 50% over all for top 20 prospects but pitchers are 37% either top 10 coming in at 40%. Obviously position players have a much higher rate of success.

                  Again my point is that top prospects are far from a sure thing and to trade a quality starting pitcher in his prime would take more than just Bradley. If the Cubs got both Skaggs and Bradley the should get 1 successful starting pitcher out if the deal.

  • Die hard

    A mgr delegates and so how much mentoring he does will be miniscule … But if he can light a fire under Castro then he’s worth every dime.

  • Die hard

    And he’s a protege of my first guess Bud Black and so how bad can he be?

    • MichiganGoat

      Your bullshit dumbass predictions and desire to act like you called this is so flippin pathetic. You never mentioned his name but because you screamed Bud Black for months your asshat self is going to take credit? Tiresome trolling bullshit!

      • Die hard

        Tell us what you really think

      • Brains

        in die hard’s defense. he did accurately predict this hire. much respect to his source!

        • MichiganGoat

          The fuck he did, you two should just start your only blog “BULLSHIT WE BELIEVE”

          • Die hard

            BN is not responsible for any burst blood vessels suffered by its citizens

          • YourResidentJag

            :)

          • DarthHater

            “you two should just start your own blog: baseballproctitis.com”

            FTFY

        • DarthHater

          Die hard has predicted everything at one time or another, which improves the odds considerably. See Infinite Monkey Theorem.

      • Mike F

        Sorry, sorry, this is a factual check…. His first choice and call was Don Kessinger, followed by Ozzie Smith, followed by Ozzie Guillen and then Bud and now by connection to all of them Renteria…. akin to and Arkansas family tree…..

  • Aaron

    Renteria is the oldest looking 51 year old that I’ve ever seen.

    • YourResidentJag

      He’s old, fat Mexican…hoooraay!!! :)

      • DarthHater

        This is really going to be fun.

        • YourResidentJag

          Well, when you’ve got a variety of people spewing an asundry of pejoratives towards someone who’s yet to manage here….I don’t know if I’d call it fun.

          • DarthHater

            Well, you were the one hooraying. I was being sarcastic. :-P

            • YourResidentJag

              Sometimes I just can’t tell.

    • DarthHater

      When Richard Dreyfuss was 45, he looked older.

  • Spiders

    I don’t care what any of you say, I’ll miss Dave Sveum. The guy had class and was never given a proper chance to work with a good team.

  • Johnnie A

    I have been visiting this site for some time but have never posted. I don’t see any comments about Zonk Moreland leaving the radio booth. Ozzie Guillen said he would coach for the Cubs but would he take a radio gig? It probably won’t happen but it’s fun to imagine.

    • MichiganGoat

      I’m fine and pleased Zonk is leaving he never really worked well with Pat, but Ozzie on the radio? I hope this is a joke.

      • Die hard

        Consider him doing Spanish only broadcasts if you can think outside the box

        • mjhurdle

          seriously dude, who are you and what did you do with the real Die Hard?
          If you are just going to keep re-posting old Die Hard posts under his name, you could at least let us know what happened to him,

          • Die hard

            Some things are worth repeating

  • Diamond Don

    No Ozzie, can’t understand him.

    • Die hard

      Especially if speaks Spanish

  • Die hard

    The fact Renteria was born on Xmas certainly didn’t hurt his chances as the newest savior

  • Die hard

    So basically his role is to instruct the players — a 162 game Instructional League.. Wonder if Cubs will reduce tkt prices accordingly

  • Ed

    What time is the press conference? I’m assuming it’s going to be on Comcast sports net… Right?

  • Ed

    I expect Dave Roberts to come over with renteria, along with Henry blanco and Alex Cora as reported.

    • Tony_S

      If this is serious, I think I’d be happy with it

    • YourResidentJag

      That’d be good.

  • DarthHater

    Goddammit, I go watch a nice Ava Gardner movie, get in a good mood, then pop back here to check the news and you’re all acting like douchenozzles. Please, everyone, knock it off. Except for Brains and Die hard, it’s the usual for them, so by all means, carry on.

    • MichiganGoat

      It’s only going to get worse

      • DarthHater

        I’m going back to Ava… ;-)

        • MichiganGoat

          Good idea

        • Patrick W.

          You know what Sinatra said about her…

          • DarthHater

            Sinatra can kiss my light sabre.

            • sven-erik312

              Which Movie, I just saw “7 Days in May” a few weeks ago on TCM Nordic

  • http://www.survivingthalia.com Mike Taylor (no relation)

    If Renteria could get a win in the WBC with AGON, Gallardo, Sergio Romo, and a bunch of NRI guys, then, he should feel at home with this current Cubs team. I’d say he has more, younger talent to work with, though.

  • Jono

    Well, the managerial pick is one less thing cubs thing to may attention to. On second thought, that was the ONLY cubs related topic until spring training.

  • Roggan

    Decided to wikipedia Renteria, and what do I see for his image? A picture of Ryno.

    • InRizzoWeTrust

      I has a sad. I miss Ryno!

  • Curt

    I think renteria is fine but then wth did they mess around with douschenozzles from Boston for.

  • Jim Beam

    Brett: Renteria is receiving a solid farm system? Really? You are being very modest. I would say the cubs farm is a little better then solid

  • InRizzoWeTrust

    Welcome RR. First order of business is to grow the ‘Stache like Coach Q.

    Stache Bros for life.

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