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  • It seems that anyone willing to do some prognosticating about the Cubs’ managerial gig at this point is predicting that San Diego Padres’ bench coach Rick Renteria will be getting the job in short order. Jon Heyman seems to think so, Mark Gonzalez suggests it, Bruce Levine guesses it, and I could go on. Are all inside sources actually saying the same things, or is this a kind of feedback loop? Probably a bit of both, but I tend not to bet against the tide.
  • We’ve yet to hear a bad word about Renteria, who is presumably merely caught up in an extremely thorough search and evaluation process (as opposed to being the subject of a great deal of hemming and hawing). It’s amazing to think about how relatively zippy the last search was.
  • Peter Gammons, who also names Renteria the favorite, reports that a decision will be made today and announced tomorrow. We shall see.
  • As for the Torey Lovullo stuff, it seems increasingly unlikely that the Cubs will get their shot at interviewing him. It’s probably got to be today or bust, and it’s going to take a change of heart from the Red Sox’s top brass. I’m not alone in ranting about the Red Sox’s twisted position on prohibiting Lovullo from interviewing. Jesse Rogers says the Red Sox are setting a very bad precedent, and Gordon Wittenmyer correctly points out that the entity the Red Sox are screwing more than any other is not the Cubs, it’s Lovullo. The Cubs have other good options – indeed, they may prefer Renteria over all others – but Lovullo might have only this one shot of convincing a team like the Cubs to hire him as manager. And the Red Sox are preventing that for questionable reasons.
  • forlines

    Not going to lie, Boston not allowing Lovullo the opportunity to at least speak with the Cubs is very troubling, not so much for the Cubs, but for him personally, like the last bullet pointed out. I don’t really know how I would react if it were me, but it certainly wouldn’t be positively.

    • Fishin Phil

      I’m pretty sure I would quit, and make sure everyone knew the reason why.

      • Blackhawks1963

        According to Wittemeyer, the ship has sailed on Lovullo in terms of the Cubs. Theo and the Cubs are no longer pursuing the ability to interview him. They aren’t fighting Boston’s refusal to let him interview with the Cubs.

    • http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/653cc0c5f0eded621ab13b4f631de7da.png Cizzle

      I see the entity that’s hurt most by Boston’s childish behavior as the Red Sox. Going forward, if an interviewing coach (on any level) had a choice between the Red Sox (who apparently won’t let coaches interview for promotions) and ANY other organization, I’d choose the any.

      • ClevelandCubsFan

        Exactly. If I am a coach with a couple options on the table I’ll be thinking long and hard about working for such fickle bosses.

  • Blackhawks1963

    Per Gordon Wittemeyer this morning on WSCR…

    - Renteria will be the hire. Cubs rolled the dice that Girardi would happen, but Sveum would have been fired regardless. Hoyer has long relationship with Renteria. Renteria aced his interview with both Theo and Jed. They haven’t announced his hire yet because once they knew they weren’t getting Girardi they allowed themselves the self imposed deadline of 11/11, or the start of the Winter Meetings. And even though Renteria has been the frontrunner for weeks (the “clear frontrunner”) Theo wants to do full due diligence, not rush into things and be open minded to interviewing other candidates. They were not worried that Renteria would be snatched up by somebody else while they took their time. Yes, they are very disappointed not to have the chance to interview Lovullo, but have moved on from that (“closed chapter). Wittemeyer expects a formal press conference some time on Friday to announce Renteria.

    - Samardzija is not on the trading block right now despite reports, which are false. The Cubs want to sign Samardzija to a new contract, but are not hopeful of getting a deal done. They will definitely seek to trade Samardzija this winter if they can’t sign him to a deal, but TheoJed’s asking price will be sky high, meaning it is more likely that Samardzija then gets flipped before the July 31st trade deadline instead. But Gordon thinks that unless a contract happens soon, then its an absolute lock Samardzija is traded by no later than mid-season 2014.

    • cubfanbob

      I heard the score. It’s silly how much they think they know about the Cubs that that are either wrong on or dont really know

      • roz

        What are they wrong about?

  • Ben

    Almost makes me wish the Cardinals had won.

    • cubfanincardinalland

      A little early in the morning to be drinking Ben!

      • http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/653cc0c5f0eded621ab13b4f631de7da.png Cizzle

        +1

      • ari gold

        I really hope we play the Red Sox in the World Series in the next 5 years and kick their ass. How sweet would that be.

        • 1060Ivy

          Believe the Cubs are scheduled to play BoSox in Boston next season so you won’t have to worry if either club makes it into the Series.

  • Justin

    I’m all for the Cubs taking their time and getting the right guy and all, but is Renteria really the guy they want after this gigantic drawn out process? Maybe I guess… On the surface it seems they were hoping something better came along though to me. At this point hiring Renteria would be pretty anticlimactical, but who cares if he gets Castro and Rizzo back on the right track. That’s priority #1.

    • Brian Peters

      I don’t think it’s the Cubs who were “waiting for something better to come along…” I think it was the fans whose ears perked up every time a new name was added to the list. Everybody assumes (wrongly) that the long drawn-out process means Theo/Jed weren’t blown away by any of the candidates. Even I had grown tired of the duration of the process. But I always trusted the people in charge to make the right decision for the team. It’s clear they have.

  • mdavis

    It certainly paints the bosox in a poor light. people in baseball see the young talent on the way for the cubs, and that’s exciting. its a shame they would block Lovullo from a potentially excellent opportunity (should he of been the hire). but if they feel that strongly about renteria then good, lets hope hes the right guy this time. the only negative thing i have heard (cant remember where i read it…damn) is there were some questions if he could handle the chicago atmoshpere/media/etc.

    • Blackhawks1963

      I don’t care if the manager hire is anticlimatical. Just get the right guy. Seriously, we as Cub fans are notorious for ridiculously overrating the role and purpose of the manager. We need to get away from that mentality for our own sanity.

      If you take a look at Boston, the Francona hire was anticlimatical. And throughout Francona’s tenure with the BoSox he never had a say in personnel moves, etc. He was simply there to fill out the lineup card, prepare his team and do what a manager does.

      It’s the same thing with Billy Beane and the Oakland A’s. Beane places distinct limits as to the role and value of a manager. It’s why Art Howe and him were diametrically opposed, which led to Howe being let go. When Beane hire Bob Melvin to be manager, he was blasted for hiring a two-time loser in Arizona and Seattle. But Melvin has been a quality fit in Oakland.

      So lets chill on Renteria and not expect him to come here to cure cancer. The success and failure of the Cubs will ultimately come down to the talent assembled. A manager is not unimportant, but he’s also not nearly as important as we make him out to be as Cub fans.

      • Jono

        +1

      • Justin

        Dude, shut up. Quit trying to sound like a hardass know it all.. Not a good look. And it’s not bad that it’s anticlimacticall at all. Just saying… Pretty much everyone on here knows that getting the right guy is OBVIOUSLY the right thing and most important aspect, and will wish Renteria the best. So quit trying to act like you have some awesome opinion, it’s really pretty annoying.

        • Justin

          This prior message was to Blackhawks 1963 and no one else.

        • roz

          Calm down man, he made a quality post that’s a lot better than a lot of crap that gets posted here in the comments.

          • LWeb23

            I’ll second that ^^

  • ETS

    the red sox are bad and they should feel bad!

  • Mr. Gonzo

    Here’s to hoping a “mandatory mustache” clause will be baked into Renteria’s contract, his upper lip doesn’t quite look ready for those early April games… They can bring in Nick Offerman as a special assistant for safe measure.

  • JulioZuleta

    The thing is, the I know there’s a “3 year restriction” on the Cubs hiring Red Sox employees, but there’s no reason that the Red Sox can’t essentially keep it in place forever. I wouldn’t put it passed them to deny the Cubs permission to interview contracted employees for a few more years at least, or until Lucchino is gone.

    • mdavis

      obviously i havent seen that agreement, but it seems most around the industry were of the impression that was in regards to front office personnel already in place. Lovullo left the same time as Theo, wasn’t a front office guy, and has no chance of advancement with Boston. It’s just wrong, and frankly, should make a coach think twice before going there. It’s a shame. they’re not doing right by a Lovullo.

      • JulioZuleta

        The agreement really doesn’t matter very much. If an employee is under contract, the Red Sox have the rights to them for the duration of the deal. It’s just the custom in baseball that you let employees leave for promotions, but they certainly don’t have to let them.

    • hansman

      I think they know that in doing that the rest of the league will make it painful for them. Now they are in a good spot in that they have a young, good GM and a young, good manager.

      I just hope that the day after that expires Theo raids their FO like a fat kid raids the cookie jar.

  • hansman

    Here’s to hoping that the Red Sox will have to pay through the nose to hire anyone else from another club.

  • Eric

    I’m over it. The BoSox FO folks are fucktards and I hope we play them in the World Series one day.

    Renteria seems to be well respected and if he’s the guy, I’m going to root for him.

    • Fishin Phil

      ^^^ This.

  • Are you kidding me

    [Ed. - Upon reflection, I can't leave any of this garbage up. Inappropriate, insulting, and cruel. You're on thin ice, and no, you aren't anonymous.]

    • Ben

      That worked really well last time.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      Those are some pretty fucked up things to say. I’m not sure I should even leave that up.

      • DarthHater

        I usually err on the side of open discourse, but screw that douchenozzle. Go for it, Brett.

        • college_of_coaches

          There is absolutely nothing of value in that statement.

      • mdavis

        agreed with you guys. didn’t think this clown even warranted a response, but grow up. fucked up indeed to be posting things like that. i say go for it brett. don’t need people like this ruining the great community you’ve worked so hard to establish.

      • Joker

        Remember Ace, Bleacher Nation is not a democracy. Wield your mighty hammer!

      • http://vdcinc.biz 70′scub

        Pull it off the your sight Brett!

    • Eric

      Are you serious? There are videos of him on Youtube and he comes across as highly intelligent.

    • TWC

      “We’re going to hire a manager who looks like he’s developmentally delayed and [other insulting comments snipped]”

      I’m not one that typically sullies the comments with cursing, but fuck off, man. Fuck off.

      • DarthHater

        “I’m not one that typically sullies the comments with cursing”

        [img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7371/10709254784_9f8ec12863_n.jpg[/img]

        • TWC

          Here in the comments, I’ve never told anyone to fuck off. But few have been more deserving as that twat above.

          • DarthHater

            I dunno, man. I think you have done so with other assorted racists, nativists, homophobes, and assorted imbeciles. But I like your work, so I’m not gonna criticize. :-P

            • TWC

              Heh. It’s possible. I suppose I’ve probably told a lot of people to fuck off, but I’m not sure that I’ve ever told anyone to “fuck off”.

              Well, except for Phil, as he notes below. He deserves it.

          • Fishin Phil

            This is true, he usually tells me via Twitter.
            ;)

          • Jono

            The fact that you’ve never told me that means you use it conservatively

        • Jono

          HAHAHA

    • Kramden

      His picture looks like someone who could be very happy spending hours playing with a ball of yarn.

    • Chicagoan

      I didn’t know Richie Incognito posted on BN. Take that ignorance somewhere else.

      • DarthHater

        Heh. Richie’s got time on his hands right now.

    • hansman

      “I wonder if he’ll sit in the dugout and clap like Jim Esian !”

      Do you actually mean Mike Quade? Or Jim Essian?

      Oh, you’re dumber than a box of rocks? I see…

    • http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/653cc0c5f0eded621ab13b4f631de7da.png Cizzle

      You’re a dick.

    • Brian Peters

      You are a fucking ass, and Brett really needs to remove your comment from this thread before it comes to the attention of an agency serving the developmentally disabled in the Chicago area. Just saying.

      • Brian Peters

        My comment was directed at Are you kidding me? by the way. And Brett, you should take it off, along with the others following it that echo that idiot’s message.

    • Brian Peters

      You’re still an ass, just so you know. And bravo to Brett!!

    • MightyBear

      Did Brett pull this down? I didn’t see the original post.

      • MightyBear

        The Are You Kidding Me post. Didn’t see it.

        • Brian Peters

          You don’t want to see it. Trust me.

          • Mike F

            Wow, it must be pretty interesting to get Brett to use the f word. I guess part of me is glad I missed it all.

            • http://bleachernation.com someday…2015?

              I was thinking the exact same thing.

  • Cheryl

    If Lovullo has the chance of even being a coach elsewhere he should jump ship. He may not have been the cubs choice in the end but to not even been fiven the opportunity to interview is really bad. Boston not only stuck it to Luvollo they stuck it to themselves as well.

    • YourResidentJag

      Supposedly Cherington is going to up his salary….not sure what that solves though.

  • Megan H

    Anyone else going to the season ticket holder On Deck 2014 event Friday or Saturday with Theo and Crane Kenney? I was hoping we might get an intro to the new manager then (in my fantasy world, they’d actually make the announcement at the event).

    • cubfanbob

      going Friday at 4:30pm

    • The Logos

      Saturday at 4:30 for me. I am not yet a season-ticket holder, but my number was pulled this offseason … have not decided if we are going to make the leap, yet. But, this event looks fun.

      • cubfanbob

        didnt realize they were inviting potential season tic buyers, cool

        • The Logos

          Yeah, since calling me about it they have actually done a lot in an attempt to “woo” me. I think it’s fair to assume that with so many season-ticket holders ditching them, they are working hard to get people in.

          I was in the 48,000s at the beginning the 2012 season, 19,000s at the start of 2013, and then I got pulled this offseason. I was hoping to have a few more years before making the commitment … afraid to pass it up, though, then they start winning and I have to wait another ten years.

          • Drew

            Yes, don’t pass it up. I was in the 5000′s last offseason, was invited to the “Pick your Seat” events with no Guarantee to get one. When I was a no-show I was dropped from the wait list.

            GO, GO, GO or you will be dropped. May have let my window of opportunity pass last off season. . .

          • North Side Irish

            If you’re worried about the commitment, I’m looking for someone to take 1/4 of our season tickets. I’ve had them for five years but had two people drop out this season. Everything gets split evenly and 20 games is a lot more manageable than 81. I put the details on the message board if you’re interested.

            • The Logos

              I appreciate the offer. My biggest issue, though, is that I just don’t want to lose my place in line. So, it doesn’t necessarily help me with that.

              When I originally got on the list, the idea was that I was going to split it with three other guys – now none of them can either due to general lack of interest or funds.

              • North Side Irish

                No worries…I get it. I got on the list when I was single and living 50 ft. from Wrigley. We had like 10 people who were going to split them. By the time I got picked, we were down to four and now two of them dropped out.

                We picked up our new 3rd guy from the message board on another Cubs blog. He had a lawyer draw up a contract to guarantee his rights. So if you joined us, you’d lose your place in line, but you would be legally guaranteed to have season tickets each year.

    • Mr. Brent Kennedy

      I’ll be there Friday at 4:30 as well. Looking forward to this.

      • The Logos

        I wonder if the new manager will make an appearance. That would be pretty great.

  • TheRiot2

    Obviously Lucchino not in the running for the Nobel peace prize.Petty,vindictive and above all else a Class A jerk. Lovullo should be ticked off and no Christmas Card exchange this year for ludicrous Larry from,his words not mine,there’s no ego now in the Red Sox front office,REALLY ???

  • Patrick W.

    I don’t think we can judge just by looking at him but I bet he uses only one punctuation mark at the end of sentences.

    Thanks for weighing in Mrs. Hinch.

  • Kev

    I suppose that if the Cubs hire a new manager, he should be a new manager who has no teeth.

  • Greenroom

    I am just curious why Lovullo cannot quit? Or “retire”? thanks for the response

    • DocPeterWimsey

      Lovullo’s contract almost certainly has language stating that he cannot re-sign with another team if he ups and quits, either until: 1) a specified period of time OR the contract, or 2) the Sox release him from his contract (i.e., fire him).

      If Lovullo actually “retired,” then there would be some waiting period before he could un-retire.

      • Greenroom

        thanks so much. that is what I thought, but I just was not sure.

        Go Cubs~

    • Kyle

      If he were to quit or retire, the Red Sox would still retain his rights through the end of his contract.

    • Jono

      He probably wouldn’t want to quit for a job he hasn’t even interviewed for.

      • Jono

        I guess bender’s and Kyle’s answers are even better.

      • Greenroom

        I understand that point. I would be pretty mad if they were blocking me from a position that I had waited for my whole life. peace~

  • Die hard

    For all you that pay attention even before Sveum was fired I asked for Theo to go after Bud Black… Renteria was one of his coaches schooled by Black.. Close enough

    • hansman

      Oh ok…I can see it now:

      DieHard approaches the Soviet Premier and says “Mr. Premier, I know I told you I would bomb NYC, but we actually bombed Buffalo. Buffalo is in New York state, close enough, right!?!”

      Soviet Premier: “I really wish Brett would just give you the banhammer”

      DieHard: “Oh, and the 800 other places I said I would bomb, ya, that didn’t happen and it turns out, half of them don’t exist”

      Soviet Premier: (shoots himself in the head so as to escape the DieHard)

      • MichiganGoat

        Lovely

    • DarthHater

      The Six Degrees of Separation From Reality…

      • Mike F

        wow, wow and more wow, so diehard came close enough……. Just wow…..

        We all need what he’s on….

  • Voice of Reason

    It’s Renteria. I mean, he’s a Hoyer guy from San Diego! What else do you need to know?

    After Girardi resigned, it became a dog and pony show with the suits knowing that Renteria would get the nod.

    • Norm

      Or they didn’t believe Luccino would actually go through with preventing Luvollo from interviewing and simply called his bluff?

  • http://bleachernation DL Huyck

    No more Old Style at Wrigley. That’s Sad!

  • another JP

    If Renteria is a good enough candidate just hire him- the Cubs shouldn’t need to speak to Lovullo. First the Yankees keep the Cubs from interviewing Girardi and now the Red Sox playing the typical east coast hard-ass… screw them all. Those two franchises deserve each other.

    • Blackhawks1963

      I believe too much stock is being put into Lovullo. We don’t know whether he would have surfaced as the hire after the interview process. We just don’t. Wittemeyer has said that Renteria won over the Cubs in the interview process, so that tells me that Lovullo (and Ausmus) would have had to blow TheoJed’s socks off to surpass him for the job.

      I think what we can say with confidence is that this job was Joe Girardi’s to have, but obviously he declined and elected to stay with the Yankees. So you can say that Renteria became the “plan B” after Girardi jilted us.

  • Blackhawks1963

    I’m going to get 100% behind Rick Renteria. Certainly seems amply qualified and gets high praise from a lot of people he’s worked for or come into contact with in the game.

    I suppose Chris Bosio remains the pitching coach? What will be interesting to see is who becomes the new hitting coach.

    As noted above, I think there are limits as to the true value and role of a manager (and hitting coach for that matter). But that said, I’m excited about Renteria. Now lets pray that Baez, Bryant, Almora, Soler, Alcantara, Edwards, Johnson, Hendricks, Vizcaino and others start successfully arriving on the doorstep !

    • hansman

      Going to get? Did you have an arm hair that wasn’t behind Renteria?

      At this point, I can only think that you are posting these every day as some sort of bit you are doing.

    • TWC

      “I’m going to get 100% behind Rick Renteria.”

      I’m shocked, SHOCKED!

  • Joycedaddy

    Can Lovullo sue the MLB/Red Sux/Whoever if they refuse to allow him the right to interview for a promotion? Something along the line of a players association or something similar? Just askin, that sounds pretty sketchy if they would do that to one of their guys. I feel like allowing players/coaches to accept promotions elsewhere is an unofficial rule in sports….

    • DocPeterWimsey

      Unless a contract has language specifying something about a promotion, then that is (or should be) irrelevant. Now, it might be an unofficial rule in sports: but a lot of unofficial rules in sports (and, as history has shown, a few official rules in sports!) do not have any legal standing.

      • Jason Powers

        One could argue that whatever the non compete language is he is 1) taking a promotion 2) working over 1000 miles away 3) in a different league from his current one 4) that his special skills trump the contract obligation. Restraint of trade.

        But he would have to quit and the cubs hire him and boston sues and then the cubs hire him a great lawyer. Assuming the commissioner didnt bigfoot into that mess. I suspect theo and co. Decided last thing they need is open warfare with another team with all the legal wrangling going on with the rooftop people. Ideal mgr was trumped by available to manage without hassle.

        • Mike F

          Yeah you could try to argue that, but most good lawyers will tell their clients not to end up in court and before the vagaries of the bench or a jury. In this case though, the Cubs would be on very thin ice at best as this pretty settled law. The thing that is going to happen here, is ultimately if Renteria or someone else is named, Lucchino and Henry are going to go public and say we were never asked the Cub’s weren’t serious about our guy. If they were, Boston will claim they would have let him talk, and the Cub’s out of respect will not be in any place to refute that publicly. I think too much is being made of Boston being evil. If the Cub’s really want to interview the guy, Ricketts simply needs to call Henry and if the answer isn’t satisfactory then take it to commissioner for an expedited solution. My take is simple, all they want the interview for is cross checking and making sure they made the right decision similar to the Ausmus interview.

          • http://what? brygo

            You guys arent showing a lot of early faith in Renteria. How bad can he be?

            • Mike F

              The hell we aren’t. I have said he’s a safe choice and the best of the lot. And he has a lot of respect from major league establishment. Why the hell don’t you have something to do with your time better than trolling here…. your continuing harassing is very perverse. Go take up space on Boston blogs.

              Oh and I have a lot faith that Boston is a classless organization from top to bottom, just not that this as big of a deal. You fit the Boston mystique well…..

    • Blackhawks1963

      Doing that would probably only serve to blackball him the remainder of his time in the game. So he wasn’t allowed to interview for a job in accordance with the 3 year deal that exists between the Cubs and Boston that Theo can’t poach the Red Sox of talent. Did Lovullo get screwed in the process? Sure, I think he did. But what he got screwed out of was a job interview…NOT necessarily the actual manager’s job of the Chicago Cubs.

      Lovullo needs to suck it up and do the best possible job he can for the Red Sox in 2014. If he’s really as promising a baseball guy as they say, then other interview opportunities will arrive on his doorstep next offseason and beyond.

      • Randy

        Blackhawk, why don’t you suck it up and go away.

  • When the Music’s Over

    For whatever reason, this guy reminds me of Cheech Marin.

  • Chris

    Massholes…

  • BlameHendry

    Sorry, not a fan of Renteria…

  • http://what? brygo

    Lovullo will get a hefty raise, be spared the indignity of presiding over Theo’s Titantic Cubs, get his world series ring in April while eyeing another in the fall…and then be available to any of the myriad of far more stable organizations that will be looking for a bright young manager next off season. its win/win for Lovullo.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      Good. Great. Wonderful.

      You’ve served your purpose here. Head on home, sport.

      • Patrick W.

        I got $10 says you typed “Head on home, champ” and then quickly backed out to “sport.”

        • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

          Champ is usually my go-to in those situations (though I use it nicely). I forget what I went with originally, but you’re correct – it was not “sport,” and was changed before publishing.

          • Cubbie Blues

            That would have been twice that you would have posted that word today then.

    • When the Music’s Over

      Myriad is so often used out of context.

    • Boogens

      “…and then be available to any of the myriad of far more stable organizations …”

      I’m sure that’s exactly how you were feeling about your own team at the end of the colossal flop in 2011 and the Bobby Valentine mess in 2012.

      • http://what? brygo

        I dont have rose colored glasses when it comes to my team, like most of you do apparently. We (in Boston) all realize that 2012 was handled poorly from the moment the season ended in ’11 til Valentines firing in October. the entire off season and following season was one tremendous cluster f##

        • http://deepcenterfield.blogspot.com Jason Powers

          We are much more realistic/cautious than you seem to understand. What board have you been reading the last few days/weeks/months or even, years?

          Glad you don’t have rose colored glasses, easy to say that now, ain’t it? As if we could ever know what you’re psychological state of mind is or was…

          You credit Bostonians too much, “We (in Boston) all realize that 2012 was handled poorly from the moment the season ended in ’11 til Valentines firing in October. the entire off season and following season was one tremendous cluster f##”

          I know a few SOX fans were not as intelligent or as insightful as all that. I let them rant, then reminded them that the current Cubs FO was able to give them 2 World Series, and at least one of them was assisted by the prior BoSox FO. So you SHOULD thank Theo for drafting Pedrioa and Ellsbury and others acquired. And be grateful you have 3 titles in a decade.

          Be a good winner. Reflect some class from Boston. Otherwise you’ll be another story of a classless, braggart coming by to be a unsportman-like fantard.

          • http://what? brygo

            I actually supported the Valentine hire. Thought we needed the anti-Tito. But, Ben didnt want him, so that was bad. Then the front office picked his coaching staff and that wasnt good. Then management backed the players anytime there was a manager/player issue which was bad. It would not have been the disaster it turned into, had everyone been on the same page. Call it a nice learning experience in what not to do

            • DarthHater

              Or, more simply, you supported the Valentine hire because you’re a loudmouth moron.

              Occam’s Razor: The Best Shave a Man Can Get.

              • http://what? brygo

                And again the level of discourse reaches that of a drunken pro wrestling fan

                • DarthHater

                  Yep, best discussion of 14th-century nominalist epistemology I ever had was at a pro-wrestling event in Little Rock.

        • Cheryl

          You miss the point and from what you just said I’d expect you to. Even if Lovullo gets a ring its not the same as having an opportunity to interview for a job. You may view Boston as justified in doing anything to an employee. We don’t. It’s called fairness, but you probably never heard of that in your world.

          • http://what? brygo

            Again with the insults? Can any of you mid westerners be civil in a discussion? Lovullo interviewed with us two years ago. He will interview again. And as I have said for the 100th time, Cherington said yesterday that no team NO TEAM has sought permission to interview any coach on the staff

            • Cubbie Blues

              That is an incorrect statement. The correct statement would be that no team has *officially* asked permission. The conversation itself was had.

              • http://what? brygo

                Really? And you were on the other line listening in?

                • Cubbie Blues
                  • http://what? brygo

                    Oh, well if Heyman the Hack, who serves as Scott Boras’ mouthpiece in his spare time…..yeah, he is reliable. I think his pre season picks had the Red Sox in last place. Solid baseball reporter he is.

                    • Cubbie Blues

                      What about this one?
                      http://www.csnne.com/blog/red-sox-talk/report-red-sox-keeping-lovullo-cubs

                      Or what about this one from MLB?

                    • On The Farm

                      “Oh, well if you are going to present proof to how I am wrong….I am just going to have to resort to discrediting a national baseball analyst!”

                      FIFY

                      And I am sure Heyman is the only person in the world that picked Boston to finish last in the tough AL East, so because of that it diminishes him as a writer.

                      How thick can you get?

                    • Boogens

                      “Again with the insults? Can any of you mid westerners be civil in a discussion? ”

                      “Oh, well if Heyman the Hack, who serves as Scott Boras’ mouthpiece in his spare time…..”

                      Who’s name-calling now?

            • DarthHater

              Sure, fling the feces of your “Titanic” comments, etc., all over the board, then play the wounded victim who’s here for a serious baseball discussion. Never seen anybody troll like that before. Nope.

        • Boogens

          “We (in Boston) all realize that 2012 was handled poorly from the moment the season ended in ’11 til Valentines firing in October.”

          We can agree to disagree but I think that you’re glossing over Boston’s recent issues. The team had a historical flop in 2011 (complete with fried chicken, beer & personnel shake-ups). Then the team had a miserable 2012 season, largely for the reasons you listed in a previous post (Bobby Valentine hiring & firing, player sell-offs, etc.). I see them as distinct situations while you’re kind of lumping them together. My point? You are holding up your team as a model of how a good organization is run while I’m pointing out that your model organization has had several recent embarassing moments. Not a big deal overall but somewhat hypocritical on your part.

    • http://deepcenterfield.blogspot.com Jason Powers

      Adios non-amigos!

      • Professor Snarks

        Jason, off topic, but I finally sent that e-mail I promised. Sorry for the delay.

  • Derek Smalls

    A practical question. Do the Chicago Cubs have a dental plan for employees? Looks like first order of business is to get Renteria a new set of chompers.

    [Ed. - Leave the nasty, juvenile shots out of it.]

    • hansman

      Rick says his teeth are just fine:

      [img]http://static.foxsports.com/content/fscom/img/2013/10/14/101413-MLB-Padres-Rick-Renteria-DG-PI_20131014203221277_660_320.JPG[/img]

    • Stinky Pete

      Nooo, there’s not an F’ing Dental plan!!!

  • Cardfan
  • Jon

    Brett, (and I”m sure I speak for everyone here) I(we) will all chip in $5 a pop if you ban this obnoxious Red sox fan

    • Chad

      Brett, if you thought last year’s deadline fundraiser was big, just think of the possibilities and how many wishes BN could fulfill by simply getting rid of this guy.

    • http://what? brygo

      Yes, lets ban someone who offers a different opinion. Nice

      • Cheryl

        Different opinions we don’t mind. It’s the view that you’re justified in doing whatever you want to an employee including blocking him that rankles. You may think money and a ring justify the actions toward Lovullo we don’t. If Lovullo had said he wasn’t interested in the job that would be fine. But he wasn’t even afforded that opportunity as far as we know.

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