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rick renteria padresIt should be unsurprising that the reactions to the unsurprising Rick Renteria hiring are unsurprisingly unsurprised. The best bits are going to come from Renteria, himself, and the Cubs’ front office. That’s all yet to come. Still, it’s interesting to peruse the early reactions …

  • Multiple reports have Renteria getting a three-year deal from the Cubs (fairly standard), plus two club option years at the end. No word on the money, though I wouldn’t necessarily expect him to be a top-paid manager given that he’s not a “name,” and he did not get competing offers.
  • Carrie Muskat offers a take and got some quotes from long-time Padres catcher Nick Hundley, who is sad to lose Renteria, and says the Cubs are getting a good one.
  • Word out of San Diego is that Renteria’s departure is indeed felt as a loss, which tends to be the best compliment.
  • Bruce Miles writes about the length of the managerial search, and why it only seems like it was a long process. The search was exhaustive, and there was no reason not to take as much time as reasonably possible to get it right.
  • CSN’s Tony Andracki collects bits and background on Renteria.
  • Phil Rogers pegs turning Starlin Castro around as Renteria’s biggest task.
  • Jon Greenberg offers a sardonic take on the hiring, almost chiding the Cubs for grabbing another placeholder manager. Indeed, the article is less about the hiring than it is about rehashing the travails of the immediate past and future. That said, Greenberg compliments the rebuilding process, calling it a wise “sausage-making” endeavor.
  • And Keith Law won the joking contest with a sublime crack:

  • YourResidentJag

    Greenberg almost chides the Cubs. The article was GOD AWFUL and proves that it’s not only veteran scribes of the Cubs who can’t write.

    • Cub Fan Dan

      ESPN really needs to let Sahadev cover the Cubs exclusively.

      • YourResidentJag

        ESPN needs to turn itself into a media conglomerate that covers college sports and ONLY college sports.

    • TK

      I don’t see a problem with the article. It may be to your dislike, but the state of the franchise, and the manager position, is pretty darn accurate as depicted by Greenberg. This hiring simply IS another Quade/Sveum band-aid type of hiring. It may suck, but it’s REALITY. Deal with it.

      • TWC

        “It may suck, but it’s REALITY. Deal with it.”

        If you say so, tough guy.

        • TK

          Yeah, I say so you F-in clown. Whats your deal? Nothin intelligent to say? But, you’re right . . . I am a tough guy. Dont know why, however, you feel thats relevant. Maybe some kinda small penis issue where you say things like that to people who logically oppose your viewpoint??????? Low self-esteem? Low T??? Maybe???????????

          • TWC

            ::hugs::

          • DarthHater

            Self-proclaimed tough-guy makes penis size an issue. Big surprise.
            [img]http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5504/9301687183_caa34cbec3_n.jpg[/img]

            • bbmoney

              haha, outstanding.

            • MichiganGoat

              That pic is perfect everytime

              • DarthHater

                I’m recycling old material I know, I know… :-P

          • Chef Brian

            Internet tough guys are all the rage in Belgium.

            • DarthHater

              Well now, the result of last week’s competition when we asked you to find a derogatory term for the Belgians. Well, the response was enormous and we took quite a long time sorting out the winners. There were some very clever entries. Mrs Hatred of Leicester Said ‘let’s not call them anything, let’s just ignore them’ and a Mr St John of Huntingdon said he couldn’t think of anything more derogatory than Belgians. But in the end we settled on three choices: number three … the Sprouts, sent in by Mrs Vicious of Hastings… very nice ; number two….. the Phlegms from Mrs Childmolester of Worthing; but the winner was undoubtedly from Mrs No-Supper-For-You from Norwood in Lancashire… Miserable Fat Belgian Bastards.

              • TWC

                I know you’re not just prejudiced against race or color. What else are you prejudiced against?

                • MichiganGoat

                  Hippies

                  • kscubfan

                    Hippies as in ‘make love not war ‘ or ‘tree huggers’.

                    • MichiganGoat

                      There’s a difference?

          • Patrick W.

            I think he just has low question marks.

      • Aaron

        But there’s no way of knowing that right now. A lot of smart baseball people like Renteria and he fits all of the requirements the Cubs were looking for, so who is to say he can’t be a manager who sticks around for years?

        • Kyle

          Well, the requirements the Cubs were looking for weren’t exactly “is capable of leading a winning team immediately.”

          • BT

            So what kind of hiring was Robin Ventura? He seemed capable of leading a winning team immediately (until the last weeks of the season in 2012). Then last year, he seemed incapable of leading anything.

            Renteria will be a placeholder if no assets are placed at his disposal. Managers rarely create talent. If the Cubs provide him with a talented roster, he might be around for years. He might also suck. I can’t imagine anyone has any idea at this point.

            • Kyle

              It’s more than a bit unfair to ask someone to try to make sense of anything the White Sox do.

        • TK

          The point is that there’s really nothing that is going to change in the next couple years in regards to performance (W/L). The move from Sveum to Renter is irrelevant, except to a “few” guys who will now be able to take their ass-rippings directly from the Manager instead of through a coach (translating). Its an asthetic remodel to give the appearance of progress when none is actually achieved. Its like dressing up shit . . . its still shit, it still stinks, and it tastes bad no matter how you dress it up. And I firmly believe that the intent (of firing Sveum) all along was to get Girardi long term. Otherwise, no move, considering the names FO interviewed, could seriously be considered “progress” as “progress” cannot be made until the skill level at the MLB level increases significantly. This whole ordeal, because Girardi stayed in NY, equates to nothing more than a big [yawn]. Renter is basically here temporarily, and solely to help guys like Castro, Soler, etc… adjust until our roster is set (competitively), at which time we will make another run at a top notch proven winner of a manager. Basically, so what.

          • Chef Brian

            You eat alot of shit?

  • A_Mazz_Ing

    Wow Jon Greenberg says something smartass about the Cubs? What a shocker. He should just shut up and go back to being a Pirates fan.

  • JulioZuleta

    Saw that Greenberg piece last night. It was the last straw for me. He used to turn out some decent work but now, he seems to be consumed by his desire to be Jay Mariotti version 2.0 that his work has gone to complete garbage. His articles have become so predictably negative and worthless. Being realistic is one thing, writing junk like that to grab cheap headlines and make a name for yourself is something entirely different.

  • Question Man

    I’m sorry, but I do not get Keith Law’s joke. Can someone fill me in?

    • Tony_S

      Song lyrics, Santeria (I believe) by Sublime

    • JulioZuleta

      It’s a (weak) reference to the Sublime song “I don’t practice Santeria.” I didn’t get it at first either.

      • TWC

        Ah, so it’s a joke targeted at the late-90′s/early-2000′s frat boy set?

        Well, Law does know his demographic.

        • http://www.frenchrocks.net Ian Afterbirth

          Oh snap!!!

        • Tony_S

          Actually LOL’d, well done

        • Drew

          I would contest that Sublime is hardly a “frat-boy set”….. They weren’t some college campus dwellers by any means. They were a reggae, ska west-coast group.They also formed in the late 80′s and hit their peak in the mid 90′s after the lead singer OD’.

          • Cubbie Blues

            Sounds like someone struck a nerve.

            • hansman

              He can’t hear you through the 3 popped collars

              • TWC

                Larf.

          • Funn Dave

            They *weren’t* a frat boy set, but their music has since been appropriated as such. It’s still awesome music, but if you go to a Sublime with Rome show nowadays, it’s 90% “bros.”

          • MichiganGoat

            Yeah… and DMB is on par with The Grateful Dead and Phish… yeah

            • TWC

              Just stop that talk right now. Stop it.

              • Cubbie Blues

                If I were to bet, I would say DMB were better commercially than the Dead and Phish.

                • TWC

                  And Budweiser is better commercially than anything else on the planet.

                  • Cubbie Blues

                    What can I say, swill sells. Take Greenburg as exhibit ‘A’.

            • Funn Dave

              Ugh DMB is the worst….

              • TWC

                There was a moment in ’94-95, when I was a freshman in college in upstate NY, when that first DMB EP came out, that I didn’t hate it. But it’s been all suck from there.

                • YourResidentJag

                  Since they fired their producer, Steve Lillywhite…they’ve been stuck.

          • On The Farm

            What’s Sublime is that some kind of fruit or something?

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    • gocatsgo2003

      … I ain’t got no crystal ball… I had a million dollars, but I… I spent it all.

    • MightyBear

      I got the joke but its not funny. If that was the best joke, they need to stick to sports writing, which for some, is a joke.

    • Drew

      I thought it was an Allen Iverson reference. . .

  • Tony_S

    Had to read the KLaw tweet twice… Not bad, but I think he had to work too hard to set it up…

  • macpete22

    MLBtraderumors lists Barney as a non tender candidate. They also list Gamel

    • Blackhawks1963

      That’s idiotic. Barney is a hi-quality utility infielder type who was unfairly thrust into the role of everyday ballplayer. But if he is allowed to serve as a part-time infielder then his value to the Cubs commensurate with the salary he will command is a big-time value.

      Really tired of people ripping Barney in the media and otherwise. He didn’t ask to be a full-time 2nd baseman. Give the guy 200 at bats between shortstop and 2nd base and he is very valuable to the Cubs in 2014.

      • MightyBear

        He can play third as well.

      • http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/653cc0c5f0eded621ab13b4f631de7da.png Cizzle

        “Give the guy 200 at bats between shortstop and 2nd base and he is very valuable to the Cubs in 2014.” I’m all for giving him innings (in the field), it’s the at bats that are the problem….they’re not valuable at all.

      • Matt McNear

        Sorry, while I agree with most of your point, “He didn’t ask to be a full-time second baseman.”???
        Isn’t the goal of every ballplayer to be a starter? You think he’s sitting back right now saying, “If only they’d decrease my workload and make me a utility guy!”?
        Of course he asked for it! He worked his whole life for it!

  • Brian Peters

    Can we not stink bomb espn?

  • Blackhawks1963

    This is a good hire. Theo and Jed liked Renteria from the beginning and certainly gave themselves severals weeks to do their due diligence on the guy and allow themselves to be wowed by other candidates. In the end, they stuck with Renteria. So it’s not a knee-jerk hire, but rather a very well thought out hire.

    The critics claim Renteria isn’t sexy or a “big name.” Well, we already hired two big names in Dusty and Sweet Lou, and both were disastrous hires to be perfecty honest. Both were provided strong rosters (albeit with flaws) and both left town in ugly fashion.

    Renteria gets high marks for his baseball acumen. He’s got a reputation as a strong teacher. And he’s a no-nonsense guy who puts the hammer down when called upon. He’s not inheriting a good roster (yet), but the pipeline of talent is very promising and he seems like a good choice to be part of the rising tide.

    And I’ll say this again (because, after all, I repeat myself)…the role of manager is too often overrated, ESPECIALLY by Cub fans. If Renteria can be the sort of manager that Francona was in Boston or Melvin is in Oakland under Billy Beane? Well then I think we have a guy who will be here for quite a long time.

    • hansman

      “both were disastrous hires to be perfecty honest.”

      Ya, 3 playoff runs out of those two was just HORRIBLE. Made Quade’s regime seem almost…crap, I can’t get myself to write amazing there.

      • Blackhawks1963

        Mike Quade has a rotten roster to work with. Pinella and Baker did not. Your comment is “exhibit A” for what I stated…Cub fans insanely and irrationally overrate the role of manager. The greatest manager in the history of baseball would not have produced a materially better won-loss record in 2012 and 2013 versus Dale Sveum. But of course your types like to sit in the armchair and bash the manager because it’s the lazy, easy way.

        Tell you what Professor…if you dont’ like my posts, then ignore my posts.

        • mjhurdle

          “Cub fans insanely and irrationally overrate the role of manager.”

          Again, your comment is Exhibit A for people that don’t follow baseball outside of their own teams.
          I have lived in many different baseball towns and in every one i have lived at, the local teams fans are consistently blaming the manager when the team loses, and praising them when the win.
          There is nothing Cub-specific about this.

        • Jono

          if you don’t like the way Cubs fans value managers, then ignore it. See how that works? You can’t tell others to not criticise you while you criticize them.

          • Jono

            oops, “criticize”

        • hansman

          You caught me, I overrate the role of the manager.

          • Jono

            My name is Jono. I overrate the role of the manager

        • BD

          Well that escalated quickly.

          • Coop

            I stabbed a guy with a trident.

        • http://www.bleachernation.com salesguy

          Hmmmm…Or, it could be that Mike Quade was a steaming pile of crap hire, who lost the clubhouse, and allowed the veteran inmates to run the aslyum, all the while ripping the young players, just sayin. In this case, I don’t think it’s overatted to say that Quade probably made that team 7-10 wins worse than it actually was, the team actually had at least some talent on paper, and I use the term “some” generously. Congrats to him though for making his firing one of the easiest decisions the FO had to make when they first came aboard.

          • Funn Dave

            Really? I don’t have much love for Quade, but it’s hard to see how he made us 7-10 losses worse.

            • BT

              That’s because he didn’t.

  • BD

    I think I see Renteria in the $1M/yr range, as opposed to the $4M/yr+ for the top managers.

    So that’s $3M more for player salaries, right? SIGN ALL TEH FLIPPABLE PLAYERS!

  • Jono

    Are the option years independent? Can the team pick up the fourth without deciding on the fifth?

    • TWC

      Or the fifth while skipping the fourth?

      • Jono

        You jerkass ;)

  • Crazyhorse

    Greenberg; “Winning, sadly enough, still isn’t an immediate goal at Clark and Addison. Ownership is more concerned about boutique hotels and “see-through” outfield signs. The baseball front office is working diligently on building a powerhouse farm system.

    Honestly that is the sad truth

    The bright spot is the farm system. The farm system is Theo, and in given time and a little luck of non injuries it will succeed. The shame that it is the only option.

    • Blackhawks1963

      So would it be your alternative to go out and sign free agents like BJ Upton, Josh Hamiltion, Dan Uggla, Nick Swisher, etc and still not be much better off in the won-loss column, but now saddled also with a bunch of ugly big dollar contracts?

      Or is your alternative to trade away blue chip prospects like Baez or Almora or Johnson for tired veterans?

      • 1060Ivy

        And ‘every season is sacred’ … ‘all revenue returns to baseball operations’ … ‘the checks in the mail’ … and ‘I won’t …

        There is a medium between putting out a AAA roster and signing every, big name free agent. Cubs signed Jackson last season as a piece of the puzzle.

        Would prefer a few more pieces are acquired in the offseason so the Cubs don’t continue their historic run of losses.

        • BT

          Names. Let’s hear names. Would BJ Upton have been on your list? Because it would have been a colossal mistake. Instead of vague complaints, who, specifically, makes sense? And not just after the fact guys who ended up having good years like Liriano.

          • Kyle

            It’s more than a bit one-sided to demand that anyone who thinks things could have been different go into highly detailed alternatives while the supporters can simply fall back on “exactly what happened is the best.”

            • SH

              Especially when “exactly what happened” is 5-6 years of consistently brutal major league play and the establishment of a farm system that any baseball man with 5-6 years of top picks could establish. When “success” is the lowest bar imaginable, how can BT lose!

            • BT

              Load. Of. Crap. Every time someone names an alternative, the people who are crying out that we didn’t sign someone invariably cry out “no, I’m not talking about him”. Or they name someone who came out of nowhere to have a great season.

              BJ Upton is the perfect example. He fits the “dual track” mold perfectly. He was young, would fit the teams timetable, and wasn’t 250 million dollars. But since he sucked monkey ass last year, suddenly people can’t use him as an obvious example. Of course NOW people don’t think it should have been Pujols or Hamilton or Upton. So who were the dual track guys we were supposed to sign? The only other guy who makes any sense was Sanchez, and it seems pretty clear he was using the Cubs to bid up the Tigers.

              It’s not an unreasonable request. What big name, impact guy would make sense for the Cubs to have signed?

              • Kyle

                If I say BJ Upton, and he sucks right now, does that prove that they shouldn’t have done it?

                When and if one of our prospects fails, will that prove that we shouldn’t have acquired that prospect?

          • When the Music’s Over

            I don’t get it.

            He can’t use examples like Liriano, but you can use examples like B.J. Upton?

            • Kyle

              Heads he wins, tails you lose. Seems fair.

              • BT

                How are those 2 remotely similar? I wasn’t pushing to sign Upton. YOU were (presumably). And you were wrong. You were not pushing to sign Liriano other than possibly taking a flyer on him, so in the context of this argument, he doesn’t fit. Certainly he was not an example of the Dual Track school of thought until he broke out this year. In that regard, he was no different than Feldman.

                I have to actually use a double standard before you can cluck about it.

                • Kyle

                  There’s no point going down this rabbithole, because the goalposts will change. They always do in these conversations

                  If I get you to nail down *exactly* what you want (say, for example, free agents that I, personally, advocated signing last offseason that went on to have good years in 2013), I doubt that will be enough.

                  • BT

                    Depending on who they were, they might be. If you advocated for Liriano, then I’d argue what philosophical difference there was between him and Feldman. If you’d say Upton, I’d say fine, you were wrong, but that’s not really the main issue. There are a finite number of 28-32 year old impact free agents that are available on the free agent market every year, and most of the ones that make it have warts. In short, I’d argue that you and ivy are arguing for an unattainable goal, to sign more free agents that don’t actually exist. Which is the main reason I’d like to see names, as opposed to vague descriptions, of people you’d like to see targeted. Not to see it their seasons proved you right or wrong, but to see if the type of players you are SPECIFICALLY clamoring for are really all that different than the player the Cubs are actually targeting.

                    It’s not an unfair question.

        • SH

          To be fair, you can’t win this one. Anyone who has played well is “hindsight.” Anyone who has played poorly “proves the point.” Tanking is all that’s left.

          • YourResidentJag

            Truer words have never been spoken.

          • BT

            If you have no basic reasoning skills, that is all that’s left.

      • Funn Dave

        If you pose your questions in such a ridiculous manner, you might as well not ask them at all.

    • Cub Fan Dan

      Well Im content that winning consistently, fortunately enough, IS the long term goal at Clark and Addison.

    • http://www.draftday.com udbrky

      in your opinion, how well did the previous ways the Cubs did things work?

    • Matt McNear

      Just because the Ricketts are concerned with increasing their opportunities to make money, they don’t care about baseball? Reality is that there is a lot more to the business of baseball than fielding a team, and they walked into a mess! These guys are all doing what they said they were going to do, and have spent quite a bit of money on baseball operations (The new Latin American facilities, Soler, 2013 IFA class, Jackson, the bids on: Darvish, Cespedes, Sanchez). These sardonic assholes (read: Wittenmeyer, Greenburg, etc.) that want to rip the actions taken, while saying they support the rebuild, are either dumb or trying to make headlines.

      • Corey

        Bingo. They lack critical thinking.

        Why would the owners focus on making money, and Theo focus on the farm system?

        It’s simple. The owners have to make money, to pay the players in the farm system.

        Goldberg or whatever the hell his name is just wanted to pot shot his “team.”

  • Johnnie A

    Based on the picture in this post I conclude Rick Renteria just could be the jolliest Cubs manager since Herman Franks.

    • D-Rock

      I was thinking that too. Every picture I have seen of him has his mouth open like that. I want to see a pissed off look for once. I will settle for this stache pic. Not sure if it is real or doctored. 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      • Jon

        It really is an awful picture. It looks like he has a mild case of downs, or a stroke or something.

        • TWC

          Did you feel left out with all that sort of bullshit yesterday, Jon? Feel the need to get your 2¢ in, too?

        • Cubbie Blues

          Just when I didn’t think your opinions could get any worse, you prove me wrong.

          • DarthHater

            Oh, ye of little faith. I have every confidence that Jon has a lot more in him than that.

            • Jon

              Hey, I’m not the one that keeps posting the awful picture of Renteria. Just a find a new one already. It’s not flattering.

  • itzscott

    “Exhaustive” is subjective.

    Just because a search is considered exhaustive by someone doesn’t mean it’ll be successful.

    I’m kind of suspicious in that Renteria is in his 50′s, was never considered for manager in the past by other teams and none of us knew anything about him (or even heard of him).

    So why is he suddenly such a hot commodity, if at all? It seems only the Cubs and Mariners kicked his tires in all his years.

    I’m truly hoping for the best but I have a hard time not feeling that he’s just another dart being tossed at a dart board by the Cubs.

    • BD

      Every managerial hire is a dart being thrown at a dart board. The only time that isn’t true is with the established, top of the line managers. They are rarely available, so you have to pick from everyone else.

      If baseball people say that he is smart and a great teacher, and the Padres (especially players) are sad to see him leave, I tend to think there is something good about him that we can be optimistic about seeing in the near future.

    • Blackhawks1963

      Why does Renteria have to be a “hot commodity” or a rock star to be the right fit for the Cubs? Why does he have to be a handsome 30-something up and comer? We’re hiring for the manager of the Chicago Cubs, not a pinup boy who will do entertaining TV commercials in between innings and make for great quotes during his press conferences.

      I keep reading also where people are unhappy that Davey Martinez wasn’t the hire. Why? Martinez has now interviewed for 6 different jobs in the last 3 years and NOBODY has hired him to be manager. So people want the Cubs to hire Martinez because he’s handsome and has learned at the right hand seat of the well respected Joe Maddon?!? Well Renteria has learned from Dave Dombrowski and Jack McKeon in Florida…and he’s learned from the well respect Bud Black in San Diego…and he’s been a minor league manager…and a major league coach… But people don’t like him because he’s not a male model and is 51 years old? Well Davey Martinez is 48 years old. And Sandberg is 54 years old and just got hire for the first time.

      Every manager starts somewhere. I like this hire.

      • Jono

        “(Martinez) has learned at the right hand seat of the well respected Joe Maddon?!? ”

        Yes, that’s exactly why. But I’m not disappointed with Renteria, either. I don’t know enough about him to have strong feelings either way. But I’m optimisitc.

        • Blackhawks1963

          Then why have 6 teams said NO to Davey Martinez? Sure, it’s a positive that Davey has worked for Maddon. But that obviously isn’t getting him very far, now is it.

          And Rick Renteria? Well this offseason is the first time he’s been a candidate for a manager job in the bigs, and guess what he just was hired to be a big league manager on his first try. And Seattle and Detroit also interviewed him.

          • Jono

            Six teams saying no doesn’t mean that I shouldn’t like him to manage the Cubs. Success doesn’t come easily. Sometimes successful people hear lots of “no” before they succeed.

          • Funn Dave

            If you apply to six sub shops and they don’t hire you, does it mean that you’re bad at making subs? No, it means that there are others out there who are better (in the eyes of those six shops), and there’s no reason to think that a sub place that does hire you would be making a mistake.

  • The Dude Abides

    As soon as I read Renteria was recovering from surgery I knew Theo had found his guy…

    • Tony_S

      Ha!

    • Blackhawks1963

      That’s a productive comment.

      • Funn Dave

        You’re right, posting virtually identical managerial predictions was much more productive :P

    • Jono

      hahaha.

    • Fishin Phil

      They looked for someone coming off TJS, but this is as close as they could get. ;)

    • YourResidentJag

      That’s really not funny.

    • Teigh Cubs Teigh

      Looks like there’s a new winner in the joking contest.

    • Funn Dave

      Lighten up, eveybody. Great joke; 10/10.

      • YourResidentJag

        Until you realize what’s it’s like to go through hip surgery…double hip surgery. Then, not so much…

        • Funn Dave

          But he’s not laughing at the hip surgery. He’s laughing at the fact that hiring an injured manager seems in line with the habit of hiring injured players. Just pointing out a coincidence. I don’t think anyone thinks medical conditions are funny. Except of course for the one in South Park that gave people butts for faces. That was funny.

          • DarthHater

            Until you realize what it’s like to have a buttface. Then, not so much…

            • Cubbie Blues

              Isn’t that the one where Ben Affleck ended up being their long lost son?

              [img]http://south-park.su/episodes/EPISODS/Season_5/510_image_10.gif[/img]

          • YourResidentJag

            Hiring an injured manager….I think that says it all. Somehow, Dave, I just don’t think you’re all that Funn…I could be wrong, though.

        • Tony_S

          Preloaded excuse for why 2014 isn’t The year?

          It was more a joke about the FO’s selections than anything about the man’s hip surgery. Another way to look at it, he could have had an ingrown toenail removed, or cosmetic surgery of some sort, the joke still plays.

          Take some deep breaths, count to 10… Just like I tell my 3 yr old.

          • YourResidentJag

            Really you’re comparing hip surgery with an ingrown toenail? So, were you on board with the FO selections in 2012, then?

            • Funn Dave

              It’s okay to have a laugh now and again. You act as though his hip surgery is some sacred, secret part of his life, and that any reference to it is somehow irreverent or disrespectful toward Rick. It isn’t. It’s ok to find the humor in serious situations.

              • YourResidentJag

                So, it’s no big deal, then? If that’s the case, why are we going to great lengths through jokes and recurrent statements to “try” to find the humor in it???

            • TWC

              Hey, Lou, did your hip surgery pain meds wear off or are they just obfuscating your ability to detect a mild, tongue-in-cheek joke about the Cubs’ sordid history of signing recently-injured players?

              • YourResidentJag

                So, while were at it, aren’t jokes really then some implication of your questioning of the FO selections and the FO themselves? Funny, TWC, I thought the same with you and your problems with nativists??? So, why do you consider non-nativist remarks not tongue-in-cheek? And why does that bother YOU SO MUCH to the Nth degree since you started this “game of words” and all?

                • TWC

                  Ha. I think I like you more than I thought, Lou.

          • Funn Dave

            This.

            • YourResidentJag

              That.

    • willis

      Heehee, that’s funny, no matter what others say. Good stuff.

  • kielovher

    A guy coming off major surgery that nobody else wanted? Here’s your Cubs uni.

  • Justin

    Good luck Slick Rick. Honestly, I don’t know shit about Renteria, but hope he can help Castro and Rizzo be at all star level NEXT yr. That’s priority #1. Brett, I am looking forward to the updated Renteria picture so I never have to look at the pic above again;)

  • Jon

    What “prospects” has Renteria developed?

    • Blackhawks1963

      Facepalm.

      Ah yes, another comment to suggest that a manager is to blame if a prospect doesn’t pan out in the majors. Will ignorance and stupidity know no end.

      But in case you are wondering, Renteria is credited for assisting Chase Headley in San Diego. Obviously Headley succeeded because of Headley, but Rick got good marks for his work with the 3rd baseman.

      • mjhurdle

        Hey professor, if you don’t like Jon’s post, then why not just ignore it?

      • Justin

        Why is “What “prospects” has Renteria developed?” a facepalm response from you? Like I said above I know nothing about Renteria and would love to hear about what he’s done with other top prospects. And yes, I know the bulk of a prospects work and development is not something a mgr can influence…

      • Jon

        I agree that managers often get too much of the blame a prospect doesn’t going to pan out, but if you are going to pimp Renteria as this prospect development savant, I was hoping to see some examples.

      • Funn Dave

        Oh, so a manager can get credit for Headley doing well, but never has any responsibility for a prospect’s lack of development?

    • Jono

      Just to throw some names out there, not that I know they developed with the padres

      Headley, Hundley, Cabrera, Maybin, Alonso

      Again, I’m just throwing out names. I don’t know that all these guys developed with the padres

      • Justin

        Headley was obviously awesome in 2012, but I was hoping for some bigger names:), but thanks.

        • Jono

          Yeah, Maybin and Alonso are still works-in-progress. But Cabrera was very underrated in 2013. He was a damn good player. Also a SS, like Castro.

          • Justin

            Yeah, the Cabrera improvement was pretty awesome the last 2 yrs and was actually the first thing that popped into my head. Let’s hope it was more Slick Rick influence than PED influence for him!

    • Cub Fan Dan

      I cant say Im an expert on Renteria’s influence but the progression of guys like Everth Cabrera, Gyorko, Wil Venable, Tommy Medica to name a few are pretty good to start with.

  • Big Daddy

    Sadly, it doesn’t matter who they hire. He will be fired in a couple of years. The Cubs are at least 2 years away from being relevant. I am not bashing the plan, but it is reality. I believe Theo is doing this the right way. The whole organization was really bad before he took over. I hope by 2015 we start to see results, but Renteria probably won’t be part of it. I hope I am wrong because he seems like a really good guy.

    Has anyone else noticed how everything revolves around Castro? I am wondering if he shouldn’t be traded.

    • Fishin Phil

      “I hope by 2015 we start to see results, but Renteria probably won’t be part of it.” Are you saying Renteria will be gone after one year?

      • Big Daddy

        Sorry, meant 2016.

        • Fishin Phil

          Well, at least that makes more sense. I don’t agree, but I like your math much better now. :)

          • Big Daddy

            So, you think he will be around, the Cubs will be winning, or both?

            • Fishin Phil

              Hoping to see them actually field a competitive team in 2015. What do I base this hope on?? Not a damn thing, I’m an irrational Cub fan. :)

              • Big Daddy

                I hope you are right.

        • YourResidentJag

          With Theo and Jed, then, right?

    • Aaron

      I’m not willing to write him off yet. If the players aren’t where they need to be by 2016, then sure, he wasn’t right for the job. But if things are turned around and the Cubs are meeting their internal expectations, then there is no reason to think he’ll be fired. I believe the same expectations were there for Sveum, but they believed he wasn’t the guy to build the team into a contender.

    • Funn Dave

      “Sadly, it doesn’t matter who they hire. He will be fired in a couple of years.”

      Um, no. If they had gotten, say, Girardi, and he showed promise with the players despite having a bad lineup that doesn’t do very well, they’d keep him on. I like to think the same is true of Renteria.

  • Johnnie A

    if you trust Theo and Jed then you have to believe they did their due diligence and have made a good decision here based on available information and options. Good decisions don’t always work out. If you are down on the FO then you can be very skeptical of this choice. Personally, I’m in between. I want to trust them but the choice doesn’t excite me. I am completely neutral on Renteria and will judge him by performance. Not necessarily wins and losses but I do hope to see positive progress in important areas even if it may not be “linear”.

  • Popeye

    Wanna win ball games? Hire a hitting coach that can get guys hitting above .250, and hitting with runners on base. Then sign a couple of front line pitchers. Simple.

    • TWC

      Get a hitting coach that teaches players to hit with runners on base.

      You’re serious?

      That’s adorable.

      • Fishin Phil

        You can order them through Amazon. Order before 12/1/13 and get free shipping!

    • mjhurdle

      so very very simple….

  • Popeye

    How has the offense progressed under our hitting coaches? Take a look at
    Rizzo and Castro, changing things that were working, and turning our “core” into mediocre at best.

    • Fishin Phil

      I am not a fan of our current hitting coach, but I’ll wait and see who Renteria wants in the job.

    • Blaakhawks1963

      The adage goes that when a position player makes it to the big leagues he already is largely defined as a hitter. The role of a hitting coach is to work with those players who are receptive to learning on tweaks and adjustments. The role of a hitting coach is not to teach somebody how to hit. It is my OPINION, that a hitting coach can’t teach “patience” or on-base %. Rather it’s inherently in a player’s baseball DNA or it is not.

      The best hitting coaches seem to be those who can help out otherwise gifted hitters with making adjustments and getting back to their historic mechanics when battling a slump.

      • Mike F

        definition of why Castro should be traded. You keep arguing coaching doesn’t matter and your going to box yourself into a corner that the only thing that matters is the front office and the plan. That might be a bigger problem for you than you think if you’re right and they sit tight for a couple of years and pile up losses.

  • waffle

    benefit of the doubt. he sounds like a good fit.

  • Popeye

    Me too. I’m just saying, that the Cubs hitting has stunk for the last couple of years. I do believe that coaches do make a difference (not on the field as much, but off of the field, with technique and philosophy). That is why we have coaches. If I don’t do my job up to a standard, I get replaced. They haven’t done their job, well. As far as signing a couple of pitchers, if you could sign even one, that bumps everyone back a notch, which strengthens the bullpen as well.

  • cubfanincardinalland

    Couldn’t disagree with Greenbergs article more. Renteria is coming into a great situation. Low expectations and lots of young talented players on the way.
    Ask yourself this Jon, why would someone like Joe Girardi have seriously considered leaving the Yankees to come to the Cubs? Because he is a very smart guy and sees the huge upside this team has.
    Just another Cub hack story, which is standard operating procedure the last year. They will all be the first to jump on the bandwagon and tell us how they knew the Cubs were doing things the right way, once the teams fortunes change. Lazy writing really, feeding the Cub trolls who love to see them fail.

  • The Dude

    Why all the angst over the Greenberg article? He’s not stating anything that isn’t common knowledge and he gives credit where it’s due with respect to the rebuilding effort. He’s a witty smart-ass, and I find him to be an entertaining read.

    • YourResidentJag

      Witty. Hardly.

  • Bea Arthur Jr.

    I find both Greenberg and all the criticisms about this hire to be a little outrageous.

    Sure, Girardi would have been nice. Or maybe Ausmus could have been a superstar. Personally, I wish Tory Luvollo had been interviewed. However, to base my excitement for him off a great Fan Graphs interview is as absurd as people comparing Quade to Renteria. Or as odd as a journalist, who now claims knowledge of the whole process, questioning Renteria’s morals because he changed his first name after his playing days from Rich to Rick. Yeah, that’s important.

    Quade was a bad manager (anyone endorsed by Dempster is an issue) and had bad talent. Is it me or didn’t someone have to take a chance on Pinella originally? Francona and Torre were viewed as failures. Dusty, in his playing days, never struck me as a guy who could manage (insert your own opinion here). And while the fan in me wanted Joe G to come home, be smart about this.

    They interviewed every viable candidate. If reports are to be believed, Renteria was their guy. I trust Theo and Jed and Jason. Was Dale a mistake? Maybe. I still believe Mike Maddux was their guy. Dale wasn’t a bad manager per se, it was the situation that did him in. And of course that could happen to Renteria. Still, if the front office believes he will good, why not give him 2-3 seasons and see. I’m curious on his beliefs on pitch counts and sacrifice bunts. And he wants to run more (just who can actually do that is in flux). I love his abilities to communicate and that he has plan (lots of plans on this team) for young guys. How refreshing to have a manager who will play his young guys? No more crappy 33 year olds playing because a manager likes them while they hit .208. A guy who can talk to his players.

    His coaching staff will be key and the loss of McKay will hurt a lot. Derek Johnson is still the organization and Bosio is coming back. Maybe Les Strode too (not sure what he has done well per se, but the team likes him). The hitting coach will be key. The Cubs had 2.4 hitting coaches last year with Rowson, Deer, and Dale. I was astonished by that staff. No clear idea what to do. Bosio actually has been quite good.

    And please, no one cry for Ryno. If anyone ever hires Davey Martinez, what will that lineup card exchange look like? Ryno won’t deck him…but…

    I like the hire, I don’t yet love it. But to condemn them? Please.

    If there is that much anger, doesn’t the Bears defense need it? Or the Bulls? Or the Dolphins?

    I’m just as annoyed anyone else about 105 years and rooftops. But this isn’t an error. Now, go get some real money for TV rights.

    • Fishin Phil

      “If there is that much anger, doesn’t the Bears defense need it? Or the Bulls? Or the Dolphins?”

      I’m up for directing some at the Bears defense. They stink this year.

  • Popeye

    Hey Blaakhawks, I never thought that I would say this, but I agree with you, kinda. I think that it has been very well noted that the Cubs hitting coaches “changed some things” this year with Castro. It caused him to regress, beyond where he has ever been, since being in the MLB. Apparently they do change things. But, I do agree with you that coaches should be able to “help out otherwise gifted hitters with making adjustments and getting back to their historic mechanics when battling a slump”. So, looking back, how did our staff do?

  • Koyie Hill Sucks

    I feel a bit better about this hire than the Quade and Sveum hire but I think the result will be the same and he will be gone in a couple of years.

    Everytime a new manager is hired most cubs fans imo get way to excited about the hire like with Sveum or Renteria. In reality Renteria has just as little managerial credibility as Sveum. I would understand the excitement if someone with a track record like Girardi would of been hired but not over someone like Renteria.

  • When the Music’s Over

    I really don’t understand all the outrage concerning the Greenberg article. Is it a pessimistic take, focusing mostly on the negatives of the past few years (there is a lot to draw from in that department)? Yes. Is he a sarcastic ahole? Yes. Is this article a sorta rinse, wash, repeat of previous articles? Yes.

    On the other hand, is he really wrong about anything? Not really. For some people, that hurts.

    • Cubbie Blues

      “I really don’t understand all the outrage concerning the Greenberg article. Is it a pessimistic take, focusing mostly on the negatives of the past few years (there is a lot to draw from in that department)? Yes. Is he a sarcastic ahole? Yes. Is this article a sorta rinse, wash, repeat of previous articles? Yes.”

      I think you answered your own questions.

      • When the Music’s Over

        So if reading those types of articles generates such venomous reactions from certain people, why read them at all? Just exclusively search out the peaches and cream fluff pieces and call it a day.

        • YourResidentJag

          Maybe, because ppl didn’t expect it from Greenberg.

        • DarthHater

          If you don’t like people’s venomous reactions, why don’t you just ignore them?

          • When the Music’s Over

            “I really don’t understand all the outrage concerning the Greenberg article.”

            I’m trying to understand the psyche that get’s that worked up from an opinion article about the Cubs, especially when a lot of the reactions are from people that state they now expect Greenberg to write this way.

    • bbmoney

      He’s wrong to write off a manager before he’s even been introduced. It’s a stupid thing for an actual journalist to do so blatantly. If posters here want to do it, that’s fine. But for a journalist’s opening line to be “The Chicago Cubs are expected to name Rick Renteria as the 53rd ex-manager in team history Thursday.” Is pretty stupid.

      • When the Music’s Over

        He was definitely on the more negative side about Renteria, but I don’t think he wrote off Renteria just because of Renteria. Whether right or wrong, I think he did more so because of the Cubs front office/ownership. More or less, he’s considering Renteria another rental/fall guy.

        In any case, I still don’t understand the outrage. A negative reaction, sure. Disagreements, sure. In the end, it’s an opinion piece. That’s it. Nothing real occurred. No atrocities. No real impact on anyone’s life.

        • YourResidentJag

          Congrats, Rick. We hardly knew ye.

        • Tony_S

          Since you mentioned no impact on someone’s life, look at it this way: this is, possibly, this man’s shot at greatness. He didn’t make it big (relatively) as a player, now he will be THE face of a franchise, regardless of the warts on that franchise.

          You tell your wife, maybe your inlaws, a few cousins, and they’re confused because this article says you got fired, not hired. Grandma doesn’t understand and begins to cry…

          Say whatever you want about the Cubs (or any team), they’re (generally) billion-dollar soulless corporations.

          But what Greenberg did was essentially shit on this man’s day, his one day to shine (although I’m sure getting drafted first round was nice, too, but hopefully the point still carries) which is an asshole move as a journalist with Greenberg’s exposure (vs us on a msg board, as someone else said).

          I sincerely and without malice hope that answers your question. Let the man have a day, ONE DAY to revel in the fact he’s just been named the manager of a Major League Baseball team.

          Pretty much Fuck Greenberg.

          • When the Music’s Over

            If Renteria’s day or month or year or whole tenure with the Cubs is ruined by an opinion article penned by Jon Greenberg for ESPN Chicago, then shit has already gone terribly wrong and he is indeed an awful hire.

            • YourResidentJag

              Couldn’t he have waited to pen such a snarky article say in Nov 2015, though, if things got worse under Renteria?

              • When the Music’s Over

                Sure, he could have waited, but journalism, as shitty as it is, on average, in today’s world would be pretty damn boring if every single article was written in hindsight. Was it sorta unfair, sure. Could he be wrong, sure. But he could also be right. That’s the whole essence of opinion pieces, it’s an opinion.

                Again, this is me trying to understand why people are in essence morphing this into a personal attack. Overall, I guess I just can’t grasp how sensitive people are about an article written by Jon Greenberg about Rick Renteria, a guy I’m going to guess no one knows personally or even through other people, yet somehow the need to vehemently defend the guy occurs.

                • YourResidentJag

                  Or it was a more comprehensive, thought-out reflection of what transpired between now and 2015? But you’re right, lazy journalists, like Greenberg, shouldn’t give in to that sort of writing….I disgress.

                  • YourResidentJag

                    *digress.

          • YourResidentJag

            Now, this I agree with.

            • Tony_S

              :D Cats and dogs!

  • The Logos

    Brett -

    Can I ask a quick question? You said Renteria did not get competing offers. How can you be so sure about that? From everything I have read, the overall implication seems to be that the Renteria hiring was done was weeks ago after the Cubs were rebuffed the first (and only) time on Lovullo.

    If that’s the case, another team could have offered him a contract, then the Cubs upped the ante. All behind closed doors.

    Am I wrong?

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

      Theoretically, perhaps, but I think what Brent is getting at is that all other jobs are filled and that Renteria was not serious linked to any of the other jobs as a guy getting an offer.

      The Cubs did not have to outbid, say, Seattle, to land him. Seattle has already picked a manger.

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