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St_Louis_CardinalsFantasy leaguers: immediately draft/keep/pick up Peter Bourjos for the 2014 season. He’s going to be a steal.

According to multiple reports, the Angels and Cardinals are on the verge of a deal that would send center fielder Peter Bourjos to the Cardinals for third baseman David Freese, though there may be other pieces involved. The Angels had been looking for a third baseman, and were known to be making Bourjos available in trade (the Cubs may have had some interest, given their theoretical opening in center field). Bourjos is a Gold Glove caliber center fielder, but has been intermittently light with the bat. That will change imminently.

As for Freese, he was down in 2013, and has two more years of arbitration left, in which he’ll get a bump from his $3.15 million salary this past year. There’s a fair chance he’ll bounce back next year, but the Cardinals could afford to move him with Matt Carpenter and Kolten Wong presumably handling second and third base.

I’ll have more on this as it comes out. This really might be a trade-happy offseason.

UPDATE (1:36pm CT): Sounds like there are prospects involved in the deal, too. Hard to say who will get the better end of the prospect stick, since Bourjos is younger, cheaper, and offers an extra year of control over Freese. On the other hand, Freese is a year removed from being one of the most valuable third basemen in baseball, and was very good the year before, too. On the balance, you’d hope the Angels were getting the better prospect(s).

UPDATE 2 (1:47pm CT): Rosenthal says the Cardinals are getting Randall Grichuk, a 22-year-old outfield prospect. He was a first rounder in 2009, but hasn’t really torn it up as he’s progressed to AA. The Angels are getting Fernando Salas, who is not a prospect, but is an arbitration-eligible reliever. He could be a good one, but it’s another area of strength for the Cardinals. The deal makes sense for both sides, and the Cardinals likely just improved quite a bit without digging into their prospect stable. Grumble.

  • cubfanincardinalland

    I am convinced the cardinals have photos of Jerry dipoto engaged in s&m with underage midget hookers. But, hey he picked up a butcher fielding, over 30, off the wagon alcoholic, with a bad back, so what is not to like! And all he had to give up is a 26 year old gold glove caliber cf who can steal 50 bases. Un freaking believable.

    • http://www.hookersorcake.com hookersorcake

      Didn’t the Cardinals get another CF once upon a time from the Angels, Jim Edmonds? And wasn’t Edmonds traded to the Padres for Freese? Who has now been traded for another Angels CFer?

      • Cardfan

        Circle of Life, baby!!!

        • DarthHater

          Hakuna Matata, what a wonderful phrase
          Hakuna Matata, ain’t no passing craze
          It means screw the Cardinals for the rest of your days
          It’s our problem free philosophy, Hakuna Matata. ;-)

          • Cardfan

            …I have no response to that…

  • Voice of Reason

    Too bad we didn’t do dice on bourjas and revolve a trade around him and trumbo and shark.

    Then get Jackson from.tigers.

    An outfield of trumbo and.bourjas and Jackson next year. All cheap and.all fairly young.

    • On The Farm

      I am glad that they didn’t do that. I don’t see all the Bourjos love. I definitely don’t get the Trumbo love. A 27 going to be 28 OF who has watched his K% climb over the last two years from ~21% -> ~26% -> ~27%. No, but thank you.

      • On The Farm

        I should say that I don’t think Bourjos is bad, but I wouldn’t want him as the center piece for Samardijza

        • Voice of Reason

          Who said bourjas would have been the center piece? I said the trade would evolve around trumbo shark and bourjas.

          • MichiganGoat

            Why so big on Trumbo he’s a 1B forced to the OF because of Pujols. I understand he’s a 2 bWAR player but I just don’t see him has a huge improvement that would be worth giving up much to get him.

          • YourResidentJag

            You don’t want to see what the Cubs can do with Olt. I would think if he can rebound, he’d be as good as what you’d have to do to trade for and then find a position for with Trumbo.

            • Voice of Reason

              Olt Plays third. Trumbo plays outfield and first. You can play t at third and could put trumbo in outfield.

    • jon

      Does anyone see the irony in VOR, who consistently cries about trading for Cargo because of health concerns, pining for the Cubs to trade their best asset for Bourjas, whos played 150 games the past two seasons?

      • Voice of Reason

        Bourjas isn’t making $20 million dollars in the final year of his contract.

        Big difference in bourjas and cargo and that difference is the money each is being paid.

        • MattM

          Voice of Reason I totally agree with you on this. If Theo is big on value like it says he is then he makes a Shark Trumbo trade tomorrow. This guy would give us production without killing our payroll.

          On top of that you guys probably don’t agree with me but Shark is OVERRATED! We should get the best value from him now and that means trading him for Trumbo!

          You could trade shark for Trumbo then sign Granderson to a 3 year 30 mil deal which still gives us value. Move Scherholtz to Center to platoon with Lake and you have a 10 WAR outfield for CHEAP!

          You could easily make up for Shark by signing Feldman and Haren, and we have absolutely upgraded the team while staying way below the budget cap! How is that not something they are looking at!

          On top of that left field and right field are two areas we could upgrade while NOT blocking any of our prospects. In my opinion Soler has lost value and his contract will be a hinderance in a trade so why not bring in Trumbo!

          • DocPeterWimsey

            Why do you want Trumbo on the Cubs? His .234/.294/.453 is not exactly impressive. He has no batting eye, and even if his rising K rate does not is not statistically significant as a rise, it is well over 25% and not apt to get any better. If he could play an adequate 3B, then he might be an upgrade for the Cubs simply because he’ll post slightly better than MLB average OPS for a 3rd baseman. However, he really would be in danger of hurting himself there. And he’d put up (at best) league average OPS in LF.

            So, if Theo is big on value, then he won’t want Trumbo. Trumbo would be valuable only if he could play MI, CF or C; where he can play, he has (at best) average value. As Shark has more than average value as a SP, it would be a bad deal for the Cubs.

            • Voice of Reason

              No value in Trumbo?

              Oh, let’s see, a 27 year old who has hit 29, 32 and 34 home runs in his first three years in the bigs (increasing every year) AND made $540,000 last year has GREAT VALUE! His RBI’s have also increased each of the three years. I think most teams could find a place in their line up for his bat. He has other batting numbers that are declining, but he has others that are increasing… AND HE’S 27!!!

              That value would be effected by what we would have to get up to get him. I certainly wouldn’t trade Shark straight up for him.

              I’m just saying when you look at all the factors there is certainly value!

              • Jason P

                The home runs are the only reason he even has fringe average value. He has no OBP and plays poor defense, which almost if not completely cancels out any good he does with his power.

                • MichiganGoat

                  Exactly he has no place to play defensively, he’s been declining each year and we’d have to trade to get him- no thanks. If all you are looking at is RBI & HR I understand why you think he has value but you should reevaluate how you evaluate players.

                  • Mattm

                    Lol actually Im looking at his WAR which takes everything you guys have said into account including his position and he still provides value.

                    Last year in the outfield he provided 2.2 WAR. How is that not value? On top of that he makes very little money!

                    Who do we have to play left? What did left provide us in terms of WAR last year?

                    • MattM

                      Now….What is so great about Samardjia? 1 WAR never been above two WAR. He also makes a lot more than Trumbo…… Oh not to mention he has gotten greedy and wants a huge contract even though he has not earned it…. NICE!!!!

                      You guys love this kid because we drafted him etc…Ok….Big whoop….

                      Trumbo provided value in a highly offensive position!

                      Hey here is a cool fact! Baseball Reference has a similar pitchers through his age right now and number one is Juan Cruz! Awesome!

                      I guarantee ALL OF YOU that by the end of next year we will wish we got Trumbo for him! He will NOT be here when we start to win and he will try to STEAL 90 plus million from us. Definitely not worth that!

                    • MichiganGoat

                      Alright Matty you are correct you are flawless and I bow down to your wisdom.

                    • MichiganGoat

                      But you keep calling Trumbo an OF but the vast majority of his starts are at first and the WAR you listed is his overall bWAR not his OF WAR.

                    • DarthHater

                      LF provided the Cubs approximately 2.4 fWAR last year.

                    • DarthHater

                      Trumbo’s WAR would be lower if any team was foolish enough to try to make him a full-time LF.

                    • MichiganGoat

                      Trumbo has barely played left field and they are the worst of his splits. His value is at 1B where his defense doesn’t negatively impact his WAR, a quick look at defensive splits shows you a player that has no business in the outfield.

                    • Mattm

                      Michigan Goat it doesn’t matter what anyone says to you because you can’t see past your own nose to see anything anyway! I’m sure before Soriano was moved to left everyone thought gee OMG we shouldn’t do that!

                      Trumbo actually has experience out there and possibly could benefit from playing a consistent position. He played MORE in right field than left last year.

                      DieHard I guess I must have needed to be clearer. AFTER Soriano left what production did we get from Left Field? I assumed you understood the question because I said “who do we have to play left.”

                      BTW not one person has refuted what I said about Shark. I think you all know this to be true as well. I do NOT want us to sign him to a contract he would want and if we don’t trade him now we will wish we did before the end of the season!

            • Voice of Reason

              Boston is trying to land Trumbo to play first base. Guess they noticed that he hit over 30 home runs last year and is making about a half million dollars and is just 27!

              The Cubs should be trying to land Trumbo! Maybe he’s our future first baseman? Or, maybe he ends up in the outfield.

              No matter what, he is young and hits homeruns and comes with a very friendly salary.

              • YourResidentJag

                Nah. Boston will give up some SP for that, which the Cubs don’t have.

  • Blackhawks1963

    Wow. St. Louis and Mozeliak fleeced Anaheim and DiPoto. This is a big deal positive trade for the Cardinals. Bourjos is a vacuum cleaner in the outfield too. And they get a frontline prospect too. Freese meanwhile was a late blooming “prospect” who is very replaceable.

    I guess this is part of the reason why the Cardinals are the Cardinals.

    • JL

      They didn’t get a front line prospect.

  • AdamAE24

    Do you think the Cubs will make a big move this offseason?

    • jon

      No, but the good news is we’ll be rumored to be close on a bunch of them.

      • Die hard

        Another mindless dribble

  • Ruh roh

    I’m going to crap out a brick if St. Louis also signs Stephen Drew. Bourjos is a quality add for them, especially for the pricetag of an overrated and really not very good Freese.

    • Brains

      ruh roh is my term!

    • Die hard

      Bourjous will make AllStar game and Cubs will be shut out except for one obligatory pick

  • cubfanincardinalland

    Heard two things today. Word came down that the budget for major league club this season is 98 million. And Theo and Jed are not real happy campers. They have been burning the phone lines on possible deals, but they take some financial flexibility.
    A serious discussion with Baltimore has been going, Samardzija and Welly for Wieters and Bundy the meat of it.

    • jon

      I do that deal in a heartbeat.

    • Die hard

      Sources please.. Only serious posters allowed… Unfounded rumors banned unless originate with Brett

      • jon

        shut up

      • MichiganGoat

        Ha this coming from the King of unsupported rumors and make believe conspiracies.

        • Carew

          When is this guy gonna get banned

          • MichiganGoat

            Who are you wanting to ban?

            • Edwin

              Brett. Down with Brett, bring back Ace!

            • Carew

              I apologize. I meant die hard

              • MichiganGoat

                Nah die hard is too valuable to ban

                • TWC

                  No, he’s not.

                  • MichiganGoat

                    Don’t hate Dick Tidrow would not like you hating

                    • DarthHater

                      [img]http://weknowmemes.com/generator/uploads/generated/g1385167637979798492.jpg[/img]

                    • DarthHater

                      Grrr:
                      [img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7411/11001924515_7a7cb09060_m.jpg[/img]

                    • MichiganGoat

                      The force is not as strong as you think… and didn’t you get the memo – pics are no longer acceptable around here.

      • hansman

        Noone caught DieHard’s subtle dig at Brett?

        • mjhurdle

          im not sure anything DieHard has ever done could be described as ‘subtle’

          • hansman

            It was diehard subtle. Like an NHRA top fuel dragster at idle

            • Headscratchin

              Die Hard has to keep it at idle, otherwise we would be TOTALLY amazed with his predictions. Do you really want full power Die Hard?

        • baldtaxguy

          Not sure why this person still deserves all the attention.

    • itzscott

      Sounds plausible…. Jed & Theo love pitchers recovering from TJ surgery with an unknown prognosis and an unknown return to action time.

      Definitely fits their M.O.

      • Die hard

        The Ricketts own stock in MRI company

    • Jonathan

      No way the Orioles make that deal without more coming from the Cubs. This is a partial deal or a fantasy.

      • jon

        I think it’s pretty fair. Shark for Bundy doesn’t work straight up because of Bundy’s unknowns so Weiter’s balanced it out.

        Castillo actually outproduced Weiters last year.

      • mjhurdle

        No way the Cubs make this deal without more coming from the Orioles.
        Weiters can only live on “potential” for so long.

        • JulioZuleta

          Disagree. I think the CUbs would do that deal, provided they thought there was a chance of extending Wieters.

          • chrisfchi

            Who do you have as the starting catcher than? Resign Navarro or start Weiters and sign a backup?

        • jon

          Living on potential? He’s only 27 and arguably the 2nd best defense catcher in game after Molina.

          • Rich H

            And everyone seems to forget that Castillo is not much younger than Wieters.

        • Edwin

          Wieters was very good in 2011 and 2012. He had a down 2013, which looks mostly BABIP driven. Castillo has had one good year, but I think his BABIP is due to come down. I think it’s very likely that Wieters and Castillo wind up with similar numbers next year.

          Bundy is probably close enough to being MLB ready, that if he’s healthy, he could be up pretty soon in 2014. With the division they’re in, I’m not so sure Baltimore would try such an aggressive “win now” move like this, and risk giving up such a highly regarded talent like Bundy.

        • Jonathan

          Writers is a gold glove catcher who hits 20+ homer runs a year. He hasn’t lived up to the hype but when you look around I think he would still be considered one of the best catchers in baseball. Bundy was the top pitching prospect in baseball prior to tj. Granted recovery is always in question but he is still probably a top 30 or so prospect in all of mlb. Shark is a guy who throws hard but has been a mediocre starting pitcher. Castillo is a good catcher who hits for a decent average and has improving defense.

          I know it is normal for fans to over value their players but I don’t see the Orioles making this deal straight up. If they are willing the Cubs shouldn’t hesitate at all.

          From the Cubs end, I assume they would try to flip Writers as a guy who won’t sign an extension and is only a couple of years from free agency.

          • Jonathan

            Weiters….stupid spell check

    • Rich H

      I still think a 3rd base prospect will be involved. Especially if Baltimore goes all in on this being their window to compete.

    • Kyle

      Well, for one thing, we know for a fact that the Cubs don’t account for their budget that way. Front office is given a baseball budget, up to them how to split it between majors and elsewhere. And their budget was supposedly set awhile ago.

      But if this were true, I’d consider that good news. $98m would be more than I’m expecting them to spend on MLB payroll next year.

      • Reality Check

        if payroll hits 95M this year, that is really 70M since every team is getting 25M more from nat;l tv package. add in the 14M being paid to Sori and the team on the field will be at 56M.

        I think 2014 is going to be a super TANK job; the last one the FO and cheap ass owner can get away without Wrigley getting burned down.

        if shark goes; 103 losses is very possible; which would make 300 under theo.

        what’s the word i’m looking for here…………mr Rogers………..”shameful” is the word of the day.

        • roz

          You can’t just subtract $25M because every team is getting that much from the TV deal, that’s idiotic. The real important thing would be that they would have $95M less whatever they’re paying Soriano. You can’t just assume that the $25M that every team will get will be allocated in the exact same way and add the exact same value to every team, thereby making it moot. It’s not moot. It’s an extra $25M to do something with.

          • Reality Check

            you flunked math didn’t ya??

            if there is 25M more in revenue and the payroll does not go up; for instance the 2013 budget was 104M; so using 2013 numbers for 2014; the payroll should be 129M and there would not be 1 cent increase to the rickets.
            BUT; its not going up; its gonna come down so using the same method; if the 2014 payroll is 95M; it’s really 70M since the 25M is not coming out of revenues from tickets and concessions, etc. meaning the rickets who made 32M in 2012, prob more in 2013, let’s say 40M; could make 40M if payroll went up 25M; so since it’s not they will make more; which won’t go to the team, but to their pockets.

            its called backing into numbers. and the cheap bastards that own the team love doing it.

            your welcome.

            • MichiganGoat

              Or that 25M is being used else where such as paying down that debt they had to use to buy the team, front office investments, scouting expenses, or something else besides MLB payroll. Not ever dollar has to be spent on the MLB payroll. And no I’m not trying to diminish the frustration over that 25M being used to sign players but there are other ways it can be invested back into the team.

            • MichiganGoat

              You really seem to think that payroll is the only expense that the Cubs have don’t you?

              • Crazyhorse

                No,, Yet the Cubs have not added to payroll. they have subtracted. and the only free agent they have signed that can be considered adding to the 25 man roster was one of the worst signing last year . thank you MR Jackson and Mr Baker for a grand total of 18 million dollars. Those two failure cost the team one good baseball player

                • MichiganGoat

                  Again you are comparing the payroll of the Zell years (which was designed to inflate the selling price of the Cubs) to what might be the correct budget for a team that does not have a sweet TV/radio deal and the countless stadium advertising that other major market teams have. Pair that reality with the horrible debt deal Ricketts had to pay because of Zell, the stalled renovations that would bring in much needed revenue, and a huge investment into a front office that was previously one of the thinnest in baseball and you see a harsh reality. The Cubs are not as financially rich as you want to believe.

                  (preparing for the F**K TOU goat your just a KOOL aid sipper PR dipshit response instead of an honest discussion)

                  • Reality Check

                    let’s remember the cubs have the 4th or 5th highest revenue in baseball according to forbes or Bloomberg.
                    they ain’t broke. you really think either news media is that FAR off that the cubs are like 17th or 20th in revenue? where is the money going?

                    rickets knew Wrigley was 100 yrs old.
                    and he AGREED to the sucker’s plan proposed by zell for financing; he was not forced; he willingly said ok.

                    and the cubs made the most money in baseball in 2012 per Bloomberg.

                    they are tanking seasons on purpose. I get that.
                    doesn’t make it right or genius work. what it is for cubs fans is shameful.

                    • MichiganGoat

                      That is much better response and I can understand the frustration, but until we can see inside the books we will never know where the money is going. You might want to see it as another Robber Barron stealing from the working class and that fine but I prefer to look at things with a happier lens and believe there are more expenses than we fully understand and we can’t spend 150M on payroll. Call it half full/empty but Id rather not enjoy following a team that I’m violently disgusted by. I typically walk away from that which disgust me… the Cubs don’t disgust me.

                    • YourResidentJag

                      This is why if they don’t get a prime FA (which I don’t believe they will), the need to make this a season with the objective being clearly on getting the #1 draft pick. BTW, you’re going to hear this refrain from me throughout the offseason. Especially, you will hear it when we don’t sign guys like Guiterrez or Rajai Davis and they end up with other teams.

                    • Oswego Chris

                      I understand the frustration, and yes…Ricketts could have walked away from the deal…but if you r that close to your dream of owning the Cubs r u really gonna pass it up?

                      I do agree its time to quit tanking…we need some more MLB talent, or you better play Baez in June, give Olt a good shot at 3rd, and have at least one full-time Outfielder

                    • Oswego Chris

                      Cano is a great hitter, but for the kind of $ being talked about(and this is why I was against the Soriano signing from the beginning) you have to get a complete player…Cano’s defense has slipped a bit, still good…but you sign him for 7 or 8 years, and you might find yourself with a very expensive LF in 3-4 seasons…

                      His base running is sub-par, hits into lots of DPs for a left handed bat

                  • YourResidentJag

                    But would signing a big FA like Cano get them a better TV/radio deal?

                    • MichiganGoat

                      Only if it gets them to a sustainable playoff team, Cano can’t do that alone.

                    • YourResidentJag

                      Really? I can’t agree there at all. Cubs fans are ALWAYS looking for a reason to go to the ballpark. The interest generated from a big Cano signing is more than enough to market that with young players coming through the system.

                    • MichiganGoat

                      Yes Cano would boost the attendance but if he doesn’t live up to expectations (and those will be lofty) or the a Cubs don’t win that quick increase will go back to what it now expect we’d owe him 200M. Now if he can be had for 130-160 I’m all aboard but I doubt we can get him for that.

                    • MichiganGoat

                      The key the “Plan” is to build sustainable winners and the question is if Cano helps that (which it would in the NOW) or if it would hamper it in 4-5 years when the big TV contract comes up.

                    • Oswego Chris

                      Signing 31-32 year old free-agents is proving to be disastrous now that players seem to be aging like normal humans again

                    • MichiganGoat

                      And what Chris said

                    • YourResidentJag

                      Yet, according to Dave Cameron if the Cubs got him on a 6-7 yr deal it would be a solid acquisition. Not that I think we’ll get him, mind you.

                    • MichiganGoat

                      Cameron also had I price of 160M I think and I doubt that will happen.

                    • Oswego Chris

                      Focus on Tanaka…or trading for guys …

                    • Oswego Chris

                      Cano will get at least 200 million…if anything Jay-z will pay a team under the table so that he doesn’t have the shortest super-agent career ever…

                    • MichiganGoat

                      I also don’t really want the JayZ media circus that might come with Cano.

                  • SenorGato

                    I would love the media circus that comes with Cano. It’s OK to come out of the shadows BatTheo! The roster could really use it.

                    • SenorGato

                      It the talent rather than it the hype.

                    • Patrick W.

                      I hate circuses of every type that isn’t flying. That said I wound seriously offer Cano 6/165 with a 7th year option of 35 or a 10MM buyout.

                    • hansman

                      What about a circus afro?

                      [img]http://z-issue.com/blog_imgs/madagascar_3_circus_afro.jpg[/img]

    • Jason P

      Jim Bowden wrote an article today suggesting Jeff Samardzija for Matt Wieters straight up. Written in a speculative tone though.

  • Hutch

    Jim Bowden is an idiot. I like the idea. But he’s never right on anything

    • Jason P

      He seems to write articles off hunches rather than off of actual inside information. Samardzija and Castillo for Bundy and Wieters just makes so much sense, though.

      • Hutch

        Only if Baltimore thinks they can win next year. Bunny is gonna be a monster

        • Jason P

          But he also has the Tommy John surgery going against him, not to mention that while he was an “uber-prospect” before the injury, he was still “unproven” at the big league level. Considering the extra years of control, Castillo for Wieters is fairly even.

  • Frank

    Here’s a concept of a lounge in Wrigley Field when they renovate.
    Uncle Theo’s TJ Lounge. All drinks a served in little arm casts.

  • SenorGato

    So supposed the Cubs interest in Porcello and Jackson of the Tigers…Be still my beating heart:

    ‏@HotStoveCubbies
    Just heard some good info… Hearing the #cubs have interest in trading for Porcello and/or Jackson. No word on any other names.

    #probablypostedalready#readthethread

    • SenorGato

      In human…

      Supposedly the Cubs are interesting Jackson and/or Porcello. This is based on a tweet.

      • MichiganGoat

        1-Yes this has been discussed in great detail.
        2-that twitter/site is a joke basically anybody saying anything and some stuff completely made up is reported there, I could say “Cubs interested in trading for Mike Trout” and that site would report it as insider information. He rarely has supporting evidence and just calls everything “a source.”

  • Oswego Chris

    I just do not see a match with Detroit…they are a solid team that has very few holes, they would want MLB talent, something we don’t have

    • MichiganGoat

      As we’ve said we have nothing they want, not a single starting player we have is a significant upgrade of what they have. The really are really great team on paper and I wouldn’t be surprised if the add one more major bat. The owner is willing to spend everything he has to get a WS before he dies.

      • MichiganGoat

        Bullpen is what they need out of a trade and we just don’t have anything that would excite them. Russell maybe but I think many are fearful that he’s been used so much in the last two years that he’s due to regress or get injured.

    • DeathToFlyingThings

      Ouch!

  • josh ruiter

    I love this trade personally! Bourjos is Barney extra strength. light hitting, great defender (see: Darwin’s theory of baseball), only he adds speed to the repertoire. However, in this day and age of baseball, you can’t field teams of guys who have great tools but can’t hit. You will just end up losing a bunch of low scoring games. My question is regarding the Cardinals, how does fix their logjams? They still have Adams & Craig at 1b, Holliday, Jay, Tavares and Bourjos in the outfield. Does this block Tavares further? Does this free up a Tavares trade? Or a Jay trade? They didn’t help themselves much in this trade by way of logjams. Just my opinion.

    • DocPeterWimsey

      This does not block Taveras. For one thing, Bourjos’ poor hitting means that he probably will be out of the starting lineup soon enough. Much like Barney, Bourjos really is best-suited to be a defensive replacement. (Bourjos also will make a good pinch-runner: he does excel at base running, which is kind of odd given how unfamiliar with it he must be.)

      This actually will be a test of whether Matheny is a good manager. With the Cardinals lineup, a good manager would bat Bourjos 8th or even 9th, with the pitcher 8th; a bad manager bats him leadoff because the “speed” will somehow make things happen even after a 3-pitch whiff. Of course, a great manager sticks Bourjos on the bench and put up with Jay’s subpar fielding.

      Quite frankly, I’m not sure why anybody thinks that the Cards are going to come out way ahead in this. Yes, Jay’s poor fielding didn’t help in the WS (although it did guarantee that everybody knows that Tim McCarver really is a baseball ignoramus!), but it’s not like they win with Bourjos out there.

  • cubfanincardinalland

    Good points Doc. Seemed like an overpay to me for Freese, who St. Louis was seriously thinking of non tendering. But they are talking down here like they got the next Jim Edmonds, which is rather ludicrous.
    Didn’t notice before, but Bourjos has been a strikeout machine. Not a good profile for the type of player he needs to be. They are also taking a gamble that Wong can be an everyday player, he looked bad at the plate last fall.
    I heard the Cubs like several guys possibly in the Rule V draft. One of them is Swagerty from the Cardinals, former Arizona State closer, before he got hurt he had one of the best swing and miss sliders in the minors.

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