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mariners logoToday’s Logan Morrison rumor probably popped up as discussions reached the level needed to actually pull something off. But that something is a deal with the Mariners, not the Cubs.

At the same time they reportedly signed Corey Hart to a one-year deal, the Mariners picked up another power bat with questions about his ability to play a defensive position. Clark Spencer reports that the Marlins sent Morrison to the Mariners for 23-year-old righty Carter Capps.

Capps is already a big league arm, throwing 59 innings out of the Mariners’ pen last year. He was bit hard by the long-ball and a sky-high BABIP, and, if those things normalize, he could be a solid reliever. He struck out 24.4% of the guys he faced last year, while walking just 8.5%. This is a pretty solid return for the Marlins, suggesting the price on Morrison wasn’t a giveaway.

On to the next option.

  • Jon

    Cubs seem content to build on their 96 loss season. 97 losses, can we crack triple digits again in 2014?

    • Brian Peters

      Exactly, Jon. We can’t even attract/sign barely mid-level talent. I’m done being patient. DONE. I’m gonna start rooting for the Mariners.

      • FullCountTommy

        Because Logan Morrison gets the Cubs over that hump

        • FarmerTanColin

          Theo’s biggest regrets: Not trading for Lomo…I don’t think so.

          • Brian Peters

            No, LoMo doesn’t win any games for you. That’s not point. My point is: big-name players aren’t interested in coming to the Cubs, despite what Theo says. We now, apparently, can’t even draw the scrubs. If the Cubs lose 90+ games again next year, Pricketts, Epstein, and Hoyer are going to live a miserable existence.

            • frank

              You do realize this was a trade and not a free agent signing, right? Whether Morrison wanted to come here or not is irrelevant.

              • Brian Peters

                Well, no….I had no clue it was a trade……until I realized, through the power of reading comprehension, that LoMo is not a FA. Geezalu.

                • MXB

                  so ya still gonna be a Mariner’s fan? ;)

                  • DarthHater

                    Don’t become a Mariners fan, Brian. Stay here … take a deep breath … have some koolaid … ;-)

              • TWC

                Whoa — easy on those facts, Frank. Those tend to screw with the meatballs’ narratives.

                • DarthHater

                  Who you callin’ a meatball? Ya sausage!

            • Jon

              There is nothing they have done that suggest they will avoid 90+ losses again.

              • Brian Peters

                EXACTLY. All these mid-level talents (Shark among them) are built up to be something they aren’t because everybody knows business won’t for another couple years, so the “big boys” everybody talks about have no desire to play for the Cubs. Well, that’s too long to wait.

                • Revery

                  Go be a Mariners fan then. Wait, that was your idea.

            • DarthHater

              LoMo was a trade, not a signing, so the concept of being able to “draw” players is irrelevant to his situation.

              The Cubs certainly have assets in their system that could beat an offer of Carter Capps, if the FO wanted to expend those assets on a guy like LoMo. Fortunately, they had the sense not to want to do that.

            • Eric

              “My point is: big-name players aren’t interested in coming to the Cubs, despite what Theo says.”

              Do you have any proof of this? For all you know, big-name players are very interested in coming to the Cubs. We just don’t want to spend the money yet.

              • DarthHater

                In 1985 and 1986 the Cubs won only 77 and 70 games, yet in 1987, Andre Dawson gave Dallas Green a blank check. Incomprehensibly, the Cubs were able to draw Dawson even though they had sucked the previous two years.

              • Brian Peters

                Do you have any proof they WANT to come here (other than Theo’s word?)

                • mjhurdle

                  see Jackson, E

                  • Brian Peters

                    You’re kidding, right?!? Lol. EJax sucks butt.

                    • mjhurdle

                      well, you did say that the Cubs can’t attract the top name Free Agents.
                      Jacksoon was anywhere from the 8th to the 15th ranked FA in most sites FA Trackers last year, behind guys like Josh Hamilton and Zack Grienke and ahead of guys like Lohse, Victorino, Youkilis, and Broxton.

                      How he performed last year has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that he disproves your assertion.

            • Stevie B

              Do something this winter. ANYTHING…. please!

      • On The Farm

        Wow, if this is true I love this trade even more

      • frank

        A bit of an overreaction? It’s only December. Making a move for the sake of making a move makes no sense. Morrison would’ve been a walking nightmare in LF at Wrigley.

        • EQ76

          True Frank, but they aren’t doing anything while everyone around them is. What moves are left to make later in the off-season if everyone’s off the market?

    • Stinky Pete

      How exactly do they seem content?

      • Jon

        They have made zero impact improvements to a 96 loss roster.

        • Stinky Pete

          Would LoMo have been an impact improvement?

          • Jon

            Maybe, maybe not, but I could rattle of quite a few names the Cubs could have had this offseason that would have not impacted the overall long term plan of a solid farm system.

            • Eric

              Please, by all means, rattle them off. I need names, salary requirements and which prospects you would have dealt for them.

            • Stinky Pete

              Okay. I’ll bite. Rattle away.

            • DocPeterWimsey

              … and also not have made a great impact on the 2014 Cubs expected winning percentage…

            • Jon

              To start the, either Nolaso or Hughes would have been nice additions

              See that’s parallel fronts, the Twins, with the #1 farm system, decided to make improvements to their major league roster, what a novel concept!

              • YourResidentJag

                Their prospects are closer to the bigs than ours.

              • DocPeterWimsey

                Hughes would have become such a home run machine in Wrigley that several fans in the left-field bleachers would have needed Tommy John surgery by the All-Star break.

                • C. Steadman

                  Jed wouldve taken a flyer on those fans as buy-low candidates…

                • cub2014

                  doc that was good. They will sign a starter
                  probably Baker and they still will go after
                  Tanaka.

                • Jon

                  People said the same about Travis Wood.

              • C. Steadman

                they have plenty of revenue coming in from their new ballpark…we are handicapped by our renovations, we’ll see more spending once more renovations are approved and underway

              • Norm

                Are you one that doesn’t consider Edwin Jackson a nice addition?

              • Stinky Pete

                Nolasco or Hughes are impact improvements? Over whom? I really don’t believe either of them would be a significant upgrade over Villinueva/Grimm/Hendricks/Whoever. And they would have cost a lot more.

              • BWA

                The Twins this year=The Cubs next year. But they have less to spend. If nothing happens this year and we lose 100 games, we darn well better be getting several guys next offseason and better than nolasco and hughes.

        • gocatsgo2003

          … and a whole boatload of improvements to a bottom-five farm system.

          • Jon

            Bottom five farm system? I love this urban legend.

            • BT

              Clearly they were a top five system. The steady stream of rookies we’ve churned out have proven that.

              • Jon

                In reality they were about a 15h-20th ranked farm system I believe(rankings as of fall- 2011). Average not great. But it’s sounds better when they can say they turned around around the worst farm system in the game.

                • waittilthisyear

                  often times, i read through the comments and see something that must be responded to, usually for being unnecessarily negative/morbid/petty/critical, then i see it was you posted it (again) and i just say “Fuck it” and return to my work

                  • Jon

                    I’m glad I can improve your employers productivity.

                    The whole point was that “bottom 5 farm” system and/or one of the “worst farm system’s in the game” is a myth that is consistently perpetuated not only here and other blogs, but by the front office itself.

                    A little “reality” is often needed.

                    • cub2014

                      but Jon you have taken a posters
                      “bottom 5″ comment and attributed
                      it to the current FO what gives?
                      reality check?

                    • waittilthisyear

                      reality is one thing, and i am not one to crucify those who offer counterpoints. but not everything this front office does is the worst, most terrible, incompetent, deceptive act ever perpetuated by man. you would think from the tone of your posts that Theo and Jed personally spit in your coffee

                    • DarthHater

                      Theo doesn’t personally spit in anybody’s coffee. He hired Jed to do that for him. :-P

                  • BWA

                    At the time we were probably ranked around the 20th best, but if you consider the actual talent from that system it is probably dead last or close to it.

                • BT

                  I think it sounds better when they realize that even if they were ranked in the middle, the reality was the system didn’t have any top line prospects, and apparently no mid-line prospects as well. As of right now, they had Javier Baez, and a bunch of crap. It doesn’t matter where they were ranked by Baseball America, they were a terrible system.

                  The Cubs were ranked #1 in 2002, does that mean they magically had the best prospects in baseball? Does that mean Corey Patterson was actually good? Reality trumps rankings, so can the damn urban legend crap. We are staring reality in the face.

                  • Jon

                    They also inherited Pierce Johnson(7), Alcantara(8) and Vogelbach(10). All current top 10 prospects in the Cubs organization.

                    • C. Steadman

                      current FO drafted Pierce…otherwise you are correct

                    • BT

                      No, they didn’t. Johnson was drafted in 2012. Vogelbach was drafted 3 months before they took over, and Alcantara didn’t shoot up the charts until this year, so you’ll forgive them for not including him in their state of the farm when they took over. Baez had also only been in the system 3 months, but at least he was a top 10 pick, so you could expect something out of him. The point is, when Theo/Hoyer took over, the system was barren of any sort of proven talent, and your examples don’t change that. But BA ranked them in the middle, so I guess it’s an urban legend, because that fits your world view better.

                    • frank

                      I may be wrong, but didn’t this front office draft Pierce Johnson? I thought he was drafted by the Cubs in 2012.

                    • Jon

                      I was wrong about Pierce my bad. But when Theo/Jed/Tom Ricketts brag publicly about their farm system, they cite directly baseball America rankings, do they not?

                    • C. Steadman

                      you arent wrong Frank…they did select them that year

                  • C. Steadman

                    Welington Castillo, Matt Szczur, Junior Lake, Josh Vitters, Dan Vogelbach all question your definitions of “mid-line” and “crap”

                  • Kyle

                    If we only care about results, Welington Castillo alone puts the inherited farm system out of bottom-5 range.

                    • DarthHater

                      Who cares about results? :-P

                    • BT

                      really? One major league player gets you out of the bottom 5? Then who is IN the bottom 5? Certainly not the White Sox. The Angels brought up Trout. Mariners have Seager and Franklin. If we are setting the bar that low, are there any bottom 5 systems?

                    • Kyle

                      “really? One major league player gets you out of the bottom 5? Then who is IN the bottom 5? Certainly not the White Sox. The Angels brought up Trout. Mariners have Seager and Franklin. If we are setting the bar that low, are there any bottom 5 systems?”

                      When we’re talking about “results from the farm system between post-2011 rankings and today,” then a 4-win catcher is enough to get you out of the bottom 5, absolutely.

                    • aaronb

                      Andrew Cashner changes the rankings as well.

                  • Kyle

                    ” The point is, when Theo/Hoyer took over, the system was barren of any sort of proven talent”

                    WTF is “proven talent” in the minor leagues?

                    • MightyBear

                      K-man is correct with this statement. There is no proven talent in the minor leagues. None.

                    • C. Steadman

                      i’m guessing hes using hindsight MLB results from prospects who’ve since graduated from being prospects in 2011…but then I’m still wondering why he’s leaving Castillo and Lake out of the argument

                    • Kyle

                      “i’m guessing hes using hindsight MLB results from prospects who’ve since graduated from being prospects in 2011…but then I’m still wondering why he’s leaving Castillo and Lake out of the argument”

                      I guess that works. But even then, you’re also ignoring all the young/prime MLB talent they inherited. Cashner, Samardzija, Castro, Garza.

                    • C. Steadman

                      exactly Cubs organization wasnt amazing in 2011 but it wasnt bottom 5 neither…it was middle of the road

                    • BT

                      Oh for God’s sake. How about recognized talent. How about actual talent. How about talent that other people care about. Stop parsing the freaking words. You really are a piece of work sometimes.

                      I’m leaving out Castillo because I didn’t think of him, because he is good, but certainly not a game changer. I’m leaving out Lake because at this point he hasn’t proven anything.

                      Cashner Samardzija Castro and Garza were all on the major league team Kyle, so I don’t know why in the world they would factor into the minor league team Theo inherited.

                    • Kyle

                      “Oh for God’s sake. How about recognized talent. How about actual talent. How about talent that other people care about. Stop parsing the freaking words. You really are a piece of work sometimes.”

                      We’re not parsing it. You are just wrong and twisting to try to not have to face your wrongness.

                      “Talent people care about” is shown in the rankings, which weren’t as bad as you and others have tried to claim.

                      So then you shifted to “proven” which I guess meant players who have done well since then, but now you want to shift back to what other people thought. It’s going in circles.

                    • C. Steadman

                      well if you throw out our starting catcher and leftfielder then yeah that system is lacking in MLB graduates…then I think we should throw out Trout from the Angles and Seager and Franklin from the Mariners bc if you throw out people we mention then we can darn well throw out people you mentioned

                    • BT

                      You got me Kyle. Because I used the term “proven minor league talent” my argument has blown up in my face. Everything else in my argument pales in comparison to this ONE phrase, which invalidates everything which precedes it. And now, rather than trying to dispense with the utter nonsense of having to defend it rather than discuss the issue at hand, instead I”m “twisting it to try to not face my wrongness”. You are so extra special smart. Well done Perry Mason. You win the internet today.

                      Again, you really, REALLY are a piece of work.

                      (The good news is that I can’t wait for all that pre-Theo minor league talent to start washing over us!)

                    • Kyle

                      You got me Kyle. …”

                      Boo. Hoo.

                      You’re wrong because you’re wrong. The Cubs minor league system was not as bad as you are trying to make it sound.

                      The fact that you keep misspeaking and changing your arguments as you try to defend it is amusing, sure, but it is only tangential to the deeper issue that you are simply incorrect.

                    • BT

                      I’m not incorrect Kyle, you’ve brought up one freaking semantic point and Castillo. That’s it. Get over yourself.

                  • Jon

                    And exactly to Kyle’s point, what then heck is proven minor league talent?

                  • aaronb

                    Cashner and Beef Wellington were in the system.

                    • BT

                      Cashner was on the major league team. We’ve been over Castillo.

            • gocatsgo2003

              So maybe bottom-five was an exaggeration. What I really should have said was “a system sorely lacking for potential impact talent.”

              Better?

              • MightyBear

                Better.

              • Kyle

                That’s a fair assessment.

                The Cubs post-2011 had quite a bit of complementary talent at the MLB level and in the minors. What they needed was impact at the top of the roster. And they didn’t even try, because Epstein always wanted to try a blank slate and didn’t really understand the organization at the time (his words on the second part).

            • frank

              Maybe not bottom 5 – but they weren’t good. In 2008, SI and BA ranked the Cubs system 18th of 30 (so bottom half) and SN had them ranked 22nd. In 2009 BA had the Cubs system ranked 27th. That’s all I could find right now.

              • Jon

                That’s great frank. But this front office took over in the fall of 2011, not 2009.

                • frank

                  True–just looking at the rankings through that general period. That said–I understand things like farm system rankings can change quickly.

          • C. Steadman

            at the beginning of 2011 they were ranked in the middle of the pack(14-18) on many lists…add in the 2011 draft prospects(Baez, Vogelbach, etc) and it looks a little better…definitely not bottom 5

            • MightyBear

              I think that ranking was after the 2011 draft. I saw that they were 22 in 2011. My guess is they moved up after the draft where they spent 12 million dollars. More than they spent in the previous two drafts combined.

      • willis

        Content? Because they seem to be standing pat with the flawed roster they have so they can be even worse in 2014 than they were in 2012 and 2013. They aren’t even trying to upgrade even a little from a team that was just awful last year. It’s tired.

        But again, with the money restrictions it’s all or nothing on prospects. None of this non-moves should be a surprise. We all should have known this would be the case.

        • frank

          It’s only December.

    • TWC

      The headline could read: “Miami Marlins signed free agent CF Matt Angle to a minor league contract.”

      And the meatheads would respond: “Fucking Theo/Jed! Fucking cheap-ass Ricketts! We won’t even win 40 games! We can’t even attract/sign barely mid-level talent. I’m done being patient. DONE. I’m gonna start rooting for the Marlins.”

      Glad you clowns have an outlet for your explosive hyperbole. Heaven forbid something doesn’t go exactly the way you want it to all the time.

      • itzscott1

        >> Heaven forbid something doesn’t go exactly the way you want it to all the time. <<

        After 100+ years of this I think even the Dali Llama would get a bit edgy.

        • TWC

          “After 100+ years of this I think even the Dali Llama would get a bit edgy.”

          There is — literally — no one who has been waiting 100 years for the Cubs to win.

          • Fishin Phil

            I’m older than dirt, and I’m not even quite half way there yet.

  • Bob A

    I’m relieved. I just don’t see LoMo playing left field.

  • North Side Irish

    Unless the M’s are moving Smoak, one of these two is playing the OF next season. Also probably means Morales is gone from Seattle…I had been hoping he’d re-sign there and they wouldn’t gain a comp pick for him. Every little bit helps in terms of moving the Cubs 2nd rounder up a little.

    • FarmerTanColin

      I’m a little shocked Morales didn’t take the qualifying offer. I don’t see him making that money elsewhere and probably taking a long time to sign.

    • Patrick W.

      Gotta be LoMo in the OF. Maybe they’re planning on resigning Franklin Guttierez for CF and praying he can stay healthy?

      Mariners. You’re doing it wrong.

      • YourResidentJag

        It’s certainly an odd acquisition.

        • Patrick W.

          They moved the fences in at Safeco last year. This year they’re installing a second 1st base.

          • YourResidentJag

            Too funny.

  • Spoda17

    No issue in my book. I would not have picked him up.

  • Eric

    Whew. Good. Did not want. At all.

    • FarmerTanColin

      Yeah the Cubs are solid at LH 4th OF types. Especially ones that are 1B/DH types trying to play the OF. Said that I like the pickup for the Mariners, LoMo is a personality and has upside.

  • skip b

    Wanted him badly… need another outfielder bad.

    • cub2014

      cruz, kemp & choo now only suitor
      left is Texas. Reds wont be in if they
      still have Phillips.

      So the Cubs?

    • DocPeterWimsey

      Have you *seen* LoMo play the OF? It’s a good thing he swings and misses so often: he catches up to balls with his mitt nearly as infrequently as he does with his bat…..

      • Patrick W.

        Yeah but the M’s are replacing Raul Ibanez with him… so…

  • YourResidentJag

    Joe Sheehan ‏@joe_sheehan 2m
    The #marlins had Ryan Webb and Logan Morrison, and now they have Carter Capps and a couple extra bucks. Go revenue sharing!

  • Spoda17

    Signing someone for the sake of signing does not equal a playoff run… There really has not been a move made this off-season where I am sitting here wishing we would have made the move…

    • YourResidentJag

      I may have taken a flyer on Seth Smith via trade. Other than that….

  • macpete22

    Not too upset we didn’t land him but seeing the Mariners just having to give up a meh reliever to get him is kind of upsetting

  • DocPeterWimsey

    Whew.

  • Blackhawks1963

    If the LoMo rumor to the Cubs was true, then the Cubs dodged a bullet. The guy is a nutbag, albeit a talented nutbag. More importantly, he would have been a trainwreck in the Wrigley outfield. Defense is not optional boys and girls.

    Kendry Morales screwed the pooch. Should have jumped on that qualifying offer because he is going to have a real hard time finding employment.

  • http://BN Sacko

    Hart gone but may have problems in the OF anyway with injuries.
    Are their any RH bats left? We are not going after Cruz.
    Lake sound pretty valuable now doesn’t he?
    Baez to the outfield?

    • FarmerTanColin

      Very limited outside of trades. Morse doesn’t seem to fit. Delmon Young doesn’t either. I’m not sure where they find another OF but it may be a couple NRIs duking it out.

  • Blackhawks1963

    Matt Kemp is officially staying with the Dodgers per his agent. The Dodgers told Kemp and his agent today that they will keep him. I think the Dodgers did a smart thing, because if Kemp heals up he is among the best pure players in the game. I still think Yasmil Puig might be a flash in the pan too.

    • Jon

      Puig could retire today and still have accomplished more than all of Theo’s failed attempts in Cuba.

      • Blackhawks1963

        What failed attempts? Jorge Soler remains a frontline prospect who, probably, when all is said and produces a better major league career than Puig and the very overrated Cespedes. So they swung and missed on pitcher Concepcion…big deal. It’s part of the process…you never hit 100% on the international signings.

        • Jon

          Soler is still two years away and by the time he hits the big leagues will still have alot of catching up to do to match Puig. The Puig hate on this board cracks me up, he’s a great player, let it go.

          • BT

            Yes, the Puig hate is comical, unlike your completely legitimate mockery of Theo’s “failure” to find a superstar from Cuba after 2 whole years of trying.

          • cub2014

            Jon,
            I think the point is, will he have the same success
            that he had or will he fall back to a mediocre
            player same as Cespedes.

      • Kyle

        Armando Rivero will make you eat those words.

        • ruby2626

          You are probably trying to be funny but over the summer I sat first row in Kane county behind the Cub bullpen and saw Rivera warm up, up close and personal. He is one big dude and frankly I thought his velocity and movement were terrific, I think he’ll be at Wrigley at some point this year, remember he is a bit older than your typical Cuban signee.

    • cub2014

      Hadnt heard that about Kemp staying in LA

      • Blackhawks1963

        It’s on mlbtraderumors.com and elsewhere

  • North Side Irish

    JIM BOWDEN ‏@JimBowdenESPNxm now
    Jed Hoyer would not confirm or deny that Cubs are a mystery team on Choo SXM

    Unemployed GM says Current GM may or may not sign a player

  • Brother Tim

    The Nationals have traded for a lefty reliever. Meaning their interest in Jeff Russell as part of a package for Stoeren or Clippard just went out the window in all likelihood.

    Meanwhile, Theo and Jed have changed plans for the afternoon and instead are leaving Disney to head over to Sea World. Theo promised Jed that they could ride a dolphin since he behaved on Splash Mountain.

    • frank

      Just so you know Brother, it’s James Russell.

  • Kernzee

    I am amazed at the overwhelming sense of relief that we didn’t sacrifice a middle of the road asset for Lomo . Our offense looks to be absolutely putrid . Getting a player with decent upside that is controllable for 3 more years and plays a position of need ( poorly ? ) without giving up much of anything is appealing to me . The list of available free agent OF is uninspiring . Maybe a 3 year deal for Gutierrez or a flyer on Sizemore is better , but we need to address the major league outfield in some way .

  • willis

    Swell, Hoyer saying they aren’t ready to make a splash and that hopefully they are ready to do so in “a couple years”…

    God forbid you try and improve a major league roster.

    • YourResidentJag

      I don’t know about the splash part of his statement. Comparing us to the Mariners….that scares me.

      • willis

        It’s just hard to accept that they are completely punting this year and setting this thing back even further. Who the hell knows when they will be even decent. In a middle market division, they have let three teams run away and hide. Even if they are ever allowed to spend money on FAs or make trades to acquire proven talent, who’s to say they can get where the Pirates and Cardinals are? And the reds are still very good.

    • cub2014

      willis, he certainly isnt going to tip their hand
      they have never operated that way. But you
      never know?

    • MightyBear

      There are many ways to improve a major league roster.

  • MightyBear

    This another example of Brett’s point of the American League having a distinct advantage over the National League. Get rid of the DH AL and make your players play defense!

  • North Side Irish

    Fran Spielman ‏@fspielman 1m
    #ChiCityCouncil votes pressure #Cubs to start swinging on #Wrigley construction – Chicago Sun-Times http://www.suntimes.com/24312612-761/story.html … via @suntimes

    Running out of excuses to not start renovations…City Council gave the Cubs everything they asked for…even Rahm is saying it’s time to get started.

    • YourResidentJag

      Well improvements to the dugouts and clubhouses would be a start if Ricketts intends to stay.

  • JonKneeV

    Oh no! We missed out on a .709 OPS first baseman! The humanity!

    Seriously though, Jon gives guys named Jon a bad name. Stop overreacting, Jon. Just because Theo doesn’t tell the world the moves and players he’s trying to acquire doesn’t mean the Cubs aren’t involved.

  • Kyle

    Not that I think we were ever that serious, bullet dodged. He’s awful.

  • Tyler

    If this off season continues with no signings/trades can anyone give me a reason to watch this awful roster next season, especially when it looks like Baez, etc won’t be called up until late? Brett? Anyone?

    • Fishin Phil

      Nope, you definitely should not watch it. Leave your phone number with Brett and he’ll call you just before they get really good so you can jump back on the bandwagon.

      • Tyler

        Ha

    • willis

      Unless you want to voluntarily get pissed and punish yourself for 6 months, then no. Especially once Shark is traded. Maybe watch Arrieta’s starts? Would be easier to just skip out on 2014, just wish it was easy to do.

    • Mick

      This is the make it or break it season for many of the Cubs straggling prospects. Vitters, Lake, Olt, Jackson, and Szczur should all get ample playing time and will either show us something or be shown out the door next offseason when Soler, Bryant, Baez, Alcantara, Almora, etc. pass them up and/or we start acquiring more legitimate MLB talent. So, this season could be a gong show or a coming out party for some forgotten prospects. Either way, it should be entertaining to watch.

    • Randy

      Tyler I cant give you a reason. You only hope that as the ticket sales go down and all the revenue from those people that they may figure it out. I have said it a hundred times, all for the rebuilding but YOU can compete and rebuild at the same time. If Ricketts couldn’t afford the team he shouldn’t have bought the team. I am not for just spending money to spend but this team has serious glaring needs and I haven’t seen a sign of addressing them. Pretty sure this isn’t what Theo and Jed signed on for when they took the job

  • Mick

    The LoMo thing never really made sense to me other than he was a LH bat. He can’t play OF and we’ve already got Rizzo at 1B. Plus, Carter Capps is a solid prospect comparable to maybe a Aroyds Vizcaino and I wouldn’t have wanted to make that trade considering where our organization is on the ready to compete scale. Miami’s sort of built a GM dream team taking executives from the Rays, Cardinals, and A’s front offices. I really like what they’ve done this offseason, they’re just a 3B away from fielding a pretty competitive team. I really like this strategy of making the most on a limited budget of all 25 MLB roster spots. Acquiring Carter Capps also makes Steve Cishek expendable in a mid-season trade too.

  • Mike

    It really wouldn’t be much of a stretch to say the cubs will lose 100 games this season. I mean we won’t have soriano’s power, dejesus obp, navaro, feldman, garza. I would hope that lake, rizzo and castro will perform up to expectations and that is really what will decide how this season goes. I mean our starting pitching in that first half is what stopped us from losing 100 games last year. Will we have that this year? Will our youngsters perform? Who knows?

    • Fishin Phil

      “Who knows?”

      That’s the point! Nobody knows yet (no matter how many predictions of doom they spout), so we can watch the games and find out how the season develops. Might they suck and be mathematically eliminated by May 1st? Maybe, but then again maybe not. I look forward to watch to see what happens.

      • Randy

        you enjoy watching Phil.

        • Fishin Phil

          A tip for your viewing enjoyment this season: A few beers helps. ;)

        • TWC

          I do enjoy watching Phil.

      • Mike

        Even if Rizzo and Castro rebound nicely were still a below .500 team lol I will watch but I am not exactly looking forward to the product on the the field next year but am looking forward to it in 2016.

        • MightyBear

          If they can add an impact bat, either during this offseason or Baez and/or Bryant comes up and hits like they have their whole careers and Castro and Rizzo rebound, they’ll be 500. Assuming the bullpen pitches like it did at the end of last season and not at the beginning.

    • Jon

      We’ll get another top 2 draft pick and then the front office can brag so much about how they turned around a terrible farms system into a top 3 ranked farm system.

      • gocatsgo2003

        … which then (hopefully) has a “trickle-up” effect on the Big League team as that talent matures. Why is this so hard to understand?

        • Kyle

          It’s not hard to understand.

          It’s hard to implement correctly. It’s a lazy, unambitious way to build a baseball team and doesn’t lead to the kind of “sustained success” people claim to want because it locks in a lot of losing at the front-end.

          • willis

            Well said.

            • cub2014

              FA you need may not be available so
              to acquire those 3-4 they may have to
              come from trades as well. Thats where
              the abundance of young talent comes in.

          • cub2014

            what it does is allow you to have a majority
            of your regulars cost controlled then you
            can go out and add the 3-4 guys you need
            to get you over the top.

            • Kyle

              Except the Cubs are *rolling* in cost-controlled regulars right now and showing no signs of spending the savings.

              We could be fielding an entire pre-FA lineup next season plus most of a rotation.

              • gocatsgo2003

                Because you have to, I don’t know, actually save something first.

                • Kyle

                  That didn’t make sense. You think it did, but it didn’t.

                  • gocatsgo2003

                    Wasn’t clear… my fault there. I didn’t mean in the sense that “saving” works for personal finance (“I finally have enough saved up to go out and buy that fancy new PS4!”), but in terms of budgeting (“We finally have enough projected room in the 2014-2016 budgets to spend some extra money there”).

                    • Kyle

                      The conversation was in regard to:

                      “what it does is allow you to have a majority
                      of your regulars cost controlled then you
                      can go out and add the 3-4 guys you need
                      to get you over the top.”

                      The Cubs already have that and aren’t behaving in the way the poster described they would.

                    • gocatsgo2003

                      Well, like you said, we could very well be playing an entire cost-controlled lineup NEXT YEAR, which is probably why the FO is even entertaining the idea of signing some of the bigger-ticket free agents this year (Choo, etc.). Last year they were dealing with the Soriano contract, signing Castro and Rizzo to cost-controlled deals (fingers cross that they still look good in two or three years), and other such moves presicely so that this year’s team was largely a young, developing, cost-controlled bunch.

                      I just hope that we are at least at the tipping point in “The Plan” where we can start seeing the strategic signing of free agents to supplement that young, developing core of players.

                    • Kyle

                      Last year, pre-FA cost-controlled players got the majority of our playing time at 6 of 8 positions and made 98 of our 162 starts in the rotation.

                    • gocatsgo2003

                      … and that was a result of moves such as the Soriano trade, the Garza trade, the DeJesus trade, the aforementioned extensions for Castro and Rizzo, signing players such as Sweeney and Bogusevic, etc.

                      I don’t think we are really arguing opposing stances here, just that you want the free agent spending to come along with the player development more quickly in the building process (which may or may not be possible due to the lingering Wrigley renovation questions).

              • cub2014

                Kyle, I agree that I feel it is time to
                add a few guys that makes sense.
                Next year might make more sense,
                but I too am tired of waiting.

                Here are 5 moves that would make
                us solid to good (depending on what
                the prospects do) next year.

                1. sign a good starter (Tanaka?)
                2. sign Choo for 5 yrs.
                3. sign a veteran starter (Baker?)
                4. sign a veteran closer
                5. trade for a corner outfielder (Brown?)

                Obviously even if they wanted to do this
                it would be very unlikely to have it all happen
                this year.

                You all the sudden have a pretty good team
                maybe 85-95 wins depending. Plus you dont
                affect long term plan.

                • C. Steadman

                  heck you can get the closer and Brown in one trade(Paps is on the block)…just depends on what the Phils are asking, but i wouldnt mind that trade

                • cub2014

                  boras said choo has offers in hand and
                  discussing with his wife. he said they have
                  several offers including from teams that are
                  rebuilding.

          • gocatsgo2003

            Hard to implement? Sure. Unambitious? Eh. Lazy? No.

            And what in the world does “locks in a lot of losing” mean anyway? The whole point is to focus on a point somewhere in the future and build toward that (though the constant “moving of the goal posts” is more than a little worrisome). Of course there will be some losing upfront as the focus is placed increasingly on player development and spending outside the Major League level.

            • Kyle

              “And what in the world does “locks in a lot of losing” mean anyway? The whole point is to focus on a point somewhere in the future and build toward that (though the constant “moving of the goal posts” is more than a little worrisome). Of course there will be some losing upfront as the focus is placed increasingly on player development and spending outside the Major League level.”

              Yes, that describes the plan. That’s why it’s a bad plan: It guarantees losing at the beginning, but with uncertain promises of future winning to make up for it.

              • gocatsgo2003

                But it’s really just a timing issue — going out and spending gobs of money on free agents doesn’t ensure success any more or less than “The Plan,” it just ensures that you know your results sooner in the process.

          • MightyBear

            So the ambitious way to build was spend like a drunken sailor on shore leave and end up with a hangover and the clap for a system.

            • Kyle

              False choice fallacy

              • MightyBear

                Then define the ambitious way to build a team. How would you do it? See its easy to sit back and criticize, its much more difficult to have the reins and ride the bull for 7 seconds.

            • When the Music’s Over

              There’s a massive chasm inbetween spend nothing in the hopes of losing so you can get the highest possible draft picks and spend like the Dodgers/Yankees.

        • Jon

          If you are going to devoid your major league team of all resources, tank seasons(accumulate top 5 picks), sell at deadlines, for three to four years, then accumulating a top 5 farm system really is a non accomplishment.

          • gocatsgo2003

            Oh, I get it… if the FO successfully accomplishes what it said it was going to accomplish in the short-term, it doesn’t really count because it’s easy to do. Makes perfect sense.

            • Jon

              I’m just putting it in context. And also this isn’t the NBA, so tanking really isn’t needed to rebuild an organization.

            • When the Music’s Over

              The fashion in which ownership/front office accomplished its primary goal of building up the farm system has not come without serious costs. And sure, it was the most direct approach to getting what they wanted. It was also the least resistant, uncreative and damaging approach.

  • Spoda17

    If you think just signing a bunch or recognized names works, please go back one or two years and ask how the Marlins, Blue Jays, Angels, and Dodgers feel (yes the Dodgers, haven’t won anything yet), and I’m sure next off season you can add the Mariners. And guess what, all that money they threw around to “win”… uh, they still owe a ton and now are terrible and in terrible debt..

    Look at the Giants, Cardinals, Red Sox… did they spend huge money to win? Nope. They brought in good affordable players, but they had a really good core they got from within. We are not ready, but we will be soon.

    Signing to sign does not equal a playoff run.

    • Kyle

      Those teams spent a lot of money.

      • cubbiehawkeye

        …after they had a decent flow of contributing prospects. If the cubs do not spend some money next offseason then I would grab the torches. IMO

      • Spoda17

        They spent money on players they already had… they did not go out for big time free agents. I’m not saying they did nothing, all I am saying “buying” a team does not work, never has… but teams still do it. Hell, you can even throw the Yankees into that mix, and now they have no farm system to even make a marginal trade.

  • Cheryl

    Well, after the past season and these last few days it doesn’t seem like there was much interest in the cubs in terms of trades. At this point we better hope the minors progress faster than we thought. It looks like at least 2015 before we climb out of this. I guess we were forewarned but its still going to be rough watching in 2014 and probably 2015 as well.

  • AD

    I really thought that Choo was a possibility given the shrinking outfield market. However, after hearing Boras’ comments this afternoon, I am less optimistic.

    • willis

      Choo would have cost quite a bit of coin. The Cubs aren’t spending any money at the major league level. He was never a possibility.
      .

      • AD

        Maybe not a realistic possibility, but definitely a possibility. If the front office identifies values they would make a move. Furthermore, it would give the business side someone to market. A thought of pieces would have to fall into place though. Not saying Choo is a great fit given are current situation, but value is value.

        • willis

          I completely agree he has value. But the FO has no money to spend on players, let alone players that will get a $100 million+ contract. It doesn’t matter how good a player may be, they aren’t inking them. That’s the issue.

          • cub2014

            when Feb 1st rolls we will know if you
            were right but until then you are only
            speculating

            • willis

              A little, but also going by the complete lack of action and more so by little things the FO has mentioned here and there. If they are only blabbing broke to fool people, good for them. I’m afraid it’s just the way it is right now.

    • gocatsgo2003

      Almost like Boras enjoys negotiating through the media or something. Crazy that.

  • YourResidentJag

    He’s baaaack. Patrick Mooney ‏@CSNMooney 19m
    Boras sequel to “Meet The Parents” is “All-Day Sucker” — Cubs rebuild is like a lollipop that takes a long time to “dissolve.

  • North Side Irish

    Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 2m
    Sources: #Cubs among teams showing interest in free-agent RHP Roberto Hernandez.

    The former Fausto Carmona…I’m assuming it’s not the White Sox reliever from 10 years ago…

    • macpete22

      Count me in

  • cubbiehawkeye

    I believe Theo and Jed came into Chicago thinking that they would get at least a little contribution from some of the cubs then top prospects like Vitters and or Jackson enough to at least start some building but recognized while the Farm system wasn’t the worst lacked depth. In 2014 we should Baez and Alcantara with others right at the doorstep Bryant, Villanueva, Hendricks, Soler. I don’t see any reason why the cubs couldn’t start spending a little next offseason.

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