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cj edwards daytona cubsMinor League Ball’s John Sickels is ramping up for his Chicago Cubs prospect list – Sickels does top 20s with a bunch of guys who just missed – and it sounds like he’s having trouble cutting things down. That tends to be a good sign. Sickels has listed 40 Cubs prospects in the running for his list:

Arismendy Alcantara, 2B
Albert Almora, OF
Gioskar Amaya, 2B
Javier Baez, SS
Yasiel Balaguert, OF
Dallas Beeler, RHP
Corey Black, RHP
Paul Blackburn, RHP
Kris Bryant, 3B
Alberto Cabrera, RHP
Jeimer Candelario, 3B
Shawon Dunston, Jr., OF
C.J. Edwards, RHP
Kevin Encarnacion, OF
Jacob Hannemann, OF
Kyle Hendricks, RHP
Brett Jackson, OF
Eloy Jimenez, OF
Pierce Johnson, RHP
Eric Jokisch, LHP
Dillon Maples, RHP
Brett Marshall, RHP
Jefferson Mejia, RHP
Mike Olt, 3B
Ivan Pineyro, RHP
Neil Ramirez, RHP
Armando Rivero, RHP
Zac Rosscup, LHP
Rock Shoulders, 1B
Jorge Soler, OF
Matt Szczur, OF
Gleyber Torres, SS
Jen-Ho Tseng, RHP
Duane Underwood, RHP
Christian Villanueva, 3B
Josh Vitters, 3B
Arodys Vizcaino, RHP
Dan Vogelbach, 1B
Logan Watkins, 2B
Rob Zastryzny, LHP

The obvious names are there, plus a whole bunch of new guys: 2013 draftees include first rounder Kris Bryant, second rounder Rob Zastryzny, and third rounder Jacob Hannemann (the scouting reports must be very good). There are also 2013 IFA signees Eloy Jimenez, Gleyber Torres, Jefferson Mejia, and Jen-Ho Tseng.

The crazy part? Despite the inclusion of 40 names up there, I can immediately think – off the top of my head – of a number of other guys who could be top 40 types in the Cubs’ system: Tyler Skulina, John Andreoli, Zeke DeVoss, Stephen Bruno, Dustin Geiger, Marco Hernandez, Daury Torrez, Juan Paniagua, Erick Leal, Carlos Rodriguez … I could go on.

In the meantime, Luke is hard at work on his Top 40 list. You will have to remember things like this when the list comes out and you’re eager to give him grief – this is a very hard system to rank right now, for all the right reasons.

  • Patrick G

    Is Hanneman a top 20 guy? or is it too soon since he only got a handful of games in last year?

    • Kyle

      Definitely not, imo. 4th-round picks go in the “prospect, but will have to prove something for a year or two in a row to be top-30″ category.

      • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

        Third round, but same difference.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

      If he had stayed healthy all season he might have been in the conversation, and in a weaker system he might make it anyway, but not with the Cubs. Not this year.

      If he is as good as advertised, though, he could be pushing top 15 a year from now.

  • Fishin Phil

    I must be hanging out at this site way too much. In the old days, I would be lucky to recognize half the names on that list. Now, I recognize them all with one exception: Jen-Ho Tseng. Tell me more about this mysterious pitcher.

    • Kyle

      IFA pitcher we signed this year. A little older than most IFAs, iirc.

  • Kyle

    Juan Paniagua not making the top 40 is disappointing, but not surprising. There’ve been some bad whispers about him this last year or so.

    The whole 2012 IFA class still has time to recover, but the early reports are kind of meh.

    • ced landrum

      I wonder if it is an oversight. There is no way he is not a top 40

      • WiscCubsFan

        It’s not an oversight. Sickels addresses Paniagua in the comments of the preliminary prospects article.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      Time to recover is a bit of an understatement. :)

  • DarthHater

    “You will have to remember things like this when the list comes out and you’re eager to give him grief”

    You mean now we have to think about stuff before we give somebody a hard time? Grumble… :-P

    • Fishin Phil

      Login, then think, then post. Sheesh, becoming a real ordeal.

      ;)

  • JAllman

    What about Jae Hoon Ha? hasn’t he been on some top 20 lists?

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      He’s another one.

    • terencemann

      Ha is more interesting to me than a lot of guys on Sickels’ list but I think he is trying to balance the list between guys in the upper minors who have shown they can be major league players even if their ceiling is low (Watkins, Beeler, etc) against lower minors players with good ceilings even if they have a long road ahead of them. I think Ha falls through the cracks of those stipulations. He’s a lot more interesting than a lot of guys on that list to me, though, as a light hitter who could have a ceiling of being an elite defensive corner outfielder if the scouting reports are to be believed.

  • NorthSideIrish

    I think Meija was also a 2013 IFA signing…not sure he’s pitched yet though.

    Bruno would absolutely be on this list if he’d been healthy this season…possibly Conway too. And I think Masek and Frazier from the 2013 draft class both showed some good promise at Boise this season.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      Yeah, Mejia was a signing this year – I meant to include him in that paragraph.

      Including him but not someone like Paniagua strikes me as odd. But it’s a tough exercise when you’re on the margins.

  • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

    Last year my candidate list for the Top 40 ran 70+ deep.

    I haven’t finished compiling the candidate list this year, but I suspect it will be about as long, if not longer.

  • Fastball

    Love this list. Nice to see a lot more pitchers moving along. We need a few more Hooks that are SP. Like Zastrynzy a lot he should move up faster than some of the others having pitched at Missouri and logging good innings against stronger competition. I would like to see us find the best LH in the country and get him in the 1st round. Hoping for the kid form Indiana St to have a strong season. He would be a great add. A LH who can throw 95 mph or better who knows the art of pitching and isn’t a thrower is what we need IMO.

    New Years wish list besides an offense. Resign Shark and make a big trade for Homer Bailey. He has matured into a horse on the mound. Love to have him. Doubt the Reds can afford him and will be looking to trade him. I would take him over Tanaka all day.

    • ajmills100

      I am with you on Homer Bailey. Might be worth waiting to sign him in the offseason, however.

    • Chad

      Carlos Rodon (LHP NC State) will likely be the first overall pick unfortunately. I do not care if the pitcher is LH or RH if he is a stud the cubs need to draft him.

  • http://BN Sacko

    I’m going to carry over a question..is this Jacksons last shot at staying a Cub this spring?

    • willis

      JMO, but I think he starts in Iowa and they’ll give him plenty of time there to see if he has improved at all. But there are guys coming that he needs ot get out of the way for…so I think he gets 2-3 months in Iowa and if he’s still showing contact issues…he’s gone.

  • ajmills100

    I was thinking Penalver was an obvious name not listed. I must be higher on him than others.

    When will Luke’s list be available?

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

      Close to opening day. I’ll wrap up Prospects Progress and focus on my system wide breakdowns and rankings soon.

      • ajmills100

        Cool, thanks. Will Penalver crack your top 40?

        • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

          He is a candidate. I can’t really say beyond that yet.

  • Fastball

    I personally think making a trade for Homer Bailey would move us forward quickly toward an upper tier starting rotation. The Reds system has gotten pretty thin over the last 1 1/2 years. They are wanting to trade Phillips in the worst way so they can afford to keep Votto and Bruce with their high end salaries for the Cincy market. We should broker a 3 team deal getting Phillips moved somewhere and we get Bailey and the Reds get a bunch of good prospects. Send them Watkins and some other hi ceiling lower level guys. That’s what the Reds need is to backfill their system. Theo has done business with them before. Nobody really got fleeced in the Marshall trade except he hasn’t been all that healthy for them.

    • ajmills100

      Certainly would make for a nice top 2 arms. I think Cueto’s deal is up soon, so they (Reds) may have to choose one to keep.

      In a perfect world, they would find a way to get Stephenson in the deal too.

    • Patrick G

      Highly doubt anyone will give up much for Bailey who will be a free agent next season

      • 1060Ivy

        27 year old RH starter with 2 no hitters coming off a career season striking out 8.57 per 9 and an ERA under 3.57 – the Cubs would probably be able to get him for PTBNL and a bag of water logged balls.

  • When The Musics Over

    Including just about any 16 year old in top 20/40 lists is a tough sell for me.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      Especially when they haven’t played in the States at all yet (or, hell, even DSL or VSL for some of them). I wouldn’t rank guys like Jimenez or Torres at all, if it were me.

      • Norm

        Yeah, but I’d take either of those guys over guys like Dallas Beeler or Brett Jackson.

        • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

          Eh. It’s tough. Those guys are far, far more likely to make it to the show (again, in Jackson’s case) than Jimenez and Torres. But they don’t have much upside anymore. It’s the enduring prospect-ranking problem.

          • Norm

            Yeah, definitely more likely to make it to the bigs, but what are they going to be when they get there? 4th/5th OF for Jackson? 4th/5th man in bullpen for Beeler?
            Those types are so easily obtained, that I’d rather bet on upside, even if the guy is 16 years old.

            • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

              That’s the debate! And I love it.

              And, for the record, I’d be thrilled if Jackson emerged as a true 4th outfielder in the bigs at this point – not just because of the struggles, but because he’s got the skillset to be an exceedingly valuable 4th outfielder (if he can, like, actually do it).

              • terencemann

                I still have some hope for Jackson. He’s not that far off from Drew Stubbs. Not a great player but a valuable player to have on the team.

    • Isaac

      Agreed. I understand the intent, but I don’t think there is any proof of it being deserved.

  • Fastball

    This has been an off season of weird happenings in the trade market. So Theo making a trade for Bailey would give everyone a lot to talk about and would be one hell of a new years present.

    • http://BN Sacko

      wouldn’t the asking price be very high for a starter Like Bailey?
      Giving up prospects would falter what we are trying to accomplish in the minors?
      It would have to be weird.

  • terencemann

    I’m surprised Zeke DeVoss has fallen out of sight. He has a low batting average, which isn’t a great sign, but he has a .390 OBP in the minors to go along with 30 steals per season. That’s pretty rad.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

      Still on my radar. I have concerns, but he is someone I’m watching.

      • terencemann

        That’s good to hear. I feel like he’s getting what have you done for me lately’d out of team rankings. If he has real contact issues than that’s a serious concern but that OBP seems to indicate he has some idea about what he’s doing at the plate. If he’s as athletic as he sounds, then, if you combine the athleticism and his ability to get on base and steal bases, he’s a real prospect.

  • TulaneCubs

    I’d be surprised if next year we didn’t see a lot of pitchers making fairly big jumps in these rankings.

    Because of the injuries to Conway and McNeil, the 2012 draftees have run into some issues. Between those guys, Blackburn, Underwood and the wave of pitchers we took in 2013, I’d be disappointed if people didn’t start raving about the quality depth we have in the lower levels

    • ajmills100

      With ya on this point. Pitching takes longer to develop. The results for the younger guys should start showing up this year.

    • ssckelley

      I agree, the Cubs have a nice group of pitchers at the low levels that may climb the rankings along with the farm system next season. Erick Leal is a young pitcher to keep an eye on. He has not pitched a lot yet but is only 18 years old and pitched in Arizona last season.

      • cub-hub

        Erick Leal will be one of those trades people look back and say, “they traded him for who?” I love Tony C, but Leal can make that trade look laughable.

        • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

          Leal’s numbers and age/level are super impressive, but I haven’t yet heard much in the way of scouting reports from 2013.

  • Patrick G

    It sucks that we don’t have an “ace” potential prospect in our system, but I am glad to see the amount of depth in pitching in our system. Again, no studs, but since Theo came in, the depth of possible quality starters intrigues me

    • Isaac

      Couldn’t you make an argument that C.J. is that prospect? Body issues withstanding, Tim Lincecum certainly overcame a small figure in becoming an ace.

      • Patrick G

        You could make the argument but I am just basing my statement from what I’ve read from writers/scouts. What I meant was a top tier pitching prospect like Walker/Bradley types

        • ajmills100

          To be fair, not many teams have “ace” level prospects.

        • Isaac

          It would certainly be nice to have one of those guys, but there are only a few. You (aptly) pointed out that we have created impressive depth and the possibility of breakout performances.

          • ajmills100

            Literally, there are a few. Bundy, Giolito and Bradley are it. Tough to project a pyr to be an ace.

            • Isaac

              And even then, Bundy and Giolito are both TJ veterans. Who knows…

            • http://BleacherNation blewett

              Taijuan Walker, Noah Syndergaard, and Jameson Taillon feel snubbed by your comments!

              • Xruben31

                Tallion & Syndergaard are #2 starters IMO.

              • Revery

                Is this Pate?

                • http://BleacherNation blewett

                  Yeah, who’s this?

                  • Revery

                    It’s Beau. Fancy meeting you here. Prepare for defeat this year my friend.

    • terencemann

      It’s just so rare and difficult to acquire a stud from the moment he starts in the minors. Most stud pitchers don’t start out that way. Archie Bradley is a much better prospect than he was a couple years ago. Nobody seemed to believe Michael Wacha was as good as he was this season, etc.

  • jh03

    I <3 this system.

  • http://BN Sacko

    I had a thought on Theo forcing the issue on Jackson as a 5th OF and get some value for him like they did with Bogs.

  • Ballgame17

    I’d be curious to see if/when the Cubs take a pitcher with their 1st rd pick. They’ve made me into a believer that position players pan out more often the pitchers at the top, so I curious come June if they select a pitcher. It’s looking like the Cubs may be in a position in the relatively near future to acquire a stud pitcher for some position player prospects. If that’s the case, then it’s not as dire that we don’t have a premium pitching prospect. I do like the potential of C.J. Edwards, Pierce Johnson, Arodys Vizcaino and Kyle Hendricks. It’s not like the pitching depth in the minors is weak or anything….

    • terencemann

      They have been pretty serious about taking the best player available with that #1 pick regardless of position. It’s a very good idea. Sometimes we learn later that a player taken later is better than expected but you can’t really knock them for Almora or Bryant.

  • Dumpgobbler

    No Ben Wells either. This system is stacked. I wouldn’t have Tseng, Torres, Jimenez, Mejia, ect ect in there yet.

  • JeffR

    Are the cubs bringing some of the top close to major league prospects to Chicago for a few days this winter like they did last winter? Where the players are supposed to get a taste of Chicago and learn to deal with issues major leaguers deal with. I think both wood and prior spoke to them last year.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      Good question – I believe they said that was going to become an annual thing, so I’d assume yes. If I remember correctly, last year, it was the week before the Convention (i.e., next week).

      • JeffR

        I think it was around January 17th last year. It will be interesting to see who they invite. You could certainly see a lot of the top prospects going this year as opposed to last year it was only Baez who had only seen limited time at high A

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