hall of fameToday, the results of the much-discussed Hall of Fame balloting for the 2014 class was released by the BBWAA, and, to the surprise of none, Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine, and Frank Thomas got the call, each on his first year of eligibility.

If Glavine’s enshrinement was a no-brainer – and it was – then Maddux’s was some kind of super, robot-level no-brainer. Although there were dings on Thomas – he spent so much time at DH, he missed so much time in his later years, some other stretch of a thing someone can come up with – he, too, was a clear Hall of Famer. Among his amazing stats? How about 1667 career walks against just 1397 career strikeouts?

Maddux received 97.2% of the vote (meaning Ken Gurnick was not the only person who omitted Maddux – there were 16 writers who did it. Though I’d bet that most of the rest of the folks who didn’t vote for Maddux didn’t vote for anyone). Glavine was at 91.9%, and Thomas was at 83.7%

Missing from the list of honorees, once again, is Craig Biggio, who was named on 74.8% of the ballots. The cutoff for enshrinement is 75%. He missed by one vote. Ouch.

Biggio remains an interesting case, even moreso now with new-ish whispers of a PED connection, which seem – right now – to be specious and unfair. Biggio didn’t do many things great, but he did everything well, and he did them for a very, very long time. Did you know that he stole 50 bases at age 32?

Other bits of note:

  • Sammy Sosa falls to 7.4%, though he’ll remain on the ballot another year.
  • Mike Piazza actually topped Jack Morris, 62.2% to 61.5%.
  • Barry Bonds received just 34.7% of the vote, and Roger Clemens received just 35.4%.
  • When the BBWAA server returns to functionality, you can see the full results here.
  • Blackhawks1963

    Congratulations to Maddux, Glavine and Thomas. Very pleased to see Thomas elected on the first ballot because that is the absolute right call. The man was a beast and compares to Jimmy Foxx for crying out loud.

    I guess the steroids talk has caught up with Biggio. I would never vote the steroid clowns in. That said, my opinion is that Biggio was generally clean a heckuva ballplayer. What is probably killing him is guilt by association with Jeff Bagwell and the late Ken Caminiti. On some level I feel badly for Biggio.

    A joke that Morris didn’t make it. But I guess the Veteran’s Committee can fix that in a few years.

    • Norm

      A joke that Morris got even that much support.

  • hansman

    Do they count only ballots returned in the vote totals? So if Joe Blow doesn’t get his ballot back, is it that he voted for no one or that there are 1 fewer ballots?

    • Norm

      Only returned ballots.
      So blank ballots that BBWAA members DID send in cost Biggio.

    • NorthSideIrish

      No…it’s a percentage of ballots submitted. So ballots not returned do not count, but blank ballots submitted do.

  • NorthSideIrish

    Gordon Wittenmyer ‏@GDubCub 2m
    Maddox joins Lou Brock in the Hall. Big Frank and Glavine also elected.

    Wow…congrats to Gary Maddox…and his hair…

    • Blackhawks1963

      “Two thirds of the world is covered by ocean, the other third by Garry Maddox” ! One of the great baseball quotes of all time.

  • cub-hub

    I think the committee made the right call. Glad to see the PEDers not making any progress. I hope they never get in.

    Congrats to Thomas, Maddux and Glavine.

    • weshawk

      How do you know that Glavine, Maddux, and Thomas never used anything in their careers? It’s a bad argument to use heresay or body types to assume guilt. I prefer to assume during that era that ALL players during the era used something at one time or another and thus the best of the best during the era should get in.

      • Jon

        You know I can get a good luck at a tbone steak by sticking my head up a bulls ass, but I’d rather take the butcher’s word for it.

        • Spoda17

          BEES – BEES – BEES – BEES!!!

      • Spoda17

        Really, you think it is more intelligent to assume EVERYONE used versus thinking most didn’t… I think your contradict your own statement in your response…

        • weshawk

          Absolutely. My biggest gripe with the argument that you can look at a person’s body and know that they used PEDs. I hear too often people say well this guy doubled his size from when he first came up, he must have used. I know from personal experience that between the ages of 22 and 26 I put on 45lbs of muscle and totally transformed my body and strength. I did it by eating tons of protein, carbs, supplaments, and working out religiously. I also played baseball during that time. I did all of this as a broke guy right out of college. These guys have access to the best personal trainers, equipment, nutritionists, personal chefs, etc in the world. No doubt they can put on 45lbs over a couple of years no sweat, if I could do it.

          Gabe Kapler wrote a tremendous story about his religious workout regimen and eating habits as a minor leaguer and player and looking at him most would say “user” but he never touched a PED (by all accounts). Meanwhile, Andy Pettite is widely accepted to have taken HGH during a short window to get over an injury faster. Any chance that Maddux, Biggio, Glavine, etc didn’t do the same? Who knows. Nobody really does which is why without proof I’d rather lump everyone as either a user or non-user and just evaluate the best of the best. If Sammy was hitting bombs off Clemens, Gagne, or Kevin Brown does that make him a cheater or just leveling the playing field?

          I won’t even get into the fact that it wasn’t against MLB rules to use anyway….

      • Justen

        Who let Ken Gurnick sign up for an account???

  • ibcnu2222

    Should be interesting next year when Sheffield, Smoltz, Pedro, and The Big Unit are up for election as well.

    • DarthHater

      Big Unit obviously had to be taking HGH in order to get to be 6’10″. :-P

    • Blackhawks1963

      The Big Unit, Pedro and Smoltz should be slam dunks. Biggio will also get in unless more stuff comes out on him and steroids.

      Sheffield will be lumped with the steroid crowd.

      • brickhouse

        Pedro was supposedly on the list of 104 users back in 2003

      • terencemann

        I don’t think Sheffield has the numbers even if he is beyond suspicion.

        • johnr42

          Have you looked at his numbers lately? Career .292/.393/.514 hitter, over .900 OPS. Over 500 homers, 1600+ runs and RBI’s, 9 time all star, teams constantly went to the playoffs. It doesn’t really matter if you look at it from a sabermetric standpoint, or a traditionalist standpoint. He was a fantastic player, and without the steroid bias, he is a HOF.

          • Edwin

            He has exactly 509 HR, and he’s going to have to deal with having the label of being a very good player who played for a long time (Similar to Mussina), without ever being close to being the best hitter of his era.

            Don’t get me wrong, I’d probably put him in the HOF, but he’s not automatic.

            • hansman

              He’s the guy that gets put in on a weak ballot, which means writers will pull their votes from a Maddux to vote for him to keep him on the ballot so, someday, he can get voted in.

  • NorthSideIrish

    Dan LeBetard of Miami Herald is the writer who gave his vote to the Deadspin readers…will be interesting to see how that is received and if he keeps his vote.

  • Edwin

    Next years ballot includes Pedro, Randy Johnson, John Smoltz, and Gary Sheffield.

    2016 includes Ken Griffey Jr and Trevor Hoffman.

    2017 includes Pudge, Manny, and Vlad.

    2018: Chipper Jones, Jim Thome, Scott Rolen, potentially.

    If things keep going how they are, they’re going to end up with quite the backlog.

    • Blackhawks1963

      My guess (assuming none of this keep a guy off the first ballot crapola) –

      2015 inductees….Big Unit, Pedro, Smoltz, Biggio

      2016 inductees….Griffey, Hoffman

      2017 inductees….Pudge

      2018….Chipper, Thome

      No to Vlad, Rolen, Manny. No to anybody passed over this year with exception of Biggio (unless we hear more about roids).

      • Norm

        Doesn’t Jim Thome make you wonder if he was on PEDs?? Google “Jim Thome skinny” and you’ll find one of his early baseball cards.

        Doesn’t that clearly show he was on roids?

        • Voice of Reason

          Doesn’t anybody who picked up a bat and hit a home run during the PED years make you wonder? No one player is immune.

          Frank Thomas, Jim Thome, Mike Piazza…

        • DarthHater

          Before and after. Clearly, Maddux was a juicer. :-P


          • hansman

            How did he succeed after he shaved off the mustache?

        • rc24jr

          I went to high school with Jim, his whole family is built that way. They are just big boys!

          • NorthSideIrish

            My wife went to Limestone too…she’s a couple years younger though. She said all three Thome boys are big, especially Chuck.

          • Voice of Reason

            Just because they are all big boys doesn’t mean he didn’t take steroids.

  • DarthHater

    “When the BBWAA server returns to functionality…”


    • Fishin Phil

      I blame the Death Star for that. :)

      • DarthHater

        The Emperor plausibly denies any involvement.

  • NorthSideIrish

    Sickels released his list of Top 20 Cubs prospects (actually 21) with grades No real surprises, except maybe Neil Ramirez at #13. I think Blackburn is low and Corey Black probably wouldn’t make my list.


  • shammai

    I wonder if some of the people that didn’t vote for Maddux did so because they knew he’d get in anyways (and either knew he wouldn’t be unanimous or didn’t care if he was or not) and so they figured with such a stacked ballot they’d be better off giving their support to some other guys.

  • Khross

    Roger Clemens deserves in IMO. I don’t know how much of a juicer he was but I’d vote for him if I could

    • Voice of Reason

      Funny, now we’re going to gauge our votes on how much juice they took.

      Clemens gets in because it’s believed he didn’t do as much as the other juicers?

      Bonds is out because he was a walking science experiment? He did hit more home runs than any other player in the history of the game. So what if he could glow in the dark?

  • bbmoney

    What is everyone using as their “bright line” for saying no to steroids guys? I’m seriously interested.

    Just guys you think may have used? Guys who writers have implicated (even without any evidence)? Guilt by association? Mitchell Rerport? 2003 list of guys that failed? Guys where it’s been testified to in a court of law? Guys who failed a test since 2006?

    It’s such a different set of circumstances for a guy like Piazza/Bagwell/Biggio, compared to McGwire (admitted use) or Palmiero (failed test after 2006). With people like Sosa and others somewhere in between. I just don’t get it.

    • Voice of Reason

      My “bright line” is very simple:

      Are your career numbers worthy of being in the Hall of Fame?

      Barry Bonds is the all time Home Run hitter… put him in.
      Mike Piazza is the best offensive catcher of all time… put him in.
      Sammy Sosa is one of the all time best home run hitters… put him in.

      You cannot argue with the numbers. Those numbers are fact and part of baseball history. Put them in the hall with asteriks next to their name or in a special wing of the hall of fame.

      I don’t care what you do, but those players who put up career numbers that are Hall of Fame worthy deserve to be in the hall, period.

      • brickhouse

        Totally agree with voice of reason regarding putting in the best players based on performance.

        The writers didn’t care while the players were putting up the numbers
        The commisioner didn’t care
        The players union didn’t care
        The owners didn’t care
        The GM’s and managers didn’t care – 3 of those mgr’s were just elected to the HOF

        • Voice of Reason


          you’re exactly right.

          Where were the sportswriters at when all the roids were being taken?
          Yet now they are saying they cannot vote for players who were using roids?

          Whatever credibility they had is gone.

          • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

            I completely agree with all of this, only players that should not be considered are caught or admitted and been suspended. Ban Palmerio, Manny, Braun, ARod (if his appeal doesn’t win), and any of the other players that have been punished under the new rules. Stop with the witch hunt and keep the Hall the museum it is. Right now the hall will be missing the most prolific players of an era because a bunch of righteous tyrannical writers decided there numbers are not worthy? For years 3000 hits, 600 HR were an automatic but no the Hall has morals? Ethics? The Hall is becoming quite the joke and is no longer sacred grounds for baseball fans. The BBWAA seem to forget the hall is for the fans more than the players and it is not their own secret club. I done with the Hall being meaningful.

      • Noah_I

        I agree with your general assessment, but Sosa stays out for me. Too short a peak. Hall of Very Good for me, but not Hall of Fame.

        • cubzfan23

          “Too short a peak” Are you freaking kidding me. He had 9 years where he had over 100 rbi’s and avg 35 or more homeruns. & of those 9 years 40 + homeruns, 6 of those 9 years 119 + rbi’s. # years with 60 + homers which noone else has accomplished. Do some research before you post shit that you haven’t got a clue about.

          I am on the fence about who gets in and who doesn’t but I remember hearing that even with steroids having an impact you still have to make contact. Sosa was alot of things including a doper but he did enough to be considered one of the greatest and to be put in the hall.

          One of the comments earlier hit the nail on the head, nobody cared about this shit when Sosa and McGwire brought fans back to baseball with the homerun chase. So go ahead everyone and blast me and say that this isn’t true.

          I loved watching Sosa play baseball and he treated people right when he was playing and gave everyone a show. Yea he did some wrong but atleast he didn’t treat people like shit like Bonds always did.

          Okay blast away

      • mjhurdle

        You can put the numbers in the HoF all day.
        That has little to do with honoring cheaters.
        Part of the Hall Of Fame requirements are Integrity and Sportsmanship. Cheaters violate both of those.
        And the argument that there are other cheaters already in the hall is pointless. Mistakes made or not made in the past has no bearing on doing what you think is right today. The logic is as silly as saying that Lou Gherig wasn’t a first ballot HoF, so no one should be a first ballot HoF.

        Put their accomplishments in the museum. Note their achievements and the effect on the game.
        But don’t honor them for cheating.

        Now, where you draw the line on who cheated…that is teh hard part :)

        • Voice of Reason

          mjhurdle typed: “Part of the Hall Of Fame requirements are Integrity and Sportsmanship”

          That’s so funny. How in the hell did Mickey Mantle or Ron Santo get elected then? Boy I could go on and on with integrity and sportsmanship now that you’ve opened up that can of worms!

          • mjhurdle

            you could, but that would useless.
            We are arguing over whether or not it is right to let cheaters in the HoF.
            What happened in the past has zero relevance to whether it is right to let a cheater in today.

            Now, you could argue that the HoF should change it’s requirements, and you would have a point there. But that is a completely different discussion.

        • bbmoney

          “Now, where you draw the line on who cheated…that is teh hard part :)”

          Exactly. While I may not agree with your position in the rest of your comment, I’m really trying to figure out how people determine who cheated. What’s the logic…is the standard of proof really just an eye test for some people? or pure speculation by others?

    • Cyranojoe

      My bright line is PUT PETE ROSE IN ALREADY. Still the game’s hits leader. Good grief. (Also, ha! Check out who’s tied at #225 — Aramis and Soriano, at 2,045 hits apiece.)

      After that, I haven’t thought out the bright line of steroids. I’m increasingly persuaded by the idea that they get into the Hall, and we asterisk the hell out of it. I hate that, I really do, but it’s kind of how it is. Especially since I believe with all my heart that Pete Rose’s accomplishments on the field as a player deserve enshrinement, no matter what he did as a coach, gambling, blah blah blah.

      • bbmoney

        Sure, who get’s the asterisk though?

        Guys who failed after the 2006 testing started? Guys who admitted it? Guys people think used? Guys with Backne. Where do you draw the asterisk line if that’s the route you go?

  • cubfanincardinalland

    The whole thing has turned into a circus. Exactly how do players get excluded for bring linked to steroids, yet Tony LaGenius gets swept in with nary a negative vote. They should have Seargent Schultz be his presenter. Its just a museum in New York at this point.

  • mikelach13

    Although I think Biggio is a better fit in the Hall of the Very Good, not Hall of Fame. I do feel bad for the guy missing by one vote.

  • RoughRider

    There are people that say the PED users shouldn’t be in the HOF. I don’t know about that, but I do remember a quote from a player years ago that was “if your not cheating, your not trying hard enough. It may have been Mark Grace.
    PED users were/are cheaters. So were spitball pitchers and any pitcher that doctored a ball in anyway. So are players that use an altered bat. There was, is and always will be cheaters in every area of life and especially in sports were huge sums of money is involved. I’m not so sure that players that used PEDs should be excluded. They still had to have the talent in the first place. From my understanding users recovered faster from injuries and the aches and pains of playing almost every day for 7 months a year and a career may be extended at the risk of serious health problems in later life. I wouldn’t be surprised that some day down the road that players will be allowed to use PEDs with no repercussions, especially if there is no long term health issues.

    • Blackhawks1963

      It’s one thing to pop a greenie, suck down a 5 hour energy, or scrape up a baseball. But it is something of a million times greater magnitude to take performance enhancing drugs and make a farce of the game. Whether it was Brady Anderson zooming up to 50 home runs in a season or Luis Gonzalez doing the same or Sam-ME Steroid getting to the 60′s totals in home runs or McGwire looking like Lou Ferragno or Bonds’ head size grow 3 times along with his home run totals.

      • Voice of Reason


        Those are all your opinions. And, the next guy has another opinion. Where do we draw the line? Is it ok to drink coffee before the game? That’s a stimulant. Greenies? A 5 hour energy drink. A little cocaine between innings?

        The bottom line is we don’t know what the players are taking that gives each of them a competitive advantage. It’s all done for that reason, to get an advantage. You just can’t say that this is ok or that’s ok and this is not ok or that is not.

        The bottom line is… the numbers are the numbers. Bonds hit more home runs than anybody else no matter if he was drinking a 5 hour energy drink, took a greenie or got the best blow job before the game that he ever had! You can’t say one is better or worse than the other in terms of a competitive advantage. BONDS DESERVES TO BE IN THE HALL OF FAME because all of those home runs went over the fence!

      • RoughRider

        Don’t get me wrong Blackhawks1963. I absolutely hate that the game has been tarnished by cheaters. I just think that there are cheaters at every level. The Cubs front office lost a draft pick for cheating. Ty Cobb used to sharpen his spikes and go into a base spikes high to intimidate and or injure players. Cheating has been in baseball as long as there has been baseball. I don’t really care about the HOF anyway. The fact that Santo didn’t get in until after he was gone makes it all a farce anyway. Yeah, I’m still bitter about that.

      • Cyranojoe

        How is taking *those* drugs more of a farce than scraping the ball, popping greenies, using Adderall (aka meth), etc? You’re drawing an arbitrary line, and I’m doubtful you’re aware of the chemical/biological processes involved in PEDs, HGH, etc. Correct me if I’m wrong, please.

        • Norm

          You’re not wrong, he draws an arbitrary line and just leaves it at that.

    • scorecardpaul

      RoughRider, You would like to read an article from a Sports Illustrated magazine from the year 1969. (The only reason I still have it is because it has Ron Santo on the cover). The article talks about how the good teams in MLB provide their players with the needed chemical advantages. It has an opinion that if the other teams don’t catch up that they will be left behind. They talk about specific drugs by name including uppers downers and steroids. The article talked about how the teams that were winning handed these out freely in the locker room. The entire point of the article was that if teams wanted to keep up then they should provide these drugs also. These drugs were simply a needed part of the game.

      • Cyranojoe


      • Norm


        “A few pills—I take all kinds—and the pain’s gone,” says Dennis McLain of the Detroit Tigers. McLain also takes shots, or at least took a shot of cortisone and Xylocaine (anti-inflammant and painkiller) in his throwing shoulder prior to the sixth game of the 1968 World Series—the only game he won in three tries. In the same Series, which at times seemed to be a matchup between Detroit and St. Louis druggists, Cardinal Bob Gibson was gobbling muscle-relaxing pills, trying chemically to keep his arm loose.

        “We occasionally use Dexamyl and Dexedrine [amphetamines]…. We also use barbiturates, Seconal, Tuinal, Nembutal…. We also use some anti-depressants, Triavil, Tofranil, Valium…. But I don’t think the use of drugs is as prevalent in the Midwest as it is on the East and West coasts,” said Dr. I. C. Middleman, who, until his death last September, was team surgeon for the St. Louis baseball Cardinals

        More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1082575/index.htm

        • scorecardpaul

          Thanks for the link Norm. I will have to go back and read this when I get time. I didn’t want to take my copy out of it’s frame. Now I can read it again. I sure am glad that this younger generation is still willing to help out the old farts with all of your knowledge. I would have never even thought of looking for the article on line. Thanks.

        • Drew7

          Ah, The Golden Age of baseball – things were so simple back then.

          Someone print this article off an shove it up Murray Chass’ ass.

  • RoughRider

    Congrats to Greg Maddux for doing it the right way.

  • Blackhawks1963

    I’m pleased with how the vote turned out. I think Biggio was generally clean and should be in, but I won’t fight for his battle all that hard. Besides he will get in next year. Bummed about Morris, but I respect the arguments that say no to his induction.

    What pleases me MOST are a few things.

    1. Thomas got in, and decisively so, on the first ballot. Thomas was an absolute Jimmy Foxx like beast. His one stretch of 10 plus years is the stuff of the legends if you take the time to peel back the onion on his statistical performance. He was also robbed of at least one MVP award when Jason Juicer Giambi won in 2002.

    2. That the roiders were soundly rejected. I am most happy to see Sam-ME Steroid fall to only 7.7% of the vote. Thank God for justice. Also pleased to see Piazza, Bagwell, McGwire and the mighty Bonds punched in the stomach like they should be. Steroids are a million miles different than greenies and pep pills, boys and girls. Steroids inextricably altered the course of play. Steroids were/are just as bad as Pete Rose betting on baseball games.

    • brickhouse

      Who can say for sure that Frank Thomas never used. He was part of an Auburn football team that was known as a big steroid using group.

      Also some clinical studies show amphetamines ehancing performance over steroids.

      If you want to keep Bonds/SosaMcGwire/etc group out for using PEDs or hiding behind the integrity or character clause then you can kick out the majority of the already elected HOF players

  • jh03

    Goat, I need you to show me how to run that blocking script.

  • Diehardthefirst

    This vote only underscores the absurdity of considering giving Shark any more money or even an extension when you consider the greatness of Maddux and Glavine neither of whom would ever dream of demanding what Shark is seeking– and don’t get me started on Tanaka

    • baldtaxguy

      Money was the reason Maddux left the Cubs.

  • Mouse1

    Don’t understand why they vote for Barry Bonds but not for Sammy. There is a lot of hate toward Sammy but not to Bonds, when a lot more has been heard and said about Bonds. I have a pretty good reason why but not going to say because of course people are going to say I am crazy. Same reason why Pudge didn’t get to play a couple more years so he could get to 3000 hits. Anyone willing to guess?

    • jh03

      It’s because even if you accept steriod users, you can make a case against Sammy. If you accept steroid users, Bonds is a slam dunk 100% HOF.

    • mjhurdle

      I think that Bonds gets more HoF votes because he was a HoF talent before people believe he started using PEDs. He was a special player from day 1.
      Sammy Sosa’s only argument to get in the HoF is gaudy HR totals. Power is something that is probably most strongly linked to PED advantages in the minds of most people. So if you suspect Sosa, that discredits the only thing he did that would make him HoF worthy.
      If you took away PEDs from Bonds, i think most people believe that he still would have had a HoF worthy career.
      Just my opinion though.

    • hansman

      ” I have a pretty good reason why but not going to say because of course people are going to say I am crazy.”

      I would like to hear this line of reasoning.

    • DarthHater

      “Anyone willing to guess?”

      Sure, I’ll take a shot: Ummm, you’re crazy? :-P

  • beerhelps

    I used to care who juiced and who didn’t. Now I simply just don’t care. Put ‘em all in if they put up the numbers. It’s just a museum for crying out loud.

  • BWA

    Sickels posted his top 20 if anyone is interested. I’m sure Brett will be on it shortly.

  • http://kempfintl.com pfk

    Maddux is my all time favorite pitcher. He was so crafty and precise. Watching him pitch was like watching a surgeon at work. It was great from the center field camera because you could see how he would work a hitter…in tight, the low and away (changing speeds), then some high cheese….struck him out. Played the batter like a violin!

  • DarthHater

    Interesting article at Grantland about baseball writers’ coverage of the PED era:


    • cub-hub

      Very good article. Goes to show that most writers didn’t know. It also shows that it was hard for them to accept it, meaning they gave the players benefit of the doubt. This is why I have no problem with them not voting for them.

      • scorecardpaul

        cub-hub, did you read the entire article? It just shows that most writers didn’t care (or feel it was their job) to look into it. The article tells me that steroids were being used by way more players than most of you are saying used (80% of all players of the time) I find it very interesting that this is the article that you would be linking to that allows the writers to keep the players out. I think you should go back and read the entire article.

  • Canadian Cubs Fan

    What’s with these new “whispers” about Biggio? I’ve never heard him linked to PED’s before. Is it really just because he was friends with/played with Bagwell and Caminiti? I hope there’s more to it than that, because then Jeter shouldn’t get in for playing on the same side of the infield as ARod.

    I hope he gets in next year. He played 3 different positions, had over 3,000 hits, and left it all out there every day. He should be in.

  • http://deepcenterfield.mlblogs.com/ Jason Powers

    Speaking of HOF production, Mike Trout is doing that….Projected Cubs OF: tied for last.[img]http://cdn.fangraphs.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/troutfields2014steamer.png[/img]

    • Isaac

      This was such a hilariously awesome graph…other than the Cubs results, of course.

  • 70′s Cub

    Sportswriters who voted Braun after he failed baseballs testing program as the NL MVP. For example like Fox’s Sr. baseball reporter (Ken Rosen) he should turn in his HOF vote for good. Risk access to inside information or do the right thing and stand for what you as the phony reporter keeps jawing. Stabbing at past players because it is PC and safe is bull, throwing out a complete generation should include the sports reporters as well.

  • LER

    It’s worth remembering that Bonds was convicted of perjury, not PED use. Two of his journalistic accusers went to prison because they violated the law in obtaining the testing results. Players like McGwire, Sosa, Bagwell and Biggio (a descending order of alleged lying or truth avoidance) were not charged with anything by either the Law or by organized baseball. If innuendo is a replacement for evidence, then they’re guilty, but until evidence appears, then they’re not. That’s how this country is supposed to work.

    • cub-hub

      That how this country works in a court of law. Or even in baseball. Evidence is required for there to be charges levied. However, in the court of publc opinion, this is not a requirement. The hall is a voe of public opinion. Anyone who thinks Sosa, Bonds, Clemens, McGwire, Bagwell and others didn’t use, has been dead for the last 15 years, or being ignorant to try and make their point.

      • bbmoney

        One of those names isn’t like the others.

        • cub-hub

          I’m assuming you mean Bagwell. That dude is more dirty than a needle in a dope house. Literally. I also have my suspicion of Biggio, but I have not one single count Bagwell used.

          • bbmoney

            Your apparent power to know the unknown witout any evidence should be put to better use than this…….

            • cub-hub

              You ability to come across as naive is pretty convenient. We’ll call it convenient naivity. :-D I get it, you dont think cheating is a big deal. If that is the case, then just say it. But do act like guys where there is plenty of smoke are innocent. Notice I said smoke and not evidence. In this case, smoke on most of these players is sufficient enough. If you think they should be in, even though I disagree, I get the point. But don’t claim he’s innocent, because you don’t that Bagwell(sure he’s guilty), or even Biggio(dont think he’s guilty, just have suspicions) is clean anymore than I know they’re dirty.

              • bbmoney

                Not naive. I fully admit he may have used. I’m just not claiming to know things I can’t possibly know without an admission, failed test, or at least testimony in a court of law saying someone used.

                One writer saying he thinks someone used and not providing anything to back that up or the eye test isn’t enough for me to say I know something.

      • ClevelandCubsFan

        Biggio: no hints of PEDs
        Bagwell: a few rumors, no evidence
        Sosa: name found on list that is purported to be a secret list of players who tested positive for PEDs in a trial testing period that was supposed to be anonymous; charges of massive physique change
        McGwire: admitted PED use after repeated accusations and evidence; massive physique changes

  • Diehardthefirst

    Biggio has hired Bushs lawyer asking for recount- stay tuned/ hanging chads anyone?

    • DarthHater

      Source? :-P

      • Diehardthefirst

        Internets 😀

        • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

          Good know can you link a source? Just copy and paste.

        • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

          Is this your source?
          “@chucktodd: Isn’t Biggio close enough to ask for a recount? Must be a hanging writer chad somewhere.”

  • http://cubhouseblog.com CubHouseBlog

    Congrats to Mad-Dog, The Big Hurt, and Glavine. Too bad for Biggio he deserves to be in hopeful next year. I would have also voted for Bagwell, Kent, Morris, Piazza, and Lee Smith. Sad to see Jack Morris off the ballot as well.

    • arta

      doesn’t he now go to the veterans committee ballot? IMO either ur a HOF player or ur not. nothing against Morris but 15 years and now five more? I believe it’s 5 more on the veterans ballot.

Bleacher Nation Privacy Policy and Terms of Use. Bleacher Nation is a private media site, and it is not affiliated in any way with Major League Baseball or the Chicago Cubs. Neither MLB nor the Chicago Cubs have endorsed, supported, directed, or participated in the creation of the content at this site, or in the creation of the site itself. It's just a media site that happens to cover the Chicago Cubs.

Bleacher Nation is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com.