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masahiro tanakaAt the end of an exhausting process, Masahiro Tanaka elected to sign with the New York Yankees on a seven-year, $155 million deal (with an opt-out after four years, and a no-trade clause). The Cubs are believed to have been the runners up for Tanaka.

You can understand my surprise, then, to see Patrick Mooney and Gordon Wittenmyer reporting with confidence that the Cubs’ final offer to Tanaka was a mere six years and $120 million (with no opt-out, and, presumably, no no-trade clause). With multiple reports that the Yankees and Cubs, together with the Dodgers, were the finalists for Tanaka, and reports out of LA that the Dodgers were outbid by the Yankees and Cubs by “a decent amount,” it would seem that the Cubs really were the number two bidder for Tanaka, behind the Yankees. (Dave Kaplan has reported as much, as well.)

So, here’s where I’m having trouble: if the Cubs were the runner-up for Tanaka, but bid only six-years, $120 million (without an opt-out and without a no-trade clause) … why did the Yankees blow that offer away with an additional year, an additional $35 million, and additional (and very valuable) clauses?

Do the Yankees hate money?

Did Tanaka hate New York so much that they simply had to outspend the field by such a wide margin to get Tanaka to choke down his hatred for the Yankees and sign on?

See where I’m going with this? I’m really struggling to reconcile these things.

I believe that Mooney and Wittenmyer have sources that say the Cubs’ final (official) offer was six-years and $120 million, and I don’t necessarily doubt those sources. But unless the Yankees received the message that there was a team pushing them to up the offer to the range in which it landed – particularly when considering that Tanaka’s clear desire was to sign with the Yankees – they had no reason to climb as high as they did. Is is possible that the Cubs’ final offer was just $120 million, but they let agent Casey Close know that their ceiling was actually higher than that (if they really felt like Tanaka would agree)? That would square with reports from Dave Kaplan, Bruce Levine, and Jesse Rogers, among others, in advance of Tanaka’s signing, which implied (or outright said) that the Cubs were willing to go much higher than $120 million over six years.

That’s just about the only way to explain the Yankees’ over-the-top offer. Someone had to be pushing them. And if it wasn’t the Dodgers, and if the Dodgers and Cubs were the next two bidders … well, it had to be the Cubs. And six-years, $120 million from the Cubs doesn’t push the Yankees to a seven-year, $155 million deal (with an opt-out after four years, and a no-trade clause).

So, if I’m trying to wrap my head around why the Yankees did what they did, and if I’m trying to square the seemingly conflicting reports (without saying that anyone is flatly wrong – because what do I know?), the most reasonable conclusions are:

  • The Cubs’ final offer for Tanaka was six years and $120 million. That was probably the second highest official offer that Tanaka received, and it is far lower than the Yankees’ deal or the rumored Cubs offers in the run-up to the decision. This is fairly disappointing. However …
  • The Cubs likely let Tanaka’s agent know that they would be willing to come up from that offer if it meant they could get Tanaka, understanding all the while that they would probably have to blow the Yankees away to actually get Tanaka (something they were unwilling to do, given the final contract). Tanaka’s agent likely used this information to drive up the price on the Yankees. That’s why the Yankees’ final deal appears so gratuitous.

Of course, it’s possible that Tanaka’s agent simply played the Yankees, who are only now learning that they weren’t being pushed nearly as much as they thought. Perhaps the media reports that had the Cubs willing to go much higher were enough to do the trick. I’d like to think the Yankees would be savvier than that, but, again, what do I know?

I recognize there is a natural instinct in a Cubs fan to intellectually wrangle an explanation that makes the Cubs look better than a mere cheap team with no money to spend on top talent. But I don’t think I’m doing those kinds of mental summersaults this one. The above explanation, to me, is the most likely one for how everything has played out.

We may never know the whole story. But I’ve already written just about everything I wanted to say about Tanaka, anyway. And now I just added another 800 words. Grumble.

  • Johnny Chess

    I think Tanaka performs less than or equal to Dice K.

    • Scotti

      I think he is equal to a healthy Matsuzaka or just a tad better.

  • MattM

    Brett, I like that you love the Cubs and so do I. I completely agreed with what they were trying to do in the first few years. The problem is that every sign we are seeing has them coming out now is absolutely cheapskates who are trying to change the narrative to look like they are always trying.

    You got on me because I told you that there is no report showing the Cubs as close to 150 mil. Dave Kaplan and Levin are the only two clowns who were saying stuff like that. In your own piece though you are absolutely wrangling. The facts are the facts. How do you know it wasn’t the Dodgers who were the closest team to the Yankees?

    Also, we ALL know that 6 and 120 was never going to get it done. Go figure 6 and 120. This team is cheap and has a way of making excuses for everything! They ARE the most profitable team in baseball! We know that!

    And now Epstein and crew have convinced (even the smarter fans) on this site that they have the money and WOULD spend it if it meets certain goals. Here are the goals….Has to be under 28, has to be awesome, can’t ask for more than 6 and 120 when because of the market they are worth more.

    In that case with those stipulations it means that the Cubs NEVER have to spend because they will NEVER see any free agents that meet that criteria. There is noone left from Japan or Cuba who is as good as Tanaka was. This is going to keep happening until Ricketts lets someone (Cuban) buy more than half of the team and actually cares about winning.

    • brainiac

      this is all mostly right, including its exasperation. how does the saying go? first time as tragedy, the second time as farce?

      the “plan” is a farce.

      • JB88

        How, with a straight face, can you call a plan that is premised upon drafting and adding impact talent a farse when that talent is just now arriving at AA and AAA?

        Whether it will ultimately prove successful is a different question, but to call the plan a “farse” seems a bit much.

        • brainiac

          “the plan” isn’t drafting players. that’s called baseball. every team follows that “plan” and always has, and always will.

          “the plan” is to wait to construct a major league with any seriousness team until the owners are making even more money and our current minor league talent can stock the pros for less money. everyone loves the idea of having great young talent. but “the plan” goes further and promises that their approach to this will somehow be magical and cathartic and dodge the usual rules of baseball development.

          • brainiac

            the result? we don’t sign anyone we need and we have terrible teams. “the plan is working” is now rightfully being seen as shorthand for “ruh roh!”

          • JB88

            Thank you for cogently outlining your reasoning. I understand your position now. I don’t know that I consider the plan a farse, but your reasoning was far more lucid than I was ready to give you credit for.

            • Scotti

              Stop with the civility or you will be banned!

              I’m actually very impressed with this level of comity. This site would EXPLODE to ridiculous heights (hits, comments, money for Ace and his family) if 10-15 regulars consistently adopted this path.

          • gnjaxon

            My question to you though is who should the team have spent on? Ellsbury, Cano and Choo are too overpriced to be of much value currently. Pujols, Hamilton and Fielder were not worth their long term deals, Neither is Jose Reyes or CC. The Cubs are seeking long term value. That means concentrating on available players in the 25-28 range. There have been very few players who fit into that mold and even fewer who are actually talented enough to warrant a long term deal. The Cubs have been in on those type of players. The 155 for Tanaka, 252 after the posting fee and luxury taxes, is a bit of an overreach for any team save the Yankees.

            The only real reason the plan appears not to be working is the statistical regression in players like Rizzo and Castro. Theo and Jed sought to rectify that by firing Sveum. If Rizzo and Castro progressed like expected last season things probably would not appear as bleak.

  • dannybaseball

    Think taxes played a part in it? Maybe the yanks had to compensate for that.

    • Danny Ballgame

      You gotta be kiddin me

      • JB88

        NYC has a city tax that is particularly high, so it wouldn’t surprise me if the Yankees accounted for that somehow. Of course, you have to remember that tax rates for professional athletes differs depending on the state in which they are playing, so while the NYC tax rate would be applicable, it would only be for those games played in NYC.

      • dannybaseball

        Hey, I signed up either the day of, or day after it was available. Lol

        • Danny Ballgame

          All good man. I did the same and this site is plenty big enough for the both of us.

  • skynetlance

    So if Tanaka dominates and then opts out? do we go through this and try to sign him again at that time?

  • Blackhawks1963

    This proves that some people got way, way carried away that the Cubs would do whatever it took to get Tanaka. This board has become infested with some who selectively interpret everything said or motioned by Theo and Jed. And now some of those same suspects are downplaying how well Tanaka will do in the majors to fit their recalibrated storyline.

    Also, while I am unabashed supporter of the Theo building strategy I do take objection for how Brett has become a defacto mouthpiece and endorser of everything the Cubs do or do not do. Brett, you need to take a step back and regain your objective footing I’m afraid.

    The sobering reality right now is that the 2014 Cubs are likely to be wickedly awful. And the Wrigley renovation has become a total clusterfu(k with no end in sight.

    • fortyonenorth

      “Brett has become a defacto mouthpiece and endorser of everything the Cubs do or do not do.”

      I think Brett’s very objective. He just couches his objective views in a positive way–unlike those who would twist the second coming of Greg Maddux into a downer. I appreciate his approach.

      • https://www.facebook.com/AnotherSpaceSong Bret Epic

        I used to think of Brett’s writing the same way, but he’s just more rational about his articles than other fans are. I’m sure if you were to sit down and have a conversation with him, he’d have a much different and more extreme viewpoint on certain things than his articles convey. Hard for a decent journalist to be bias and do his job properly at the same time. Many journalists who try being bias end up getting sued, unfortunately.

        • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

          This is all fair – well, you and 41, I mean. There is nothing I write that I don’t believe. But you’re absolutely right that, if you caught me in the moment and I weren’t committing words to the permanence of the Internet, I am far more prone to wild fits of negativity and extreme opinionism. (If you listen to the podcast, it happens all of the time.)

          As for the criticism that I’m too positive, I’m just being me. There was a time in my life when I was far more negative, but, like, why be that way? There’s a misconception in the world right now – especially online – that somehow only the negative folks are being “honest” or “authentic” or “smart.” You can’t possibly see the world (the Cubs world, in my instance) in a positive light, because, if you do, you must be full of shit. Well, once again, I’m just being me. What some people view as irrational optimism, I view as balance and fandom. Very few folks can walk that line without receiving criticism from a variety of corners, so I’m just going to take it in stride.

          And, for the record, I’ve indicated many times just how crummy I expect the 2014 Cubs to be. If you’re going to rip me, at least know what you’re talking about.

          • https://www.facebook.com/AnotherSpaceSong Bret Epic

            Personally, I commend you for maintaining a level of professionalism, even when you have to witness people having a crap parade all over the site you’ve developed.

          • hansman

            To be fair…that’s not just a modern thing. Those kind of folks just generally tend to Comment, A LOT.

            Also, a general trend is they never really engage in much of a discussion outside of a couple talking points.

            • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

              The greater the hostility the greater the need to be heard. Think about how many people you hear complain everyday and how many you hear talk about how great life is? Yeah it’s a sad reality of human nature. Haters goin hat and hate loudly.

              • DarthHater

                Damn straight.

                [img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7385/9322737514_6eca3ff54b_o.gif[/img]

                • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

                  At least a Sith Lord uses his hate to become all powerful.

          • brainiac

            5 bourbons, Brett… you’ve earned it. and tell jed to go sit in a puddle.

          • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

            “There was a time in my life when I was far more negative, but, like, why be that way?”

            EXACTLY! If something that is to give you joy and entertainment punishes you so much that fits of loud noises and hostility is how you respond- it’s time to find another entertaining distraction. That is what baseball is for fans entertaining distractions that take the weight of our lives and the world off for a few minutes. There are so many real reason to be upset with the world and so many things that our bodies and society burden us with everyday it’s saddens me that people actually watch something they hate so much. For some this hate is their distraction and ESPN, Jim Rome, and others have taught people that Baylessing is healthy way to enjoy sports. It’s sad and pathetic way to waste your time.

            For me the day a Cubs game doesn’t give me the pastoral nature only baseball provides, the calms and explosions of every pitch, and the beautiful and poetic truth of a game that at its simplistic is two men, a ball, and a stick. When that becomes bile spewing hatred- I’ll leave. Life is full of joys and sorrows and when we have a choice- choose the joy.

            Enjoy life, enjoy your distractions, at any time life may slam you with a reality that makes all this meaningless. I love the Cubs, I love talking about them, I love breaking down stats, I LOVE IT so why would I choose to hate it as so many have done over the past few years.

            Take care everyone, hug your kids, love your life.

            • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

              Very much this, MG.

            • TWC

              “There are so many real reason to be upset with the world and so many things that our bodies and society burden us with everyday it’s saddens me that people actually watch something they hate so much.”

              Exactly. The amount of energy some folks put into their anger and frustration over things like baseball is baffling.

              Its a magical world out there. Go exploring.

              • Diehardthefirst

                👏👏👏👏👏👏👏🏃🏃🏃🏃🏃🏃

              • DarthHater

                [img]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7316/12126432166_04dd027043_n.jpg[/img]

                • TWC

                  Looks like a happy unicorn to me!

                  • DarthHater

                    It’s a magical world.

                • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

                  I’m disappointed Darth… No Meme? Just a stock image, your slipping.

                  • DarthHater

                    [img]http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8111/8490422542_b407287acf_m.jpg[/img]

                    Better? :-P

                  • DarthHater

                    And what are you saying about my slipping? ;-)

              • brainiac

                see, these comments read more like despair to me than contentedness. i’d prefer pessimistic pragmatism to any sugar coated pill. the problem here is that the team, for whatever reason, hasn’t been doing it’s job correctly. saying we should be happy anyway is kind of what politicians say right before something’s about to go horribly wrong.

                • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

                  Yeah the team is bad the organization keeps missing… It sucks. So 1-I could love baseball, root for the Cubs, hope it changes (because what I say has no impact), and enjoy life OR 2-find a baseball message board, complain all the time, get angry at onybody who isn’t as angry as I am, and put all this energy into spewing hate and frustration. Hmmmm I wonder which one sounds better.

                  If your disgusted and want your voice heard there are plenty of social issues that need voices like your, but you choose baseball? I’m sorry you see how sad that is right? Tomorrow ask yourself “how much am I complaining” vs “how often am I happy” and get back to us.

                  • baldtaxguy

                    Well stated. Not sure I’ll ever get what motivates the negativity about baseball. In some cases, I suspect its faux commenting to get attention, because it does.

                    • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

                      That’s exactly the reason

                  • Soda Popinski

                    Atta boy, Goat.

                  • brainiac

                    see there’s a dispositional difference here. you’re not content until you’re complacent. most of us aren’t content until we’re winning. and we want to see evidence that we’re building toward winning with good faith.

                    when the good faith effort isn’t there, we analyze it. after the same problem happens again, and again, we get sarcastic.

                    • baldtaxguy

                      I see it as one package with winning the WS being the ultimate payoff for me as a fan. Don’t assume that I don’t critically examine each transaction. Don’t assume that I am happy with all the FO moves. Don’t assume that I am not impatient. Don’t assume that because I love the Cubs and baseball that I am complacent or indifferent about them winning. Don’t assume that I am not sarcastic.

                      But do assume that juvenile, whining, foot-stomping, hyperbolic, and otherwise “watch me bitch” commentary, is tiresome, says little, and makes me wish there was an ignore button to use on the serial posters, since they often have the most less to say.

            • Greenroom

              Well said, everyone. In academia, society, etc I find that we can be so critical of every little thing, to a point that nothing would ever get accomplished or even have a blog such as this. I am all for the critical, for the most part rational improvement of all things, but when do we reach a breaking point? Perspectives and opinions always seem to be so tied to people’s personal world view and their ego. Let it go, let it flow. The zen of baseball, the sounds, the visuals, etc are such a source of joy and peace for me, as I am sure for others, as MG stated. Life is short, live a little, and laugh and enjoy it even more. Brett gives his opinion, and so many times I don’t like the way he is so rational. But I respect his position, when he does. But I also like that we get to Brett’s human side, when he shares his hopes and disappointments with us. Brett and others on here often articulate things about baseball that I never knew on my own. I enjoy coming to BN everyday and learning from everyone. Some more than others, ha But I try everyday to find one thing to be thankful for, its the little things, like reading BN or coming home on Friday afternoon to watch the Cubs. I don’t know anyone on BN personally, but it seems some people don’t have joy in there life and BN is a place for them to come and get some attention or vent, when maybe their angst has nothing to do with baseball or Brett. IMHO you have two choices in life, Fear and Love. I choose love every time. Don’t let fear (whatever it is for you) lead you to anger, it is so very simple to do. And when the Cubs win the world series, we can look back and laugh and say we were all in this together. Personally, I cannot wait for the day, when I sign on to BN and read Brett’s and everyone’s posts on how good it feels that the Cubs won the World Series. peace~

              MG, I am going to hug a beer and my girlfriend. Don’t tell her I said beer first ;)

              • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

                Well said Greenroom, I’ve been trying to fully articulate the Zen of baseball and why it’s the only sport I really care about. It’s just a sport unlike any other and infinite in it’s glory. It has no clock, curved angled lines, and as I said at it’s simplest is a pitcher vs a batter and I love it. Football is measured timed mess compared to the glory of baseball.

              • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

                Oh and enjoy that beer… and there is a difference between beer and a girlfriend?

                • DarthHater

                  **insert string of tasteless jokes here**

                  • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

                    My girlfriend is never tasteless ;)

                • DarthHater
                  • Greenroom

                    heeeeyoooooooo!

            • cubbiehawkeye

              I drink to that

    • DarthHater

      Yea, Brett, you should really take some writing tips from Blackhawks–since he is BN’s recognized authority on how to articulate one’s opinions.

  • Rebuilding

    An I missing something about this article? It wasn’t an auction. Presumably the Yankees had no idea what the Cubs bid. So, maybe they just believed media reports that the Cubs were willing to go much higher to at least 7/160. So they overpaid. Isn’t that Occam’s Razor

    • DarthHater

      Occam cut his own throat with his razor on the day the first sports blog came into existence. :-P

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      It wasn’t a blind bid.

      • DarthHater

        Do you have actual information that the Yankees knew what the Cubs and other teams had bid?

        • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

          Multiple reports indicated that day that Tanaka’s agent had gone back to the Yankees early this week, and they then upped their offer. That’s not a blind bidding system.

          • http://bleachernation.com woody

            So if the cubs only offered 120 million then there must have been another team that was in play. Did LA offer 6 yrs. 120 million and that was Tanaka’s prefered destination? And maybe the yankees had to over pay to keep him from going to the west coast. Maybe his agent said this is what it takes to keep him from signing with the dodgers.

          • DarthHater

            “Not a blind bidding system” does not automatically mean that teams know the amount of each other’s bids. Somebody has to disclose that information–most likely, it would be the player’s agent, but it could also be a leak. But the mere fact that the agent went back to the Yankees and they subsequently upped their offer does not prove that the Yankees knew how much the Cubs or any other team had bid.

            For example, the Yankees could have previously bid $X. The agent then talks to other teams, including the Cubs. Following those talks, the agent goes back to the Yankees and says: “You’ll have to do better.” The Yankees then up their offer to $155 million and close the deal.

            • mjhurdle

              how is that any different from any other negotiation?
              From my understanding, a blind bid was a one time thing, highest bidder wins.
              If you keep going in between all parties and give them chances to raise their bids, then what is the difference between saying “The Cubs bid 100 million, you need to raise your offer by 20 million.” and saying “The Cubs bid something that im not telling you, but you need to raise your offer by a good amount”?

              or maybe i just have a poor understanding of a Blind Bid

    • DocPeterWimsey

      That’s not really Occam’s Razor, as it’s no simpler than other explanations such as they simply believed Close when he said that he had an offer not much less than the Yanks final offer.

      One thing that we also have to remember is that the Yanks might well have been acting slightly irrationally just as the Rangers did 2 years ago. Missing the playoffs is a big deal for them: and fundamentally, they have to know that they have an uphill battle to reach the playoffs next year. (ZIPS projections pre-Tanaka had their most probable outcome as last place with an 80-82 record: and that was based on optimistic projections on Jeter and other big question marks.) Given that they already were willing to go over the tax-line, the Yanks probably decided to use a hand grenade where a fire cracker would have sufficed.

  • Blackhawks1963

    Holy shit. I stepped into a group therapy session with my commen!!

    Some of you are full of yourselves, to include Michigan Goat. You skewered me for my opinion that the Cubs had zero chance of signing Tanaka. I was being realistic and stating an opinion and you label me as unduly negative and miserable? Who the hell are you to pass judgment on me or anybody who expresses and opinion on the Cubs that may not align with your 24/7 perspective of rainbows and lollipops?!?

    I’ve been very clear that I am 200% supportive of the Theo strategy. Yet within the context of that I am accurate and well within my friggin right to day the 2014 club is going to be ungodly bad.

    • mjhurdle

      if you are looking for hugs and cookies, they are over that way ——–>

    • Greenroom

      Hold on to that attitude, I am sure it will get you far.

      What people were giving you grief over was “Also, while I am unabashed supporter of the Theo building strategy I do take objection for how Brett has become a defacto mouthpiece and endorser of everything the Cubs do or do not do. Brett, you need to take a step back and regain your objective footing I’m afraid.”

      And “There was a time in my life when I was far more negative, but, like, why be that way?”

      Perhaps you should lighten up and find something you enjoy. peace~

      • Blackhawks1963

        Good fucking grief this is Luvable Loser syndrome run amuk!!! You want all Cub fans to be happy and live in perspective when the stark reality of matters is the 2014 Cubs are likely to suck? Name me on other baseball town in this continent who would embrace such nonsense and attack the naysayers and realists!!! Even those of us supportive of the long term strategy!!!!

        Sorry pal, but I’m not going to walk around with a shit eating grin on my face and exude bubbly persona about the 2014 Cubs. I care. And overall, I am a quite happy and successful and blessed human being.

        • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

          Sorry life is a sad place for you, seriously if you need to talk or a hug I’m easy to find. Nobody should be this upset.

        • mjhurdle

          ha! so unless you are wallowing in misery so deep that you find yourself unable to address your favorite sports team in any other form than whiny teenage angst, then you don’t care.
          thanks for sharing Blackhawks, hopefully getting this off your chest can help the healing start.

        • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

          TWC and I have something that will cheer you up.

          • mjhurdle

            what? like a group hug? or something of a more calming nature ;)

            • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

              Yes a nice puffy hug.

        • Spencer

          what’s amuk

    • roz

      You weren’t skewered for your opinion, you were skewered for incessantly posting the same exact thing on every post here and ranting about how the Cubs had zero chance to get Tanaka (which wasn’t true).

      • Blackhawks1963

        Bull. I didn’t align with the rainbows and lollipop crew who define the Luvable Loser crowd. That’s what you and others are bent out of shape on. But alas, if YOU can look at the probable 2014 roster and be tickled with excitement then more power to you.

        • mjhurdle

          no, pretty sure it was the incessant repeating of the same (wrong) idea while belittling anyone who didn’t agree with your view (you know, that same thing you are accusing everyone else of doing)

        • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

          Seriously man I have a Founders 2011 KBS if you need some happiness.

          • Greenroom

            Damn. The “Founders” make some damn good beers.

            • mjhurdle

              i think you and MG are going to be best friends with that attitude :)

              • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

                Well he obviously knows greatness

    • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

      Ah so ***stomp feet*** “nobody respects me, I’m super serial” mode… Got it.

      Yes Blackhawks you picked the favorite said it 30 times a day and now you are coming here because you dont get no luv? Need a hug? Need a trophy? Was this a competition to you? Do you feel better? Nope because you are back crying. Sooooo I don’t give a fark what you need to validate yourself, it just shows the pathetic I talked about above.

      So because you need a hubris boost here you go- YOU WERE RIGHT I BOW DOWN TO YOU OH GREAT ONE! PLEASE GIVE ME MORE GREAT INSIGHT! Maybe the Cubs will be bad in 2014? Is that the now “book it” recommendation? I’m really am sorry that baseball causes you to be sad…

      Sorry if life is tough maybe your dealing with some shit and using baseball as a way to work through the anger, but I suggest you focus on what gives you joy. Cheer kiddo if you need a hug let me know, I’m going to live life you should try it.

      For FLIPPITY Flappity sake it’s farking baseball children, who cares who wins or loses IT. IS. A. GAME. And the interwebz comment boards are a even less important.

      Hug your kids, drink good beer, and love life… it doesn’t last long.

      • Blackhawks1963

        Exhibit A for the Luvable Loser stigma that plagues this franchise. Pal, I am a wonderfully blessed, grateful, successful and happy person in life. Sorry if tgey doesn’t align with your doctrine that all Cub fans should have orgasmic feeling for the Cubs even in times of baseball awfulness.

        Good grief what a twit.

        • mjhurdle

          you definitely come across like a mature, stable, blessed, grateful, and happy person in all your name-calling posts….

          seriously, go find someone willing to hug you and let go of some of your frustration.

        • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

          Can you at least move the bickering and insults to the Message Boards? The front page can get pretty tiresome when it fills up with slight variations on:

          “I’m a real fan! You’re a terrible person!”
          “No, I’m a real fan, you’re a terrible person!”
          “No, I’m a real fan, you’re a terrible person!”
          “No, I’m a real fan, you’re a terrible person!”
          “Intelligent question”
          “Thoughtful reply”
          “Thoughtful reply”
          “Look at all the fanboys worshiping the front office and refusing say anything bad! I’m a real fan!”
          “No, I’m a real fan, you’re a terrible person!”
          etc.
          etc.
          etc.

          • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

            Good point, have a good night kiddos.

        • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

          You know you are not happy, it’s okay not to be happy. A happy person doesn’t come on here and demand attention and vindication. And as always you missed the point. No I do not like that the Cubs are losers, but I’m not letting a child’s game of sticks and balls impact how I act in the world- it’s pathetic that you do. There is a big difference and you know it.

          • Pat

            What possible reason do you have to think you are qualified to judge whether he is happy or not?

            • mjhurdle

              fortunately for us, happiness is not something that people need a degree to diagnose.
              Pretty much anyone can judge happiness. Just like anything else, they could be right, they could be wrong, but they are as qualified as the next person.

  • http://bleachernation.com woody

    I predict that the Marlins will be the worst team this year followed by the Cubs. I think the Astros may actually lose that dubious distinction for a change.

    • brainiac

      the cubs will likely be the worst team in baseball for the next two years, rivaled only by teams already as bad as the cubs but with more injuries. it’s by design, with intent. i’ve been morbidly obsessed with the “plan” trainwreck for a while. i’ll continue to be for a while…eventually they’ll just start signing players at random to fix things like every other team.

      then things will get boring, until there’s actually a good team.

      • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

        I’d be quite surprised if the Cubs are the worst team in baseball in either of the next two seasons.

        • brainiac

          we might not have the worst record, but we just might. if we don’t we’ll still have one of the worst 4…

          • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

            Perhaps in ’14. Very doubtful in ’15.

        • mjhurdle

          stop ruining the narrative.
          If the Cubs aren’t the worst team in baseball the next two years, then the ‘plan’ isn’t a trainwreck.
          if the plan isn’t a trainwreck, then the Cubs are at least doing some things right and improving the team.
          If the Cubs are doing some things right, then we can’t spend every post complaining about the front office.

          and what are we supposed to do if we can’t just whine about the front office?!?!

          • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

            I’d recommend baking cookies.

        • Diehardthefirst

          If the relief pitching is above avg and Renteria is a positive influence this team could end up near .500

          • Mike F

            That seals it for me Nostradamus. 105 plus losses here we come.

            For the record I think the pitching is slightly, only slightly better on paper. The everyday line-up is the worst in baseball. Ricky could be Earll Weaver and still lose 95 games.

            • Diehardthefirst

              I didn’t say how near 😁😁😁

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