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If you weren’t able to stay up and catch last night’s Spring Training game, you’re in luck: the game was televised, and the three primary highlights you’d like to see are right here.

And, yup, all three are homers from Cubs prospects.

First, there was a deep bomb to center by MIKE OLT! (the video of which is currently not available to embed, but you can watch it here).

Then, there was a deep bomb to left by Javy Baez:

Then, there was another deep bomb to left by Mike Olt:

What I love even more than the homers? They were all deeeeeeep shots.

And a bonus video, because why not? Mike Olt ripping a single to left and scoring Albert Almora:

  • ssckelley

    Those home runs are fun to watch over and over.

  • Canadian Cubs Fan

    Wow! Great to wake up to these highlights this morning! All three were massive bombs. Hopefully a game like this will help Olt’s confidence and this is just the beginning.

    • CubChymyst

      Completely agree. Check bleacher nation early in the morning to see what happened last night, and get surprised by 3 home runs by young players. The Cubs might not be playoff bounded this season but they look like they will be fun to watch as prospects start to take over spots in the line up.

    • DocPeterWimsey

      Olt’s confidence isn’t an issue; his visual acuity is. Now, the ghost of Randy Wolf is not exactly MLB calibre pitching, but it does appear that Olt is picking up the ball well out of the pitcher’s hand.

      A healthy Olt is going to be the sort of guy that some fans call “inconsistent” because he will always have high K frequencies; however, he should walk his OBP up to an acceptable number and slug more than enough to make him a net gain over the other teams’ 3Bmen.

      • half_full_beer_mug

        I was actually as impressed with the single (off a right handed pitcher) as I was with the two home runs (both lefties) for that very reason. It appeared that in all three AB’s I saw he was picking up the ball well.

        Not so much for Kris Bryant’s AB in the 8th. He either got caught guessing and looked really bad or wasn’t picking the ball up at all.

      • ssckelley

        Outside of the 2 home runs he gave up that “ghost” did not look all that bad and I argue one of those blasts was not a bad pitch. The one Baez hit looked like it was up and on the outside corner of the plate, I still can’t believe he pulled it.

        Not sure why some here feel it is necessary to discount what they do, good hitters are supposed to hit bad pitching. I get it is only spring training, I get some of these pitchers they are facing will not make opening day rosters, but they are still facing professional pitching from players that must be good enough to get considered for opening day rosters. Last year Olt was struggling to hit these “ghost” pitchers in AAA, it is nice to see him having success this spring.

        • itzscott

          ssckelley –

          Couldn’t agree more.

          Love the armchair experts who poo-poo players when good stuff like this happens unless it’s against a HOF pitcher!

          • cms0101

            I don’t know if he was “poo-pooing” Olt as much as stating facts about what kind of player he is. That was a great game by Olt, and I hope it springboards him to the 25-man roster and starting at 3rd. But everything Doc said was accurate.

            • auggie

              Yeah I hope Olt can continue his success in ST and the Cubs have no choice but to make him their starting 3rd baseman.

            • DocPeterWimsey

              That is/was more or less my point. (That, and. I had forgotten that Wolf was still in baseball!) That and the danger of using arm-chair psychology to explain/project performance for someone like Olt: confidence doesn’t affect batting skills, but rather what we perceive as confidence is an outcome of batting performance. Visual acuity, on the other hand, has a huge effect on how well a guy hits.

              Mickey Mantle provided once of the best examples of the psychology cart being put in front of the performance horse. Mantle suffered from bad allergies at a time where people were convinced that allergies were psychosomatic. So, if a guy lost his confidence, then he would both be more susceptible to allergies and slumps, right? And when Mickey was down in a slump, his allergies always were bad…. Of course, anyone who has suffered through bad allergy attacks knows that the wreak havoc on your vision and concentration. The meds that they used 50 years ago for allergies also were relaxants that would have countered the amphetamines in the “leaded” clubhouse coffee, too. It probably was the allergies that caused the slumps and Mantle’s misery, not the other way around!

              • MattM

                Doc your “arm-chair” use of numbers to only support your point of view is the problem! You use something that happened in the 50s as your basis in fact that psychology has nothing to do with performance! You can mess with your numbers all you want, but you cannot screw with them enough to somehow justify what a HUMAN is thinking at a particular point in time.

                Keep in mind that he is a HUMAN and not just a set of numbers like you no doubt only see players. Numbers cannot answer every problem. If they could half of the saber fantasy leagues would have graduated World Series GMs.

                Please explain how you can screw with numbers enough to tell what a person is thinking? How about if they are confident enough in their abilities? I guess that doesn’t compute into a spreadsheet.

                Play golf some time down the road and tell me if psychology doesn’t play it’s part in how a person performs.

                How about when a golfer sees a pond to their right and they think about NOT hitting it into the pond only to hit into the pond. It’s because positively or negatively they were THINKING about the pond!

                What set of numbers can answer that?

                • Head and Heart

                  Confidence can rise and fall. Slumps and hot streaks happen. That’s why people who understand statistical analysis avoid small sample sizes. The whole point of a large sample size being analyzed is that it factors out those ups and downs to provide an overall view of a players ability.

                  • Edwin

                    That, and it’s hard to know for sure whether a “hot streak” or “cold streak” is due to actual confidence rising/falling, or just due to normal random sequencing.

                    • MattM

                      So…what you are saying is that NOTHING anyone does is as a result of any frame of mind, but just random sequencing for everything?

                    • Edwin

                      No. What I’m saying is that in a small sample size, it’s hard to tell the difference.

                    • DocPeterWimsey

                      That’s a false dichotomy: there are many other options here. IF a hot/cold streak really does deviate significantly from *probabilistic expectations*, then it is is both more likely and more apt to reflect an alteration of tools. Usually it’s negative: injuries (and matter does trump the mind) will be the main culprit. True “hot-streaks” are rare, but usually accompanied by things like high BABiP or high HR:FB frequencies.

                      Oh, and btw: I’m not an armchair statistician, but a real one. Baseball is “soft-toss” for me.

                • Edwin

                  How do you know the golfer hit it into the pond due to thinking about the pond, and not due to either being a bad golfer, or just to the statistical probability that sometimes even good golfers make bad shots?

                  • MattM

                    How do you know that that statistical probability you mention for good golfers doesn’t have to do with them thinking about hitting it into the pond?

                    Head and Heart
                    Confidence can rise and fall until it just doesn’t rise anymore at all. For Doc (or anyone for that matter) to suggest that psycology doesn’t play a part in the human condition (including work) is just being ignorant of the facts.

                    • Head and Heart

                      I don’t think anyone would suggest frame of mind or confidence or whatever you want to call it doesn’t impact performance from time to time. But really a good player will be more confident because he is good and therefore sees more positive results. And the point is that stats in a large sample factor out the rise and fall of confidence and show the true level of a players performance.

                    • Edwin

                      I don’t. That’s why I would try to combine a large sameple size, and compare how often the golfer misses shots with water nearby to how often they miss shots without water nearby. I’d probably also compare that to a large group of golfers, to test to see if Golfer A is an exception, or if it’s just something that all golfers struggle with.

                    • DocPeterWimsey

                      Again, “confidence” is the cart and performance is the horse. When things are going well, a player feels confident. When things go poorly, a player does not. LIke so many other human activities, people go beyond conflating correlation with causation: they make the dependent variable the causal one!

                      This stuff is all a great phlogiston analog that obfuscates the real issue: tools. There is a real danger that Olt had lost a basic tool to injury. We are seeing some evidence that the loss was not permanent. If Olt can see the ball well, then he will whiff a lot, slug a lot and walk a lot. If Olt cannot see the ball well, then he will whiff a lot.

                    • MattM

                      I love it! You get challenged then just move to big words……

                      Please tell me what numbers you have crunched that tell you that psychology plays absolutely no part in performance. I really want to see that.

                      Your example of a 1950s era baseball player doesn’t play here either.

                      Or how about the tools department. Albert Pujols has just about the best hit tool in baseball. He then signs a massive contract and tanks. So you are saying that there HAS to be some reason (injury maybe) other than the fact that he felt additional pressure to live up to his contract for his crappy season.

                      How about Hamilton?

                      Before you say you calculated a regression I guarantee that your calculated regression still had Pujols somewhere around .280 with 35hrs. No one had him tanking last year. No one had Hamilton tanking last year either.

                      If both Pujols and Hamilton come back and have decent seasons what does that say?

                      Long story short you have absolutely no basis in reality if you are saying that psychology doesn’t play a part in performance. You also have no statistical data proving that psychology in sports performance doesn’t exist. To say that is arrogant and plane wrong. That is what you were saying too…

                    • MattM

                      “Again, “confidence” is the cart and performance is the horse. ”

                      So now who is playing armchair psychologist?

                    • http://www.friendly-confines.com hansman

                      ““Again, “confidence” is the cart and performance is the horse. ”

                      So now who is playing armchair psychologist?”

                      Do you have numerous examples of a guy saying he is feeling really confident and then rattling off a hot streak, then saying he is no longer confident and the hot streak ends?

                      “Or how about the tools department. Albert Pujols has just about the best hit tool in baseball. He then signs a massive contract and tanks. So you are saying that there HAS to be some reason (injury maybe) other than the fact that he felt additional pressure to live up to his contract for his crappy season. ”

                      He put up 5 WAR in his first contract year and then was injured last year. Oh…and he is getting old.

                    • MattM

                      Good comeback. You ask my question in reverse back to me after I ask you guys the question first. Hilarious!

                      Again, show me the statistical data that you have that psychology does not exist in sports performance. That means obviously that when someone does good or bad had NOTHING to do with psychology.

                      You guys answer my question first since I asked it first and then I’ll answer yours. It’s only polite. Or you can just keep asking questions to my questions as your answer….

                    • MattM

                      Hansman, what about Hamilton? You didn’t answer that one…

                    • ssckelley

                      MattM, you are going up against stat geeks here and there is no stat that can measure confidence. I have always believed that confidence or a good feeling can help an athlete in any sport. People that have played baseball have said that when they are on a hot streak the baseball looks like a beach ball when they are hitting.

                      IMO this argument is just going in circles. Neither side can prove anything.

                    • Kyle

                      “MattM, you are going up against stat geeks here and there is no stat that can measure confidence.”

                      There’s also no observation that can measure confidence.

                    • MattM

                      SSKelley exactly! I have no problem with what they are saying about Olt, but to have a guy who is admittedly a numbers geek try to come out and assert that psychology has nothing to do with anything is absurd! Honestly that is what he is saying!

                      If psychology does not exist in sports (as both hansman and doc are trying to say) then psychology doesn’t exist period!

                      To answer the causation argument that Doc is trying to make…. If you are trying to make that argument in sports then you are basically making it everywhere. If a mindset is ONLY a causation then what about people who are bi-polar or depressive? If you are suggesting that a mindset is ONLY based on prior experiences how can you explain those to disorders?

                    • MattM

                      Kyle, actually there is an observation. Go back and watch Starlin Castro at the plate last year.

                      He was “in between” pitches a lot! Meaning he wasn’t CONFIDENT about whether he was going to see a fastball or curveball. He often made weak swings that showed he wasn’t confident he knew which pitch was coming.

                      That is an observation.

                    • ssckelley

                      “There’s also no observation that can measure confidence.”

                      Thanks for hammering my point home. There is no study, no statistic, no scientific evidence that proves psychology exists in sports. Yet I have heard former players say it does exist and I believe it exists based on my own experiences. But I cannot prove anything so it is a worthless argument.

                    • ClevelandCubsFan

                      It’s not that psychology has no bearing on sports. It’s that whatever effects mental disposition has on sports performance, it’s statistically indistinguishable from random chance. Also, guys who battle great adversity to reach the majors are not likely guys whose performances are greatly swayed by routine changes in disposition. Major life events might have significant effect, but then the results of those effects are impossible to predict. (One guy’s mom dies and he hits 3 homeruns; another guy goes 0-5.)

                    • Kyle

                      “Kyle, actually there is an observation. Go back and watch Starlin Castro at the plate last year.

                      He was “in between” pitches a lot! Meaning he wasn’t CONFIDENT about whether he was going to see a fastball or curveball. He often made weak swings that showed he wasn’t confident he knew which pitch was coming.

                      That is an observation.”

                      You didn’t observe confidence. You observed being in-between swings. And being in-between swings can be measured statistically.

                      “Thanks for hammering my point home. There is no study, no statistic, no scientific evidence that proves psychology exists in sports.”

                      That’s just not true. There are innumberable studies, using observation and statistics, that show that sports have psychological components. But they don’t get accomplished by just looking at players and deciding what they must be feeling.

                    • MattM

                      I want to thank everyone for agreeing with what I was trying to say.

                      My point the whole time was that Doc could not be CONFIDENT in his assertion that psychology plays no part because Doc does not have any FACTS to back that assertion up.

                    • Kyle

                      Analogy

                      Random fan: I think this player is feeling unconfident and it caused his performance.
                      Other fan: You can’t possibly demonstrate that, you are just making it up.
                      Random fan: Why do stat geeks think psychology doesn’t exist?!??!!?!

                      To

                      Random fan: I think this player hit 15 home runs. I just feel like it.
                      Other fan: He hit 20 home runs. You can’t just look at him and guess the number, it’s a number and it exists.
                      Random fan: Stupid pscyhology geeks! Why don’t you think numbers exist?

                    • MattM

                      Again, prove that his weak swing was not as a result of his lack of confidence with what pitch was coming.

                      You can have a statistical angle on being between pitches but you are just measuring causation as Doc says. The fact that you say you have a statistic to measure his amount of weak swing proves only the number of weak swings he gets.

                      If you are not confident in what pitch is coming then you would make a weak swing.

                      The only issue we have here is if you are defining what confidence is differently than what I do. Definition of confidence: the feeling or belief that one can rely on someone or something; firm trust.

                      So, he did not believe that he could rely on the fact that he knew which pitch was coming. You can tell that by the type of swing he made. Also, he said on multiple occasions that he was not confident he knew what pitch was coming….

                    • Kyle

                      “Again, prove that his weak swing was not as a result of his lack of confidence with what pitch was coming.”

                      That’s the argument from ignorance. The fact that I cannot prove the negation is not proof of the assertion.

                    • MattM

                      HAHA! You guys crack me up!

                      The reason I posted was because (as numbers geeks do) Doc made the claim that Olts success or lack of had only to do with issues not dealing with his mind or thoughts. My point is was how can someone possibly say that.

                      The only two ways someone could say without a doubt that psychology or the mind has nothing to do with sports (or anything for that matter) would be if we were robots or brain dead.

                    • DocPeterWimsey

                      Psychology pertains to cognitive acts. That is, the what /why/how you think or believe (two fundamentally different types of cognition).

                      Hitting is a non-cognitive act. It is trained reflex: a batter triggers “swing/don’t swing” in a fraction of a second. Humans simply do not think that quickly. As such, nothing psychologists do really pertains to activity like this. (NOTE: this is *NOT* true of pitching; but pitching has absolutely nothing in common with hitting: the former is active and cognitive, the latter is re-active and reflexive.)

                      As for confidence, it is well documented in humans *and other animals* that success breeds what we call confidence: the assumption that an attempt will be a success. For many things, it has been shown that confidence actually does not increase the probability of success: but it greatly increases the probability of *attempt.* (It also increases the probability that one will be allowed further attempts.) Indeed, the one place where it really helps is when the *appearance of confidence* affects a decision (selling yourself to potential employers, young ladies/men, investors, etc.). In other words, it’s not your cognition: it’s theirs.

                      So, the premise that has been verified is “if successful, then confident.” The premise that you insist on using “if confident, then successful” has support only for very different sorts of processes and really is inapplicable to non-cognitive ones.

                    • Rebuilding

                      As much as it pains me to agree with MattM (I thought you had been shamed out of here), I think he is right – with a distinction. I don’t think sports revolves around “confidence”, rather I think it revolves psychologically around “doubt” (I put those in quotes because I mean them in the sports sense).

                      Guys who doubt themselves aren’t going to react in a natural way. 2 examples: (1) a basketball player coming off of a knee surgery – he’s thinking instead of reacting and (2) Starlin Castro last year – he was thinking about strikes and balls instead of just swinging at what looked good.

                      You can call it confidence or doubt, but it’s really whether or not you are reacting to your instincts.

                      If Olt had eye trouble then maybe he had DOUBT in his judgement and was thinking rather reacting

                    • Rebuilding

                      Long story short – the worst thing you can be in sports is tentative because your natural instincts are impeded. If you are thinking rather than reacting you look like Castro did last year or Rose did after his knee surgery. Maybe…just maybe…Olt didn’t trust his eyes last year and he was thinking and not reacting

                    • MattM

                      Damn it Rebuilding….of all the damn people I want agreeing with me……

                      Anyway Doc….Come on…..Are you a psychologist? Obviously not. You took a definition and said boom here I’m right…..

                      In this not so much…. Ask any sports psychologist and you will get your answer….It’s absolutely about the negative thoughts. Once those creep in to your head you are in trouble.

                      Ask Steve Sax if it doesn’t matter. Yes hitting is PARTLY reflexive, but not totally. Just ask Castro. If it was completely reflexive I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t have had the bad season he did.

                      Any hitter will tell you that when they swung too late on a fastball they were thinking curve in the back of their mind. Hitting is not 100 percent no thought.

                      What you describe Doc without even knowing it is when someone experiences the state of flow. It’s a very interesting concept coined by psychologist Mihály Csíkszentmihályi. When someone completely becomes immersed in something so much that their whole being is involved and they use their skills to t he utmost with no ego being involved. You can’t get into flow if you have negative thoughts….

                    • Rebuilding

                      Oh good…now I can disagree with MattM. I think you’re on the right track, but your premise is wrong. It is all about “not thinking”. The year Castro had is because he was up there thinking instead of doing what comes naturally. He actually was trying to do what they told him, but it caused indecision. You can call it confidence, doubt, in his head, etc…but the most important thing is letting the athlete “not think” and let his instincts play. Castro can be a 300 hitter again if they just let him play the game like he did the first 22 years of his life

                    • DocPeterWimsey

                      Rebuilding: Unless Olt’s vision problems were completely psychosomatic, your explanation for Olt’s troubles last year is physiological rather than psychological. Batters rely on very exact and precise 3D perception: where the ball is 10′ from the pitcher’s hand and how the ball is spinning triggers swing/don’t swing. Ideally, a guy is swing at a batting tee that he instantly (and unconsciously) projects from that observation. The more inaccurate the projection, the worse the swing (and outcome) will be: and blurry eyesight is going to make inaccurate projections hard to avoid.

                      As such, “tentative” doesn’t really apply, as that is another cognitive concept. Olt simply did not (hopefully not “does not”!) have the “eye” part of hand-eye (or bat-eye) coordination necessary to do this very difficult task. Possibly he needed 20′ to recognize swing/don’t swing: and that’s going to lead to rushed shortened swings. Or possibly he just had a much more general idea of where the ball was going and took inaccurate swings more often than before. I would be surprised if Olt himself could articulate exactly what was different: most ball players don’t understand how to do what they do, they just do it. At any rate, his personal psychology was not going to correct a physiological problem.

                      At any rate, if failure erodes confidence (which is true for most people) and if vision (or other physiological) problems increase the frequency of failure (which will be true for something like batting), then it follows that eye problems -> eroded confidence.

                    • Rebuilding

                      Sorry, Doc. That’s just silly. If you don’t think physiological problems can become psychological problems you need to get out of the lab

                    • Rebuilding

                      Have you ever seen a free throw shooter get the “tips”? Have you ever seen someone after knee surgery pull back at a critical moment? To say psychology is not part of sports is ridiculous and not based on observation

                    • Sandberg

                      What about Rick Ankiel?

                      I am shocked that anyone would try to refute that mental issues can affect physical performance. I feel that I am missing some part of the argument here.

                    • MattM

                      Dude trust me you haven’t missed anything!

                      I brought up Sax for Christ’s sake! He couldn’t throw it 15 feet!

                    • MattM

                      Rebuilding we are on the same page btw. The difference is in the fact that you think people can have NO thoughts. That’s not the case.

                      The Japanese call it Zanshin “no mind.” You don’t technically NOT THINK, you block out your thoughts.

                      In this case you block out any negative thought (even though they are still there). What psychology calls “flow” and sports calls the “zone” is Zanshin. You’ve just blocked out any unwanted thoughts….

                    • Bill

                      My brother played baseball for Univ of Iowa during the early 80’s and during his sophomore year he got Steve Sax syndrome. He had played SS all his life and always threw over the top and the throw from 2B was more 3/4. He said it was really messing with his psyche, and the answer to his problem was found in a former Cub, Manny Trillo. He started mimicking Trillo’s sidearm flick to first and he never made another throwing error while in college.

                    • ssckelley

                      This is the dumbest argument I have ever seen the self acclaimed smart guys on here try to make. For the first time they are in a position where stats or sites like fangraphs cannot bail them out. All they got is big words.

                    • baldtaxguy

                      Pretty awesome that the OP has a simple post and then this.

                      Olt hit two homers – cool for him….and his confidence.

                  • bbmoney

                    That is an observation, no doubt, I’ll give you that.

                    our theory about what your observation means is by no means binding on the rest of us and what we think and doesn’t prove anything about measuring confidence.

                    • MattM

                      So Castro was confident that he knew what pitch was coming and therefore took an unconfident swing?

                • http://www.friendly-confines.com hansman

                  What about a golfer that thinks “HIT IT IN THE POND!” and then misses? Or when he hits it in the pond?

                  Usually, the results dictate how the golfer feels about his pre-swing. There have been times in softball that I was confident I was going to get a hit only to pop out to 2B or ground out to the pitcher. There have been times where I was not confident and I scorched a liner down the line.

                  Regardless of how/what I was actually thinking before the swing:
                  When I make an out, I was thinking too much about it.
                  When I get a hit, I was loose and free.

              • Diehardthefirst

                Future Mantle in White Sox De Aza? Schierholtz for him fair to both sides

        • Napercal

          Absolutely correct. People on this site tend to look for reasons to diminish the accomplishments of real prospects and then inflate the value of career AAAA guys like Darnell McDonald, Justin Ruggiero and half of the potential pitching staff.

  • ssckelley

    The Cubs have 13 bombs so far this spring, only 5 of them hit by players expected to make the opening day roster. Schierholtz, Barney, Kottaras, and Ruggiano (2).

  • Steve

    1) Olt looked solid at the plate
    2) Baez needs anger management classes (why the hatred of a baseball?)
    3) The Mariners announcers did their best to ignore what was an awesome prospect display.

    • Spoda17

      I totally agree with #3… the Mariners announcers barley even mentioned a homerun was even hit…

      • Steve

        Spoda, whats wrong with #1 and #2…?

        :)

    • BlueCatuli

      In reference to point 3, I noticed the same thing and was getting really annoyed with them until about the middle of the third inning when they mentioned that was their first TV Broadcast of the spring. That was their first opportunity to talk about what’s new with Seattle. Seemed like Robinson Cano was the only guy on the field for a while, didn’t it?

    • ssckelley

      I was having issues with the Mariners broadcast last night but most of my issues was the camera work, they made every fly ball look like a towering home run and I never did see Almora cross the plate. The constant Mariner commercials were annoying along with the player interviews. But overall I was just thankful to be able to watch the game on TV, even if it was the opposing teams broadcast. If it were the Cubs broadcasters doing the game they would have been pimping the Cubs players as well.

      But the damn horn!!! Someone take that horn and smash the hell out of it!

      • http://www.survivingthalia.com Mike Taylor

        Maybe it’s their Spring Training, too!

    • Patrick G

      Agree with #3. I saw Baez and Olt both go yard and nothing was said. as I was falling asleep I was suddenly awoken by a yelling announcer for a mariners home run. Atleast he awoke me to stay up for olts 2nd homer :)

  • Chef Brian

    Olt’s shots were to notch, but Javy’s bomb got out in a hurry. Man, he unloads on the ball.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      The left fielder barely moved on those two shots to left. Love that.

      • DocPeterWimsey

        Clearly it showed a lack of heart and hustle by the M’s LFer: scrappy karma might have pulled the balls back to the field!

        Or this were just effin’ shots.

    • D-Rock

      Just gonna say that- when Javy swings you can tell instantly if it’s gonna be a home run or not. No doubt about it. Is it June yet?

      • ClevelandCubsFan

        By which you mean, if the bat touches the ball, it’s a homerun. Missed swings are just Javy benevolently cooling off a tired ball on a hot day.

  • Ivy Walls

    Sensationalists will wait and want to see Baez bat on one of those hot SW or Southerly windy days where he puts one on one of those roof tops.

    Before the Z’s took over I was listening to Kasper on the radio broadcast and watching the telecast though the timing was off. Nice to see.

    • ssckelley

      I should have done this, was the radio broadcast behind the television or vice versa? With the DVR it would have been easy to sync up if the radio was behind.

  • DarthHater

    So, when Bryant, Baez, and Olt are all in the lineup, we should get at least 300 HRs just from them, right?

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      Well, I just threw away the 200 page instruction manual for my TI-85 graphing calculator from high school (that’s actually true), but I think I can estimate that you’re in the ballpark without the help of technology. Maybe 250 to be conservative?

      • Cubs-Win

        Isn’t it at least 120 from Bryant alone?

      • Darth Ivy

        250? Haters gonna hate.

      • Cizzle

        Did you download any games for the TI-85? Drug Wars was the best way to get through Calc class!

        • mjhurdle

          ahhh, that was a great game.

        • http://www.survivingthalia.com Mike Taylor

          I played break out on mine.

    • BlueCatuli

      Only 300?

  • The Ghost of Brett Jackson

    Olt doing what the FO wants, forcing the issue to come north.

  • Billy

    I can honestly say I can’t remember seeing someone swing as hard as Baez does. It does seem like he has a hatred of the baseball and wants to murderlize it every at bat

    • Darth Ivy

      or he hates the sky and tries to hit it with baseballs

    • D-Rock

      Maybe Pujols in his prime? Or Sheffield?

      • terencemann

        Sheffield comps seem completely appropriate to me at this point. Completely violent. He really hates baseballs. Sheffield had some real finesse at times, though. He could read the ball really well out of the pitcher’s hand and didn’t hesitate to go the other way on off-speed junk. I have only heard a couple interviews with Sheffield about hitting but I could listen to him talk about it all day.

    • Napercal

      He moves the lower half of his body like Frank Thomas.

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  • WernerT

    The Baez homer was cartoonish. It was almost like a physics trick. It was obliterated and nobody moved — outfielders, Baez. Wild.

    Yeah, outside of the Mariners announcers, it was a great game to watch. You could sort of see a real team in there amongst the Valinkas and Bakers and such. I wish Lake looked better but Olt was on last night and maybe please it’s the game where he takes the keys to the job they really want him to take.

  • Xruben31

    Almora has wheels.

  • waittilthisyear

    olt’s is eerily reminiscent of someone’s, i just cannot think who. someone help me out here, unless i get it first and earn commendations from everyone

    • Jon

      Kevin Orie

      • gocatsgo2003

        How incredibly original of you!

      • jeff1969

        If that is a serious comparison, back it up now. Lay out your argument that Olt is reminiscent of Kevin Orie. Let’s hear it.

        • D-Rock

          This ought to be good…

        • Jon

          Why is Kevin Orie such a horrible thing to say? He was a big time prospect one upon a time, just like Olt.

          • jeff1969

            So that’s it? They were both big time prospects & played 3B?

            • Jon

              Kinda built the same too. That’s the first name that popped in my head.

              • waittilthisyear

                actually, his swing did not look the same to me on each HRs after viewing both. the one available to view on this page, with the low follow thru, almost reminds me of glenallen hill, but im sure there is a better comp

      • D-Rock

        Orie almost had the same power as Olt…

        • jeff1969

          D-Rock, what is that based on? Orie never demonstrated either in the minors or majors the kind of power Olt has. Orie was big, 6’4 and I think like 215 lbs, but he was a line drive hitter, didn’t strike out very much, walked more than Olt has so far. The only power numbers Orie put up were in AAA after he was 30 years old when he had a couple of bigger homer years, more than 20 a season, but as a prospect & at the beginning of his career, I don’t think he topped 12 in a full season.

          • D-Rock

            sarcasm ;)

      • mjhurdle

        Orie had 39 HRs in his minor league career
        Baez had 37 HRs last year.

        comparison finished.

        • jeff1969

          Yeah!

        • mjhurdle

          For clarification, I missed Orie’s later years in the minors. I was just counting the first 4-5 year where he played in the minors with the Cubs and the Marlins, not his age 28+ years where he dominated AAA

          • Jon

            You probably should also juxtapose Olt’s power #’s vs Orie’s, since Javier Baez has nothing to do with this convo.

            • mjhurdle

              Olt: 67 HRs in his first 4 years in the minors
              Orie 39

              Olt: 205 walks
              Orie: 132

              Olt highest SLG: .579
              Ori highest SLG: .462

              Comparison finished

              • D-Rock

                Well done, MJ.

              • cubsfan08

                You forgot one more very important category:

                Errors made during possibly the greatest game ever pitched:

                Olt: 0*
                Orie: 1 (despite not being ruled as such…)

                * admit there is a chance Olt made an error that day as a 9 year old, however, school was still in session so odds are against it.

                • Jon

                  That scoring was bullshit! It was a tough play. Should have been an error not a base hit.

                  • Jon

                    Even though a tough play, still should have been an error, is what I meant to say.

                  • JB88

                    Yep, agree. I was sitting in the left field bleachers and, while I remember Orie had to move to his left to get to the ball, my further memory is that the ball went right between his legs.

                    Anecdotally, before that game, I remember a couple guys were betting how many strike outs Wood would have. I had been watching Wood in the pen while he warmed up and he was bouncing pitch after pitch to his catcher and looked crazy wild. I told my buddy, I’d bet on one, maybe two, since Wood was going to be gone in the first. HA. Shows what I know/knew that day …

            • D-Rock

              Agreed. ;)

      • Kyle

        I can kind of see it if I squint. Orie had a better hit tool and average-ish plate discipline, Olt has better power and great plate discipline. Otherwise, the skill sets and old-for-league career paths are somewhat similar.

  • Steve

    “Jon, say Kevin Orie again, say Kevin Orie one more &*^ time, I dare you, I double dog dare you”

    Jules Winfield

  • cubbiehawkeye

    The Baez homer leaves you speechless…just….wow. I can’t stop watching it.

    • JB88

      The most remarkable thing is that it seems like he hitches on the pitch and still has enough time to get around and buggywhip that ball 450 feet.

  • Steve

    Mariners announcers ….”Mumble, mumble, hanging breaking ball, mumble mumble.”

    Can we get a radar gun on that actual bat speed??

    He’s going to hit the ball 500 feet one day….maybe more.

  • CubsFaninMS

    DocWimsey’s point above is something we should all keep in mind. Olt, at his best, will probably be a high strikeout hitter (150-200 k’s per year) with the capability of having an acceptable OBP, 20-35 HRs, 90 to 120 RBIs, and 2.0 to 7.0 WAR (7 due to very good defense and a possible “career year”). He striking out will likely be part of his game now and at any point in the future. It’s very promising to see the night he had last night, though. Randy Wolf is far from being a Greinke or Scherzer, but he’s a legitimate MLB starter. Remember that Olt was performing poorly against AAA pitching last year. It’s looking increasingly likely that his eye issues are behind him, but that still remains to be seen. Those who are toning down Olt’s success last night should keep that in mind, but those expecting more than he’s capable of should remain cautious.

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