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It all started with a tweet, as things do these days.

There wasn’t really much reason to doubt Dan Vogelbach, since he would know what’s happening with his friend as well as anyone. But, in the age of fast-moving info and fun-loving young folks, you couldn’t quite rule out a misunderstanding or some joking around.

Not so, says Patrick Mooney:

So, we’ll see where this goes.

Trevor Gretzky, 21, was a part of the Cubs’ spending binge in the draft in 2011, and he was always a lot more projection than production. He’s likely been squeezed out at the lower levels of the minors by the Cubs’ influx of positional talent, and this move could simply be about getting him to a place where he’ll have a clearer path to success. In parts of two years in the Cubs’ system, and ranging from Rookie Ball to Low-A, Gretzky hit .288/.335/.332.

I’ll update as more becomes available.

UPDATE: It’s a child-of-well-known-guy trade all around, apparently:

That is one of the craziest minor league trades you’ll see, and I have to wonder about the familial implications of the Angels sending out the son of their manager. Was this just both organizations doing each other a favor? I don’t want to be too cynical, but maybe the Angels didn’t want to just release the manager’s son from the organization, so they worked out a trade? And, in the process, the Cubs get to do Gretzky a solid by giving him a better shot?

In any case, Scioscia is a 25-year-old catcher/first baseman, who was also a 2011 draft pick (out of college, though). He hasn’t played above High-A, and his offensive numbers are, eh hem, not good. He didn’t play catcher last year, so I’m not even sure if this is a catching depth move. Perhaps, like his father, Scioscia is a future coaching candidate? No, the Cubs didn’t get much in return here, but Gretzky was not considered a great prospect at this point, and the Cubs are stacked on the positional side.

In the end, it’s a minor deal all around. Best of luck to Gretzky in his new organization, and we’ll see what the story is with Scioscia over the coming days/weeks/months.

  • Blackhawks1963

    So Trevor Gretzky is a marginal prospect type being traded closer to Mom and Dad back home in southern California. Good for him. I assume we got like return from the Angels.

  • ssckelley

    We getting Trout?

  • Kyle

    I’m a tiny bit sad just because Wayne Gretzky was my favorite athlete growing up.

    • http://www.teamfums.org MichiganGoat

      Well he was one of the “Pro Stars” who remembers that?

      http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ProStars

      • Kyle

        I very much remember that. I could sing most of the theme song without looking it up, I bet.

        • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

          “When you’re lost out there, and you’re all alone, the light is waiting to carry you home.

          Everywhere you look.”

          • http://www.teamfums.org MichiganGoat

            Sweet… ah childhood

          • blublud

            Wasn’t that the theme song to another show also. Family Matters or Full House, I believe.

          • tacrowe

            Whatever happened to predictability?

  • http://www.survivingthalia.com Mike Taylor

    7th Rd pick in 2011, I want to see a good return!

    • http://www.teamfums.org MichiganGoat

      Signed Trout jersey?

      • blublud

        Thats a bad deal unless they include the Jock Strap with it.

        • ssckelley

          Ohhhhh, to get DNA off of it so they can clone him?

          • C. Steadman

            We’d have to clone him as an international amateur prospect or else he’ll get taken number one overall in the draft…unless Cubs get that spot but thats too many moving pieces, I say clone him as Miguel Trucha and sign him as a 16 yr old out of the Dominican

            • blublud

              Then wait til next year. This yearn we dont have the international money to spend on a guy like that.

              • C. Steadman

                If we clone him, we could maybe alter his DNA so his favorite team will be the Cubs and he’ll take a discount. With the draft, it doesn’t matter who his favorite team is, because they’ll still take him in front of us.

            • ssckelley

              What has Theo’s wife been doing these days?

              • C. Steadman

                What?…

                • ssckelley

                  wut, she too old to have kids?

                  • C. Steadman

                    She can’t be the mom, it has to be a Dominican…we’d lose him in the draft at the #1 pick.

                    • ssckelley

                      What if he refused to sign?

                    • C. Steadman

                      He would have to keep refusing to sign until the Cubs got the #1 pick…It’d be easier if we signed him as an international amateur. Then we get him at age 16 too!

                    • ssckelley

                      Then fine, find Eloy’s mom and get her knocked up right away!

                    • C. Steadman

                      Now we’re talking!

  • candyland07

    I dont understand hockey. I know the basics – score . but Gretzky in his prime was easy to watch. He had talent and coming from a person that does not appreciate the sport as some of my hardcore Blackhawk friends…. he was awesome.

  • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

    Gretzky was still rather raw, but a lot of scouts like him. Good projectability, particularly in the power department, and someone I was watching as a potential breakout candidate this season. Best in system comp I can think of off hand would probably be Geiger.

    That said, he hasn’t really found a defensive home at third or in left (so far anyway), and may wind up on first out of necessity. The Cubs don’t have a ton of 1B prospects, but the ones they have are pretty good (not to mention Rizzo being fairly young himself), so dealing Gretzky would qualify as dealing from depth.

  • Jon

    Nude pics of his sister coming back this way

    • jp3

      Boom. We win that trade by a landslide

      • Edwin

        O Brave new World…

      • Coop

        I read that to say handslide

        • Randallm83

          ^ blammo

  • DocPeterWimsey

    When do we start blaming Jed and Theo for not preventing Vogelbach’s tweet?

    • Edwin

      Once the deal falls through.

  • Ballgame17

    Wayne Gretzky now would be even better. With Power Play’s being a focus in the game, he’d literally be unstoppable. Think Patrick Kane skills, meet Crosby vision of the overall game. Just stupid good he was. When I played hockey and opponents would be wearing #99, you’d no doubt be going after him for it….

  • Javier Bryant

    Probably just getting a lower level arm in return. Maybe a guy like Alfonso Alcantara

    • Jon

      If he’s a cross between Alfonso Soriano and Arismendy Alcantara, then that’s a helluva dea.

      • C. Steadman

        Hmm Alcantara’s defense, contact, speed…Sori’s power and sunflower seed eating skills?

        • C. Steadman

          I wonder who’s arm is better, Sori always had a good arm, dont know much about Alcantara’s

  • Funn Dave

    Brett,

    Any way you could paste the text from the tweets instead of embedding the tweets themselves? It would be helpful for those of us for whom Twitter is blocked at work.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      That’s a tough call, Dave. I don’t want to prevent anyone from seeing the stuff, but also don’t want to put both the embed and the text in the same post. I could opt for just the text (which is what I used to do), but I feel like including the tweet, itself, is more generous credit. It also looks nice (to me).

      I’ll have to think about that.

      • Funn Dave

        No biggie. Thanks for considering.

    • C. Steadman

      Good luck to my boy @TrevorGretzky with the angels. Not going to be the same without u my man, gonna miss you for sure.

      — Daniel Vogelbach (@Flowbro3) March 20, 2014

      • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

        Thanks, Chet.

      • Funn Dave

        Thank you sir.

        • C. Steadman

          No problem, got to help out a fellow BN’er. That’s weird though, Twitter is blocked at my work, but I can still see embedded tweets.(disclaimer:I’m not too knowledgeable about technology)

          • Funn Dave

            And now I can see them, too. Seems like sometimes I can see them, sometimes I can’t. I assumed it was because it was blocked, but maybe it’s a browser issue or something. Interesting.

    • C. Steadman

      Source confirms @Flowbro3 report: The Cubs have a minor deal in the works that would involve Trevor Gretzky going to the Angels.

      — Patrick Mooney (@CSNMooney) March 20, 2014

    • C. Steadman

      There you go! :)

  • Norm

    Mike Scioscia’s kid for Gretzky’s kid.

    Matt Scioscia.

    • Norm

      Jeez he sucks. I’d rather Gretzky.

      • Noah_I

        As weird as this sounds, it might have been as much about doing a solid for the kid (get him somewhere he might be a priority for the system).

        • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

          Normally in those deals the Cubs would be taking back someone in a similar circumstance from the Angels system. Or they would be taking back another very fringe type (often a pitcher). That’s fairly normal.

          I can’t recall a team doing a favor to a fringe-legitimate prospect by dealing him for a guy that can’t hit Low A pitching.

          I can also understand the Cubs sending some roster-filler to the Angels for Scoscia as a favor to the Angels, but not a fringe-legit prospect like Gretzky.

          For the Angels, this makes sense. For the Cubs, it doesn’t… unless they think there is value of some type in Scoscia. I know nothing about his arm, but right now I honestly would not be surprised to hear that the Cubs are planning to move him to the mound. Then, because there would at least a chance of some value coming back to the Cubs, the deal starts to make sense for the Cubs too.

    • Darth Ivy

      oooohhhh, “Matt Scioscia”

      I must’ve been scanning too quickly. I first read that as, “My Scrotum”

  • hoosiercub

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=sciosc001mat

    1B prospect who has played some catcher in the past…think we are picking him up to fully convert him for catching depth? the hitting doesn’t seem like a good reason to grab him…

  • Crockett

    Makes little sense on the face of it.

  • salesguy

    And following the trade to the Angels, Gretzky was involved in the first intersports trade in history being flipped to the L.A. Kings for cash, where he went on to become the second greatest hockey player of all time :)

  • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

    Gretzky was a candidate for the tail end of the Top 40.

    Scoscia is no where remotely close to the candidate list right now.

    I know very little of Scoscia so I’m working just on the numbers here, but even if he was the greatest defensive catcher in the history of baseball those A ball batting numbers would probably keep him from ever being a viable prospect. If those numbers are not skewed by injury or something similar, Cubs appear to have given away a fringe prospect with upside for Low A roster filler.

    This would make more sense if the Cubs were going to try to convert him to pitcher or if Scoscia had been injured. Otherwise, I’m really not sure what the incentive for the Cubs was. I can understand the Angels wanting to move Scoscia out of the system, but I don’t understand, yet, why the Cubs would have given up Gretzky to do them that favor.

    And that, in turn, tells me there is something here I’m not seeing.

    • http://www.survivingthalia.com Mike Taylor

      There’s gotta be something going on. First crack at Samardzija?

      • Jon

        Goodwill. Maybe Gretzky asked to be close to home.? Building and fostering solid relationships helps deals down the road.

        • C. Steadman

          But why Scoscia…i see that career 544 OPS in the minors and cringe…

          • Jon

            It’s all part of a grand scheme of many twists and plots which result in Mike Trout being a cub 3 years from now.

            • blublud

              Ok Diehard

        • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

          I can’t think of a single case of a fringe prospect being given away for goodwill reasons. Altruism is nice in theory, but it is very hard to find in a competitive market environment.

          • jp3

            Maybe Scosia and Cash??? I do think we’d sell rights to a prospect for a nickel

            • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

              And cash would make sense. You see Gretzky type prospects dealt for cash reasonably often.

              • jp3

                Yeah that’s the only thing that makes sense to me.

              • Edwin

                How much cash can a team send in a prospect deal like this?

                • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

                  I’ve never seen the dollar amount for any of those “for cash consideration” deals, but I have no reason to think the number is in any way significant.

          • Norm

            I think calling him a fringe prospect is being generous.

            • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

              Not really. Scouts liked Gretzky when he was drafted. He was extremely raw and immediately got injured, but he is easily among the Cubs best 60 or so prospects. Sure, he’s no Baez or Bryant or anything of that nature, but even lower level and fringe prospects have a non-zero value.

              The one caveat is that, so far, the power the scouts forecast has not shown up at all. If he never develops even average power I doubt he’ll have much of a future, but if the power does show up he’s got a chance.

              Which is more than I can say for Scioscia as a hitter.

              This front office has not made a habit of trading something of some value for something of absolutely no value, and that is what they appear to have done in this case.

              • Edwin

                I’ve never been more puzzled by such a potentially small move.

                • Jon

                  Eleventy Billion Dollars

                  • C. Steadman

                    Okay Dr Evil…

                  • http://fullcount1544.blogspot.com FullCountTommy

                    That’s not even a number……..yet

                    • Jon

                      Yet…..

                  • jp3

                    Yeah but do we get a compensation pick for losing him? IM thinking 3 1st rounders

              • ssckelley

                Luke, it is going to be ok bud. Go check out some more Baez homer videos and forget about it.

          • CubChymyst
            • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

              I did not see that one at the time.

              That would be even stranger.

            • Funn Dave

              “1.80 E.R.A. in 75 innings pitched at the AA and AAA level ”

              Hahaha wtf? And they gave him up for nothing?

        • http://www.friendly-confines.com hansman

          That only makes sense if Gretzky planned on playing in A+ ball until he is ready for the bigs.

      • http://www.friendly-confines.com hansman

        Doubtful. If the Angels just wanted Samardzija, they’d include Scoscia and Gretzky in that deal.

        But…even trying to do Gretzky a solid and moving him to a SoCal franchise makes no sense as he isn’t going to play for Inland Empire (San Bernadino team that is the Angels A+ ball club) forever and there is little chance he ever plays for the Angels.

  • ssckelley

    This deal is confusing, I see no value in Scoscia at all. But I am not going to lose any sleep over it as we are talking about a couple of low level minor leaguers.

    • jp3

      I’m thinking the angels are going to pay for a taco truck to be placed on Waveland on game days as the throw in with Scoscia.

      • ssckelley

        we’re good…see above…the Cubs have gotten Trouts jock strap included as part of the deal.

  • another JP

    If the name of the player we traded wasn’t named Gretzky this would totally be ignored. The Cubs are looking to build their catching stash and Gretzky was redundant talent. And today is the first time I’ve ever heard that he was a borderline top 40 or 50 prospect for the Cubs.

    Never a bad idea to keep trading avenues open with as many teams as possible- no matter how minor a deal it is.

  • Edwin

    I like to think that the trade is all part of some madcap poker game gone awry.

    • ssckelley

      It is a way for the Ricketts trust fund to stash some extra profits.

  • Jon

    In the grand scheme of things, does it really matter? Gretsky will never amount to anything as a player, so if was as simple as him looking at Theo the wrong way and him taking the first offer that came his way, would it matter?

    The move is on insignificance.

  • Serious Cubs Fan

    This Gretsky trade is so weird to me. Gretsky at least is young and still has projection. Matt Scioscia is 25 already and has terrible #’s.

    Not the biggest deal in the world but its like trading low level projectable player for a guy who is 25 already and no projection with terrible #’s. I mean its more of trading crap for crap but but at least one has more upside then the other

    • Jon

      [img]http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/47471330.jpg[/img]

      • Serious Cubs Fan

        haha exactly. At least Gretsky had a famous name and projection. Scioscia just for a lack a better word sucks (by the #’s)

      • ssckelley

        lmao, that was funny Jon!

        I cannot believe this thread has 92 responses already and poor Luke is beside himself. All for a guy who’s sister gets more google searches than he does.

        • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

          Beside myself? Nah.

          But definitely puzzled. Normally I can see the benefit to both sides in a trade, even if I think one team got robbed (the Fister trade, for example).

          In this case, I don’t see the benefit for the Cubs at all, and that is puzzling. The trade is extremely minor, but that doesn’t mean it is any less puzzling.

          When a good front office makes a move that does not appear to benefit them in any way, I start to suspect I’m missing something.

          Or, to say it differently, replace the Cubs with the Diamondbacks or the Royals and this trade would not surprise me at all.

  • Serious Cubs Fan

    Seriously can someone explain to me the logic of trading a projectable player for a 25yr old who really is not good with the stick? My only thought is maybe they thought Gretsky wasn’t going to make it and not great instincts to play the game.

  • Bleeding Blue

    i think we paid Gretzky a $350k bonus. This seems like an odd deal. Unless Gretzky wants to retire to go do something else. May be there is more to it.

    • cms0101

      Gretzky may have gotten more money than that. Here’s the thing. He was probably going to be in Kane Co. this season. That means he’d be competing for at bats with, potentially, Oliver Zapata, Reggie Golden, Kevin Encarnacion, Jose Dore, Trey Martin, Jacob Hanneman, Shawon Dunston Jr., Jacob Rogers, Yasiel Balaguert, and potentially a few more unnamed guys. this was a numbers game, and the Cubs probably viewed him as expendable. He hasn’t dominated at any level he’s played on, not even a little bit. He’s also blocked by so many other players. When Hendry drafted him, it was based on his projectible frame. He didn’t build on that. He’s a no-power, slow-footed, OF-1B that didn’t hit well in any category in 2013. He briefly flashed better numbers in 14 games at Kane Co., but was below average in Boise. Makes sense to move him, even if it’s to get an organizational catcher to help teach some of the younger guys. If the Angels have a better opportunity for him, you’re doing him a favor. We’ll all be pissed if something clicks and he becomes a stud, but I can’t see anything suspicious with this move.

  • Johnny Chess

    BIGGER disappointment? Not running into his Sister at Kane county Cougar games…awwww shucks!

  • cubs2003

    I’m guessing that Gretzky didn’t really have a place in the Cubs plans and they believe Scioscia was trained pretty well by his dad since he was a kid and that even as an organizational guy, he could be useful. I don’t know as much about the inner workings of baseball as many here, but it also seems like some of these types of moves are olive branches to get the communication lines open. I can’t remember for sure, but I seem to remember Theo made a small deal with Cashman quickly after he came to the Cubs. In the back of my mind I thought that maybe that was just to establish a new relationship after leaving the AL East. I could be wrong.

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