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  • Vladimir Guerrero returned to the Angels yesterday so that he could retire on one of those one-day contracts (the Expos don’t exist anymore, so … ). It was to be a great thing, capped off with him throwing out the ceremonial first pitch. Which he did, to Angels hitting coach, and former Cubs manager, Don Baylor. And Baylor caught it. But he also broke his leg. Ugh – the Angels certainly have bad luck with freak injuries. Somebody get Mike Trout in bubblewrap, posthaste.
  • Ryan Braun received a standing ovation in Milwaukee, which I actually think is what you should have expected. Does he deserve it? Of course not. The guy lied, repeatedly, buried innocent people, cheated the game, and almost single-handedly crushed the Brewers’ 2013 season (while ensuring he would lose the least amount of money in doing so). He should be booed. Repeatedly. But, here’s the thing: he’s still a good, important player to the Brewers, and he’s going to be around for years to come. The kind of cognitive dissonance hating him would produce in Brewers fans would be enough to explode their cheesy heads. They’ve gotta get over it so that they can continue to enjoy their team. I totally get it.
  • Tommy John surgery: it ain’t just for important starters! Or some other slogan like that. In other words, important relievers David Hernandez (Diamondbacks) and Bobby Parnell (Mets) could soon go under the knife. For Hernandez, the decision has been made. For Parnell, it’s a little more complicated, and might not be a true Tommy John situation, anyway – he’s got a partially torn MCL (not UCL), and he’s going to rest and get platelet-rich plasma injections before a decision is made on surgery. Parnell, 29, is the Mets’ closer, so any amount of lost time stings.
  • Speaking of injuries, Jose Reyes – that poor guy can’t catch a break – is already hitting the DL with hamstring tightness (which will be further evaluated today by MRI). He missed a sizable portion of last year with a bad ankle sprain. The Blue Jays were already light in the middle infield, so losing Reyes for any significant length of time would really hurt.
  • Rangers fans had a rough Opening Day. No, I’m not talking about them seeing their team lose to the Phillies despite scoring 10 runs. I’m talking about this:

  • Few things allow me to muster my full register of outrage – as you’ve notice, I see a lot of gray in the world – but this is one of them. In what universe would one person think it was OK to put their trash on a memorial statue, let alone dozens of people? Surrounded by hundreds of people who did nothing to stop them? “Well, I’m headed into the ballpark now and I can’t bring my Miller Lite can with me, and I don’t see a trash can within two feet of me, so I should probably just throw it on the ground. Wait! There’s a statue I can put my trash on, because I’m a very important person with very important things to do!”
  • The Rangers responded with a pretty reasonable “we try very hard to keep things clean, that shouldn’t have happened, and it won’t happen again” kind of statement, which is about the best they can do. But, really, this isn’t on the Rangers. It’s on the people who decided to act like pigs.
  • So as not to end on that note, here’s a picture of some of the Red Sox players visiting the White House. Well played, Jonny Gomes:

  • Jon

    “The guy lied, repeatedly, buried innocent people, cheated the game..”

    Hey, so did Sammy Sosa

    • http://becomehealthier.com drcub1908

      Not saying you are wrong Jon, but who did Sosa out and accuse of lying ?

    • Edwin

      Buried innocent people?

      • Jon

        Maybe not that, but he lied repeatedly, and cheated the game(in many variations)

        • Lukas

          Last I checked nothing has been proven…..

          • Jon

            You can buried your head in the sand on the steroids I guess, as for the corked bat, it exploding on national television wasn’t proof enough for you?

            • fortyonenorth

              How is this about Sosa? Last I heard, the Cubs were far from welcoming him back into the fold. Brewers fans wrapped Braun in a loving embrace. Quite a contrast.

              • Brocktoon

                It is disgraceful what the Cubs have done to Sosa though.

            • Mike

              Chicago fans were pretty hard on Sosa after the corked bat incident. In regards to steroids, there was only suspicion so that changes things. Braun was legitimately shown to be guilty and it was after he was caught once before and lied about it and went so far to throw others under the bus to get out of the first suspension. Different circumstances Jonny boy.

        • Brocktoon

          List of these repeated lies?

          • EvenBetterNewsV2.0

            Um, he buried an innocent worker whose job was to transfer his urine sample. He did this all in public to garner sympathy to clear his own name. He said quite a few things about that man that wasn’t quite accurate. He also said many things about him not touching steroids that weren’t accurate. He took the suspension didn’t he? He did that after blasting this man for doing his job. I mean seriously, he said the guy did something with his sample because the guy was a Cub fan. There is a lie. Repeated lies.

            • BT

              You are arguing with the wrong dude. Brocktoon was asking about Sosa’s lies, not Braun’s.

            • Jon

              “He did that after blasting this man for doing his job.”

              Technicality, Dino Laurenzi did not do his job. If he did do his job correctly, Braun would not have won the initial appeal.

              • Brocktoon

                Only if you interpret the drug agreement in a certain manner.

              • Brocktoon

                And he also blasted him for being an anti-semite, which was a disgraceful lie.

            • Funn Dave

              I believe he’s asking about Sosa’s alleged lies, not Braun’s.

    • Diehardthefirst

      Where is Ryan Dempsters high hard one when you need it? ARod is still smarting

  • ChrisFChi

    Sad to see Rangers fans disrespect that statue. I’m pretty sure there’s trash cans at the gate they could have used.

    But man, that flag suit, just wow.

    • Wilburthefirst

      Is a +1 on both comments a +0.5 (+1 / 2) or a +2 (+1 x 2) … life can be so confusing sometimes.

      • ChrisFChi

        Well, 2 x 1 = 2 so….

        • ChrisFChi

          Wait, ah I just confused my own self 😊

  • BenW

    Come on Ranger’s fans. Just use common sense, and don’t be disrespectful. Not saying we are perfect, but that one seems pretty obvious.

    Any chance the Jays would have interest in Castro? To me, the Jays window is rapidly closing, and so to lose Reyes for any amount of extended time would be terrible for them. Not sure what the return would be, but something with Sanchez + some flyers would be reasonable. Not sure if the Jays go for that.

    • Chad

      Why do you want to trade Castro now? Even if the cubs want to trade him they would be better served to wait and see if he bounces back this year.

      • BenW

        Personally I prefer to let Baez play at SS. I think there’s a less than 1% chance Baez doesn’t get promoted this year. If so, I want him as my SS, not Castro. If Castro is still here, that probably won’t happen. I’d only deal Castro if we are getting fair value for him though. I wouldn’t give him away.

        Keep in mind, there’s also a non-zero chance he doesn’t bounce back. I’m more optimistic with Castro, but it’s no guarantee.

    • ame1908

      The Cubs probably won’t trade Castro, but even if they do, it isn’t going to be now. His value is at rock bottom (hopefully), coming off a terrible season. IF they trade him, and I said if, they would be more likely to do it later this year or at some other point when he has re-established himself and when there are replacements ready to immediately fill his spot (Baez, Alcantara, etc.).

      • fromthemitten

        It may be opening day… but Castro looked locked in at SS. I’d rather see them send over Dar Bar but I doubt Reyes will be out that long

        • Travis

          Yeah, I dont think the Blue Jays are desparate enough to give up what they need to get Castro. Reyes probably wont be out that long and the Jays would have to give up a lot to get Castro at the moment.

  • roz

    “I see a lot of gray in the world”

    That’s the lawyer in you Brett.

    • Edwin

      Sounds like a medical thing he might want checked out.

      • http://www.survivingthalia.com Mike Taylor

        “Try the gray stuff, it’s delicious!”

        People in Texas have a different mindset than the rest of the country. For example, they have an unreasonable love of football and guns, still want to secede, and execute mentally-disabled criminals.

        • headscratchin

          Having lived in Texas for many many years now, I can vouch for the football, guns and secede stereotypes. That last one though is a bit of political shrill and this isn’t a politics blog.

  • Cubsin

    In defense of the Rangers fans who set their bottles and cans on the statue, consider that their alternatives were either eating their beverages containers or throwing them on the ground. I blame the stadium manager who apparently failed to realize that his customers might have a drink with them on the way into the ballpark and didn’t put out an adequate number of trash containers. (My apologies to the stadium manager if he did, and the fans were uncouth enough not to use them.)

    • ChrisFChi

      Almost all stadiums have trash cans at the gate for people to toss things not allowed in the park. Unless Ranger stadium janitorial crew dropped the ball, there’s no excuse for it.

    • TWC

      Weird comment. “Those Rangers fans aren’t in the least at fault! It’s the Rangers’ fault! (Unless it’s not the Rangers’ fault.)” Lots of equivocating there.

      Here’s an unequivocal statement: people who litter are contemptible assholes. Period. *Especially* those who throw their trash on a memorial statue. Screw them.

      • ChrisFChi

        +1

      • Cyranojoe

        Am I wrong to think that (some) people might have been making a comment? I see a lot of beer cans there. Was there any suggestion that alcohol contributed to that fan’s fall & death?

        I’m not sure which is worse, but I’m surprised we’ve only treated it as a contemptible misuse of the commons as opposed to an intentional shot at the Rangers/the fan.

  • Jon

    What about the dozens(if not more) Cub fans that bought those racist Fukodome tshirts? Every fanbase has it’s group of idiots. Pretty unfair to single out Ranger fans here.

    • TWC

      You’re right, Jon. Idiocy in all its forms should never go commented on due to there being idiots elsewhere.

      Thanks for clearing that up.

      Oh, but wait: http://www.bleachernation.com/2010/04/14/racist-and-homophobic-tee-shirts-still-hanging-around-wrigley/

    • another JP

      Yeah, that disco night at Comiskey Park was a real high point in baseball fandom, wasn’t it there Jon?

    • another JP

      Yep, Ozzie Guillen, former WSox manager, sure did wonders for race relations.

    • Picklenose

      Actually Jon I am kind of glad for Brett’s comments on this one. I saw the picture with no context and assumed it was someone’s sort of jerky, sort of funny satire on how much beer the fan who fell had been drinking. After reading Brett’s comments I realized how mistaken I was, and how insensitive that group of Ranger’s fans are.

      • Cyranojoe

        That was one of my first interpretations as well. You are not alone.

    • BT

      Seriously dude, are you so wired to knee jerk negatively towards the Cubs that you can’t see that covering a monument to a child who watched his father die in front of his eyes at a baseball game with trash deserves special mention? Sticking up for Braun was bad enough but the idea that we can’t get mad at Rangers fans because Cubs fans have been stupid in the past is nonsense.

      • Jon

        Those fans in Texas are indeed lazy jerkwads. Find a trashcan. Cubsin was actually the one making excuses for them so jump his ass.

        • waittilthisyear

          youre entire existence on this board is providing either contrarian (not in this case so don’t direct your response here) or negative and, more importantly, not helpful viewpoints on every single article. you can’t do that and then suggest we jump someone else’s ass

          • waittilthisyear

            wrong your. damnit it all

            • waittilthisyear

              and too many its. sigh

            • Funn Dave

              You’re forgiven. But you shall never be forgiven for spelling “dammit” incorrectly :P

              -BNGN

              • waittilthisyear

                harsh but fair

  • SenorGato

    Texas sucks. I so want nothing to ever do with that whole place.

    So I am thinking about getting OOTP for the first time. I’ve messed around with free versions over the past six months and it didn’t drive me crazy. Seems like a good year to buy it too because this year they are introducing real international rosters (so I can arrange for Shintaro Fujinami to become a Cub even before 2019?!?!!) and they’re making a ton of little changes (defaulting to wide screen finally) that really make this year’s version interesting. I’m interested to see how IFA works in the game since I didn’t play 2014′s version.

  • Javier Bryant

    Eduardo Nunez designated for assignment. Has he been that bad?

  • Steve

    Actually, it is my opinion that the flag, in any other form than an actual flag, is disrespectful. I find it very tacky and, well, in bad taste.

    • Dales Fired Ear

      Disrespectful to who?

      • http://www.friendly-confines.com hansman

        It is sooooo incredibly disrespectful that Gomes wrapped himself in a suit made to resemble the Flag.

      • ChrisFChi

        I’m a lil rusty on the federal law, but I’m pretty sure your not suppose to wear the flag as clothing.

        • Jon

          I’m pretty sure that is incorrect.

          • ChrisFChi

            http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Flag_Code

            the flag is not to be worn as apparel

            • C. Steadman

              I think Steve meant clothing that looks like the flag, like swim trunks that the patterin is all stars and stripes, not flags sewed to make some type of clothing.

            • Funn Dave

              Right there in the first line, it says that the flag code is “advisory” and has no punitive effect because it would restrict first amendment rights.

              • DarthHater

                Yea, but the first amendment is just a piece of paper, which carries very little weight when compared to a piece of cloth. :-P

            • Cyranojoe

              Not law. Not remotely law. Not remotely kinda sorta law.

              If it were, I’d have my neighbor up on high treason for the way he leaves his flag out all night, in the rain, getting ratty and faded and touching the ground 24/7. I’m one who is A-OK with any treatment of a flag that you so desire, but if you’re gonna hang a flag outside your house like you’re all patriotic and crap, know how to treat the damn thing.

              • scorecardpaul

                does it bother you when you see people burn the American flag?

                • Cyranojoe

                  I don’t want people to want to burn the flag. But I sure as hell don’t want my government to tell them they cannot do it. I’m not a soldier, but if there’s one thing that might persuade me to sign up for the job, it would be in order to defend all people’s inalienable right to express ourselves like this (and, preferably, in less contentious manners as well). Which of course includes everybody’s right to tell the flag-burners that they’re effin’ idiots, if that’s what you want to tell ‘em. Ideally, we’d have a conversation rather than a shouting match, but eh. Ideals and reality don’t see eye to eye often enough.

                  • Cyranojoe

                    And if that ain’t rambly and off-top of the Cubs, I don’t know what is. :)

                    • Cyranojoe

                      *topic

                    • scorecardpaul

                      The discussion of wearing flag clothes was brought up in the original post by Brett. I simply disagree with the disgracing of the American flag.

                    • Cyranojoe

                      And I disagree that something as simple and, frankly, joyful as the wearing of flag-inspired clothing can possibly reach the level of disgrace. At most, it’s tacky to wear something so gaudy to the White House. But it’s such a minor thing compared to the actions of so many other people that genuinely merit the label “disgrace”…

                    • scorecardpaul

                      and because it is enjoyable to do that makes it ok. What about the people who you are offending?

                    • scorecardpaul

                      why is it that if it bothers you what others say or do that it is disgraceful, but because you don’t care about the flag its no big deal?

          • sdcoddi

            He’s right:

            “The flag should not be used as “wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery”, or for covering a speaker’s desk, draping a platform, or for any decoration in general (exception for coffins).”

            Found on Wikipedia under “United States flag code”

            • Jon

              The FBI better get to work then arresting the millions of people that do this every year.

              • C. Steadman

                Clothing that resembles a flag is different than an actual flag being worn as clothing…

                • Funn Dave

                  Either way, the flag code does not have the force of law. These are baseball players, not soldiers or boy scouts.

                  • ChrisFChi

                    My most humble apologies for using the term “Federal law”.

                    • Cyranojoe

                      Sorry for jumping on ya about it. :)

                • Jon

                  That is not an actual flag Gomes is wearing. And millions of people do something very similar every year with clothing.

        • http://www.friendly-confines.com hansman

          This isn’t a flag. It is a piece of clothing made to look like the flag.

          Also, there really isn’t a law regarding the flag. There is a Flag Code, but that is just a recommendation of what you should do.

          • C. Steadman

            Exactly, someone gets it.

          • ChrisFChi

            I know there are veterans on here, and I’m not going to get into a pissing match over interpretation of the code. I have the flag that draped my grandfathers casket in a flag case on the wall (WW2 and Korean war vet. Silver star+ 2 purple hearts). I just find things like that disrespectful. Put on a pin. Hold a hand held flag. Don’t wear a suit or other clothing that resembles our nations flag.

        • ClevelandCubsFan

          That’s correct. But.. look closely… it’s not a suit made from a flag. It’s just more of a flag themed suit.

    • Jon

      If it was Rand Paul and not Gomes, it would have been all good right?

      • Jason P

        It would have been fine regardless of who wore the suit. That this is even a conversation is kind of ridiculous.

        • Jon

          It’s like the bitching about the Blackhawks anthem ritual.

    • Funn Dave
    • scorecardpaul

      +1 a flag is a flag not a suit

      • scorecardpaul

        It’s not the fact that there is or isn’t a “flag law”, and it’s not the fact that we are free to do whatever we want, The fact is, it shows disrespect for our flag and the people who have died protecting it.

        • Funn Dave

          People haven’t died to protect a flag. People have died to protect a country and its citizens. To conflate flag with country is the secular equivalent of worshipping false idols.

          • scorecardpaul

            “To conflate flag with country is the secular equivalent of worshipping false idols” This statement makes no sense. one has nothing at all to do with the other. I do not expect to change your mind. You have the right to your own beliefs. I am always amazed with this site because we will fight all day about how if someones’ feelings are hurt by what another says or does, that the one hurting the feelings is wrong. never mind, you win go redskins!!

            • Cyranojoe

              Actually, it’s a marvelous statement. The flag is representative of an ideal, as an idol/god is. Don’t worship the flag, worship the ideals that it stands for.

              • scorecardpaul

                I never said to idolize the flag. Lets not take this to a religious discussion. I’m quite positive we wouldn’t agree on that one. I am not saying to idolize anything. I am saying respect the flag.

                • Cyranojoe

                  It’s an analogy. Not a one-to-one comparison.

                  • scorecardpaul

                    you should be a politician, you sure like to say a bunch of crap, but you never really say anything. go ahead and wear your flag clothes, I think it is wrong, that is my right also.

          • C. Steadman

            The flag represents the USA. The flag represents what the soldiers have died for. Disrespecting a symbol of what those soldiers died for is disrespecting the soldiers that died. Obviously paul didn’t mean they died while literally protecting a flag. Sorry you take things too literal.

            • ssckelley

              But he is right, technically it is a form of an idol.

              • C. Steadman

                In the loose definition of an idol, I guess yes…but that definition will be like the 3rd or 4th listing under idol in the dictionary. It’s symbolic of the United States nation and the people that call it home.

            • roz

              I think trying to suppress people’s right to free speech might be disrespectful to what soldier’s died for.

              • scorecardpaul

                I am not the person who is calling people names for their beliefs. I am the one being put down because of how I feel about the American flag. That in itself is pretty sad. I am all for freedoms, I am simply stating that I find it disrespectful to treat our flag like that.

                • Dales Fired Ear

                  I just don’t understand why It’s disrespecting anyone wearing that suit. Like the flag is nothing, soldiers don’t die for flags they die to defend their family and friends and communities. To attribute their sacrifice to something like a flag seems insulting to me. I see someone burning a flag and don’t give one shit about it, its like cool you can burn our flag try to come at us bro.

          • mjhurdle

            with all due respect, I will tell you from experience that you are completely wrong.
            The purpose of a nation flag is to symbolize the country and its citizens.
            To show disrespect to the flag (while obviously not the same as hurting a person) is showing disrespect to the country and the citizens of that country.
            The flag is meant to be combined with the country, to the point that the mere sight of the flag identifies a country and brings to mind its actions and ideals.
            We can disagree about the levels of disrespect something may or may not contain, but to act like the country and its flag are not intricately linked is silly.

            I find it slightly funny that you jump all over someone for using certain terms because there *might* be someone out there that would get offended, but then turn around and throw this out without regard to to the feelings of someone who might disagree with your evaluation of the flag’s worth. Is the flag not a hipster enough cause to become feelings police on the internet?

            Also, to say that no one has died to protect a flag shows a pretty incomplete understanding of the Civil War.

            • C. Steadman

              +1

            • Santos Toupee

              Mjhurdle, I was trying to find the words, but you wrote what I wanted to say. Well done! Had this discussion with a cousin who fought in Vietnam and I lean toward idiots have the right to burn the flag, but I reserve the same freedom to tell them they are idiots. However, my cousin passionately explained how important our flag is to those who served. An opinion worthy of respect given I never served.

              It does seem that many young people tie themselves up in knots with outrage if one person’s feelings are hurt over an “approved grievance.” However, you will be viciously attacked if you have a grievance on the unapproved list. Seeing racism around every corner seems to be the norm and if you don’t agree…look out.

              For instance, the NCAA seems very conscious of racism yet Florida State can pay money to a tribe and keep its “racist” name but since the Illini have no tribe to pay off, it must ban its mascot most revered and found inspirational. Either something is racist or not and no amount of money should be able to cure that. Yet the keepers of political correctness have somehow twisted their thinking into accepting this as logical thought.

            • Ron

              I to want to thank you for writing this mjhurdle. I was quietly stewing reading this thread trying to articulate my disgust instead I will just tell a short story….While I was is a “training environment” held captive in a military school they put us in formation and burned a flag. A guy lost it and tried to save the flag. He was promptly “executed” in front of us. The point was it is only a piece of cloth to those that don’t respect it and it is never worth dying over. However, when we were finally “liberated” and the flag was raised in front of us I openly wept like I had never done so in public before or since. So while others may ridicule and disrespect it is nice to know that others are out there that still hold things in such regard. Thanks again.

  • sdcoddi

    Do you think the fans put those cans there since the guy was drink when he fell over the edge and died? I don’t remember if that was the case or not. Maybe ithis was their way of protesting a statue put in honor of something like that

    • sdcoddi

      No, I’m not justifying them covering the base up with beer cans and other stuff.

  • http://bleachernation.com woody

    Hate Braun all you want, but with RISP he is effective and feared. Something we need badly. And just like with politicians the coverup is usually worse than the crime. So the difference between Braun and Sosa or Bonds or McQuire? He got caught, that’s all. You got to give Braun some credit for owning it and cutting his losses when it counted. Look at the A-rod fiasco for an example. But laws and rules have consequences and when a person has paid that debt then theoretically they start with a clean slate. Except we all know that isn’t true, don’t we. But the important thing is that Braun personally asked the guy he wronged for forgiveness and that person accepted his apology. Also Braun showed remorse for his actions, something that A-rod seems incapable of doing. Braun may lose a little power, but he is still a dangerous hitter. The problem as I see it with Cub fans and the current FO is that they want to build guys up as the face of the franchise i.e. Rizzo who have yet to perform at that level. In the same way they are creating a legend around certain prospects based on A ball performances. This is silly self promotion IMO and just puts added pressure on those players before they ever set foot in Wrigley field. It is obvious to me that Castro and Rizzo have both suffered from the promotional pressures of being the “young guns” rather than having some capable veterans to carry the load until they are up to the task and have finished their development. But capable veterans cost money and so now we have created a culture of losing with this approach. Let’s see how much it has damaged those younger guys who have struggled to live up to those lofty expectations. And if Rizzo and Castro don’t live up to those expectations then we bring in Baez with all the expectation on his shoulders. We shall see.

    • Brocktoon

      Braun was caught originally through MLB’s testing. His reaction was to attack the person who administered the test and tell people he tampered with the sample because he was an anti-semite. He did this, while fully knowing that the positive was accurate.

      Braun’s being effective and feared with RISP is that he puts up almost identical numbers to when there aren’t men in RISP. Funny how that works.

  • cubfanincardinalland

    I actually leave a six pack of Pabst blue ribbon on my old mans tombstone every memorial day. One year I came back a month later, the cans were empty and a note was left. It said, we didn’t think he would mind, thanks.

    • TWC

      Yeah. Totally the same thing.

    • C. Steadman

      Wow, that’s really disrespectful of the people that did that.

  • Funn Dave

    SSS, of course, but my Brewer-fan friends here in Madison all hate Braun for lying to them. Do they want him off their team? Of course not. But they sure as shit wouldn’t give him any sort of standing ovation or anything.

  • Steve

    I didn’t say it was illegal, I said:

    “Actually, it is my opinion that the flag, in any other form than an actual flag, is disrespectful. I find it very tacky and, well, in bad taste.”

    I might be a bit biased, as I hold the flag and what it stands for very, very dear, and I feel it should be represented only in one form, that of a flag, not as a joke from some wise ass cracker at the Whitehouse.

    • Jon

      How do you know that Gomes intent was a joke and not his way of honoring the US. That is ridiculous.

      • ChrisFChi

        I agree with you here Jon. I don’t believe it was a joke. My personal opinion is what it is. Hell I bet Obama probably said “cool suit”.

        • C. Steadman

          Obama probably didn’t even know that was suppose to resemble the American flag.

          • ssckelley

            damn, you are killing it today!

          • Brocktoon

            Next time wear a Kenyan flag suit.

          • ChrisFChi

            I’ll give you that. I lol’d

        • blublud

          My problem is not the suit, but why the President feels the need to welcome a sports team to the white house for winning a title. I think whole thing has always been tacky. Who started this crap. I don’t think we should be wasting government resources on this crap.

          • Funn Dave

            Hey, we agree on something political. Who’da thunk it.

          • Brocktoon

            What government resources were wasted?

            • blublud

              Not to get into politics, but since it involves baseball, I will. These guys are fed, and fed well, when they make these visits, and they are fed with our money. I sure there was a couple thousand spent on them. Doesn’t sound like much, I know, but its still our money that shouldn’t be used to feed a baseball team full of millionaires $50+ meals.

              • Edwin

                Actually, my taxes only go to the good things that government does. I specically wrote on the check “for things I would approve of only”.

              • Brocktoon

                This is so absurdly far down the list of government waste, it’s almost comical.

          • Jon

            While sports teams have visted the white house dating back to Andrew Jackson, the tradition of every major sports champion visiting the white house was actually ushered in by the champion of conservative government spending, Ronald Reagan.

            • blublud

              As a conservative spending guy, that’s was a stupid move by him. Why can’t I take my football team of 12 year olds to visit the white house and eat expensively with the president.

              • BT

                Because they didn’t win a NATIONAL championship. If they do, knock yourself out.

                • blublud

                  The federal government has ballooned to something I’m sure the founding fathers never expected. The federal governments job is to provide national security, both domestically and internationally. The POTUS is a CIC, not a celebrity(though 16 of the last 24 years, it’s been a position held by a celebrity). Its not his job, or our responsibility to fund a visit to the White House for a bunch of ball players.

                  • BT

                    So, to be clear, the 16 celebrity years were 8 years of Clinton, 6 years of Obama, and I guess 2 years of George Bush Sr?

                    Keep digging.

                    • blublud

                      I’m sorry, I jumped the gun. I guess that will apply around around mid January, 2017.

                    • TWC

                      Apparently being the son of a president and a millionaire owner of a baseball team doesn’t make you a celebrity.

                      That’s kinda interesting. Kinda bullshit, too.

                • Funn Dave

                  Running into a bunch of people and getting a pigskin into an endzone more than another group of guys does not warrant a trip to the White House, no matter on what scale you do so. Most citizens can’t even get a tour of the white house without jumping through a bunch of hoops well in advance.

                  • blublud

                    Exactly. I just think it is absolutely done. Take a trip to Disney, the White House was not intended for this.

                    • BT

                      I’m sure you will hold Reagan properly responsible, just as I’m sure you were simply OUTRAGED while teams visited Dubya while he was in office. During the very serious non-celebrity White House years, hereafter referred to as America’s Golden Age.

                    • blublud

                      I was to young for Reagan, but I already called him dumb for it. Yes W and Obama also. The two of those guys, O and W, have gotten a combined 4 of my votes, so I’m not speaking politically, just personality wise.

    • ssckelley

      So wearing something you support and believe in is considered bad taste?

      Damn, there goes almost my entire wardrobe.

      • scorecardpaul

        The american flag should mean a lot more than a Greatful Dead shirt! That is the point I am trying to make. Dress however you want, it is a free country. But at least admit that being free is a great way to be. The symbol of our great flag is a sybol of freedom.

        • ssckelley

          If people feel strong enough about it that they want to wear it I have no problem with it. I think people are making something out of nothing.

          • C. Steadman

            The people you see wearing American flag-style swim trunks are probably not the ones who feel strong enough for it to wear it for the right reasons. They’re just wearing it to “be cool”. If you wear the American flag-looking clothing for the right reasons, then by all means. But too many people wear it just to “be cool”.

  • JAllman

    I live in the Dallas area. A good buddy was pre-game tailgating out there yesterday. Of course I texted him today speculating on his involvement in this mess, just kidding of course, I don’t think he’s a litterbug. He wasn’t aware of the story and may have entered thru a different gate. He called this a non story and blamed a slow news day. He said it’s a shame for the widow and son to see this in the news and I agree there too but you can’t blame the messenger.

    • ssckelley

      I don’t consider this any more of a story than some dumb 16 year old kid who shucks a McDonalds sack out the window while driving down the road, or people who flick their cigarette butts on the ground saying they “disintegrate”. At least these people left a mess where someone who gets paid to clean the stadium will take care of it.

      • Funn Dave

        I’m a smoker, and one of my big pet peeves is when the snow evaporates and the ground is just covered in cigarette butts. It’s not that hard to just put them in an ashtray or put them out and put them back in the pack until you can find a proper receptacle.

      • BT

        Exactly. In fact, it would have been no big deal if someone took a huge dump in the kid’s glove. I mean a janitor will get to it eventually, right?

        • ssckelley

          lol, very funny…but taking a dump in public will get you arrested.

          I doubt people set the cans there thinking it was disrespecting anything, they probably thought it was better than tossing them on the ground (which many people do). Fact is a lot of people do not pick up after themselves, ever see a stadium after everyone leaves? It drives me nuts when people cannot have the decency to take their drink, popcorn, or nacho containers and toss them into the trash can on their way out. But as I said before, somebody is getting paid to do it. I suppose behavior likes this eventually leads to some kid shucking out garbage out their car window. IMO, that is disrespecting our country more than someone wearing a flag suit like what is being debated above.

  • Diehardthefirst

    They should put all such memorials in a protected garden like in Houston

    • DarthHater

      Now if Houston could just locate some fans from whom to protect the memorials…

  • Diehardthefirst

    With Parnell out maybe Cubs could parlay Schlitter in a rewarding trade to Mets?

    • another JP

      We could only wish that were the case Diehard. But you bring up an interesting thought- it was just last season that the Cubs had about the worst bullpen in baseball. Now, it appears to be a strength with even more relievers like Vizcaino, Rosscup, Ramirez, and Parker just waiting to be called up.

  • candyland07

    Kinda laughed at the Braun rant, He got caught. He did his suspension If he continues to cheat he will face the consequence when he is caught again or he will be the best baseball player he can be. But i get it – he cheated (HE walked out in a Gorilla suit) he let down the fan base ( He let down the front office on the eve of winter meetings) Braun threw people under the bus ( Rewrite history – someone in that gorilla outfit wanted more money and not a power struggle)

    Heck i guess the rant was well deserved.

    • BT

      Gosh, when you put it that way, it’s kind of eerie how completely unrelated the 2 situations are.

  • Darth Ivy

    I’m sorry, I thought this was America

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2zlPNGuPbw

    • Seth

      Thanks for putting some much needed comedy in this horrendous thread of comments. You almost redeemed it.

  • Voice of Reason

    I’m so tired of bashing individual players for steroids.

    All of baseball is to blame. Time to move forward.

    Otherwise we need to boo Sosa, Kerry wood, mark prior, frank thomas, etc.

    • scorecardpaul

      I think it is funny how some people absolutely hate one or two players for using steroids, and then hide their head in the sand when it comes to players they like

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

      There’s evidence that Wood and Prior used? Other than the “eye test” that is?

      • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

        Actually, chuck Thomas in there as well.

        • Brocktoon

          And Sosa

      • scorecardpaul

        Are you trying to say that the only people you think used steroids are the people who were caught

        • C. Steadman

          No, but you can’t just assume everyone that was an outstanding athlete that was built who played in that era was on steroids…VOR mentioned Kerry Wood and Mark Prior when there isn’t evidence to support that.

          • C. Steadman

            There’s enough suspicion with Sosa that I’d be willing to wager money he used ‘roids. There isn’t enough evidence against Wood, Prior, Thomas that I could say it’s a safe bet.

            • Brocktoon

              Suspicion is in the eye of the beholder. The fact is there’s very little evidence that Sosa used steroids but he’s consistently lumped in with proven users.

              • C. Steadman

                Sosa was my favorite player growing up…so I don’t think the “eye of the beholder” crap works with me. Sorry.

                • Brocktoon

                  Why do you suspect him?

          • scorecardpaul

            I think there is plenty of evidence for prior, we just need to allow ourselves to see it.

            • C. Steadman

              Steroids help heal players quicker…With the amount of time Prior spent on the DL I believe he didn’t take them…but I’m willing to see some evidence otherwise

              • scorecardpaul

                so, because I can’t point to an article Ther is no evidence? Therefore he never used drugs?

                • C. Steadman

                  Yeah, if you don’t have evidence present then how can you say there’s plenty of evidence

                  • mjhurdle

                    +1

                  • scorecardpaul

                    because I’m not 12, I was around at the time that these players played. I was on college campuses, I was in high schools. I have talked to many people about it. Do you think the Steelers usede to use steroids. I have talked to people in charge of college athletic programs. steroids used to be everywhere

                    • C. Steadman

                      That’s not evidence. That’s making a generalization, which is pretty much saying all pro baseball players who were good used steroids because they used to be everywhere.

              • scorecardpaul

                I remeber some guy from Texas who the Cubs used to fly up to help Prior when he needed to work on things. He was described at the time as a long time pitching guru (or something like that). The Cubs made a big deal out of it, and they talked about how he and Mark had such a great long term working relationship that he could get his mechanics back in order very quickly. He was talked about several different times. When the roids story broke this guy came out in public and said something like every player I have ever worked with from high school to the pros has used steroids. It is just a part of the game that the good players need in order to be sucessfull. Needless to say the Cubs stopped bringing him around, and never mentioned him again.

                • C. Steadman

                  Are you talking about Tom House? If so, you are twisting the story. Tom House admitted to using steroids himself, but never mentioned anything about former pupils. People ran with that story, because he had been Prior’s pitching coach. If you’re guilty by association, then I bet I could draw a line to any player in the MLB during 2005 and make an outrageous case he used steroids.

                  • scorecardpaul

                    I might be talking about Tom House. You remember it one way, I remember it another. If my pitching coach was taking steroids before they were illegal and he didn’t give me any, I would have been pissed off. Your argument is not very strong??

                    • C. Steadman

                      Tom House admitted to using steroids in the 70s…Your argument is not very strong, basing it off of your “memory” and calling it facts.

                    • Picklenose

                      Paul – I just googled and read 3 articles (no wikis) about Tom House. He used in the 70′s, he claims it was widespread, but since few players lifted weights no bulked up noticeably. He quit as he learned of their dangers, and he says many players quit as well since the benefits were not that pronounced. The author of one article noted that things changed after players started weight training programs and the benefits of steroids became more pronounced. House did not accuse any of his students of using steroids. Since he quit due to dangers and side effects it is not really that logical to assume he gave them to his students.

                  • scorecardpaul

                    and my point is your last point, I think that yes, most all players at one time were using something that would now be seen as “wrong”

                    • C. Steadman

                      Okay, you can think that. That is your opinion. But don’t say there’s substantial evidence against someone and then stumble to provide some by saying “I remember” and calling it facts.

                    • scorecardpaul

                      I don’t think I ever said anything at all about substantial evidence?

                    • C. Steadman

                      “there is plenty of evidence for prior”

                      up above

                    • scorecardpaul

                      what kind of coach would use a miracle drug that allowed for great gains and improvements,( and was not illigal) and not give it to his players? that doesn’t even make sense? if it does, please explain it to me.

                    • C. Steadman

                      A coached that said he used in the 70s, before the player he coached was even born.

                    • scorecardpaul

                      really? did he not inhale it? come on use your brain. he only took it once, and didn’t get very good results from it so he stoped??

                    • C. Steadman

                      So because the coach used steroids as a player in the 70s, the player used them in the 2000s? Wow, love that logic.

                    • scorecardpaul

                      Yes, because the coach admitted that he used them in the 70′s, and because steroids do what they are supposed to do. The coach would have seen many benefits in taking the roids, and because they were not illegal he would have given them to his players so they could also gain the benefits of the roids.

                    • C. Steadman

                      Except in that player’s profession they were illegal.

                    • scorecardpaul

                      I don’t think they were illegal until 2005. That is why some people think that he washed out, because he thought he needed them, and he simply wasn’t the same without them? Prior played from 2002 to 2006

                    • scorecardpaul

                      Why do you think so many ex players have come out and made statements something like 80% of mlb palyers used roids, or 40% use….

                    • Brocktoon

                      Which is a different statement than calling out specific players as you did upthread.

                  • DocPeterWimsey

                    To clarify what House said, his claim was that management was giving the players steroids and any other putative PED that they thought would improve their play. I distinctly remember House stating that they were giving ballplayers stuff that they (owners) wouldn’t have given their race horses! That was partially to drive home his point: in his day, the players were meat that the owners treated like cattle, and PEDs were part of that.

                    There was some question as to whether House was correct about what players were being given. Obviously, they were given amphetamines and other “pep” drugs as part of daily regimens. However, it seems more probable that steroids crept into baseball when baseball players started to hit the weight rooms in the late 1970′s: after all, steroid use was ubiquitous among body builders at that time. It’s forgotten now, but management at that time was often opposed to players doing this because of the belief that it slowed down the swings and reaction times of batters. (Baseball management has a history of not simply being incorrect, but having it utterly backwards!)

                    • scorecardpaul

                      House, 58, estimated that six or seven pitchers per team were at least experimenting with steroids or human growth hormone. He said players talked about losing to opponents using more effective drugs.

                      “We didn’t get beat, we got out-milligrammed,” he said. “And when you found out what they were taking, you started taking them.”

                • scorecardpaul

                  no, I’m not saying all who were good used. I’m saying ALL used

                  • scorecardpaul

                    O.K. how about if I know people who have seen players use, but their names have never been brought up in a steroid discussion? because I wont tell you names does that mean I am wrong?

                    • scorecardpaul

                      I think many people over a certain age have taken steroids. You are missing my point. My point is that all kinds of athletes used to take steroids. High school, college, pro sports of all types. It is just how it used to be. I lived it you didn’t obviously. Why because I can’t show you facts are you so against seeing my point of view. Ask an older athlete. check for yourself be your own judge, don’t just ignore what you are hearing because you don’t believe it. why would I, or anyone else make this crap up. Why would a top coach use it himself, and not give it to his players?

                    • C. Steadman

                      So because you are older than me is why I have to believe you? I’m not ignoring what I’m hearing, but I’m not taking much weight into what you’re saying because you’re just some guy on some blog.

                  • scorecardpaul

                    I’m saying ask people who are athletes who are older than yourself. Don’t ask a pro who could have his reputation ruined, ask someone who didn’t make it. Ask someone who was on a team with players who made it to the show. Ask people who work in the sporting industry. That is my point exactly… don’t ask a bunch of kids who spend their free time typing on a blog. Ask a person who used to play in the time that we are talking about. It’s not rocket science. do the very minima;l amount of legwork, or research. Look up the early 70′s Steeler that is one of the first places it went big time. Why do you think they were a dynasty.

              • Voice of Reason

                All of this bickering over who did and who didn’t is backing up my first post that started these responses.

                We don’t know everyone who took them. All of baseball is to blame. Those who knew and said nothing are guilty, too.

                Let it go. You can recognize it because it happened and it was horrible for the game, but why say boo Braun? Why not boo everyone who played during that time. All players, owners and the commissioner knew it was going on, too.

    • Brocktoon

      Thing is, I do agree with the demonizing of individual players for whatever use. I don’t hate Braun because he used, I hate Braun because of what he did to Laurenzi. His response to his PED accusation is far worse than what A-Rod or Bonds did, but you wouldn’t know that from how most people treat them

      • Brocktoon

        Should clarify, I agree with your point about how it’s ridiculous to demonize individual players over PED use.

      • C. Steadman

        Agreed, Braun was caught and he went overboard to try and keep his name “clean” while making it even worse. Same with A-Rod. Andy Pettitte should be the role model for anyone who gets caught.Obviously don’t take steroids, but one should fess up, apologize, and put one’s head down and work their tail off to become the best player they can be post-scandal. That’s what Pettitte did and I think out of all the users, he’s probably the one I respect the most.

        • Brocktoon

          I’d need to look further into it, but I don’t recall Pettitte getting out in front of it, moreso he fessed up once he had no other choice, just like most everyone else. It’s not the denial, so much as trying to take other people down with you. I give credit to Melky for ingenuity in creating a false website to clear his name. Sure it was a ridiculous plan that was never going to work, but it was more entertaining than “my supplement must have been tainted”

      • BT

        See, Brocktoon and I can agree on something.

  • DarthHater

    Hey, cool! New Stat! SABOGAFLAN (Spewing A Bunch Of Garbage About Flags Like A Nincompoop).

    • scorecardpaul

      why is it a bunch of garbage just because you are on the other side of the discussion?

    • ssckelley

      I can’t believe this article has more comments in it than the one earlier.

  • ssckelley

    Jeez, drugs are no big deal. Heck even Ryno took roids!

  • mjhurdle

    Cy Feldman blanks the Yankees through 6 2/3, then leaves to a standing ovation.
    I wasn’t for the Cubs re-signing him, but I do like to see him doing well.

    i wish I knew a Yankees version of BleacherNation. it was funny watching everyone freak out here over a 1-0 opening day road loss. It would be about 10x better on that Yankees site if the Yankees somehow lost to Houston to open the season.

    • Jon

      A Yankees BN probably would sit around and bitch about how cost inefficient their team is

      • mjhurdle

        i really doubt that. I think all they really care about is winning. I would see them complaining more about the fact that Sabathia might be finally running down, they don’t have a SS, they have a couple gambles in Ellsbury and Tanaka that have to pay off, and that, even if it all comes together, they still might only be the 3rd best team in that division.
        But if you think that they care about cost inefficiency, then more power to ya.

      • BT

        No Jon, I’m sure Yankee fans are happy as clams paying Sabathia 23 million last year to end up with a worse fWAR than Travis Wood, watch him let up 6 runs and lose to the Astros today, all the while knowing they only owe another 100 million over the coming 4 years to him. Meanwhile, they had to let Cano go.

        • Jon

          They might consider the fact that CC’s dominance in 2009 won them a WS and the world isn’t perfect and sometimes in FA , you overpay

          • mjhurdle

            CC was good in 2009, but it wasn’t his dominance that won them 103 games and the World Series. It was the offense that led the AL in OBP, SLG, HR, BB, Total Bases, and runs scored.
            their pitching was good, and Sabathia was definitively not bad, but to say it was his dominance that won them a World Series is a stretch.

            I honestly wonder if you told the Yankees (and their fans) that they would pay Sabathia 200 million + and they would get 1 World Series out of it, whether they would still do it?
            Obviously as a Cub fan I would do it. I imagine As fans would do it, but i would a Yankee fan, with all that history, have higher expectations.?

            • Kyle

              If they wouldn’t do it, they are the dumbs.

              • mjhurdle

                maybe. any other team and i would say no doubt. but the Yankees average a championship every 4 years. that breeds a sense of entitlement, and that is where i see that maybe there is a chance

                • Brocktoon

                  They win one every 4 years in the sense that the Red Sox win one every 14.

    • Kyle

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