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Matt Garza buntIt’s an off-day today, but I’m going to take in a game anyway: the Kane County Cougars are playing the Dayton Dragons this evening, so I figure I’ll make the drive down to check them out. Pitching prospect Daury Torrez is scheduled to start, and I can’t wait to see him. It’s a good sign for the Cubs’ pitching prospect depth that a guy like Torrez seems to get lost in the hype shuffle.

  • My heart has been warmed: when discussing that ill-timed, ill-advised sacrifice bunt last night in the fifth inning by Welington Castillo with runners on first and second and nobody out, Ricky Renteria says that was not a call from the bench. “We wanted him to swing the bat,” Renteria told ESPN. Yes, yes, a million times yes. As I’ve written, the sacrifice bunt almost never makes sense, and the Cubs have been leaning on it way too heavily in the early going. I’m very happy to hear that, at least in that situation, it wasn’t the manager pushing for the bunt. (At the same time, hitters tend not to do those things on their own unless there’s a bit of a cultural approval of sac bunts. Let this be the start of guys not doing that on their own anymore. Sac bunts are the devil.)
  • I noted in last night’s EBS that the Cubs had a rough nightcap with runners in scoring position, but it was actually a doubleheader-long thing: the Cubs were 0-13 with runners in scoring position on the day. That dropped the team’s BA with RISP to just .195 on the year. (Can you believe there are still six teams worse than that, though? Including the Red Sox at .192.)
  • A profile on Ricky Renteria, and thoughts on his job satisfaction so far (spoiler alert: he’s still satisfied, even if he doesn’t like the losing).
  • Ben Lindbergh looks into the pace of baseball games in recent years, and notes that, yup, things are slowing down – pitchers and hitters are taking more time between pitches year after year, and the length of games is increasing. He dives into the data to search for reasons and meaning (relievers take way longer than starters, by the way), and one thing jumped out: you aren’t imagining things – Edwin Jackson really is one of the slowest-working starters in baseball right now. The fact that he always seems to have guys on base probably doesn’t help.
  • Alfonso Soriano is a cool dude, and I hope he comes back into the Cubs’ family somehow when his playing days are over.
  • Cubs infield prospect Arismendy Alcantara had a sufficiently big day yesterday that it earned him a spotlight piece on MiLB.com, and raised his season line to .289/.306/.467. The 22-year-old has been playing some shortstop in Javier Baez’s absence, and would be discussed so much more by Cubs fans if not for the existence of The Big Four. A 22-year-old shortstop at AAA with the kind of season he had last year? He’s legit. If Baez winds up at second base, and Starlin Castro stays at short, however, the Cubs will have to work to figure out how to get him in the mix. (Also Christian Villanueva, Mike Olt, Kris Bryant …. )
  • Former Cubs pitcher Casey Coleman has caught on with the Royals.
  • In case you were worried about Albert Almora, who turned 20 yesterday, and has sat out a couple games after that nosebleed that wouldn’t stop:

  • nate1m

    With the Baez injury and AA’s plays does he get a call up first? I’ve liked him for a while and was hoping he’d get a shot before the end of the year.

    • http://fullcount1544.blogspot.com FullCountTommy

      Cool your jets. Baez has a minor ankle sprain and Almora has never played above A ball

      • http://fullcount1544.blogspot.com FullCountTommy

        Unless you mean Alcantara (you probably do) in which case I’ll just slowly walk away with my head down…

        • nate1m

          Yep. But man I wish Almora was in this discussion

  • joejoe234

    I don’t know what Castillo was thinking, must have missed a sign. If anyone wants my season (press box view) tickets for the hundred anniversary series I posted about them on the message board. I am not looking to make money just want someone from BN to use them.

  • JCubs79

    I agree about the pace of baseball games being too long. I mean I can sit through and watch a whole game because I love the sport but I get how it’s not good for business.

    I think the first step to fixing the pacing of the game is to eliminate the batter’s ability to step out of the box in between pitches. Switch the rules to something like high school rules where you can take one foot out of the box between pitches, look down to your coaches and get your signals and step back in. No more of all this taking 10 second between pitches to readjust your batting gloves nine times.

    I think a pitch clock (which actually think there already is in the rule book but not enforced) would make some sense as well.

    • Edwin

      “I think the first step to fixing the pacing of the game is to eliminate the batter’s ability to step out of the box in between pitches”

      Love it. And the pitch clock idea. Yes yes yes.

      I’d even like it if in the playoffs teams are limited in how many pitching changes they can do per inning.

      • JCubs79

        Not too sure I like the limiting pitching changes per inning as I believe that is an important strategy in baseball. Plus you almost never see a more than 3 pitching changes per inning (SP gets taken out, reliever comes in, match-up reliever comes in). That doesn’t really bother me too much, but I can see where you’re coming from.

        • Edwin

          It’s not so bad in the regular season, because managers are more limited with their bullpen use due to not overtaxing relievers during the regular season.

          But in the playoffs, managers can use less starters, which shifts more potential arms to the bullpen, and with the off days, the manager doesn’t need to worry as much about overtaxing anyone. So they can bring in multiple specialists per inning.

          I get the strategy part, but to me, as a fan, the additional commercial breaks and interuption to the flow of the game makes it harder for me to engage, at least when it’s teams I don’t normally follow.

          • http://fullcount1544.blogspot.com FullCountTommy

            Unless you’re the White Sox. Holy crap was that bullpen usage bad yesterday.

            • Rebuilding

              It was embarrassing. If Renteria would have gotten into that mess I would be calling for his firing today. Just idiotic to be down to a position player in the 14th inning in a DH league

          • Spriggs

            Man, I have been advocating that for years. Changing pitchers during an inning is very disruptive to the flow of the game. I do not mind it if I am actually attending a game in person, since I could stay there all day and love it! But to the TV viewer, it’s a real channel changer, especially late in games with 2 or 3 of those changes from each team. I would propose limiting pitching changes (during an inning) to one per game (with injury exceptions). You can change pitchers every inning if you want, but it has to be to start the inning.

            I know some people will say it takes away from strategy – but it adds new strategy that does not exist now. Managers have to consider when you make a change, that guy will have to finish the inning. And if the starter is nearing a pitch count limit, when do you pull him? It will also eliminate the maddening use of bringing in a loogy (something the Cubs never really have anyway!). It may even produce more offense in addition to improving the flow of the game.

            • Edwin

              I don’t mind it too much when I’m watching the Cubs, but this past playoffs, it was tough to really get into the game with all the pitching changes.

              And to be honest, a little more offense would be a good thing, especially when it comes to the playoffs. It might even make having a solid bullpen even more important, instead of being able to have 2-3 LOOGY and ROOGY specialists.

              • JM

                I would say that the way things are is fine, we just don’t need to take all the extra time that a pitching change currently takes up. If a guy is warming up in the pen, he should be warm. It should be up to the manager/coaches to see that he is. That way he doesn’t need his 8-10 pitches (or however many they are allowed) once he comes in. Three or four should suffice. The speed of a game would “shorten” in a game that has 4 or 5 pitching changes.

                • Edwin

                  That’s be fine. As long as there was no commercial break.

    • Rebuilding

      It seems that every hitter now has two batting gloves, two arm protectors, three sweat bands, an in-step protector and pine tar on their helmet that all have to be unstrapped, rest rapped, adjusted and wiped in between EVERY pitch

      • JCubs79

        Exactly. It drives me nuts. I love Starlin Castro. I think he’s a good player, but dear god he is the definition of this. Every pitch, he has to step out, readjust his gloves, throw more seeds into his mouth, look down at the 3rd base coach, set his bat on the ground and look down, reflect for two second, step one foot into the box, reflect again, step other foot into box, reflect once more, bang plate with bat and then he’s ready to hit. He’s not the only one who does this but the best example I can think of (though if it means he keeps hitting, I’ll allow him to continue doing it haha)

  • Spoda17

    Everyone is being platoon for the most part, so to say Lake has a lot appearances is pretty much irrelevant. He needs starts, not pinch hit.

    I’m pretty sure Theo and Jed did not promote Olt to the MLB team to be platooned with Valbuena. Jesse is right on when he says we know what we have with [insert 2013 player here]… we don’t know what Olt has. It’s not about being good or bad, it’s about having an opportunity, significant sample size, to make a decision.

    If Olt in not the guy in 2015 (or after a realistic fair evaluation this year), I have no problem with that… All I have been saying is to make a decision, you need real data.

    • itzscott

      I totally agree that both Lake and Olt should be planted in CF and 3rd base regardless of the pitcher throwing from his left or right side.

      They both need to develop their game which cannot be done sitting on the bench for stretches.

      The Cubs are losing pretty consistently with Valbuena and Kalish/Bonafonte/etc. It wouldn’t hurt them or matter a bit if they were losing just as consistently with Lake & Olt in the lineup.

  • ced landrum

    I really do think Alcantara makes the show before Baez, because I think his game is more refined then Baez. Not that AA doesn’t have work to do, but he seems to be a little further along.

    • itzscott

      I pointed that out last night that it wouldn’t surprise me if Alcantara gets called up before Baez.

      Alcantara has adjusted to AAA much better at this point than Baez. I think Baez is somewhat one dimensional (huge swing, ball goes far when he connects) whereas Alcantara seems like a much more rounded player that brings more possibilities to different game situations.

      • JCubs79

        I agree with you about Alcantara. He has adjust better so far and I absolutely love his game. He just needs to get that K-rate down. Baez always takes about a month to adjust to a level which is why I’m expecting him to not be up until late June or early July.

        • Chad

          I think the cubs will let it play out a little bit. They need to see if Baez will handle 2B or 3B, will Olt stick, Bryant at 3B or LF? Villanueva super utility? If all that happens it would seem AA would be out of a position, but I could see him taking Emilio’s role next year, super utility that could play CF, 2B, or SS, and probably 3B in a pinch. I think he would be great in that role assuming he can play some OF, but who do you take PAs from, Castro, Baez to give them to AA? It’s a great problem to have and I hope we see AA with the cubs for a long time, and not as trade bait.

    • CubsFaninMS

      Alcantara is a doubles machine. I can see his upside being a Matt Carpenter type, although I’d be totally shocked if he ever posted a season like Carpenter did last year. Alcantara surprisingly may have Carpenter beat slightly on the power scale, though.

      • Spriggs

        Carpenter will always have him on the “magic dust” scale though.

  • CubsFaninMS

    It is nice to see that Bunteria is not QUITE as bunt happy as we have assumed.

  • OCCubFan

    I generally do not like sac bunts for all the reasons you and others have given, and I certainly dislike the simplistic (or nonsensical) arguments often made in favor of sac bunts. However, the situation is not nearly so simple as using a matrix of run expectancies or win probabilities for the various situations. The situation is much more complex.

    In “The Book” by Tom Tango, et al, Chapter 9 (To Sacrifice or Not) goes into excruciating detail about their analysis of various situations. I won’t try to reproduce their 50 pages of analysis here.Let me quote one paragraph from the chapter summary:

    “If you were expecting a nice, tidy set of rules, such as, “It is rarely correct to sacrifice bunt in this day and age,” or, “A bunt is only warranted in the late innings of a close game,” you are probably disappointed. Unfortunately, or fortunately, depending upon your point of view, analyzing the efficacy of the sacrifice bunt in the various situations is so complex and difficult and the results are often so close, that we can offer only a few clear-cut rules of thumb and a myriad of recommendations built on somewhat shaky foundations.”
    –The Book: Playing the Percentages in Baseball, Tom Tango, et al, p287.

    For the specific situation of men on first and second and no outs, The Book says

    “…the batter’s GDP rate (adjusted for the pitcher) should be considered in deciding whether to bunt or not.” — The Book, p282.

    That is, batters who frequently ground into double plays should be more inclined to sacrifice. But the difference is small either way.

    For me, the real determinant is the on-deck and hole hitter. In this particular case, Castillo is a much better hitter than Kalish and Barney. To set things up so that Barney can deliver the big hit is insanity.

    I highly recommend reading Chapter 9 (and others) in The Book to get an idea of the complexities involved in the subject.

  • Jon

    Is this Ricky’s inaugural “under the bus throwing” (w/ Castillo) as Cubs manager :)

  • Funn Dave

    No Cubs game again today? How am I supposed to get the awful taste of yesterday’s ineptitude out of my mouth?

    • Jon

      Watch the Blackhawks beat the shit out of the Blues tonight in St Louis with a stadium full of red.

      • Jon

        Also if you are a Bulls fan, thinks have setup nicely for them with a Wizards team they should beat and then a Pacers team in the second round that has absolutely collapsed. How sweet would it be to stick it to that obnoxious group from Indiana and bounce them out of the playoffs?

        Hopefully both these teams can go on playoff runs till may-june to divert our attention a bit.

        • Funn Dave

          I’ve been boycotting the NBA this year, but I may have to make an exception for the playoffs.

          • JCubs79

            The playoffs is really the only time the NBA is interesting. At least teams are actually trying.

            That’s actually one of the reasons I enjoy watching the Thibs coached Bull’s so much. I don’t think I have ever seen them take a game off or a play off on the defensive end. Guys like Noah, Gibson and Butler give it their all on the defensive side of the ball every play. I can’t say that I’ve ever seen another team in the NBA do that.

            • Funn Dave

              Agreed. That’s my favorite thing about the Bulls the past couple years–they really give it their all. I feel Noah best personifies the Bulls under Thibs: energetic, indefatigable, and always giving maximum effort.

              • JCubs79

                I absolutely love Noah. More then Rose. The guy defines competitor and honestly deserves to have MVP consideration this year (I don’t think he should win it, but he should be in the convo). If I were to build a team, I would want all of my guys to have the make-up of Noah. A fiery competitor that give it his all.

        • http://www.friendly-confines.com hansman

          “…bounce them out of the playoffs?”

          Isn’t that, effectively, impossible in the NBA?

          • mjhurdle

            No, you are confused.

            It is effectively impossible to not make the playoffs in the NBA.

            Once in, you can be eliminated.
            Unless they changed some rules again in another attempt to stay more relevant than the MLS.

            • http://www.friendly-confines.com hansman

              What is MLS?

              Oh…ya…that sport that has 17 fans who, every day for the last 30 years, have been saying it’s the sport of the future in America.

              • Darth Ivy

                More people are in the real estate MLS database than MLS stadiums

              • mjhurdle

                I don’t follow much soccer even though i played it through college, but i would buy tickets if the MLS ever came to STL.
                I do think it is funny that they out draw the NHL and NBA in average attendance per game. Also, their attendance per game is rising faster per year than any other US sport.

                Not saying it will ever be totally mainstream, but it is definitely sustainable.

                • http://www.friendly-confines.com hansman

                  I think it will always be around and will consistenly duke it out with NHL and NBA for popularity but it’s less action packed than hockey without the checking.

                  • http://fullcount1544.blogspot.com FullCountTommy

                    I don’t think soccer has ever or will ever come close the NHL or NBA in the US

                    • mjhurdle

                      I think soccer one day(probably 10 or so years away from even coming close) becomes like the NHL, where there is a small segment of devoted fans, and a ton of casual fans.

                      I think the NBA continues to distance itself from the actual sport of basketball in its attempt to create popularity. It will one day become to basketball what Arena football was/is to actual football.

                    • Rebuilding

                      Well, it’s already more popular than the NHL and not too far behind the NBA. The TV contract NBC doled out for the Premier League is $250 million for 3 years. Not bad for European football

                    • http://fullcount1544.blogspot.com FullCountTommy

                      The MLS is more popular than the NHL?? What the hell are you smoking?

                    • ced landrum

                      It could there are over 3 million kids playing soccer in the US every year where as the NHL has about 500,000. If there were better options of watching soccer on TV in the US the sport would grow even more.

                    • http://fullcount1544.blogspot.com FullCountTommy

                      Also, the NHL currently has a 10 year, 2 BILLION dollar TV deal

                    • Rebuilding

                      I said soccer…not the MLS specifically. You do realize that the NHL is nothing to half of the country right? NBCs deal with the NHL is $200 million per year. Meanwhile, they are paying nearly $100 million per year to broadcast English Premier League games

                    • http://fullcount1544.blogspot.com FullCountTommy

                      So you’re telling me as a whole that the NHL is worth two and half times more to NBC than soccer. Pretty telling right there.

                      Also, this discussion was originally about the MLS

                    • Rebuilding

                      British soccer, Tommy, makes nearly half as much as a league with franchises that go back almost 100 years in the US. A league not even played on US soil. That’s not even counting the Italian and Spanish leagues which have nice deals with Fox. Or the MLS deal with ESPN. The World Cup deal in the US dwarfs the Stanley Cup deal. I know it’s hard for Americans to accept, but the writing is on the wall

                    • http://fullcount1544.blogspot.com FullCountTommy

                      Yes, British, but also the highest quality. Until the MLS is actually able to acquire some premier talent, then soccer will remain 5th in the US. Again, the World Cup is every 4 years, the only sporting event that it can be compared to in ratings is the Olympics.

                    • Rebuilding

                      Oh, and I completely forgot Univision and Telemundo – which make soccer the 2nd most watched sport in the US after football. I didn’t realize it, but amongst 18-49 year olds, on some nights Univision is the highest rated network on television

                    • Rebuilding

                      On Saturday night, airing the second half of Liga Mexicana match “Cruz Azul/Atlas” followed at 9 p.m. by a two hour edition of “Sabado Gigante” (Giant Saturday) helped Univision rank as the #3 broadcast network among Adults 18-49 and #4 among Adults 18-34, out-delivering ABC and FOX in each demographic.

                      What kinds of ratings are those for soccer?

              • Rebuilding

                Rubbish. In places like Portland (21,000), Seattle (38,000), LA (23,000), New York (26,000) MLS is outdrawing baseball (or would in the case of Portland). Hell the Fire average 14,000 which is better than the White Sox. Soccer is growing by leaps and bounds in the US

                • http://www.friendly-confines.com hansman

                  AND WE FOUND ONE OF THE 17!!!!

                • http://fullcount1544.blogspot.com FullCountTommy

                  Soccer draws pretty well, but I’d hate to see the TV ratings. The fanatics are loyal and go to games, but I really don’t think there is such thing as a casual soccer fan in the US

                  • http://www.friendly-confines.com hansman

                    It’s like golf. If you play the sport, you go to any golf tournament in your area.

                    If you don’t play the sport you only turn it on TV for the green grass and the quiet while you are doing something else.

                  • Rebuilding

                    Wait and see the World Cup ratings. And baseball fans really shouldn’t be talking about TV ratings which are abysmal

                    • http://fullcount1544.blogspot.com FullCountTommy

                      That’s like talking about Olympic ratings, it really shows me nothing in terms of the overall health of the sport in the US

                    • Rebuilding

                      I already posted the attendance figures and what a network was willing to pay to show European games in the US. Both of which show a lot of health. When the European teams tour the US they regularly fill up 80,000 seat stadiums. It’s just a matter of time before soccer is bigger than anything except the NFL (especially with the growing Hispanic population here in the US)

                    • http://www.friendly-confines.com hansman

                      Ya it’s totally fair to compare a once-every-four-years event to something that happens about 10,000 times in that same time span.

                    • Rebuilding

                      Assuming there are only 17 fans, according to you, would it matter how often it was on? If you are going to engage in hyperbole then accept some back

            • http://www.friendly-confines.com hansman

              Wait, have the NBA playoffs already started?

        • blublud

          Right, every one want to earn the chance to lose to Miami. Knocking the Bulls out in the conference finals would be much sweater than knocking out the Pacers. I like Paul George and a few of the Pacers. I like no one on the Bulls except maybe Butler.

          • http://fullcount1544.blogspot.com FullCountTommy

            If there is one fan base (and I use that term very loosely) more obnoxious than Cardinal fans, it is without a doubt Miami Heat “fans”

            • blublud

              Im not a fair weather fan. I have family in the Heat org and have since 95, so of course I cheer for them. I’m actually a Timberwolves fan, have been, Ironically, since 95. But no one is beating Miami in the East.

              • http://fullcount1544.blogspot.com FullCountTommy

                Then you’re the only one I’ve ever met. I still maintain that there are no Miami Heat fans, there are only Lebron James fans

                • JCubs79

                  This. I don’t know if you guys have ever watched a Heat game, but fans are literally leaving at the beginning of the 3rd quarter.

              • Jon

                Correct. A fair weather fan can be defined as someone who’s rooting interest in team is directly correlated to the success of the team.

                You fall into the “bandwagoner” category. Just bouncing around yearly to whatever team is “hot” or whoever Lebron James plays for.

                • blublud

                  19 years as my 2nd fav team and I’m only 32, hell of a long time on the bandwagon.

                  • Edwin

                    I liked the heat as my second fav team when they had Glenn Rice, and then later when they had Mourning and Hardaway.

          • Rebuilding

            I don’t see how anyone doesn’t like Joakim Noah. Someone who leaves his heart on the floor every night and actually seems to enjoy playing the game. Not to mention a 7 footer who leads the fast break and puts up lines like 11 points, 14 rebounds and 9 assists quite often

            • Jon

              What Noah is doing is absolutely amazing. How the Thibbs reformed the team after the loss of DRose is just awesome too. Remember they structured their roster planning on him. They almost won 50 games minus 2 of their three best players Rose and Deng. Outside of Pop there simply isn’t a better basketball coach in the NBA.

              Contrast that with Vogel who let the loss of Grainger and the addition of locker room cancer Bynum destroy his team.

              • blublud

                The team is good without Rose, because like Kobe, he a great individual player, but his style of play subtracts from everyone else’s game. The Bulls have lots of talent, not just Rose.

                • http://fullcount1544.blogspot.com FullCountTommy

                  Yes, because a career average of 7 assists per game totally detracts from the team

                • Tommy

                  Blublud – you do realize the last time DRose played a full season, the Bulls had the best record in all of basketball, right?

                  • blublud

                    I didnt say he made the team worse, I said his game subtracts from every one else’s game. When he won MVP, they act like Chicago had no one else. Noah is the 3rd best center in basketball, maybe 4th with Andre Drummond coming along. Has been for a while. Boozer is still a good player. Deng was quietly very good. Asik was a very good big man off the bench. Gibson has always been solid. The Bulls have plenty of talent, and the 2nd best coach in the NBA. Just because I don’t like them, doesnt mean I dont recognize their talent. But those guys just don’t play the same when Rose is on the court.

                    • Edwin

                      Sometimes I wonder if Thibb’s coaching style actually hurts the team more than it helps. He does a great job of getting the most out of every player, but if he keeps grinding his team down to dust during the regular season, it doesn’t leave them with much left in the tank for the post-season.

                      That’s just a casual observation, though. I am completely clueless when it comes to NBA basketball.

                    • blublud

                      I agree. Miami could win 65 games a year. They took it easy this year to prepare for they playoffs. Three straight finals runs can take a toll.

            • blublud

              Noah is an asshole. All that crap he does on the floor, attacking referees, running up in ither guys locker rooms. Hes a decent player, but he’s also a dumb ass.

              • Tommy

                yeah, that’s not hyperbole at all.

                • blublud

                  Its the truth.

              • Funn Dave

                Um, no. He’s actually quite intelligent. That entering-the-opposing-team’s-locker-room was blown way out of proportion and wouldn’t have even been discussed if it weren’t for ESPN.

                • http://fullcount1544.blogspot.com FullCountTommy

                  Ya that locker room incident is more indicative of Kendrick Perkins being a complete asshole

                  • Tommy

                    What the other Tommy said! ^^^^^^^^

              • Rebuilding

                Noah is about the furthest thing from a dumbs as there is in the NBA. Highly, highly intelligent and a flat out winner everywhere he has ever played. That’s just personal bias on your part talking

          • Jon

            Even if they get of the East, the cHeat are going to get destroyed in the west. Old man Wade is basically in a retirement home at this point.

            • blublud

              Right. Have you seen the Heats record against the West. They dominate the West. Look it up.

            • http://www.friendly-confines.com hansman

              Depends…is LeBron going to continue getting stuffed at the net?

  • OlderStyle

    Huh? Castillo did that sac bunt on his own and RR calls him out publicly? Not good. On all accounts.
    Even Joe Shlabotnik would’ve been swinging. maybe.

    • ced landrum

      How did Ricky call him out. Just said he didn’t call for it.

      • OlderStyle

        Not covered for him would’ve been a better choice of words but similar effect. The problem is that Renteria is obviously a big fan of sac bunts. Was Castillo thinking this is what the mgr would want? Did he miss a sign? I don’t know, but RR has already set the tone on this sac bunt thing, he could at least cover for WC. What does it accomplish to not do that? Cover his own rear?

        • CubsFaninMS

          If one of these guys misses a sign, I can see how the best “guess” would be to bunt if a runner was on. Ha

        • Tommy

          These are grown men we’re talking about. I don’t think every situation requires treating them with kid gloves.

          • http://www.friendly-confines.com hansman

            It’s interesting:

            Fans want management to always tell the truth then when they do, management gets lambasted for not protecting the players.

            When they protect the players, management is treating us like children/idiots.

            • Rebuilding

              As someone in politics once said…people like to say they want the truth, but the real truth is they don’t want the truth

  • wtgeorgi

    Looks like Kane County is in Dayton tonight- long drive to take in a game!

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