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pedro strop cubsTo add injury to insult, I got a pretty healthy sunburn at yesterday’s 100th Anniversary Game. That ninth inning, man. I’m still bummed about how it played out, given how well the day had gone until that point. The Cubs did a great job of making the day special for fans, and it’s not like a win was necessary to keep it that way. But a three-run lead in the 9th? Walks, an error, a ball that hits a base, and catchable hits in the outfield? Really? That’s the way it had to go down?

  • Justin Ruggiano, who was hurt trying to catch a blooper in that 9th inning yesterday, had an MRI on his hamstring, and the Cubs won’t know what will happen with him until they see the results. They could make a DL move today, or wait until tomorrow. Ruggiano had to be helped off of the field, so it’s pretty hard to see him not needing some time on the DL. If the Cubs opt to bring up an outfielder to replace Ruggiano (not necessary, given the presence of Emilio Bonifacio), Josh Vitters seems like the most likely option (already on the 40-man, righty bat). Matt Szczur and Brett Jackson are also on the 40-man, and there’s also Chris Coghlan at Iowa, but he would require a 40-man spot. If the Cubs opt for a versatile player, they could go with 28-year-old Chris Valaika, who’s currently raking for Iowa, or maybe Logan Watkins (who is on the 40-man, and is also hitting well).
  • In that fateful 9th inning, which saw Pedro Strop walking guys and James Russell giving up a critical hit after it looked like he’d struck a guy out, I decided to take a peak at the pitch locations for each pitcher in the game using Brooks Baseball’s PitchF/X tool. As I suspected and feared, two of Strop’s “balls” were actually strikes – and not borderline strikes. They were dead smack in the middle of the zone. And, although James Russell didn’t have any balls in the middle of the plate that were called balls, he did have two clear strikes (including a should-have-been strikeout to end the game) that were called balls. I’m not going to say the Cubs got screwed, and I’m not even going to say anything about pitch framing. I’m just going to say, it looks like Strop and Russell performed better than yesterday’s results suggest. And that sucks all the more. [EDIT! So those two obvious strikes for Strop were actually balls that were put in play. The light blue shaded mark and the green mark looked the same to my eyes (am I going slightly color blind? I hope not ... ). It turns out that Strop did have two borderline strikes that were called balls, but none in the dead center of the zone, as I thought. On Russell, it was one clear missed strike, not two.]
  • None of that is to excuse the leadoff walk from Strop (which came on four clearly bad consecutive pitches) or the error from Starlin Castro. In that situation, neither mistake is excusable. You just have to move on, though.
  • In yesterday’s game, by the way, Strop recorded both a “hold” (left the game with the lead intact) and the “loss” (his inherited runners scored, losing the lead). You all can see how stupid that is, right? How stupid those stats are, right? Speaking of stupid pitching stats:

  • You “win” supporters out there: you’ve seen how Samardzija has pitched in his five starts this year, right? And you’ve seen why he doesn’t have a “win”, right? Are you seriously going to tell me that the fact that Samardzija is 0-2 tells us anything about how he’s pitched this year? Hell, can you even argue that his 0-2 record is not grossly, horribly misleading?
  • After his fantastic leadoff performance on Tuesday night, Luis Valbuena may get more shots to leadoff. (Cubs.com)
  • Ryan Dempster discusses his decision to take a year away from the game (or more), and whether he’d consider coming back to play next year. (CSN)
  • jh03

    Brett, I’m working on a project for school that has to deal with the Cubs and the renovation. Do you care if I email you and ask you some questions?

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      Go for it. Just let me know your time line in the email so I can plan accordingly. Brett at bleachernation dot com.

      • jh03

        Thanks, Brett. I’ll be sure to buy another BN shirt for your help :)

  • Fishin Phil

    You would think that after over 40 years as a Cub fan, I would have learned not to expect anything positive from the bullpen. Lead off walks with a three run lead should be grounds for a firing squad.

    On a side note, I saw Lee Smith at the stadium. I begged him to pitch the 9th, but he said no.

    • http://www.frenchrocks.net Ian Afterbirth

      I saw Scottie Pippen and he wouldn’t go in either.

  • Edwin

    They were talking about this on The Score this morning, but should more players have been invited? Not a big deal either way, but now that they mention it, it would have been nice to have someone like Derrek Lee or Mark Prior, or at least someone from teams like the 1998, 2003, or 2007/2008 teams there. I understand why inviting someone like Sosa or Zambrano might not fly with everyone, but still, there were enough other players on those teams, surely a few could have been invited?

    • http://fullcount1544.blogspot.com FullCountTommy

      Dempster was there, but ya would have been nice to see a couple more guys. I know Prior works in a front office now (San Diego I believe?). Obviously guys like Soriano and A-Ram are still playing. Not sure what Lee is up to these days, but I’m really surprised Kerry Wood wasn’t there. Maybe doing some scouting for the draft?

    • Brocktoon

      Maybe the realized that every guy they added without adding Sosa would make it all the more embarrassing. I think in terms of recognition rather than a face for the fans, or have liked to see more ancestors of greats who played back in the day. Truly represent the 100 year history rather than a bunch of guys from go nowhere 60s teams and a couple others

      • esruc

        Yeah I think too many Cubs fans forget guys like Mordecai Brown, Charlie Root, and Gabby Hartnet, and only think about Santo, Banks, Fergie, and Ryno. Maybe that’s because the players themselves and people who watched them play are still alive, but it’s important to remember some of the guys who actually won pennants too. Maybe in 40 years Baez and Almora will be the new Banks and Williams.

        • Brocktoon

          I sure as hell hope they have more team success than those guys did. I’m really sick of celebrating a “dynasty” that never so much as made a postseason.

    • esruc

      I thought it was weird too.When the Red Sox did their 100th birthday, they invited everybody back at once, former stars, fringe players, and controversial former players like Clemens. Kerry Wood lives in Chicago, is a member of the front office and still wasn’t there. It was weird Dempster was the only guy who played for the Cubs after Dawson left in 1992. I imagine they are planning on having more players come back for the decade games.

  • Spoda17

    Actually, that is exactly how I would like to lose. I still can’t say I “want” the Cubs to lose, but if we do, that is the way. Played very well, key guys did key things, but they lost mainly because of bad luck or goofyness… for the most part. I;’m not concerned about Strop or Russel.

  • NorthSideIrish

    Jeff Passan ‏@JeffPassan 4m
    Baseball’s smartest spenders over last five years: Cards, Rays, SF, Texas, A’s. Dumbest: Cubs, Mets, CWS, LAA, M’s. http://buswk.co/1fu0LqI

    Dead last. We’re #122! We’re #122!

    • itzscott

      Not surprising….

      Since it’s the Cubs, you can turn just about any ranking that includes the Cubs upside down to feel good.

    • JulioZuleta

      What a hilarious/useless list. I would be curious to see what “best” means. Best spenders to win? That’s pretty useless–you might as well just rank “Winningest Organizations” rather than “best spenders.” I know “best” doesn’t mean “most profitable” on that list, because the Blackhawks would be nowhere near the top and Cubs would be nowhere near the bottom.

      I’m just about as big of a Blackhawks fan as a Cubs fan, so I think I can be fairly impartial on the list (if I understood it). That said, I cannot imagine what the Hawks have done spending wise in the last 5 years that would make them the best. First–it’s a hard cap sport, with pretty much every team within a million or two of the cap, it’s not like they were outspending teams. Next-it’s hard to give too much credit to extending players that were already with the organization. I mean, it’s not like they went out and got Kane/Toews/Keith/Seabrook/Sharp in the last 5 years. Just less than 5 years ago they signed Marian Hossa to a deal a lot of people would tell you was rather expensive. They also extended Crawford and Bickell to pretty terrible deals.

      I digress…worthless list.

      • Brocktoon

        You can’t imagine how the hawks spent to put them at the top of the list? You said it yourself in your comment. They’re participating in a hard cap sport and through their wise spending have managed to

        A. Get over the hump and win a cup,
        B. deal with the inevitable unwinding of the team as required by the cap
        C. Rebuild the team and win another freakin cup.

        • http://fullcount1544.blogspot.com FullCountTommy

          I think he’s just trying to say that in a hard cap sport, there’s really no need to say that one team spent smarter than another since every team is spending a similar amount. You can simply look at results and determine that, payroll is not needed.

          • Brocktoon

            But he goes on to discount extensions, ignoring the fact that they had to pick who to extend and who to let walk. Or trade away In order to afford said extensions

            • JulioZuleta

              It’s not hard to decide to extend Toews and Kane and Keith and Seabrook. I’m not saying that they haven’t spent well. They certainly have. And as I said, I’m a huge Hawks fan. I’m just saying I don’t think that spending to keep talent that was already on the roster (within the last 5 years), and being in a sport where all teams spend the same amount, is enough to put you at the top of the list. Top 15-25% of the list? Sure, why not. Number one? Maybe, but I don’t really see how to justify that over small market baseball teams that have managed to compete.

              My point is, the list is pretty worthless and arbitrary.

            • JulioZuleta

              Not to mention, some of the guys they “let walk away” turned out to be pretty darn good players, and as I listed, a few of the extensions haven’t been great. Again, they’ve been very good, just hard to justify why they are number 1.

              • http://fullcount1544.blogspot.com FullCountTommy

                Sure guys like Ladd, Buff, and Brouwer are solid NHL players, but they had no chance of keeping these guys at the time, they did what they had to. I still don’t understand all the hate against Corey Crawford, the guy has been an above average to very good goaltender for 3 of his 4 seasons and has won a Stanley Cup. It is time to get off the guys back.

                • JulioZuleta

                  Oh man, I won’t turn this into a hockey thread, but I just think he’s the most maddening player around. Just look at last night. Several highlight reel saves…and 2 (arguably 3) very soft goals. He’s an average goalie to me. A lot of his success has to do with the defense that’s in front of him. They made Niemi and Emery look like absolute studs.

                  Again, I’m not knocking the Hawks, I love them (and a close friend is actually very (VERY) much involved in the spending/overall running of the team), my point was just that the list, as it related to the Cubs being ranked last, seems worthless. I think most people would argue that the last 5 years of Cubs “spending” has been better than the preceding 5 years, at least in terms of avoiding awful contracts.

                  • Brocktoon

                    Under no definition was the cubs spending from 2009-2013 smarter than the cubs spending from 2004-2008

                    • JulioZuleta

                      False. It depends how you depend “smarter.” If you’re interested in fielding a mildly competitive team by overpaying for post-prime players while mortgaging the future by not investing in player development, than sure, 2004-2008 was “smart.” If you’re interested in investing in the future, but not as much in the present, and letting the current product suffer while keeping costs down, than 2009-2013 was certainly smarter. Not to mention…new facilities in AZ, DR… The list was, as I understood it, not supposed to be based strictly on W and L. Since it was a business organization that posted it, I thought they had some eye towards profit and longevity.

                    • Brocktoon

                      I don’t even know how to respond to this. It’s Stockholm syndrome lunacy

                    • JulioZuleta

                      Not really, it’s just two perspectives. I understand why you think 2004-2009 was better. I could give you 100 examples why you’re right and 100 examples why you’re wrong. It’s basically a comparison between overspending and underspending. From a business perspective, I’m sure you can understand why it is smarter to spend less…

                    • JulioZuleta

                      But to say “under no definition” is ridiculous. We have heard things like “the Cubs are one of the 5 most profitable MLB teams” in each of the last 2 seasons. If you don’t see how a business that is one of the most profitable in its industry is spending smartly (under at least one definition), then I presume you don’t know a whole lot about business.

                  • http://fullcount1544.blogspot.com FullCountTommy

                    Man you’re brutal haha. You can point out a couple of soft goals yesterday, but you also have to acknowledge he single-handedly won them game 3.

                    • JulioZuleta

                      He’s always been that way, that’s why I say he’s the most maddening athlete around for me. He can be the best and worst player on the team, depending on what game/period/possession it is. He can singlehandedly win or lose you games. They won Game 3 because of him, they won Game 4 in spite of him. It’s been that way for a while.

    • DarthHater

      Well, that list is based on number of wins — obviously an irrelevant criterion! :-P

      • CubChymyst

        Its wins vs payroll and they said normalized it for each league. If you look at just the MLB the yankees are 4th least efficient team.

        • CubChymyst

          That is only if less the value of the championship. But they are still towards the bottom if you leave the scroll bar where it is initially.

      • CubChymyst

        Actually if you decrease the value of a playoff win to 0 and the value of championships to 200, cause the only thing that matters is a world series victory. The cubs are not the worst in baseball, its the Phillies.

    • cubfanincardinalland

      Any team that just gave johny Peralta 53 million bucks should automatically be disqualified from being #1.

  • itzscott

    I’m a “win” supporter convert now.

    Other than maybe ERA, what single stat would indicate how well/poorly a starter did which also accounts for the 5 innings minimum needed for a win?

    • Brocktoon

      Quality starts is quick n dirty, counts for any start where pitcher goes at least 6 and gives up 3 runs or less

      • http://fullcount1544.blogspot.com FullCountTommy

        I much prefer the QS+ to the QS (7 IP, 2 ER or less). While QS is ok I guess, if a pitcher threw exactly a quality start every time it would result in a 4.50 ERA, not very impressive.

        • Head and Heart

          The QS+ should be renamed the Greinke.

        • ClevelandCubsFan

          Not impressive. But steady. Reliable. And how likely is it that a pitcher is that borderline for any length of time?

          Some interesting research on QS here: http://207.56.97.150/articles/qstart.htm

          • http://fullcount1544.blogspot.com FullCountTommy

            That study is 22 years old, very different game now

        • Brocktoon

          But nobody throws 6 innings/ 3 runs in every QS. The era in QS is somewhere below 2 IIRC.

          • http://fullcount1544.blogspot.com FullCountTommy

            That is right, but the team win % in games where the starter has a QS is still only in the 65-70% range, so it still flawed.

            • itzscott

              Okay, so I guess there really is none.

              Thinking maybe ERA + Avg innings per start would produce a number that might be more telling than QS in gauging the effectiveness of a starting pitcher while allowing apples to apples rankings among starters.

              • http://fullcount1544.blogspot.com FullCountTommy

                Don’t get me wrong, QS is definitely more useful than wins, so using it is a step in the right direction.

    • Karl Groucho

      Out of curiosity, what interests you about the 5IP needed for a win? If I’m interested in putting a stat in context, I normally just glance at IP or PA (for hitters) to see over how many chances a given stat has been sustained. (Fangraphs puts some of the noise stats in its standard box, too, so you can see BABIP or BABIP against, LOB%, etc. without even having to leave the page, so you can better contextualize the numbers.)

      • itzscott

        The way I see it is that any pitcher that’s designated as a starter needs to:

        1) Be the pitcher of record throwing the 1st pitch in the 1st inning

        2) Be able to pitch at least half way through a standard 9 inning game.

        Even though it may be Old School….. 5 innings still works for me.

  • CubFan Paul

    “I’m not going to say the Cubs got screwed, and I’m not even going to say anything about pitch framing”

    You should. It’s gotten to the point to where it can’t be ignored (technology), especially for the Cubs.

    • http://www.teamfums.org MichiganGoat

      Agreed

    • cubfanincardinalland

      Castillo will probably be given negative grades by the pitch framing junkies for those pitches. And he framed them perfectly. It was a great example showing the multiple factors that go into why balls and strikes are called. Its junk science, not math.

      • http://fullcount1544.blogspot.com FullCountTommy

        Ahhh, the I don’t understand so it’s junk science argument.

  • http://kempfintl.com pfk

    If one were to go back and look at all the pitches in the game for both teams we would see the same thing – pitches that were strikes called balls and vice versa. Going back and doing that and somehow thinking we got screwed or that they didn’t pitch that badly because if those had been called strikes….blah, blah, blah…makes no sense whatsoever. In baseball, things even out and good players and pitchers always come out OK.

    • Funn Dave

      Actually, things don’t even out, which is why we’re seeing the same catchers/pitchers get shafted year after year.

      • http://kempfintl.com pfk

        Exactly my point. For the good players it always evens out. Funny how it never does for the bad ones. I guess they just keep getting selectively shafted year in and year out.

  • crute8

    Am I missing something on Strop’s Pitch FX data? I’m not seeing those two pitches in the middle of the strike zone that were called balls. I see one green (Ball) dot on the lower right corner, and that appears to be the only pitch of his that you could argue was called incorrectly.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      I’m not sure where you’re looking, but click on the link in the Strop discussion, and scroll down to his pitches. There are two green “balls” smack-dab in the middle of the zone.

      • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

        Oh, crap. It looks like I’m the one missing something – the color shading got me. I think maybe those aren’t green. Those are the ones that were put in play. Damn you colors-that-are-too-close-together-on-the-color-wheel!

        • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

          A color blind mode for PitchFX data would make me very happy.

          If there is one already, I haven’t used it yet.

        • crute8

          You had me thinking I was going insane. I delayed going to workout yesterday to watch the 9th inning, and I didn’t remember screaming at the umpire. hahaha

          • johnnyp

            Ya. I watched it live. Strop couldn’t hit the strike zone. When he did, he got hit hard. He was bad. Umpires were fine. There was one low and away pitch I remember that was borderline but went to the batter.

  • crute8

    I also don’t see what you see on the Pitch FX data in regards to Russell being robbed of a strikeout. The third pitch of the AB (when the count was 1-1) appears to be a strike (green dot at top of zone), and he didn’t get the call. On the 2-1 pitch, a ball that was clearly not a strike, was called a strike.

  • CubFanBob

    My notes from the game

    - Saw a dude wearing a dark blue long sleeve bleacher nation shirt enter in at gate D ( Sheffield and Addison)

    - First time and a long time I’ve had to wait to get into the park at the gates opening. I was even the last person on a very packed bus of Cub fans all the way back at Pulaski.

    – The Federal’s jersey is the best promotional item Ive ever received.

    - The bleachers were looking crazy from my seats. There was a ball in the basket over the bushes some dude in left field was trying to get using his jacket as a rope to tether it over to him. Left field chanting a happy birthday song out well before we all sung it in the 5th. Lots of left field sucks / right field sucks chants. Left field came on strong with the sucks chants but right field won in the end with the shirtless dude in the right field corner spraying a beer mist eight feet long out of his mouth towards left field and a women taking off her shirt mocking left field as well.

    - 9th inning, well it just wasnt meant to be. You could tell the ump’s strike zone shrunk. There were some really pissed off Cub fans leaving the park. I told my brother in law the Cubs should have a new closer rule that if you walk the lead off man you get pulled immediately. .

  • http://www.ExchangeMadeSimple.com Tadd Gleason

    I feel terrible about your sunburn Brett. It was freezing cold in section 206 where my 4 year son and I sat. It was our first father son Cubs game. Can’t beat fun at the ol’ ballpark.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      It’s crazy that half the park can get a sunburn while the other half shivers in their jackets!

      Hopefully it was still a good time for you and the boy.

      • http://fullcount1544.blogspot.com FullCountTommy

        Agreed I froze my ass off, no sympathy from me!! Tried briefly to find you in Captain Morgan, but the whole area was a madhouse, can’t remember the last time I saw it like that!

      • Fishin Phil

        I managed to do both!

      • http://www.ExchangeMadeSimple.com Tadd Gleason

        It was awesome for all the obvious reasons. I got tickets last minute to take him and thought very hard about getting bleacher tickets so I could seek out BN’ers but did not because of potential antics not appropriate for a 4 year old. Based on CubFanBob’s observations, I probably made the right choice :) I’ll catch up with y’all next time!

  • Truely Blue

    Tough loss! I blame RR for poor choices in the 9th. Where was the defensive replacement in right field? (What is the bench coach doing?) Why leave Strop in after walking 2 out of 3 batters? Why use Russell in such a high stress situation when he has show nothing in the last 20 relief appearances.
    I have a new theory as to why the Cubs have been mostly bad for a 100 years. I read this last week that the “Field” is built on the grounds of an old seminary. Is it possible that there was a cemetery there and the ghosts of those folks are unhappy about their situation and haunting the team?????

  • ssckelley

    I remember commenting how fortunate we were that Strop got a SO on a hitter (swinging) or Castillo would have gotten blamed for bad pitch framing. Strop throws a breaking pitch just like Samardzija where the ball dives after it crosses the plate. With runners on base and less than 2 outs I cannot see how it is possible for a catcher to frame those pitches without risking a chance of the ball hitting the dirt and being a passed ball. I am not sure which pitches got called balls that were strikes but I am guessing they were those breaking pitches. Like I have said I know Castillo is bad at pitch framing, the pitches side to side or at the top of the strike zone there is no excuses hold the damn glove still. But the pitches at the bottom of the strikezone, again, I think it depends on the game situation to even attempt rolling the glove over to frame it. By the time the ball gets to the catcher it is no longer in the strikezone.

    This is why baseball needs to automate the strikezone. The pitchers that using breaking pitches at the bottom of the strikezone are getting screwed and it should not be up to the catcher to have to frame that pitch in order to get the call and I cannot put 100% blame on the umpire because they have a bad angle on it.

    • Funn Dave

      Baseball has been fine without automated strike zones for over a century. Now that the Cubs have a bad pitch framer, it’s time for change? :P

      • ssckelley

        A century ago this technology did not exist, now it does so use it. No, I don’t care if the Cubs acquire Molina the balls and strike calls should not be up to the catcher. There is so much going on behind the plate that the home plate umpire will not go away.

        • cubmig

          No strike zone automation. The human element (as much inaccuracy its imperfection assures) is important to the fan-player-game dynamics. Technology must be limited to maintain what we can cheer, boo for, or bitch about. Automate and you devastate a basic psychological need.

          • ssckelley

            Not sure if you were trying to be funny or not but I did laugh. Us humans will always find something to bitch about. :D

            • cubmig

              True: “…we will always find something to bitch about.” But it’s always about balance so the finding something to bitch about in the strike-ball calling is still around. Plus, as Cubs fans, there’s something about the venting that fulfills the loyalty bug up our collective ass. It’s all about balance. (cue more laughter).

  • KHRSS

    “You “win” supporters out there”
    Who still thinks wins determine how good a pitcher is, especially looking at just one season?

    I am sure Shark cares about wins and losses more than any “win supporter”.

    • http://fullcount1544.blogspot.com FullCountTommy

      Yes, I’m sure he does, TEAM wins. If he cares about his own wins/losses, then he should let the Cubs pay him based on his won/loss record.

      • Brocktoon

        Huh? That doesn’t make any sense. His W-L record is bad because the team is so terrible. That would be his issue

        • http://fullcount1544.blogspot.com FullCountTommy

          How does it not make sense? I’m saying he cares a lot more about the teams wins and losses than his own personal wins and losses. I’m sure he would be perfectly happy pitching like he is now and being 0-32 if the team ending up being 130-32 and winning the World Series.

          • Brocktoon

            I’m sure he’d be happy but he’d realize there is still an unfair stigma around a guy with a bad W-L record as archaic as it may be

            • http://fullcount1544.blogspot.com FullCountTommy

              But he’d realize it with a giant ring on his finger. If he truly only cares about winning like he said, this would be all that matters.

              • Brocktoon

                Are you going to call him a liar if he signs with any team besides the best team in baseball when he hits FA. You can care about winning and your future at the same time

                • http://fullcount1544.blogspot.com FullCountTommy

                  Yep you caught me, unless he signs with the previous World Series champion, he’s a dirty rotten no good liar

          • Brocktoon

            My point is samardZija getting paid by his personal w-l record would piss him off something awful since it’s his teammates who are causing him to be 0-2

  • ssckelley

    So the Cubs decide to bring up an extra pitcher in place of Ruggiano.

    • jp3

      Russcup had a few RBI not too many games ago

  • CubsFaninMS

    “Cubs recall LHP Zac Rosscup and RHP Neil Ramirez from Triple-A, put OF Justin Ruggiano on 15-day DL and option RHP Blake Parker to Iowa.”

    Good moves, our bullpen clearly needs re-inforcements (errr… replacements).

  • CubFan Paul

    “am I going slightly color blind?”

    You could be in one one eye and never notice. I was in my early twenties when an eye doctor randomly noticed/diagnosed me with it.

    • DarthHater

      From now on, all my insulting memes will be in green and yellow… ;-)

      • CubFan Paul

        I actually forget which color deficiency I have, because I’ve never noticed it …the brain is remarkable

  • Rebuilding

    You’ve got to understand, Brett. Those who like “wins” and “batting average” think that numbers are ruining the game and the chance to substantiate belief with gut feel. Forgetting of course that those are numbers, as well, just less exact ones

  • CubChymyst

    A cool map of where fans of each team are located according to facebook preferences.

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/04/23/upshot/24-upshot-baseball.html?hp&_r=0

    • DarthHater

      Where the hell are the White Sox fans???!!!??? :-D

      • CubChymyst

        They are that grey area in the south side of the city. I think the only teams that did not show up are the Mets and Athletics.

        • CubChymyst

          Nevermind there is a pocket of Mets fans. Still looking for the Athletics.

          • Brocktoon

            Assuming it’s the same map I saw linked in the past I believe there’s a note on the bottom or left and side noting the teams with no representation. I think there were 2 or 3 teams

            • CubChymyst

              It looks like it was published earlier today. So it is an updated map.

          • CubChymyst

            wrong on the Mets, the smaller graph excluded the yankees and was just comparing Mets and Phillies. Apparently there is no zip code in which the Athletics or Mets fans make up the majority of fans in the area.

        • DarthHater

          Oh. I thought that gray spot was a speck of dirt on my monitor. :-P

      • ssckelley

        If the Cubs were to win a World Series I think they would take over Chicago much like the Yankees own New York.

    • ssckelley

      Friggin Yankees are every where according to that map.

      • http://www.friendly-confines.com hansman

        I really wish they would have used more colors.

        It’s tough to separate the Cubs/Royals/Twins in the middle of the country.

  • DarthHater

    I wonder if Lee Smith was still in the ballpark in the 9th inning yesterday …

  • http://www.draftday.com udbrky

    I’m not sure if I’m 100% a “win supporter” but the better you pitch as a starter, the better position you put your team in to win. I think the stat needs to stay, but shouldn’t be the be-all, end-all stat used to evaluate pitchers.

    • Brocktoon

      The point is it’s not a level playing field. Chris Tillman just got a win yesterday while giving up 6 runs over 5 innings. Samardzija has 0 wins despite going 7 innings with 2 runs or less in all 5 starts. Who put their team in a better position to win?

    • http://www.friendly-confines.com hansman

      ERA does a MUCH better job (even if it is flawed) to letting you know who puts their team in a position to succeed. Hell, QS is better than Wins and that is a pretty awful stat.

      Just stop looking at W/L altogether.

  • http://www.draftday.com udbrky

    Well obviously, but that’s results oriented thinking.

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