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sad pandaNBA Commissioner Adam Silver did the right thing in banning Clippers owner Donald Sterling for life (and essentially forcing a sale of the team) for Sterling’s recently released (but privately expressed) racist thoughts. Even if you were just talking about the optics, it had to happen. There’s something that feels a little off about a guy getting punished for his private beliefs, but, at the same time, I have zero problem a racist idiot getting his comeuppance. It seems like there are deeper issues at play here, and Bomani Jones did a good job underscoring the issues, tying it back to Chicago violence, incidentally. Racism remains a really complicated pooling of economics, history, and human nature, and the context of sports – and the money involved – only highlights problems that remain in this country, even in 2014. Rather than feel justice after yesterday’s announcement, I just kind of feel depressed about the whole situation. It sucks that this is still a thing we have to deal with, but it is.

  • It’s official: with just one game left in April, with a loss last night, and with a rainout that won’t be played today, the Cubs will go the entire first month of the season without winning a series. As a statistical matter, that’s something of a surprise, even if it is not a completely inappropriate reflection of the talent on the roster. What’s interesting is that, despite not winning a series, the Cubs managed not to be swept in any three-game set this month. In that way, an 8-17 record coming into the final game of the month is about as good as you could hope for if you knew your team wasn’t going to win any series. Not that that comforts anyone.
  • Jake Arrieta is now set to make his debut on Saturday against the Cardinals. Travis Wood will pitch on Friday, and Jason Hammel will slide back to Sunday, giving him a full week between starts.
  • Ricky Renteria got the boot last night in the 6th inning for arguing balls and strikes, and it sounded like it was the culmination of some frustration with the zone all night to that point. (Tribune) For what it’s worth, reviewing the PitchF/X data after the game … I don’t really see much of a beef here. There were a couple borderline strikes that Samardzija didn’t get, but Alfredo Simon wasn’t getting them either. The zone looked pretty fair for Zac Rosscup, who was pitching when Renteria was tossed.
  • In that same Tribune piece, Ryan Kalish explains his horrible route on that Zack Cozart triple that wound up being the difference in the game. The short version? He started out going for the catch, realized he couldn’t get there, tried to break off his route, and it was a little difficult in the wet conditions. The ball skips past him, and that’s that.
  • Jorge Soler played again yesterday in extended Spring Training (TCR). Although he was still DH’ing, he batted third in each of the first five innings to get him extra at bats. That’s a good sign.
  • David DeJesus speaks with Patrick Mooney about his time with the Cubs, about being a leader, and about the state of the Cubs’ youth movement. He was a good dude to have on the team.
  • A profile on Shawon Dunston, Jr., who’s off to a rough start at Kane County.
  • Dan Szymborski writes about what he’s learned from his work developing the ZiPS projection system.
  • EQ76

    Completely agree with the Sterling decision, dude is an idiot and needed to be out of the league.. but why is nobody saying anything about Jay-Z and his five percent nation medallion? that’s just as bad and just as racist to me.. and he’s a part NBA franchise owner.

    • Javier Bryant

      Jay-Z is no longer a part owner, Jason Kidd is. Jay-Z had to sell it when he became an “agent”

      • Cubbie in NC

        I am not sure why it took the NBA so long to get rid of Sterling. I think the lawsuits he lost should have taken care of it years ago.

        Would have liked to see other media outlets spend 10% of the time discussing the medallion as they did Sterling.

        Racism only ok for agents? Maybe he is on the Sterling 10 year plan, but seems like a double standard.

        • TK

          You cant just get rid of him for any old reason. What did he do directly relative to the NBA (in the past) that they could’ve legitimately taken action for, feeling confident that the desired punishment could actually be achieved? If they just punished every racist/jerk/thug/rapist/etc.., there would be no NBA, or NFL.

      • jp3

        Jason Kidd is an owner? I didn’t think he owned the team while coaching?

    • CubFan Paul

      “that’s just as bad and just as racist to me”

      The Nation of Gods and Earths isn’t a racist religion. Just different than yours.

      • Cubbie in NC

        Some of the things I have read about the Nation the jury may still be out on that one.

      • itzscott

        Best comment I’ve read so far…..

        “Old white guy making racist comments? Where’s the story there??”

      • scorecardpaul

        According to scholars, including Michael Muhammad Knight who has authored two books The Five Percenters and Why I Am a Five Percenteron the Five-Percent Nation is founded and rooted within racist ideology as Knight also explained in an essay for Vice, “The first lesson I learned from the Five Percent was simple: Fuck white people. Seriously, ‘White people are devils.’”[25] He was quoted in the post as saying, “Whiteness is weak and wicked and inferior — basically just an errant child who needs to be corrected.”

    • TK

      My question is when will the NBA begin banishing all the racist players within it? You take a voice recorder into any NBA locker room and, by the same values, the NBA would have to decimate itself, because at least 2/3 of its players are racist and/or frequently and fervently express themselves very similarly.

      I’m all for a friendly, non-hateful environment for all. I have a problem with hypocrisy and warped visions of reality. I think they went way overboard. I want to see players get banned for life now, too.

      • Diehardthefirst

        Better question is why aren’t 10% of seats designated free for kids under 15? Racism comes in many disguises like tkt prices

        • Brocktoon

          WTF?

        • http://www.teamfums.org MichiganGoat

          Oh die hard you make me smile. I think 10% is a bit much but I would be against all sport franchising being required to have seats available for charities at every game as a requirement to ownership.

          • Diehardthefirst

            Wouldn’t

  • jp3

    I listened to The dan le Batard show a couple days ago and Bomani was a guest host and he has been on the sterling mess going back almost a decade. Dan said something interesting which unfortunately he’s probably right…Sterling has been in court for one reason or another for a long time and in all probability he’ll probably die the owner of the clippers. Sad but probably right.

    • Medicos

      The litigious Donald Sterling was born in Chicago 80-yrs ago. Real name was Don Tokowitz. My aunt had a travel agency in the LA area and she booked some of Sterling’s trips She told me that Sterling wasn’t a very cordial person in her dealings with him either. Thank goodness the NBA is finished with Donald Sterling Although you can bet that Sterling will certainly being taking his case to court very soon. The sad thing is that his views concerning minorities is still shared by numerous people in our country

      • CubsFaninMS

        I agree, but it looks like the new generations share a much more balanced perspective. I’m in the deep south and the difference is striking between what grandpa thinks and what grandson thinks regarding race. Regarding Donald Sterling, I agree that the correct action was taken on him. People who are racist like this are generally low-quality human beings already, although not always. His views are becoming increasingly scarce.

      • TK

        You should note that racism is still prevalent in ALL ethnicities. Its not even close to just white folks hating on everyone. In fact, minorities, in their views/beliefs, are probably more racist than white people these days.

        • Brocktoon

          I hope that someday us white people can stop being oppressed.

          • CubsFaninMS

            I hope that someday you are able to move past “black and white”, which you are clearly not able to at the moment. Until everyone does, racism will always still be alive. Your race should not be a crutch or advantage. People should be accepting of their physical differences and move on with it.

            • Brocktoon

              As usual, Louis CK has the answer:

              “Sorry I’m being so negative. I’m a bummer. I don’t know–I shouldn’t be. I’m a very, you know, lucky guy. I’ve got a lot going for me: I’m healthy, I’m relatively young, I’m white…which, thank God for that shit, boy. That is a huge leg up. Are you kidding me? Oh, God, I love being white. I really do. Seriously, if you’re not white, you’re missing out. Because this shit is thoroughly good. Let me be clear, by the way. I’m not saying that white people are better. I’m saying that being white is clearly better. Who could even argue? If it was an option, I would re-up every year.

              “Oh, yeah, I’ll take ‘white’ again, absolutely. I’ve been enjoying that. I’m gonna stick with white, thank you.”

              Here’s how great it is to be white: I can get in a time machine and go to any time, and it would be fucking awesome when I get there! That is exclusively a white privilege. Black people can’t fuck with time machines! A black guy in a time machine’s like, “Hey, anything before 1980, no thank you. I don’t want to go.”

              But I can go to any time! The year 2. I don’t even know what’s happening then, but I know when I get there…

              “Welcome, we have a table right here for you, sir.”

              “Thank you. Oh, it’s lovely here in the year 2.”

              I can go to any time–in the past. I don’t want to go to the future and find out what happens to white people because we’re gonna pay hard for this shit, you got to know that. We’re not going to just fall from number one to two. They’re gonna hold us down and fuck us in the ass forever. And we totally deserve it. But for now, wheeeeeeee!

              Now, if you’re white and you don’t admit that it’s great, you’re an asshole. It is great. And I’m a man. How many advantages could one person have? I’m a white man. You can’t even hurt my feelings! What can you really call a white man that really digs deep?

              “Hey, cracker.”

              “Uh. Ruined my day. Boy shouldn’t have called me a cracker. Bringing me back to owning land and people, what a drag.”

        • Aaron

          For real, TK?

        • DarthHater

          Racism is a time-honored tradition. I don’t think we should be tampering with it too lightly. Who knows what the consequences might be? :-P

  • Jon

    After these Sterling events I’ve come to the conclusion that many people need a Civics lesson

    • roz

      #freedomofspeech #NBAthoughtpolice #Idontunderstandtheconstitution

      • miggy80

        [img]http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/free_speech.png[/img]

    • http://fullcount1544.blogspot.com FullCountTommy

      We really need to go back and teach people what freedom of speech is because I am floored at how many people simply do not understand it.

      • cking6178

        Miggy, great cartoon…FullCount – agree 100%…so many people are ignorant to the concept of freedom of speech…

  • CubFan Paul

    “reviewing the PitchF/X data after the game … I don’t really see much of a beef here”

    The zone was ‘wide’ on the sides for the Reds’ pitchers (framing) and smaller for the Cubs (Castillo).

    • Cubbie in NC

      Watching Castillo not get calls is starting to become distracting. I am not sure if I am paranoid, or he is really not improving in that area.

      • CubFan Paul

        “I am not sure if I am paranoid, or he is really not improving in that area”

        That’s what I said, this time last year.

      • mjhurdle

        if i reviewed the charts correctly, last night he got Shark more balls called strikes (4) then Simon (2). he had no obvious strikes called balls and one strike right on the line called a ball. Simon had 2 obvious strikes called balls and 2 on the line called balls.

        So it seems like you could argue that Castillo did a better job than his Reds opponent at framing, at least for the starters last night

        • http://fullcount1544.blogspot.com FullCountTommy

          But mjhurdle, how can that be true?? I thought every time the Cubs lose, it’s because of Castillo’s pitch framing??

          • mjhurdle

            Well, I am sure somehow his pitch framing caused Shark to give up a HR to Campana 2.0 last night, so all the ‘Pitch called ball? Must be Castillo’s fault’ can hang onto that somehow.

  • nate1m

    Does anyone know if the NBA is taxed as one business or 30 individual businesses? I’ve been wondering how they can get rid of an owner and legally I’m thinking they can’t. I think MLB was able to force Marge Schott to sell. I think they’re are other issues and he will be the owner if he fights it in court. Fans need to boycott games and products that support the Clippers so he sells the team due to public pressure. With revenue sharing would that even work? I’d like to see him gone but I’m not sure how to make it happen. Anyone have an informed idea?

    • Edwin

      I’d asssume both. Each team would be taxed on it’s own income, and the NBA would be taxed on any direct income that they recieve as well, although I don’t know how they’re set up.

      • nate1m

        I know that’s not how it works in the NFL which is why I ask.

    • Cubbie in NC

      The rules surrounding owners are sealed and not open to the public. But I believe that there are things in the NBA charter that allow for removal or penalties to owners or teams that hurt the brand. I have heard fines, removing draft picks as possible options. If his actions lower the value of the NBA (which they already have) I think those can be cited as reasons for the actions. If there is a legal way to fight it knowing Sterlings past he will use them all.

      • http://fullcount1544.blogspot.com FullCountTommy

        Check Deadspin, the “secret” NBA constitution has been made public

    • http://www.friendly-confines.com hansman

      They could, in theory, threaten to take away his team’s ability to play in the league but I would think that would be the nuclear option.

    • jrayn

      I think you have to have a very good understanding of the NBA’s constitution before being confident enough to say what is and isn’t possible. Which I do not possess, but here is what I have heard/read:

      From what I’ve read, the constitution allows for unprecedented actions, including the removal of an owner, with a 3/4 vote by all of the owners. In which case, I’m sure using MLB’s fairly recent handling of the Dodgers ownership would serve as a model going forward. How any of that holds up in a civil suit I cannot answer. Brett would have more to offer. Word is it’ll likely go to arbitration than end up in court.

    • CubsFaninMS

      In my opinion, this should not be an issue government is involved with. A crime was not committed. If people disagree with Mr. Sterling’s views (hopefully all of us do), they’ll simply choose not to “purchase his product” and he will be forced to sell or lose his culo on a significant investment. People shouldn’t depend on government to take care of problems like this and should have the self-control and fortitude to not put their money in places where they feel a moral stand needs to be taken. But hey, I’m just a Mississippi libertarian.

      • TWC

        “this should not be an issue government is involved with”

        Who said it is?

      • Edwin

        What if choice doesn’t always reveal preferance?

        • CubsFaninMS

          Well, from an economics standpoint, that would mean that choices are limited. No one is forced to purchase anything related to the Clippers. If someone can’t control the urge NOT to purchase something to add to the pocketbooks of Mr. Sterling, perhaps they should reassess their conscience if they believe his racist views are wrong (again, which they should).

      • Brocktoon

        You’re the first person to mention government actions in this or any thread I’ve read about Sterling.

        • CubsFaninMS

          When you mention taxes, you are mentioning government.

          • Edwin

            I missed where taxes were brought up.

            • CubsFaninMS

              “Does anyone know if the NBA is taxed as one business or 30 individual businesses?”

              Did you read the entire thread?

              • Brocktoon

                Did you read the post you’re referring to? It has nothing to do with the government inserting itself into the situation.

                • CubsFaninMS

                  I did. Nate’s comment was a little ambivalent but I can see where his first few sentences can either be read as “can the government do something about this?” or “Can the league do something about this?”. The league and those participating in it should be bound by a code of ethics and I would certainly think his comments would violate that code of ethics. If Nate’s comments are that the league should take action (which they already have), I agree with that. He is a reputational risk to the NBA now and, obviously, his ethics should be in question. If he believes government should be involved, then I disagree.

                  • TWC

                    “Nate’s comment was a little ambivalent…”

                    Only if you didn’t comprehend it.

                    “If he believes government should be involved…”

                    He doesn’t. That’s obvious to everyone but you, it seems.

                    “But hey, I’m just a Mississippi libertarian.”

                    Yeah, apparently one for whom even phantom mentions of “the gubmint” are worth unfurling your well-worn “Don’t Tread On Me” flag.

                    • CubsFaninMS

                      I comprehended it differently. In re-reading his comment, perhaps my take was inaccurate. They’re typed words and easily opened to misinterpretation. Your demeaning “gubmint” comment is laughable and proves how idiotic you are willing to go to put someone down from the South. Good for you. You’ve exposed your ignorance/bias in the process.

                    • TWC

                      “:… proves how idiotic you are willing to go to put someone down from the South.”

                      Are you really that dim? When did I say anything about where you live? I’m fairly certain you could live next door to me here in sunny, coastal Northern California and I’d consider you a myopic boob.

                      Some of you people seem to exist solely to complain about how you’re being slighted.

                    • CubsFaninMS

                      I’ve said nothing about being slighted, I simply mentioned that government shouldn’t have its place in the ordeal based on what we know now. If you believe that comment came out of nowhere and was misplaced, so be it. I’ve said my peace about that.

                      If you were my neighbor, I would still consider you an inflammatory, rude annoyance. I’m sure you report your neighbors to the HOA if they put their trash out a day too soon.

                  • nate1m

                    I’m not sure how it came off that I was asking ‘could the government do something about this?’. I was asking could this have larger implication for the league and their antitrust exemption or tax exempt status or any other legal implications that are not directly related but could be used by Sterling or anyone else for that matter (players, TV rights, etc.)

              • roz

                The government isn’t involved here. An owner freely entered into a private association and freely agreed to those association’s by-laws, and is now suffering the consequences of violating those by-laws.

    • waittilthisyear

      i know the NFL defeated an antitrust lawsuit because the court sided with the NFL when the NFL claimed to be 32 individual entities. i imagine that set a precedent for the other major sports leagues

      • nate1m

        I knew that about the NFL. What I’m questioning is the leagues ability to force Sterling out. Can 29 business owners force out the 30th. My point was they’re are a lot of implication going forward and this jumped to mind for me. I guess you could refuse to have the team at all if he’s the owner and that would alleviate my concern. Just because he has a team doesn’t mean they have to play against them.

        • Diehardthefirst

          Me thinks he was set up to get another non Caucasian owner

        • waittilthisyear

          now you are thinking like al davis, who refused to (or forced, can’t recall) the raider’s move, threatening to just remove them from the league entirely if he did not get his way. “its mine and ill do with it what i damn well please.” fortunately, this alerted pro teams to this possibility, which is why now it is included in the contracts signed by new owners that indeed they could be voted out of ownership by the other owners, much like they need to be approved to be allowed in. although he owns the team, he is not able to do with it whatever he chooses

          • nate1m

            So I just did a little better listening to some podcasts from yesterday and it turns out the NBA would be voting to remove the Clippers from the league not Donald Sterling. If he sells the team they could then allow them to re-enter the league (though that’s probably just on paper, I wouldn’t expect a season without the team). They cannot remove an owner

  • PejaO42

    I have a problem with an owner losing his team for saying something yet athletes who keep their jobs even after they rape and/or murder someone

    • Jon

      He’s going to be forced to sell his team for close to a billion in profits , whoa is him

      • PejaO42

        If the Bucks got $550 million, he’ll get over a billion. But that’s not the point. Yes he is a racist ass, but forcing him to sell sets a precident this is a slippery slope. Granted, as it is not a governemnet concern and I will never have enough money to own an NBA team (nor would I make the comments) it doesn’t concern me too much. However, just doesn’t seem right that the players can do a whole bunch of actually illegal things and not get banned or even fined/suspended (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobe_Bryant_sexual_assault_case)

    • Edwin

      He’s not losing it for saying something, he’s losing it because for being something. This isn’t a one time thing with this guy.

      • PejaO42

        Then why didn’t he get his team taken away when he was taken to court for saying black people “smell”?
        http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Sports/2014/04/29/8-Things-That-Wont-Get-You-Banned-by-the-NBA

        • Patrick W.

          How is that relevant? He got away with it in the past so he should just get away with it always? That article is dumb.

          • PejaO42

            How is the atricle “stupid”? Could you please back that up Patrick? It provided vast examples of how other people have gotten away with things, including Sterling, a lot worse than saying someone doesn’t want black people around. Silve stated that taking away the team had nothing to do with previous actions. If it did (I would argue that they should have taken the team away in 2009) I would be perfecty okay with him losing the team

            • BT

              The only example in that article that matters is the Sterling example. And in that case, it appears it was settled out of court, and it was never PROVEN, only alleged, that he made the “black people smell” statement. You don’t take a team away on allegations.

              There are reasons Sterling is treated differently than the others on the list (really, Spike Lee, how in the world is that relevant?). He is an owner. Outside of coaches and free agents, players on the Clippers have NO CHOICE as to whether or not they work for him. You can’t have that kind of environment. That’s why he has to go.

              • PejaO42

                Isn’t that tape of him talking just an allegation? I could be wrong, but I think his liar, err laywer has come out and said it wasn’t him.

                The NBA can ban whoever they want, that is where the list is relevant. They have banned players before (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_players_banned_or_suspended_by_the_NBA) and easily could ban whatever fans they want.

                I understand your point but, players do have a choice; it is called Free Agency. Yes, those who get drafted have little choice, and saying no whould screw them over, but they could say no. They could easily walk away

                • Diehardthefirst

                  Fly on the wall for how many times he and girl rehearsed before pushing ON

                • BT

                  His wife verified it was him. I’m not 100 percent sure, but I think Sterling admitted it as well.

                  Your Free Agency idea doesn’t pass the sniff test. Because of NBA anti-trust rules, you are saying that players drafted by the Clippers are condemned to either play for a racist, or not earn a living. That’s beyond absurd. And what of the players already on the team who have signed contracts? Do they all become free agents? That might be a huge bonus for some, it might be the end of their career for others. It’s not workable.

                  If everyone was a free agent every year, then your mighty hand of the free market might be applicable, but it’s not. The NBA is not like the real world.

                  • PejaO42

                    Alright, I thought I saw his lawyer deny it but whatever; I’m 99% sure it is him.

                    NBA players could always go over seas and play professionally in the countless number of leagues to make their living. Many NBA teams prefer their 2dn round picks do this in order to keep their payroll low. I agree with you that there would be issues with this, but really the players all could decide not to play at all for a certain team (look at Minnestoa’s ability to attract FAs), make millions oversea, and then come back when their rights are up/have them traded to a different team

            • Patrick W.

              Well, for clarity, I said it was “dumb” not stupid. Dumb because it didn’t say anything, at least not anything relevant.

              People doing stuff in the past and getting away with it has nothing to do with whether somebody else does something and should get away with it. Either it’s wrong or it’s not. The fact that he or other people got away with things worse doesn’t matter. We have evolved, we’ve gotten smarter, we’ve gotten more empathetic, and we’ve gotten less tolerant of the intolerant.

              Where would you propose to draw the line at the “other people have done worse or the same in the past, so we shouldn’t punish a person now” theory? Is it “people should be able to be an NBA owner and be a virulent racist because black people didn’t used to get to play in the NBA?” Is it ” … because black people couldn’t use the same water fountains?” Is it “… because black people were slaves?” See how absurd that sounds? Well it sounds just as absurd to say “… because he did worse stuff in 2009″ or “… because these 7 black people did bad stuff”. It’s dumb. It’s noise. It means literally nothing.

              • PejaO42

                As I said, if the NBA would have forced him in based on the information they had in 2009, or if they said it was a culmination of all the racist stuff this a-hole has done in the past, I would be 100% of with it. But taking it away based on 1 audio recording doesn’t sit well for me. NOTE: I don’t feel bad for Sterling at all.

                The article just points out the hypocrisy in the NBA. The anti-gay comment stuff is going on RIGHT NOW in 2014. It makes no sense to say we have evolved when we still have this crap going on right now

                • Patrick W.

                  The hypocrisy of the NBA is still not relevant.

                  • PejaO42

                    How? If they gay slur stuff going on right now, how is that not relevant?

                    • Patrick W.

                      Because this issue stands alone. This isn’t a balancing act. Both things are on the same side of the scale.

      • Pat

        So because he is a racist, he should not be allowed to own something? Yay thought police!

        • http://fullcount1544.blogspot.com FullCountTommy

          Not even close. His racism violated the code ethics of the private club that he voluntary joined, and that private club is now forcing him out because it is of the best interest of that club as a whole.

          • Pat

            A code of ethics covering beliefs or private conversations? Somehow I doubt that. But if you can produce the wording I’ll stand corrected.

            • http://fullcount1544.blogspot.com FullCountTommy

              The private conversation part of it literally has no bearing on this situation. If you have a private conversation with a coworker, can your boss not fire you for things said in that conversation??

              • Pat

                If the conversation takes place in my home and the only record of it is illegally obtained, then no.

                • http://fullcount1544.blogspot.com FullCountTommy

                  Yes, they could. If they wanted to use that conversation as evidence in a legal case, then no, they could not use it, but this is not a legal case.

                  • Pat

                    Well, seeing as the only was they can actually force him to sell is by involving the courts – yeah, it is a legal case.

                    • http://fullcount1544.blogspot.com FullCountTommy

                      That’s not true at all. From the NBA constitution

                      “NBA owners also have the right, by three-fourths vote, to revoke ownership if an owner “fails to fulfill” a “contractual obligation” in “such a way as to affect the [NBA] or its members adversely.”

                    • Pat

                      And how is that enforceable without involving the courts?

              • Pat

                I mean, he can fire me for anything, but would lose a wrongful terminate suit (as the evidence is inadmissable)

  • bnile1

    Got to say I have an issue with the sterling Ban. Not that I agree with his statements or his sentiments, but these were not public statements. they were a private converstion/argument with his girlfriend, taped illegally(cali is a 2 party consent state), which looks to me like a set up(she got him reved up and got him to say something stupid so she could use it against him IMHO). Should we all be judged for anything we’ve ever said in the heat of the moment in a private argument?? And if so, does that mean we should have our Jobs/property/livelihood taken from us as a results of out opinions(not our actions). And if so then who is the arbitor??

    It’s easy to single out a guy like sterling, there is a natural bias right now against “billionaires”, but does that justify violating his liberties??, and if it can be done to him, why not us?? Freedom is easy when things are going well, it’s what you do in times of crisis that begets tyrany. The purpose of liberty is to protect the rights of the individual against the tyrany of the majority. It has been said that a lynch mob is the single most democratic institution on the planet. So it’s easy to stand here and say ” yeah, get him” but that doesn’t make it right. Ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee.

    If his comments had been public, if there are other examples of actions in his capacity as team owner( there are allegations in his housing businesses), then I can see the ban and forced sale. But as it stands right now, IMHO it’s a brigde too far.

    Now the Fine was appropriate, and maybe evan a suspension, draft sanctions, all would have been OK, but if it’s OK to take away his property because of an opinion, then the thought police are here. Believe me I don’t want to defend this guy, and won’t defend his character(which appears to be pretty sleazy), or his statements(indefensible), Only his liberty, and the liberty of all of us, because if the new standard is thought, and not actions, then there wll be quite the demand on hemlock.

    • Brocktoon

      You’re one of those guys Jon is talking about upthread. Violating his liberties? lol.

      • bnile1

        Unfortunately the majority do not truely understand civics, Again a lynch mob has no ability to violate liberties?? the NBA is an an authority figure with coersive powers, It has the ability to oppress. Just becasue I may like what they are doing, doesn’t make it right. Just easy.

        • http://fullcount1544.blogspot.com FullCountTommy

          A lynch mob violates laws…What laws are the NBA violating??

      • JM

        Seems he is under the impression that Sterling is being forced by the league to sell the team. I am unclear of that myself right now.

        • J

          The issue will be whether the NBA franchise agreements allow the league to (a) ban an owner for life (as opposed to indefinitely and/or for a set period of time) and (b) force the sale of a team over the owner’s objection for reasons other than financial distress and involvement with gambling. One or two owners had already claimed that (b) was not permissible, but have since joined Silver’s request (see Mark Cuban). Apparently, any dispute over those two items are either not subject to review or subject to binding arbitration (depending on which story you read). Aside from all of that is whether the NBA’s action violates antitrust law (or as others point out, if Sterling’s wife files for divorce since the team is apparently community property).

    • DarthHater

      The first defense against tyranny is learning how to spell it.

      • DarthHater

        And btw, a forced sale is not taking away his property. If he sells, he gets paid for it. Significant difference. Sure, the forced part restricts his freedom to not sell, but that’s not the same as taking away his property. And if his freedom is limited, it’s by contractual provisions to which he previously agreed. Enforcing a voluntary contract is not an infringement of freedom.

        • college_of_coaches

          You know, despite your goofy memes, I suspect that you’re a seriously talented lawyer. I really love the comments here. If I ever need to hire a lawyer, or an evolutionary biologist, I know where to come.

          • DarthHater

            Sorry, but like Robert Duvall in the Godfather, I have a special practice and only represent one client. :-P

          • DarthHater

            And judges LOVE it when I include memes in my court filings. :-P

        • bnile1

          Darth

          add splell checker in the editor to the wish list for the site.

          Agree that the sale is not quite the same as seizing his property, but forced aspect is taking his property away. And let’s not pretend there is a contractual aspect to this, it’s being done secondary to public pressure, out of convenience. If it was just about appearance or the rest of it they would have done this 10 years ago(when the cases of discrimination in his housing deals were first reported). Again I’m not defending him, but what other what other words or opinions justify taking peoples jobs, or livelihoods, making them sell their houses and move away?? Sell their businesses?? that’s why I have to stop short of the ban here. Obviously it’s not popular, but priciples are hard sometimes.

          • DarthHater

            I agree with you to this extent. As a society, I don’t think we should be bugging each other’s bedrooms and then orchestrating public outrage over the recordings, even when the comments really are outrageous. But as long as government is not involved and no other laws are broken, I don’t think it’s a legal issue. I see it as an issue of political culture and people are individually responsible for having or obtaining the maturity to not just buy into the TMZ-Deadspinization of our society.

            • CubsFaninMS

              Very well put Darth. I agree.

              • DarthHater

                Crap, now I have to go back and see what I said wrong. (just kidding) ;-)

          • Karl Groucho

            Frankly this is *all about* appearances, and the fact that they haven’t taken action until now shows it. They have the ability to revoke membership to their collective organization almost precisely for instances like this: when an owner does something so egregious as to threaten the success of the league as a whole.

            This ultimately has nothing to do with his racism, but rather the baldfaced gaucheness of his behavior presenting a threat to a profitable business. More than anything this is a clear business decision made by private actors, who have the power to do so because they ex ante agreed they didn’t want something like this hurting the league’s profitability.

            So you could criticize the league for building in rules by which it can protect its own well-being, but it strikes me as a reasonable thing to do. You could also criticize the bigger-picture, societal notion that Sterling did something wrong here, but that border on, ah — regressive.

            • Karl Groucho

              (You could, of course, take this whole affair to see that the emperor has no clothes. That is, no one really cares about the real racial issues here; no one cared about what Sterling said or did until it showed “impoliteness,” until it came all too close to giving away the whole structural affair that NBA ownership capitalizes on. But that’s not a comfortable thing to contemplate if you enjoy most any sports league.)

    • CubsFaninMS

      bnile:

      The flaw in your argument is that the NBA has initiated these actions, not the government. I agree that, if the government inserted itself into the situation, that it would be an issue. But the NBA is an entity that is certainly bound by a code of ethics that Mr. Sterling violated. They had every right to initiate a penalty commensurate to what is agreed upon in the contract and/or code of ethics.

      • roz

        Well, I fucked up this reply. If only there was an edit button…

        • roz

          I give up.

          • CubsFaninMS

            Ha I have a 12-year bottle of Elijah Craig bourbon if you’d like to drive down to Mississippi for some shots. Might ease your pain a little. My 18-year (that turned into 22-year) was finished last night.

        • DarthHater

          Yea! Hey, Brett! You’re violating our liberty to edit our comments by not providing an edit button!

    • Spriggs

      There is a lot to like about Dunston Jr. But it’s been sort of puzzling to me how slowly he’s advanced. Beginning when he was drafted in 2011 (didn’t even play in the AZ Rookie League that year – but he was at all the games in Mesa and wasn’t hurt) through today – where is now seeing limited action in low A. I understand that he struggled in 2012 in a relatively small number of games at Boise, but I still don’t get it. He has a great attitude and work ethic, so I know it isn’t about anything like that.

      • jh03

        I think you may have responded to the wrong thread.. haha.

        • Spriggs

          Nope. There is a link to Dunston’s profile in Brett’s notes above. Haha

          • jh03

            I meant comment thread. My bad.

            Mabye my computer is messed up.

            • TWC

              It’s not. Spriggs’s comment is placed as a response to some turdboy defense of the racist basketball team owner.

              But his comments on Dunston Jr. are pretty dead on.

              • jh03

                Okay, I thought so.

                And yes, yes they are.

                • TWC

                  If you contact Spriggs on Twitter, you can set him straight.

                  • jh03

                    You’d think after all of our attempts at getting him on Twitter, he’d actually try it out… but nope. Jerk.

                    • Spriggs

                      Ouch. Ouch. I lose again.

                    • TWC

                      It’s endearing. More or less.

                    • Spriggs

                      look out man.

                  • Spriggs

                    Well, today is my final tax season deadline and I officially announced my retirement (to my bosses yesterday). That want me to stay on for a little while and I agreed, but I will soon have plenty of time to explore the brave new world of the internets… and such. Look at man.

                    • ssckelley

                      Or attend more Arizona games so you can report back to us on what you see.

                    • college_of_coaches

                      Congrats Spriggs!

      • J

        Dunston was seen as exceptionally raw, which is why most thought he was headed to college. I think that is why is progress through the minors has been slow.

        • Spriggs

          Yes, but I just thout that by now, almost 3 years after drafting him, he would be more than just a part time low A player.

  • roz

    >does that justify violating his liberties??

    Who is violating his liberties? He agreed to abide by the NBA by-laws, and now he’s getting punished for violating those by-laws. The government is not involved, and all your stuff about liberty and tyranny is just fear mongering, at least as applied to this situation.

    • bnile1

      ‘Who is violating his liberties? He agreed to abide by the NBA by-laws, and now he’s getting punished for violating those by-laws. ‘

      The buy laws say what opinions he can hold, and what he can say to his girlfriend, or do they say, or do they prohibit discrimination in his actions?? You have more knowledge I’m sure on that but I have a hard time they apply to thoughts and opinions.

      ‘The government is not involved, and all your stuff about liberty and tyranny is just fear mongering, at least as applied to this situation.’

      See the example of the lynch mob. The government is not involved in that either. the government is not the only entitiy that can violate liberites. When you start saying that freedom and property can be taken away you are moving towars tyrany doesn’t matter who’s doing it.

      If you don’t defend libery when it’s hard, then there will be no one left to defend it when it matters. Sorry you don’t like it, and I would love to jump in with the mob and run him out of town on a rail, but that doesn’t make it right. Sometimes principle is hard.

      • Jon

        [img]http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Jerry-Seinfeld-No-Thanks-and-Leave.gif[/img]

      • Patrick W.

        “Sometimes principle is hard.”

        Sometimes so logic is hard too.

  • Medicos

    HITS & WALKS ADD UP TO RUNS AND OUR 3 STARTERS,DESPITE FEW WINS, HAVE HAD AN OUTSTANDING OPENING MONTH:

    WOOD: 1.34 WHIP—31 SO—7 W—30 2/3 INNINGS—34 HITS—3.52 ERA

    SHARK: 1.10 WHIP—27 SO—9 W—35 2/3 INNINGS—30 HITS—1.53 ERA

    HAMMEL: .69 WHIP—27 SO—7 W—34 2/3 INNINGS—17 HITS—2.08 ERA

    • CubsFaninMS

      ..and the strikeout pitcher so far this year is Travis Wood. How many of us would’ve predicted that? (sample size alert, of course)

  • blublud

    While Sterling is an idiot, he has right to feel the way he does. As far as the law suits, it was his property, and he can rent it or not rent it to who he wants.

    Unfortunately for him, this doesn’t apply to his NBA franchise. He will no longer be an owner in the NBA in a matter of a couple months. They’ll vote him out. I think he deserves to lose his team, but I’m not sure he deserves to lose his team for something he said in the privacy of his own home. Where’s the precedent in this move.

    Sterling is an idiot. But folk, tolerance is the word. If we are to tolerate blacks, Muslim and gays in America, unfortunately, we should tolerate racist because it is their God given right.

    • Brocktoon

      “As far as the law suits, it was his property, and he can rent it or not rent it to who he wants.”

      Well that’s not true

      “But folk, tolerance is the word. If we are to tolerate blacks, Muslim and gays in America, unfortunately, we should tolerate racist because it is their God given right.”

      Neither is this.

      • blublud

        The point is, and I have said this many times, is that if a person of a certain race wants to dislike other races, they should have the right. Hate is wrong, but we cant control other people’s feelings. As for private property, the government should control how they deal with it. With his team, he has a contract with the league, so he doesnt have that right.

      • CubsFaninMS

        Can we call you “Attitoon” instead? You appear to disagree with everything that is said.

        • Brocktoon

          Sorry, you’re right blubud, it’s totally legal for a landlord to discriminate on race.

          Additionally tolerance is all about tolerating people who are intolerant.

          And I concede your point CubsfaninMS, the government is somehow involved in this.

          • CubsFaninMS

            As you promptly mentioned in my comment, you’ve taken his out of context. Blubud never said that housing discrimination was an okay or legal practice.

            How big was that fish again, Race-Baitoon?

            • TWC

              Blublud: “… it was his property, and he can rent it or not rent it to who he wants.”

              CubsFaninMS: “Blubud never said that housing discrimination was an okay or legal practice.”

              Everyone else: ::rolls eyes::

    • TWC

      “… it was his property, and he can rent it or not rent it to who he wants.”

      I’m shocked, SHOCKED!, that you don’t understand something on which you’ve already made up your mind.

      BTW: you’re wrong.

    • Diehardthefirst

      Did u ever consider that he did this to gain leverage over wife in pending divorce? A forced sale has certain tax loss advantages

    • http://fullcount1544.blogspot.com FullCountTommy

      “But folk, tolerance is the word. If we are to tolerate blacks and gays in America, unfortunately, we should tolerate racist because it is their God given right.”

      Only one of these is a choice…

    • mjhurdle

      People only want tolerance when it is applied to ideas/practices that they agree with or at least accept as valid.
      Sad, but mostly true

      • Brocktoon

        Yes, it’s quite sad that we don’t tolerate hate.

      • Diehardthefirst

        Yet Winston skated but like OJ gets caught on lesser offense- there is a God

  • Jon

    As a Bulls fan, I need some gallows humor right now…So who returns to the NBA first , Donald Sterling or Derrick Rose.

  • bnile1

    Jon

    Looking at current trends, I’d say Sterling. His lawsuits will be decided before rose’s rehab ends(not becasue the courts are fast, but becuse his rehab is so slow).

    [img]smiley face[/img]

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