Outside of a strange stretch in the 4th inning where he couldn’t get his slider to the plate, let alone over it, Edwin Jackson was absolutely phenomenal tonight.

It didn’t much matter, though, because the Cubs could get nothing going off of Hector Noesi, a reliever against whom, for his career, the average hitter has hit like an All-Star. He lasted just five (dominating) innings, but the bullpen kept on holding the Cubs down from there. The Cubs’ bullpen allowed the White Sox to take the lead, and Pedro Strop had a particularly rough outing. At least it wasn’t a painful extra-inning loss.

Insanely, Moises Sierra and Gordon Beckham were a combined 8 for 8 in this one. More insanely …

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  • Kyle

    The best part of that Beckham slash line is that he’d be like 3rd or 4th in line for worst on our team even before tonight.

    • Patrick W.

      Best part about that comment, it’s only the 3rd or 4th douchiest thing you’ve ever said.

      • DarthHater

        Hell, it’s probably only the 3rd or 4th douchiest thing he’s said today.

      • Kyle

        There’s no way that’s in the top 100.

        • DarthHater

          See? Even that^^^ was douchier. :-P

          • Patrick W.

            You’re right.

    • Paddy26

      I don’t know why people got mad at this when it is objectively true.

      • KHRSS

        Because criticizing the team = criticizing the FO. Which some people really get offended by.

      • Coop

        Because when it is the same comments on every single thread it gets old. It’s not like it is an attempt to stimulate any meaningful conversation; it is just more garbage. I don’t understand the enjoyment in persistent negativity. That does not seem like a fun way to go through life.

  • Featherstone

    After the 2nd game of that Cardinals series I was getting a little worried that we may just miss getting a protected draft pick this year.

    The offense the last 2 games has quickly dispelled any lingering fear of that.

  • Sandberg

    Just when I was starting to think they were turning it around the bats go silent again. Back to rooting for the 1st pick.

  • lnfihDeL

    Damn this team is hard to watch, but that’ll just make it sweeter. I can’t wait for the call up days for Alcantara, Baez and Bryant.

    • renegade4196

      Yeah, I can’t wait til I have another guy that bats .140 and strikes out 60% of the time on this team.

      • gocatsgo2003

        Why do you even come here?

  • drocthekid

    Great Job EJax wasted by no hitting at all 2 of 3 last starts have been great. Good signs. If Baez was even having a decent start he’d be here smh Gotta figure things out

  • another JP

    Just the type of game that makes the organization look horrible. If Rizzo, Castro, or Castillo can’t produce the Cubs have no shot and guys like Bryant, Soler, or Baez can’t get to Chicago soon enough.

    • willis

      Don’t hold your breath…Baez is playing terribly, Soler can’t stay healthy and Bryant is your only hope to get to Chicago fast.

      • another JP

        True, which is why I said guys “like” Bryant et.al. Right now I’d take Andreoli, Bruno, or any other high OBP prospect that can figure out how to get on base in the majors.

  • waittilthisyear

    beckham’s game demonstrates how quickly baez could turn things around. jackson did look good today, deserves praise after how badly he gets ragged on. i liked how ramirez responded after having 2 curveballs hammered, using that good fastball to get ahead. castillo looked like he could have used a day off, behind on a lot of hittable fastballs. nate looks lost. would have liked to see get olt get a pitch to hit off downs. i did love when beef picked the guy off first. rough evening at the office though

    • DarthHater

      “beckham’s game demonstrates how quickly baez could turn things around.”

      This is true. If only there were some way for Baez to get in a few games batting against the Cubs, I’m sure he could quickly get hot.

    • Kyle

      Just think, Javy. You could be just one day away from hitting .234!

      • DarthHater

        Javy replies to Kyle:

        • waittilthisyear

          Javy! another doubter wants to die for his soap box. obliiiiige him

        • another JP

          Now that’s what motivates Javy to swing so hard-

  • willis

    Bad night and leaves us all in a funk, but Jackson put together a pretty good start. He’s not been just terrible lately and hopefully he can keep it up. Granted, the White Sox aren’t world beaters but tonight is the best he’s looked to this point on the year.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

      Going by Runs Scored, the White Sox have the second best offense in baseball (behind Colorado).

      If they weren’t allowing the third most runs in baseball (behind Arizona and Houston) they’d be really good. As it is, I suspect the South Siders are in for a long summer.

      • Brocktoon

        Well that just makes our offensive performance sadder.

    • another JP

      Ejax might be back to his 2010 form… If so the Cubs would have quite the starting pitching. It’s conceivable ALL of them would be garnering interest at the trade deadline.

  • dougdascenzoschangeup

    The past few games have been pretty frustrating–but I do think we have proven an ability to find/fix starting pitching. Now if we could just find a couple of bats…

  • https://www.facebook.com/AnotherSpaceSong Bret Epic

    If I recall correctly, Strop was taken out in the middle of an at bat and I believe the trainer walked back with him. Was there an injury?

  • http://deepcenterfield.mlblogs.com/ Jason Powers

    Saw a discussion on Farm Systems: here’s some information. 2007-2013 BA Rankings.



    Kyle wins! ;) And well…the Cubs…do as they do.

    • Karl Groucho

      Always enjoy your stuff, thanks for this!

      • http://deepcenterfield.mlblogs.com/ Jason Powers

        No problema. I have my moments…

        Washington has a hidden gem, if Treinen gets a change-up, look out: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/treinbl01.shtml

        Fastball sits at 96-98MPH. Lots of run, some sink.
        6-4″ tall -made LA batters uncomfortable. Slider is iffy, but 86. Older at 26 – but really, he pitched pretty well against those Dodgers with Kershaw opposing. Lots of strikes…Arrieta with 2MPH on the FB.

        I wished the Cubs would have snagged him last year. Came over in the Michael Morse 3-way trade alnngside AJ Cole and Ian Krol (of the Fister trade.)

    • another JP

      Any publication rating the Mariners #2 in 2013 can’t be taken seriously.

      • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

        Why not? Zuninio, Walker, Hultzen, and Paxton was a very potent top four, and they had one of the deepest collections of left handed pitching talent to pack it up (not to mention a fair bit of depth in general).

      • http://deepcenterfield.mlblogs.com/ Jason Powers

        Some swear by it as the gospel. But enough unknowns exist that one can put any ranking on things and call them good and accurate.

        REMEMBER: MBS Securities that were poorly rated were then sliced and diced, repackaged, and sold as AAA-rated stuff. And people with near perfect GMAT scores, and 99th percentile intellects, lost cash if they overlooked the obvious – or they made a ton, Goldman – if they worked for the right outfit and knew how to avoid certain risks. Just a very crude way to compare.

  • SenorGato
    • SenorGato

      Parks loves Alfaro. I’m a fan too. Might have both him and Sanchez above Hedges, and all three of those are high quality catching prospects IMO. I can’t remember the last time catcher had so much talent up top, but I’m not really caring to remember.

  • Funn Dave

    Every team in the NL Central is 4-6 over its last ten games.

  • sunshine and rainbows

    Sucks that ramirez came down to earth a little bit, but at least he didn’t walk anybody. Few things are as frustrating as a fresh reliever coming out and not being able to hit the zone.

  • Diehardthefirst

    What did I predict 9-2? Or a 41/2- 1 spread? 5-1 is on the mark- if I can see it why can’t Mgr Rick? Call the Yanks and make the 3 for 10 trade today

  • E

    EJax turned in the best performance I’ve seen from him in a Cubs uniform. Unfortunately, we made a couple of scrub pitchers look like Nolan Ryan and Roger Clemens.

    • CubFan Paul

      “Unfortunately, we made a couple of scrub pitchers look like Nolan Ryan and Roger Clemens”

      We always do that (always).

  • Spoda17

    The Cubs offense was dominated by a guy who has been released TWICE already this year… nice…

    • Canadian Cubs Fan

      Too many auto outs in that lineup. And now, sadly, they had to the south side, where the DH kills Travis Wood’s chance to swing the lumber. Can we decline the DH?

  • Chad

    Ejax gave up only 6 hits to 2 different players. Beckham had 3 hits and Sierra had 3. After his big game Sierra is now hitting .154

  • Canadian Cubs Fan

    I know the complaint department on Jackson should be closed, but I still have a couple minor bitches:

    1) Dude throws a lot of pitches in the dirt. Castillo must dread his starts.

    2) If he had laid down that bunt with a couple men on, Bonifacio’s single would have plated two, and given them the lead. The fact that he took a called strike two before fouling off strike three is mind-boggling.

    But he did pitch well. Hopefully he continues along this path…but I have my doubts.

  • Pepitones wig

    Here’s to hoping Jackson puts together 5 or 6 more starts like that. Then maybe he could be delt.

    One can dream, right?

  • Zoolander

    The Cubs offense features zero clutch hitters, which I define as a high batting average with runners in scoring position, especially with 2 outs. This is what I see as the Cubs greatest weakness and why their RISP has been terrible for a number of years.

    • http://fullcount1544.blogspot.com FullCountTommy

      How are all those “clutch” Cardinals hitters from a year ago performing this year with RISP???

      • Zoolander

        Stick to the subject.

        • http://fullcount1544.blogspot.com FullCountTommy

          I am sticking to the subject, I don’t believe in clutch hitting at all.

          The Cubs offense isn’t bad because they don’t have clutch hitters, it’s bad because they feature a lot of bad hitters in general. Hitting with RISP will generally follow in line with how a batter hits with nobody on base.

          • half_full_beer_mug

            DING DING DING……..and we have a winner

          • Zoolander

            Not true.

            • http://iawrestle.com On The Farm

              A very solid response to defend your position.

  • Zoolander

    Cubs were last year with men on second and/or third batted only .218 in those situations in 2013. But they were 2nd in the NL in home runs and third in doubles. If the Cubs aren’t hitting home runs, there’s a good chance they will lose the game, even if their starting pitcher, like Shark, has an ERA of 1.62.

    • Medicos

      ZOOLANDER: It’s the over shifting that’s causing many hitters to lose a number of batted balls that would have been singles to become outs. If we have to “lose” games, I’d rather “lose” them with SHARK.

      • Zoolander

        The White Sox have done a really nice job with their over shifting, particularly on Rizzo.

    • http://fullcount1544.blogspot.com FullCountTommy

      As a team last year overall the Cubs slashed 238/300/392. With RISP, they slashed 218/309/360. Not a whole lot of difference there

      • Zoolander

        20 points in the batting average for an entire team is large. There were 5498 total at bats last year. That comes out to an extra 110 hits for the season if their RISP matched their pathetic overall average in 2013.

        • http://fullcount1544.blogspot.com FullCountTommy

          Show me a statistic that proves clutch hitting, that’s all I’m saying. Those stats show that the Cubs were bad with RISP and they were bad without RISP.

          • Zoolander

            David Ortiz was last year’s World Series MVP. His .688 batting average and .760 on-base percentage were the second-best in a single World Series.

            Looking at Ortiz, in tie games he’s hit .297/.401/.578, up 49 points of OPS from his regular season line. When the score is within one run in either direction, he’s hit .298/.394/.370, up 34 points.

            He also has 3 World Series rings to prove it.

            • http://fullcount1544.blogspot.com FullCountTommy

              One data point does not make a trend

            • http://fullcount1544.blogspot.com FullCountTommy


              Also, check out this quote from David Grabiner

              “The correlation between past and current clutch performance is .01, with a standard deviation of .07. In other words, there isn’t a significant ability in clutch hitting; if there were, the same players would be good clutch hitters every year.”

              • Zoolander

                Perhaps clutch hitting can best be explained in playoff game wins and World Series championships, both things the Cubs have not done a very good job at for a long, long time.

                • http://fullcount1544.blogspot.com FullCountTommy

                  No, that can be explained by talent level

                  • Zoolander

                    Wrong. Ted Williams, Ernie Banks, Don Mattingly. You know the names. Talented players who never won a World Series.

                    • DarthHater


                      I know you’re making changes to the site. Did you install some kind of logic repulsion device last night?

                    • http://www.friendly-confines.com hansman

                      What is it that you are proving with that list of names?

                    • http://fullcount1544.blogspot.com FullCountTommy

                      “What is it that you are proving with that list of names?”

                      That he can name 3 past or present professional baseball players

                    • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

                      Teams, not players, win the World Series. When you have very good players who never accomplished that, odds are pretty good they spent a lot of time playing for teams that were not very good.

                    • Chad

                      As in team talent, but you may be making his point. You said measure it by post season wins or WS victories yet those three HOFs never won a WS, so were they not clutch hitters?

                  • Zoolander

                    Ted Williams performed miserably in his only World Series appearance, in 1946, hitting .200 in a seven-game series loss to the St. Louis Cardinals.

                    In that particular World Series, he was not a clutch hitter, but certainly one of if not the most talented hitters of all time.

                    • Chad

                      So because of one series he is no longer a clutch hitter. Clutch hitting is dumb anyway, how do you define what a clutch hit is?

                    • http://www.friendly-confines.com hansman

                      But he did so well with RISP…I’m confused. What is the definition of Clutch and how can I measure it so I know who is clutch?

            • http://www.friendly-confines.com hansman

              I was wondering why you left out late and close (which is arguably more clutch than just any old RISP PA).

              Ortiz has a career .873 OPS in late and close situations.

              So he’s only clutch…some of the time.

        • http://www.friendly-confines.com hansman

          Last year they out-performed (by a larger margin as well) their season totals in late and close and tied ballgames.

  • Zoolander

    The Cubs had opportunities over the last 2 games with the White Sox to pull out wins in both games with a few key clutch hits late, but couldn’t deliver, even with the heart of their order coming up to bat.

    • N8theGr8

      Z…I hear what you’re saying about clutch hitting. We all saw it from Aramis and D. Lee quite a lot back in the day. But unless it can be quantified and substantiated with a strict sabermetric statistic, then your argument is moot with this crowd. Seeing may be believing, but unless the numbers add up then both belief and sight are null qualities. It is a classic case of old school vs. new school and the latter will not deviate one iota from their numbers. I’ve learned to stop trying to entice them to enjoy the game sans mathematical equations.

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