NFL Draft 2014 Day 2 (Multiple Updates)

PhilEmeryConfusedWelcome back! This is the second day of the NFL’s three-day draft extravaganza, and as with last night’s coverage, I’ll be on Twitter throughout, and posting Bears-relevant thoughts on this space as things happen. The Bears have two picks (so far) tonight: #51 and #82, in the second and third rounds, respectively.

The time between picks drops to seven minutes for the second round, and then five minutes for the third, quickening the pace considerably. It should be a very interesting night for the Bears, and for the league in general.

A few quick thoughts:

  • I’d expect the Bears to remain focused on the best player available, with perhaps a preference for a defender if things are close. They still have a glaring need at safety, and to be honest most everywhere else on defense save cornerback and defensive end.
  • A guy like Florida State defensive tackle Timmy Jernigan was once connected to the Bears in the first round of many mock drafts, and he’s still available for a variety of reasons. (Including a failed drug test at the combine. While that alone doesn’t doom a player to future failure, it’s certainly not the best of signs, since prospects know they’ll be tested.)
  • Though the Bears selected a cornerback in the first round (if you somehow missed that, it was Virginia Tech’s Kyle Fuller) I think it’s possible that the late first round run of safeties selected could push the Bears to take another cornerback, with an eye on converting him to safety. That certainly carries some risks as well; they tried the exact same thing with third-rounder Brandon Hardin in 2012, with very poor results.)
  • Finally, and this isn’t strictly draft news, Browns receiver Josh Gordon is reportedly facing a season-long suspension for another failed marijuana test. I wonder how that will factor in to the Browns strategy going forward, and how it might have impacted their decision to trade down from #4 last night (delivering Sammy Watkins to the Bills) had they known. (I’m not sure at what point teams are informed of failed tests; if someone has more concrete knowledge, feel free to share.)

Enjoy the draft!

Update #1:

The Bears selected LSU defensive tackle Ego Ferguson with the 51st overall pick. This was a bit of a surprise, although at that point in the draft it’s tough to gauge where teams are with their boards. The early reviews are that Ferguson is a bit of a project, which some might view as a red flag; but then, the same thing was said about Kyle Long last year, so I’m willing to take an open-minded view of things.

It’s tough to get a handle on his measurables; as noted by CBS Chicago’s Adam Hoge, he sat out most workouts at the Combine due to an ankle injury. He’s certainly a big body, at 6’3″, 315, and his strength projects to be against the run. (Which would certainly be welcome.)

I’ll have more on Ferguson later, and the Bears are now waiting until pick #82 to make their final selection of the night. (Barring any trades, of course.)

 

Update #2:

With the 82nd overall pick (18th in the third round) the Bears selected Arizona State defensive tackle Will Sutton. According to a few reports I’ve seen on Twitter, Sutton’s 2012 season was superior to his 2013 season, and they attribute that to his gaining weight going into 2013; I’m confident the Bears will be able to get him to what they feel is his optimal weight.

Assuming the conditioning concerns are controllable, Sutton seems like a solid upside play at #82. The Bears had a historically bad rushing defense last year, and I ranked the defensive tackle position as the fourth-neediest. The Bears have tried to address that tonight, taking two players to compete with Nate Collins (returning from an ACL), Jeremiah Ratliff (really good when healthy, but aging), Stephen Paea (also injury-prone, and hasn’t taken a step foward), and veteran Izzy Idonije (more of a rotation piece at this point in his career.) They needed more depth, youth, and talent all across the defensive line, and after targeting the edges in free agency, they’ve targeted the interior in the draft.

Sutton is more of a projectable pass rush defensive tackle, as opposed to Ferguson’s run-stopping strengths. (Again, this is all projection.) They’re both wide bodies, although Sutton might not stay that way; neither is massively tall, but shorter defensive tackles can often use that to their advantage to gain leverage against offensive linemen. (Scouts raved about Aaron Donald’s ability to do just that.)

When I think of a dominant pair of defensive tackles, I’m always reminded of the Keith Traylor/Ted Washington era; two huge space eaters that occupied blockers and allowed Brian Urlacher to freely roam. It’s also important to have disruptive players in the middle when you consider the newly acquired pass rushers; interior pressure prevents teams from continuously doubling on the outside.

All in all, I’m as optimistic as I can be in May. It seems like the Bears have drafted players at or near the top of their overall board (whether or not the rest of the league agreed) who also filled positions of need. All three players they’ve chosen should see the field next season, and for a team that’s angling to compete, that has value.

Jay Rigdon is the editor and lead writer at Bleacher Nation Bears, and can also be found @BearsBN on Twitter.

76 responses to “NFL Draft 2014 Day 2 (Multiple Updates)”

  1. cubbiekoolaid2015

    Bears 3 picks away and Sutton, Nix, and SJB are still on the board for the Bears. Come on Phil, it’s gotta be one of those three!… Right?

  2. cubbiekoolaid2015

    Phil Emery has no clue what he’s doing. I wonder if he’s ever heard of the term “trade back.”

    1. Jason

      It’s easy to just say trade back, but you have to find a team that wants to trade up

      1. cubbiekoolaid2015

        The Bears could of easily moved back but chose to stay put and take the guy with the 4th round grade in the 2nd round. Horrible pick even if Ego turns out to be good. It’s as simple as that.

        1. Austin

          So your in the draft room right now? You knew they could trade back?? Then please tell me why you are on here complaining about your boss as you must work for the Bears with this inside info that you have. Also every reputable draft guru has Ego as a second round guy and the only opinion that is important is the Bears scouts and they obviously like Ego enough to take him there.

          1. cubbiekoolaid2015

            I have no inside anything. It’s called common sense… Don’t like anyone when your pick comes along, you trade back.(something Emery never learned)By the way, Mel Kiper who had the Bears taking Kyle Fuller in his mock had a 4th round grade on Furgeson and called it a “huge reach.” McShay also had a 4th round grade on Ego.

            1. Austin

              You are acting like it is easy to trade back in the draft. Like I said, it take two to tango and if another team isn’t offering some good picks then why would you trade back? Also McShay’s, Mayock’s (Who had a late 2nd early 3rd round grade on Ego IIRC), and Kiper’s opinions mean absolutely nothing compared to NFL Scouts, GM’s, and Coach’s. There is a reason those three are not in an NFL teams front office. I’ll trust Emery and his stuff on the draft over two guys who never played in the NFL and another guy who has never been in the FO or been a coach.

              1. cubbiekoolaid2015

                The 49ers make trading back look pretty easy…

                1. Austin

                  Yup your right, because one team is making a lot of moves means that EVERY team can move around just like them. Ever thing that teams don’t like to talk trades in the draft with the Bears after the Ravens fiasco? Also it will always take two to tango.

                  1. cubbiekoolaid2015

                    That would be really sad if the Ravens fiasco is the reason the Bears are having trouble trading back.

                    1. Austin

                      It’s a possibility. What happened then was pretty bad on both sides. Obviously it’s been all he said she said so no true info has come out to my knowledge but I could see some teams being hesitant when it comes to the Bears and making sure they cover their basis as to not get screwed just in case. Just a could be type of thing.

              2. Coop

                Kiper and McShay tend to mirror NFL evaluations. Given no other data available, it is reasonable to accept their evaluation. I do not like the pick. I hope I am wrong…

                1. Austin

                  If you are gonna use a NFL analyst as your basis for picks in the draft you can certainly do a hell of a lot better than Kiper and McShay. Neither are as good as everyone makes them out to be. Especially McShay.

    2. Austin

      While this isn’t the sexy pick, I like it. Most guys left on the board were either NT’s or DE’s and they just didn’t need a guy at either positions. Ego is the perfect 3-Tech and the best one that was still on the board. While yes the Bears probably could’ve moved back and still got him the risk for that is too high especially considering the other options on the board. Also as Jason said, it takes two to tango and maybe no one was looking to trade up into the Bears pick.

      1. Nathan

        Interesting insight…Do you not view Sutton as 3-technique?

        1. Austin

          Yea he is a 3-Tech but Emery must of had Ego at a lot higher of a grade than Sutton. Caraun Reid is another guy that I was hoping the Bears would have taken but Ego is a better 3-Tech who has played against a lot higher level of competition.

          1. Coop

            Look, it could certainly turn out that he is an excellent player. I certainly hope so. But the general consensus is that the pick is a reach. I am disappointed. I wanted a better value. Hope the next pick excites me.

            1. Coop

              I’ll add that this is starting to be an Emery special. Every draft so far has featured an outside the box pick. Record so far is one success and one complete disaster. Let’s hope for success…

            2. Austin

              General Consensus of people that have never had, nor ever will have a job in an NFL front office. Plus, if your gonna use analyst for your basis then Mayock does not agree with that notion. He never once said he didn’t like the pick, so your general consensus is false.

          2. Nathan

            My best guess is players they liked got picked. Tuitt, Jernigan, etc. If that’s the case don’t reach for Ferguson. Draft a different position. With the way the running backs were falling they could have had their choice of the crop. I trust Emery, so overall I’m not too mad, but I think there was some far superior talent on the board. SJB, Desir, Nix to name a few.

      2. Coop

        I disagree. Not move back… simply wait. 4th round grade in the second round is a bad pick. Period. It’s all about value, and this is a fail.

        1. Austin

          Again, opinions of ESPN’s and NFL Networks’s draft analysts mean nothing compared to those of NFL Scouts, Coaches, and GMs. They can give you a basis but they are no where close to the end all be all. For all we know a team after the Bears could have been just as high on him as the Bears and were looking to take him not much later than when the Bears were picking.

          1. cubbiekoolaid2015

            I sure hope you’re right man. I like the video I’m watching for what it’s worth. Ego will definitely fill some space with that size.

          2. Coop

            Yes that is a possibility. I just prefer going chalk when the pick is critical. Emery knows more about talent evaluation than I see do, so I’ll hope he is right. But there is often a consensus for a reason…

        2. frank

          For what it’s worth, NFL.com has a 2-3 round grade on Ferguson.

  3. cubbiekoolaid2015

    Trent Bulke… The guy knows what he’s doing.

  4. Austin

    Look, I’m not saying Emery is perfect. He’s not, no one is. But he deserves the benefit of the doubt until Ego actually suits up and plays a season worth of games. And especially don’t assume he isn’t trying to trade back because he most likely is but if no one is willing to move up then what is he going to do? He can only do so much when it comes to trading draft pic. Everyone seemed to believe Long was a bad pick last year yet look what he did. Same with Mills, I myself believed the Mills pick was horrible but he turned in a pretty good rookie season. Obviously the Shea pick was a bad one but he still has a chance to redeem himself this year.

    1. Coop

      Anyone in the 7th is not a bad pick…

      I would agree with benefit of the doubt, but Emery already lost that benefit with McClellin…

      1. Austin

        Mills was a 5th round pick. And there was some big names on the board left when he was taken.

  5. Nathan

    Shoot,

    I would have preferred Kelcy Quarles over Ferguson, and he would have been a huge reach as well.

  6. Austin

    Moving on from that, who are you guys looking at for the 3rd round pick (or what position do you want addressed)? Personally, I’m hoping for a LB.

    1. Coop

      Someone useful at appropriate value?

      1. Austin

        There’s your appropriate selection. Sutton is another good 3-Tech. Sutton might need to lose 10 or so pounds as playing over 300 last year seemed to decrease his production but maybe under Paul P he can learn how to use that 300+ lb weight to his advantage while still being an effective 3-Tech.

        1. cubbiekoolaid2015

          Very appropriate. Great value in my opinion.

        2. Nathan

          They say he has already lost some of the weight

  7. Coop

    I know, I am pulling a Kyle…

    1. Coop

      And I now feel dirty…

    2. Austin

      Shameful you are. Kyle wannabe haha.

      1. Coop

        Trust me, I don’t not want to be that perpetually negative…

        1. Austin

          It’s understandable, I used to be the same way especially under JA. He ruined watching the draft for me sometimes just knowing he was gonna screw it up somehow, thankfully the early return for Emery has been more good than bad so far. Hopefully that continues.

  8. cubbiekoolaid2015

    Alright, Emery you’re off the hook. They’re selecting Sutton in the third round! I love being an amateur who knows nothing!

    1. Coop

      Huh

  9. frank

    I’m surprised that they’ve picked 2 DTs. I would’ve thought Jean-Baptiste in the 2nd and then Sutton in the 3rd.

    1. Austin

      Two DT’s made more sense than 2 CB’s IMO. I dont believe either Baptiste or Fuller could move to S for the long haul and it’s easier to get DT’s snaps than DB’s given the bigger guys needing rest more often at DT. More rotational snaps at DT.

      1. frank

        That makes sense, but I believe Jean-Baptiste would’ve been moved to safety had they selected him. Then, provided the transition went well enough, they would’ve upgraded at safety and DT, and not just at DT. If he’s not a safety in the long run, then the plan would be to move him back when Jennings is gone, and then you have Fuller and Jean-Baptiste as your corners.

        I don’t think DT was that huge of a need to begin with, given that Houston is more likely than not to slide into the 3 technique position in nickel packages–which would be 40-50% of the time given the passing attacks in the division. I wouldn’t be surprised if Houston plays 3 technique a lot more than he plays at DE, given his ability there. Right now, the DTs are Ratliffe, Paea, Collins, and Houston part time.

        1. frank

          Just one more quick point–as it stands right now, the starting safeties are Mundy and Conte, or Mundy & MD Jennings. Not good.

        2. frank

          Oops–forgot Izzy.

        3. Austin

          Yup you have a point with that. My guess is maybe Emery and the scouts and coaches didn’t feel like Baptiste could make that transition smoothly enough. And yea Mundy is a good S as long as he has a good partner back there and sadly he does not have one at the moment. Maybe Conte or MD Jennings takes a step forward but I’m not too confident. But as long as you got a good front 7 which I believe the Bears are building a pretty scary good front 7 then you can get away with average to slightly below average guys in the back. So if all goes according to plan, I believe the Bears will be a good situation on D to have a ok to good D. It certainly won’t be anywhere close to Great which is ok with the O they have right now.

  10. Austin

    Also just some food for thought, Some people compared Sutton’s 2012 season to Donald’s season this year. Until he ballooned to 320 up a little less than 20 pounds from his 2012 season.

    1. Austin

      And just saw that Sutton himself said he is down to 290 so maybe that 2012 season could still be in him.

      1. Austin

        Looks like Nathan in comments above and Jay have seen the same about Sutton’s weight.

        1. frank

          Well, that’s a good sign.

        2. Nathan

          Thanks for the shout out ;)

    2. Coop

      I think safety was a bigger need. Nervous of disaster. Hope Emery is right.

      1. frank

        Agreed–wonder what the chances are the Desir or McGill will be on the board when the Bears pick in round 4 . . .

        1. Coop

          If they can get one of those two in the 4th, I will step back from the ledge…

      2. Austin

        Yea it’s not pretty back there but with the front 7 they are building you can get away with average to below average guys in the back. The less time QB’s have to pass the better your DB’s will look. But S will be the big position need next offseason even if they select a guy to plug in back there.

  11. cubbiekoolaid2015

    Ego was asked by the Bears if he can play the 2(which means that’s probably where he’s going to play most) and Sutton is strictly a 3. The Seahawks won the Super Bowl with a big, and very deep d-line. The Bears now have Allen, Houston, Paea, Young, Izzy, Sutton, Ego, Ratliff, and Collins on the d-line. That’s a lot of depth with a lot of potential. If the front can bring a consistent push, the safeties won’t be nearly as bad as last year and we may see at the very least a middle of the pack defense(which is all we need with a top offense already in place)

    I would still like to see a safety, linebacker, and tight end drafted.(Lyerla please)

  12. Nathan

    A lot of interesting names still available.

    Desir, McGill, Huff, Bailey, Aikens, Breeland, Gaines, Exum and Jaykins all in the secondary.

    Bradford, Tripp, Jones, and Smith at linebacker.

    De’Anthony Thomas and Lyerla still on the board as well.

    Would love for the Bears to pick of few of these names.

    1. Austin

      I really hope that Lyrela comes to the Bears. I think if given the change he will become a nightmare matchup for D-Cords for a very long time.

  13. Adam

    Dion Bailey or Ed Reynolds in round 4 would look really good.

  14. mdavis

    definitely hoping for a Desir, McGill, Reynolds, Breeland in 4-5. Storm Johnson is a stud RB who i think would be a steal if they wanted to go that route. Ellington and Bryant are a couple of good receivers if they wanted another weapon. But you gotta think they pick a S or a corner to convert at some point here

    1. Austin

      A good thing with Storm is he does’t have much wear and tear IIRC. With the transfer he hasn’t had many carries in college which always translate well as to the RB’s health. Another RB is Isaiah Crowell. I think he could turn out to be a top RB from this draft and if it wasn’t for his troubles at Georgia he probably would have been a top 3 round pick.

  15. Austin

    IMO I see a LB in the fourth round (a Shane Skov or Telvin Smith type of guy), another DB in Round 5, and then some O guys in the 6th round. RB and then either a TE or WR.

    1. mdavis

      yeah i wouldnt mind an LB. Bullough is still on the board but he has some weight, character issues.

      a non bears note….how the hell has Houston not taken a qb??? Passed on Carr and Garroppolo. Targeting Mettenberger, McCarron? Just doesn’t seem smart.

      1. mdavis

        there goes breeland.

      2. Austin

        I could see them trying to trade a guy like Ryan Mallet or another veteran that might be traded due to losing out his position to other guys. Raiders have a couple QB’s they might look to trade as well.

        1. mdavis

          yeah i was thinking maybe Mallet, but seems all reports are shooting that down…of course take that with a grain of salt as usual. I’m just surprised really though.

          1. Austin

            I think this was just a bad draft for QB’s. Theres good quantity but I don’t believe there good quality.

            1. mdavis

              see i think there was some talent. i like carr, jimmy g, i still think mettenberger can be a talent. he could be someone they are targeting. logan thomas has the tool kit but needs a lot of work.

              1. Austin

                Yea and you could be right, when I say not quality I’m thinking that most of the guys seem to have a ceiling of a “game manager” type of QB. I think Garappolo will become the best of the whole draft but thats only because of who he is playing for in Bellicheck and who is ahead of him for him to learn from. Other than that I’m seeing guys that end up like Trent Dilffer who’s team won the Superbowl despite him not because of him.

    2. cubbiekoolaid2015

      Love Skov. Would be ecstatic if we got him in the 4th or 5th round.

      1. Austin

        Same here, I loved watching him play in college.

      2. mdavis

        doesn’t he have some injury concerns? I wouldnt complain bout Skov I like him. I also like Bullough, but if he’s at a resonable weight. But he comes with baggage. Also, keep an eye on Smallwood from UConn. sounded like they liked him a lot

        1. Austin

          Yea I believe he does have some injury past, pretty much everyone at this point has some kind of baggage whether it’s injuries or off the field stuff. I’d like Smallwood as well, he would probably be available in the 5th round if they went with him.

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