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Cubs v. White Sox - June 18, 2012 (TV: WCIU)


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#91 rcleven

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 08:37 PM

Still have to get our starters going longer than 6. Pen gets over worked and their not that good.

I think its being seen as a good time to maybe let some struggling guys "get right". Not arguing your point either, but as long as no one works too long in these last innings, I think I'm OK with it

Camp's arm has got to be falling off by now. Outside of Camp and Russell their is no one I trust.
Starters pitch counts have all been 98-110 by the sixth and seventh.

#92 DocPeterWimsey

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 08:43 PM

Also, Garza is on the trade market, and this is the sort of night that artificially inflates ERAs. Also, they don't want to run up pitch counts on a guy that they are considering dealing for prospects.
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Posted 18 June 2012 - 08:46 PM

Also, Garza is on the trade market, and this is the sort of night that artificially inflates ERAs. Also, they don't want to run up pitch counts on a guy that they are considering dealing for prospects.

I will agree with you about Garza tonight but they just let Demp go 113 in his last outing.
Garza was in the mid 90's tonight.
Spellcheck was around 105 in his last start and went down in the fifth.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 08:47 PM

Camp has struggled a bit lately. Glad to see him doing well today. He's been worked hard, no doubt, but as doc mentioned, rather him than Garza, for the reasons stated above.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 08:50 PM


Also, Garza is on the trade market, and this is the sort of night that artificially inflates ERAs. Also, they don't want to run up pitch counts on a guy that they are considering dealing for prospects.

I will agree with you about Garza tonight but they just let Demp go 113 in his last outing.
Garza was in the mid 90's tonight.

Demp wasn't up 12-3. Plus he just went on the DL, so they may just be a little nervous and being over cautious with Garza. But I bet if the game were close Matty G goes deeper.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 08:53 PM

Also, with these conditions, it would be really easy for Garza to give up another couple of HR. As it is, he gets a quality start, and if anybody looks, then they'll see that he probably got it in tough conditions given the Cubs' score. If they don't look, then they'll just see the QS. I'd rather have it so that Theo & Jed can say "it was even better than it looked" than "it wasn't as bad as it looked."
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Posted 18 June 2012 - 08:56 PM

Corpas make them corpses and end this one for the Gipper.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 09:00 PM

......and Manny does So........

#99 rcleven

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 09:01 PM

Also, with these conditions, it would be really easy for Garza to give up another couple of HR. As it is, he gets a quality start, and if anybody looks, then they'll see that he probably got it in tough conditions given the Cubs' score. If they don't look, then they'll just see the QS. I'd rather have it so that Theo & Jed can say "it was even better than it looked" than "it wasn't as bad as it looked."

I think the league already knows what you get with Garza. All I am stating is our starting pitchers are not going deep into games. When you are putting the ball into the hands of three relief pitchers with our pen chances are not good for success.




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