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The 80 Rating - A project for anyone with more time than me


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#1 MichiganGoat

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 12:13 PM

So I'd love to see a list of players that have been rated as an 80, what I'm looking for is how often do these players flame out.  Where is this information found?  Does anyone know of any bust that were rated as 80-power?  If anyone finds this the next beer is on me.

 


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Posted 16 May 2013 - 12:36 PM

I have found these that are interesting.

How the Pro Scouts scout players

Predicting the Power Tool using Metrics

Prodpect would you Rather

Not exactly what you were looking for but it's a start.


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Posted 16 May 2013 - 01:49 PM

I dont have a list but Stanton and Harper both have 80 power. Im pretty sure Furcal (in his prime) and Simmons both have 80 arms. Billy Hamilton has 80 speed but those are really the only ones i can think of off the top of my head



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Posted 16 May 2013 - 06:19 PM

What did Campana's speed rate on an 80 scale?

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 08:04 PM

What did Campana's speed rate on an 80 scale?

Since he was never a prospect it was never rated.


Just kidding, I never heard a scout talk about him (there's another joke in there too) but he would have to be an 80. He really does have game changing speed. Too bad he is never on base.

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 08:14 PM

Found what I was looking for finally.  Saw this at some point and it would be helpful for anyone looking to do this.

It is a list of the current top 100 prospects and their rankings on the 20/80 scale by baseball america. Plus some other sites I found just browsing for a bit

 

http://www.baseballa...13/2614739.html

 

http://80grade.com/

 

http://www.fangraphs...ale-sabr-style/

 

I'm finding it difficult to find 20/80 grades for players currently in the majors from when they were still considered prospects.



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Posted 16 May 2013 - 08:29 PM

List:
1. Sano
2. Stanton
3. Harper
4. Furcal
5. Simmons
6. Hamilton
7. Campana
8. Bruce Rondon (80 fastball)
9. Roman Quinn (80 speed)

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 08:31 PM

10. Joey Gallo maybe?

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 09:16 PM

Bourn and Trout have an 80 rated speed tool. 

Harper has 80 power and 80 arm

As far as this year's draft, besides Bryant's power at 80, Gray's fastball is rated 80, and Matt MacPhearson has an 80 speed tool. 



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Posted 16 May 2013 - 09:31 PM

I did some searching and I can't find anything that give a list of prior 80-Power players and where they end up. I'm trying to gauge just how impressive 80 is and how it predicts future success. If Harper and Upton were the last two then that's impressive- but where are the busts? Surely there are a handful?

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 10:06 PM

80 is extremely impressive.  Just being in that conversation is an accolade worth noting.

 

Like any tool, though, it doesn't make a guy bust proof.  Tony Campana has amazing speed. He can't get on base, so the tool is effectively wasted.  The same thing can happen to any tool if there isn't a supporting set of skills.



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Posted 17 May 2013 - 03:25 AM

I suspect Junior Lake has an 80 arm and Aroldys Chapman had an 80 fastball as a prospect.



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Posted 17 May 2013 - 06:08 AM

I did some searching and I can't find anything that give a list of prior 80-Power players and where they end up. I'm trying to gauge just how impressive 80 is and how it predicts future success. If Harper and Upton were the last two then that's impressive- but where are the busts? Surely there are a handful?

Sano may be one sometime soon. His bad no like curve-ball.


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 07:01 AM

From what I found it sounds like 80 speed is one of the more common ones but that says nothing about ability to hit the ball.  80 power is uncommon but I can not find any prospect with an 80 hit tool and only Miguel Cabrera as an example of a current MLB player with an 80 hit tool.



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Posted 17 May 2013 - 07:10 AM

From what I found it sounds like 80 speed is one of the more common ones but that says nothing about ability to hit the ball.  80 power is uncommon but I can not find any prospect with an 80 hit tool and only Miguel Cabrera as an example of a current MLB player with an 80 hit tool.

From a 2011 article

Kevin Goldstein, Ben Badler, and Jim Callis noted that MLB regulars with 80 hit tools included Albert Pujols, Ichrio, and Joe Mauer.


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