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Trade Idea that won't be taken well.


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#1 KCubsfan

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 12:22 AM

These are ideas that won't be popular but its not giving away players either.


Cubs Trade Starlin Castro to the Mariners for Brendan Ryan (temp at SS), Taijaun Walker RHP, Danny Hultzen LHP, Brad Miller SS, and Carter Capps RHP.

#2 calicubsfan007

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 03:28 AM

This will be fun to see the responses for this...



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Posted 22 June 2013 - 09:27 AM

This will be fun to see the responses for this...


If you look return they aren't giving away Castro though. 2 of those player are top 50 maybe top 25 players. I also think Miller is underrated and Capps can hit 99. The only player that maybe considered a throw in is Ryan and he is a gold glove Caliber SS with a lightly bat.

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 09:36 AM

I love Castro and will defend that kid to the end but even I would do that trade in a second. The only problem is Seattle wouldn't. If they trade Hultzen and Walker it's bc the GM has to save his job and he's getting a big name like Stanton.

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 10:01 AM

I love Castro and will defend that kid to the end but even I would do that trade in a second. The only problem is Seattle wouldn't. If they trade Hultzen and Walker it's bc the GM has to save his job and he's getting a big name like Stanton.


That is about what they were offering The DBacks for Upton. And Upton is much more expensive and not a premiere Position at SS. And as far as GM are concerned Castro is a big name. Stanton yes is big name but ownership is asking they aren't going to trade him and his injury history is terrible.

That about what they were offering

I love Castro and will defend that kid to the end but even I would do that trade in a second. The only problem is Seattle wouldn't. If they trade Hultzen and Walker it's bc the GM has to save his job and he's getting a big name like Stanton.



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Posted 22 June 2013 - 10:06 AM

I love Castro and will defend that kid to the end but even I would do that trade in a second. The only problem is Seattle wouldn't. If they trade Hultzen and Walker it's bc the GM has to save his job and he's getting a big name like Stanton.


By the way like Castro and it would take that return for me to justify trading him.

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 11:27 AM

I dont see Seattle doing this. When right Upton can be a top 10 player in the game regardless of his position, the same cannot be said about Castro. Plus this would be dealing him at his lowest possible value (that we have seen so far), something that would most likely limit the return. That being said I would love for this trade to happen and i have a slight man-crush on Walker and his plus FB/Plus CB combo <3.

 

If this trade were to somehow happen I could see Barney moving to SS for Watkins to take over at 2B. I love Ryan's glove but on a team that already cant hit, give Watkins his shot, at least he has some offensive upside



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Posted 22 June 2013 - 01:59 PM

NICK FRANKLIN (1st round draft pick in 2009, #27 overall), Switch hitter

83 AB, .277/.362/.494/.856 in 24 games at SS for the Mariners.

 

When Dustin Ackley comes back to play 2B, Franklin and his hot start will move over to SS. The Mariners have no need for Castro. 

 

With Franklin Gutierrez on the 60-Day DL (and a 0.5M buyout next year), DeJesus (when he comes back) would be an upgrade in CF over Endy Chavez and his weak OBP & SLG.

 

Brendan Ryan in June: .172/.243/.203

Starlin Castro in June: .133/.177/.200

Darwin Barney in June: .257/.282/.365

 

The Mariners need:

CATCHER (Zunino was called up too soon)

STARTING PITCHER (to replace Harang)

CENTER FIELDER (to replace Gutierrez next year, Chavez this year)

SHORTSTOP (gold glove who is not slumping)

 

C Dioner Navarro (one year rental)

SP Travis Wood (arb eligible '14)

SP/LR Carlos Villanueva ($5M in '14)

CF David DeJesus ($6.5M '14 option)

IF Darwin Barney (arb eligible '14)

RP Rafael Dolis (under control)

 

 

for

 

RHSP Tijuan Walker (#1)

LHSP Danny Hultzen (#2)

SS Brad Miller (#6)

OF Julio Morban (#11)



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Posted 22 June 2013 - 04:21 PM

NICK FRANKLIN (1st round draft pick in 2009, #27 overall), Switch hitter

83 AB, .277/.362/.494/.856 in 24 games at SS for the Mariners.

 

When Dustin Ackley comes back to play 2B, Franklin and his hot start will move over to SS. The Mariners have no need for Castro. 

 

With Franklin Gutierrez on the 60-Day DL (and a 0.5M buyout next year), DeJesus (when he comes back) would be an upgrade in CF over Endy Chavez and his weak OBP & SLG.

 

Brendan Ryan in June: .172/.243/.203

Starlin Castro in June: .133/.177/.200

Darwin Barney in June: .257/.282/.365

 

The Mariners need:

CATCHER (Zunino was called up too soon)

STARTING PITCHER (to replace Harang)

CENTER FIELDER (to replace Gutierrez next year, Chavez this year)

SHORTSTOP (gold glove who is not slumping)

 

C Dioner Navarro (one year rental)

SP Travis Wood (arb eligible '14)

SP/LR Carlos Villanueva ($5M in '14)

CF David DeJesus ($6.5M '14 option)

IF Darwin Barney (arb eligible '14)

RP Rafael Dolis (under control)

 

 

for

 

RHSP Tijuan Walker (#1)

LHSP Danny Hultzen (#2)

SS Brad Miller (#6)

OF Julio Morban (#11)

This is terrible. You say they have no need for Castro (still one of the brightest young bats in the game) but then say they need a SS and would rather have an all glove 2B to replace their all glove current SS (the best in the game)? Nah, and sense you seem to be big on Franklin lets not forget that Castro is exactly ONE YEAR OLDER but has 2000 MLB AB's.  You also say they need SP so you have them deal an almost MLB ready quality LHP and a potential ace for a swing man and an older quality LHP. 

 

On top of all that they are losing player wise the M's are 11 games back in a division with 2 of the better teams in the AL (not to mention LAA, who has as much talent as anyone). Why would they make such short sighted moves and deal their best two prospects without getting an impact MLB'er back?



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Posted 22 June 2013 - 05:47 PM

C Dioner Navarro (one year rental)

SP Travis Wood (arb eligible '14)

SP/LR Carlos Villanueva ($5M in '14)

CF David DeJesus ($6.5M '14 option)

IF Darwin Barney (arb eligible '14)

RP Rafael Dolis (under control)

 

 

for

 

RHSP Tijuan Walker (#1)

LHSP Danny Hultzen (#2)

SS Brad Miller (#6)

OF Julio Morban (#11)

 

 

That is ridiculous.  The Mariners wouldn't sniff either of those deals.



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Posted 22 June 2013 - 08:04 PM

Why do we keep playing this game of "our prospects and average MLB player are better than every other team"

If you flipped the player's team everyone would be on here screaming about how horrible that trade would be for the Cubs. Too many rose colored glasses on here lately and a belief that every other team has idiots as GM.

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 08:20 PM

OKAY, add a struggling Starlin Castro to that mix:

 

Castro, DeJesus, Wood, Villanueva, Barney, Dolis, Navarro

for

Walker

Holtzen

Miller

Borban



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Posted 22 June 2013 - 10:06 PM

C Dioner Navarro (one year rental)
SP Travis Wood (arb eligible '14)
SP/LR Carlos Villanueva ($5M in '14)
CF David DeJesus ($6.5M '14 option)
IF Darwin Barney (arb eligible '14)
RP Rafael Dolis (under control)
 
 
for
 
RHSP Tijuan Walker (#1)
LHSP Danny Hultzen (#2)
SS Brad Miller (#6)
OF Julio Morban (#11)
 .


Sorry but that's like trading Baez, Almora, Pierce Johnson and Brett Jackson for say Henry Blanco, Blake Beavan, Charlue Furbush, Gutierrez and Dustin Ackley it makes no sense. And if you add Castro to that group that's way overpaying for unproven players with numerous proven MLB players

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 10:38 PM

 

This will be fun to see the responses for this...


If you look return they aren't giving away Castro though. 2 of those player are top 50 maybe top 25 players. I also think Miller is underrated and Capps can hit 99. The only player that maybe considered a throw in is Ryan and he is a gold glove Caliber SS with a lightly bat.

 

I was curious where the defending would be coming from more than anything else.  Wasn't, and still not, leaning one way or another.



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Posted 27 June 2013 - 07:23 PM

Quantity does not equal quality.

 

 

Wait, let me try that again.

 

 

QUANTITY DOES NOT EQUAL QUALITY!  

 

 

Any questions?






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