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The "I am done with Starlin Castro" bandwagon thread...


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#31 MichiganGoat

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 08:38 PM

Agreed there are better stats to look at but at least they are stats and not speculation.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 09:33 PM

http://www.npr.org/t...oryId=210218257

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 09:40 PM

http://www.newsday.c...armacy-1.895652

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 09:49 PM

Okay so based on this you are saying it's perfectly valid to lump Castro into the PED discussion... that's still quite thin. But I'm done discussing this until you have direct evidence that links Castro to PEDs your just fishing for an excuse. Hell why don't we just suspect every player from the DR to PED abuse.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 09:55 PM

 

I was afraid you'd dredge that one up.

 

NPR though they spotted a trend in that 8 of the 13 were from the Dominican Republic and proceeded to try to investigate.  In the course of that they admit that:

  • The most likely age bracket to be using would be those under 16 who have not yet been signed,
  • There is nothing more than speculation to support that claim,
  • That the academies from which virtually every IFA is signed holds extensive drug testing and education programs,
  • That despite other Caribbean countries having similar drug policies they cannot come up with an objective basis for the perceived imbalance in players from the DR testing positive, 
  • None of this mattered in the slightest to the "investigators" as they tried to draw their conclusions.

And from that you're trying to claim that because Castro is from the DR he is or has been on drugs?  That's a thin basis.  To put it kindly.



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Posted 19 August 2013 - 09:55 PM

 Hell why don't we just suspect every player from the DR to PED abuse.

 

According to his initial post in this thread, he probably does.



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Posted 19 August 2013 - 10:00 PM

I'm not fishing, Luke wanted credible sources that have seen the drug problem. The testing had only recently been implemented down there. Like I said, I'm not alleging he did those things, it's just more likely.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 10:02 PM

More concerning to me is that people are okay making such libelous and slanderous accusations because they have one dot to try and connect preconceived notions. If I was Castro and somebody write this on a larger forum I'd be having my attorney making a call.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 10:07 PM

. Like I said, I'm not alleging he did those things, it's just more likely.

But why because of his country of origin? I have a German last name and family from Germany so should I be discussed as possibly bring a Nazi because its more likely than say a Native American?

It's just very irresponsible to start to throw this out and if you were writing for a paper your editor will shut this connection down immedately. We have to be better than this.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 10:07 PM

The testing had only recently been implemented down there. 

 

I think you're wrong on that.

 

The minor leagues have had very tough drug testing policies well in advance of those policies arriving in the majors, and the DR teams are (to my knowledge) governed by those MiLB standards.

 

I remember DSL drug violations being reported and suspended going back at least ten years, for example.



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Posted 19 August 2013 - 10:11 PM

I'm not saying my neighbor is a murderer but he owns a chainsaw and grew up next to Charles Manson... So it's more likely.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 10:17 PM

More concerning to me is that people are okay making such libelous and slanderous accusations because they have one dot to try and connect preconceived notions. If I was Castro and somebody write this on a larger forum I'd be having my attorney making a call.

Well, it's not libelous AND slanderous... ;)



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Posted 19 August 2013 - 10:18 PM

Everyone is entitled to their opinions. Do I think Castro is clean? Yes. Do I think there's a higher probability of players from Central America who are doping because it's more readily available to them? Yes. Do I need to have concrete evidence in order to voice my opinion or sway my opinion? No. If you're in a profession, certain stigmas you can't shake, no matter how hard you try as an individual.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 10:22 PM

More concerning to me is that people are okay making such libelous and slanderous accusations because they have one dot to try and connect preconceived notions. If I was Castro and somebody write this on a larger forum I'd be having my attorney making a call.

Well, it's not libelous AND slanderous... ;)
Well if it's read out load while being printed can't it be both? Or does one trump the other in that case?

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 10:24 PM

In your first post you said:

 

 

Just by mentioning that he is from the DR will let everyone know what I could be hinting at, but let me point out that he has declined every year since the year after his call up... 

 

And now you say:

 

Do I think Castro is clean? Yes.

 

So which is it?  Do you think he's clean?  Or are you so convinced he's a Braun-esque cheat that you go out of your way to call attention to it?  

 

The two don't mesh.

 

If you think being from the DR and having a bad season means he is probably nothing but a drugged up fraud, then at least have the guts to say so.  Don't play the "hint hint" game and then back down as soon as anyone asks for your reasons.






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