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How many of these do you wish we had?? I vote to stick to the plan


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#1 headscratchin

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Posted 14 December 2013 - 12:26 PM

Player,             Club    Years   Total

Alex Rodriguez, NYY 2008-17$275 million

Alex Rodriguez, Tex-NYY 2001-10 $252 million

Joey Votto, Cin 2012-23 $251.5 million

Albert Pujols, LAA 2012-21 $240 million

Robinson Cano, Sea 2014-23 $240 million

Prince Fielder, Det-Tex 2012-20 $214 million

Derek Jeter, NYY 2001-10 $189 million

Joe Mauer, Min 2011-18 $184 million

Mark Teixeira, NYY 2009-16 $180 million

Justin Verlander, Det 2013-19 $180 million

Felix Hernandez, Sea 2013-19 $175 million



#2 headscratchin

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Posted 14 December 2013 - 12:29 PM

That was such a pretty chart from Fox Sports when I pasted it in here,,,,  



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Posted 14 December 2013 - 01:05 PM

Player,             Club    Years   Total

Alex Rodriguez, NYY 2008-17$275 million

Alex Rodriguez, Tex-NYY 2001-10 $252 million

Joey Votto, Cin 2012-23 $251.5 million

Albert Pujols, LAA 2012-21 $240 million

Robinson Cano, Sea 2014-23 $240 million

Prince Fielder, Det-Tex 2012-20 $214 million

Derek Jeter, NYY 2001-10 $189 million

Joe Mauer, Min 2011-18 $184 million

Mark Teixeira, NYY 2009-16 $180 million

Justin Verlander, Det 2013-19 $180 million

Felix Hernandez, Sea 2013-19 $175 million

I'll take these three all day long and twice on Sunday



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Posted 14 December 2013 - 01:09 PM

 

Player,             Club    Years   Total

Alex Rodriguez, NYY 2008-17$275 million

Alex Rodriguez, Tex-NYY 2001-10 $252 million

Joey Votto, Cin 2012-23 $251.5 million

Albert Pujols, LAA 2012-21 $240 million

Robinson Cano, Sea 2014-23 $240 million

Prince Fielder, Det-Tex 2012-20 $214 million

Derek Jeter, NYY 2001-10 $189 million

Joe Mauer, Min 2011-18 $184 million

Mark Teixeira, NYY 2009-16 $180 million

Justin Verlander, Det 2013-19 $180 million

Felix Hernandez, Sea 2013-19 $175 million

I'll take these three all day long and twice on Sunday

 

those 3 would be the only ones i'd consider. Votto is the only one i'd take for certain.



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Posted 14 December 2013 - 01:43 PM

The only thing that bothers me about Votto is the length of the contract.  If he has fallen apart by 2020 or so, I guess you just cut him and be happy with the years you got. Sure could make things interesting for a few years around then with a small market team and that much dead money on the books.  But "Win Now" mode generally means sacrifice the future for the present to at least some extent.

 

I'll actually be happy when we need to make a decision about long term investments like that!



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Posted 14 December 2013 - 02:22 PM

Could you imagine having Verlander and Hernandez in the same Cub rotation.

Of coarse you still would have score a run or two.



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Posted 15 December 2013 - 12:14 AM

 

 

Player,             Club    Years   Total

Alex Rodriguez, NYY 2008-17$275 million

Alex Rodriguez, Tex-NYY 2001-10 $252 million

Joey Votto, Cin 2012-23 $251.5 million

Albert Pujols, LAA 2012-21 $240 million

Robinson Cano, Sea 2014-23 $240 million

Prince Fielder, Det-Tex 2012-20 $214 million

Derek Jeter, NYY 2001-10 $189 million

Joe Mauer, Min 2011-18 $184 million

Mark Teixeira, NYY 2009-16 $180 million

Justin Verlander, Det 2013-19 $180 million

Felix Hernandez, Sea 2013-19 $175 million

I'll take these three all day long and twice on Sunday

 

those 3 would be the only ones i'd consider. Votto is the only one i'd take for certain.

 

 

If we are strictly looking this point forward, you will soon be not liking the Verlander contract.  Votto probably has 2 more years before the pain starts setting in and Hernandez is the best of the bunch.

 

It is interesting how the best of those contracts feature no free agent deals.



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Posted 15 December 2013 - 07:51 AM

This is an excellent post!  and to be fair to Headscratchin', notice the ones people say they would "take" were signed by the teams that brought them up...

 

this illustrates why the Cubs are going about it the right way...young players with upside just don't become free-agents anymore...unless they are Japanese imports...consider this as well

 

2016 ANGELS- Hamilton 32.4M, Pujols 25M, Weaver 20.5M, CJ Wilson 20.2M...97.6 Million, 4 players on the decline

 

2017 DODGERS(YES 2017!)- Greinke 25M, AGonzalez 22.4M, Kemp 21.7M,Crawford 21.9M, Eithier 17.5M...108 Million for 5 players...after 3 more full seasons!

 

hope these teams win it in the next couple of years...



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Posted 15 December 2013 - 07:53 AM

Votto is just way to long, Verlander is starting to decline but in today's market that's not that horrible, but I'd take the King Felix contract anyday but I'm sure it would annoy me toward the end.

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 08:02 AM

Agreed Chris the only way these 8-10 year contracts make sense is if you pay it before they hit free agency. I waiting for a team to decide and give a player a 10 year contract before they hit arbitration. I'm curious how the Angels will handle Trout and if I was his agent wouldn't I want him to hit free agency and would I want the Cubs to pay the 300M that he will demand?

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 09:36 AM

I agree the length of the contracts are a concern, but the idea (to me at least) is that the good in the early years will greatly outweigh the bad at the end.



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Posted 15 December 2013 - 12:35 PM

I agree the length of the contracts are a concern, but the idea (to me at least) is that the good in the early years will greatly outweigh the bad at the end.


That's the idea but as PEDs get flushed out of baseball, 30 year olds are going to start aging like 30 year olds; however, you're going to start seeing more guys take fewer years in an arb buyout so they can get massive paydays in free agency so you should start seeing more guys hit FA at 27-28 whrre you can get 3 good years out of them.

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 03:45 PM

I posted this in reaction to all the comments about buying proven talent vs. those saying only one in 10 prospects make it.  Looks to me like buying talent has close to the same odds of long term success as building from within. Of course if you do need that one special fit free agent to get you over the top, then the long term pain is probably worth it.  In my opinion, we're not to the point yet where a major free agent might put us over the top so I didn't mind us setting out on the big contracts this year.



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Posted 15 December 2013 - 04:07 PM

Votto is just way to long, Verlander is starting to decline but in today's market that's not that horrible, but I'd take the King Felix contract anyday but I'm sure it would annoy me toward the end.

 

Yeah, Votto is awesome and I would love to have him be a Cub... but Reds fans are going to cringe at the mere mention of his name the last few years of that contract.


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Posted 15 December 2013 - 05:55 PM

I've got three picks. One of those is not on the list...

 

Yu Darvish is my 3rd pick. Posting fee of $63M and makes ~$10M per; free agent in '18. Has better splits in Texas, a hitter-friendly park. Solid starter. 

 

King Felix would be my 2nd pick. He's a #1 starter and got paid like one. He's 3 years younger than Verlander for basically the same money. Having Felix means we don't need Edwin Jackson. Anibal Sanchez probably signs with us instead of Detroit, having a chance to win in Chicago. Having an abundance of pitching, we can move Samardzija to the Royals and acquire Wil Myers and more. Maybe we can make that trade for Choo that the Reds made and extend him.

 

Joe Mauer would be my 1st pick, because of the time of acquisition, he'd be catching and that would have given Castillo more time to work on his defense in the minors (also a call-up when Mauer got injured in 2011 and played 82 games) and be ready to start catching this year, when Mauer moves to 1B. Having said that, Mauer to 1B, means we would have traded Andrew Cashner for Jedd Gyorko instead of Anthony Rizzo.

 

[22.5] SP Felix Hernandez 6.0 WAR in 2013

[18.0] SP Anibal Sanchez 6.2 WAR in 2013

[10.0] SP Yu Darvish 5.0 WAR in 2013

[3.60] SP Travis Wood (L) 2.8 WAR in 2013

[05.0] SP Villanueva 1.0 WAR in 2013

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59.10

 

[7.40] RF Shin-Soo Choo (L) 5.2 WAR in 2013

[0.55] CF Wil Myers 2.4 WAR in 2013 (+ DeJesus' 2.0 WAR before trade)

[20.5] 1B Joe Mauer (L) 5.2 WAR in 2013

[0.55] 2B Jedd Gyorko 2.5 WAR in 2013

[18.0] LF Alfonso Soriano 2.9 WAR in 2013

[1.30] 3B Valbuena (L) / Murphy 2.8 WAR in 2013

[2.55] C Castillo / Navarro (S) 4.9 WAR in 2013

[5.00] SS Starlin Castro -0.1 WAR in 2013

[1.65] 3 bench guys 1.1, 1.0, and 0.5 WAR 

57.50

(= 51.4 WAR) = $166.1M in savings market valued @ $5.5M per 1 win above replacement

19.80 bullpen guys (-0.5 WAR) = 50.9 WAR

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136.4 + 2 + 4 + 7.7

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150.1 Payroll

 

Highest combined team WAR last year

#1. 36.6 - Red Sox (champions)

#2. 30.3 - Rays

#3. 27.6 - Athletics

#4. 27.5 - Dodgers

#5. 26.6 - Orioles

#6. 26.5 - Tigers

#7. 26.4 - Angels (missed playoffs)

#8. 26.3 - Giants (missed playoffs)

#9. 24.4 - Reds

#10. 23.3 - Cardinals

#11. 23.2 - Pirates






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