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THEO...LOOK!...ANOTHER TRADEABLE ASSET! (other than Garza!)


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#1 Oswego Chris

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Posted 25 December 2011 - 04:06 PM

The Red Sox and Yankees are apparently interested in 37 year old free-agent Hiroki Kuroda. Kuroda is looking for a one year deal between 12-13 million. The demand for quality starters may have never been as high as it is right now. How about this:

Last 4 years:

Hiroki Kuroda 41-46, Ryan Dempster 53-41
Hiroki Kuroda 699 IP, Ryan Dempster 824
Hiroki Kuroda 523 K's, Ryan Dempster 699
Hiroki Kuroda 3.45, Ryan Dempster 3.81
Hiroki Kuroda 8.6 WAR, Ryan Dempster 11.7 WAR
Kuroda will be 37 on opening day, Dempster 35...Kuroda has also pitched in a far better pitchers park the last 4 years...if the Cubs would eat some of Dempsters 14 million for 2012..would he not be just as good an option as Kuroda? Thoughts?

* wasn't sure if Demp had a no trade(should have assumed he did, it was standard Cub policy) and I had to rush to press as I was being called to Christmas dinner...as Brett and MG point out, he does, that could be a problem but I hope they explore it....

#2 Brett

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Posted 25 December 2011 - 04:56 PM

The no-trade rights would be a hurdle. Perhaps a full-scale rebuild would change Dempster's mind, though...

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Posted 25 December 2011 - 05:02 PM

Doesn't Demp have a full no-trade clause?

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#4 Oswego Chris

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Posted 25 December 2011 - 05:31 PM

Yankees?..Rothschild?....

yeah I forgot how much he likes living in the neighborhood and riding his bike to games..

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Posted 25 December 2011 - 06:37 PM

I think Dempster qualifies as a 10/5 guy so he has no trade rights whether it was in his contract or not. Most of the guys that we complain about having no trade clauses have them from the CBA and not from the wording in their contract. At least at this point in time, maybe not at the signing of the contract.

#6 Brett

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Posted 25 December 2011 - 08:33 PM

I think Dempster qualifies as a 10/5 guy so he has no trade rights whether it was in his contract or not. Most of the guys that we complain about having no trade clauses have them from the CBA and not from the wording in their contract. At least at this point in time, maybe not at the signing of the contract.

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Posted 25 December 2011 - 08:48 PM

Very interesting points! I dig Demp as a quality clubhouse person. Is it wrong to keep someone because of their Harry Caray impression?
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#8 Ron

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Posted 25 December 2011 - 11:39 PM

The numbers are pretty similar but what would they give up for him? Even if the Cubs ate 7 mil of Dempster's contract would a potential long term cost controlled player be worth one year for only saving 5 mil? I don't see much value here until the trade deadline when 1/2 the contract is already gone and there is a more pressing need. Don't get me wrong , I like they way you are thinking but I don't see a very good return here.

#9 Fishin Phil

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Posted 26 December 2011 - 01:42 AM

I think Dempster is more likely a trade deadline deal.
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Posted 26 December 2011 - 02:17 PM

I think Dempster qualifies as a 10/5 guy so he has no trade rights whether it was in his contract or not. Most of the guys that we complain about having no trade clauses have them from the CBA and not from the wording in their contract. At least at this point in time, maybe not at the signing of the contract.

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Posted 26 December 2011 - 03:55 PM

Only vaguely related to the topic...
I believe Dempster's first game as a Cub was Nomar's first game as a Cub in 2004. Also the first game Maddux tried to win #300. I was at that game because someone from the Scout message board bought a chunk of tickets so we could all hang out in person. Good time.

#12 Brett

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Posted 26 December 2011 - 05:57 PM

I think Dempster is more likely a trade deadline deal.

I think so, too.




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