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#16 dkhockey24

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 01:36 PM

Fascinating stuff, the 3-0 strikes don't really surprise me but the 2 strike misses are ridiculous.

Do you guys really think that umpires consider who is pitching/batting when making calls? I know that people talk about it all the time, but umps have about one second to make a call. Obviously the count and pitch location make a difference, but I feel like the pitcher/hitter wouldn't really be considered. Unless the ump has already made up his mind before the pitch is even thrown...

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 02:09 PM



Do you guys really think that umpires consider who is pitching/batting when making calls? I know that people talk about it all the time, but umps have about one second to make a call.


I really think it makes a difference. I also think it makes a difference if the pitcher is having a really good game or if he's have a shitty game. A pitcher that's been all around the strike zone all day, I think, is more likely to get borderline calls than someone who has had crazy control all game.

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 02:24 PM

Yes, a local sports radio station has a program in the winter with Tim McClellan and another ump as the hosts. I don't remember if they have said it in so many words or if I picked up on it by reading between the lines, but the umps are VERY aware of who is on the mound, the game situation, who is at the plate, etc... when they are calling the game. How much it affects their game calling is dependant on the ump but they are aware of it.

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 02:26 PM

Fascinating stuff, the 3-0 strikes don't really surprise me but the 2 strike misses are ridiculous.

Do you guys really think that umpires consider who is pitching/batting when making calls? I know that people talk about it all the time, but umps have about one second to make a call. Obviously the count and pitch location make a difference, but I feel like the pitcher/hitter wouldn't really be considered. Unless the ump has already made up his mind before the pitch is even thrown...

I don't think they "consider" anything when they make the calls. Not the pitcher, batter, or what the count is. What I think happens is that all of those things factor into what the umpire anticipates the result of the pitch will be. They anticipate that 0-2 pitches will be well out of the zone, 3-0 pitches will be right down the middle, and that Roy Halladay will paint the corner. So, that's the way they call it. The call, in itself, is just a reaction, but it is heavily influenced by their expected outcome.

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 03:29 PM


Fascinating stuff, the 3-0 strikes don't really surprise me but the 2 strike misses are ridiculous.

Do you guys really think that umpires consider who is pitching/batting when making calls? I know that people talk about it all the time, but umps have about one second to make a call. Obviously the count and pitch location make a difference, but I feel like the pitcher/hitter wouldn't really be considered. Unless the ump has already made up his mind before the pitch is even thrown...

I don't think they "consider" anything when they make the calls. Not the pitcher, batter, or what the count is. What I think happens is that all of those things factor into what the umpire anticipates the result of the pitch will be. They anticipate that 0-2 pitches will be well out of the zone, 3-0 pitches will be right down the middle, and that Roy Halladay will paint the corner. So, that's the way they call it. The call, in itself, is just a reaction, but it is heavily influenced by their expected outcome.


Thats a damn good point, Sir

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 11:07 PM



Fascinating stuff, the 3-0 strikes don't really surprise me but the 2 strike misses are ridiculous.

Do you guys really think that umpires consider who is pitching/batting when making calls? I know that people talk about it all the time, but umps have about one second to make a call. Obviously the count and pitch location make a difference, but I feel like the pitcher/hitter wouldn't really be considered. Unless the ump has already made up his mind before the pitch is even thrown...

I don't think they "consider" anything when they make the calls. Not the pitcher, batter, or what the count is. What I think happens is that all of those things factor into what the umpire anticipates the result of the pitch will be. They anticipate that 0-2 pitches will be well out of the zone, 3-0 pitches will be right down the middle, and that Roy Halladay will paint the corner. So, that's the way they call it. The call, in itself, is just a reaction, but it is heavily influenced by their expected outcome.


Thats a damn good point, Sir

Agreed, great point.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 10:12 AM




Fascinating stuff, the 3-0 strikes don't really surprise me but the 2 strike misses are ridiculous.

Do you guys really think that umpires consider who is pitching/batting when making calls? I know that people talk about it all the time, but umps have about one second to make a call. Obviously the count and pitch location make a difference, but I feel like the pitcher/hitter wouldn't really be considered. Unless the ump has already made up his mind before the pitch is even thrown...

I don't think they "consider" anything when they make the calls. Not the pitcher, batter, or what the count is. What I think happens is that all of those things factor into what the umpire anticipates the result of the pitch will be. They anticipate that 0-2 pitches will be well out of the zone, 3-0 pitches will be right down the middle, and that Roy Halladay will paint the corner. So, that's the way they call it. The call, in itself, is just a reaction, but it is heavily influenced by their expected outcome.


Thats a damn good point, Sir

Agreed, great point.

Gee, thanks guys!




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