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[Hangman]

Let me start off by saying, I didn't like this trade when it happened. But I have liked watching evolve from a throw to a true Pitcher. I think he is the best pitcher on the staff and one of the best in the Division.

With all that being said He has a lot of trade value in a FA market that is thin at best. It is thinner then last years, so a Pitcher with Playoff exprience and under 30 with 2 years under contract is worth a lot.

What do you guys think.

[Fishin Phil]

The one and only thing I would not trade away is quality starting pitching. He is arguably the only true quality starter we have, and he is young enough to build around. Garza and maybe Castro are the only two pieces I would not consider trading.

[LARRY]

Agreed. I'm all for a re-build, but there some things that must be kept. A quality start every 5 days is a treasure; a quality start every 5 starts (Coleman), not so much.

[Brett]

I'd listen to any offers (which I would do for any player - you'd be crazy not to), but I'd probably be intrigued only by an offer that included two or three ML-ready, young arms. And I'm talking GOOD, ML-ready arms.

[Fishin Phil]

I'd listen to any offers (which I would do for any player - you'd be crazy not to), but I'd probably be intrigued only by an offer that included two or three ML-ready, young arms. And I'm talking GOOD, ML-ready arms.

OK, but unless Jim Hendry gets a GM gig at another team, I can't see anyone making that type of offer.

[EQ76]

i would consider a trade if the Cubs will truly be in a rebuild..but that won't happen.. Ricketts wants to follow the Red Sox model, we have a huge market team, tons of money available, large payroll, no way on earth do they rebuild. they are gonna spend the next couple of off seasons.

I think the Cubs will absolutely go after Fielder and make another splash or two this off season. Trading Garza will not happen because this team will not rebuild.

[Hangman]

Here is the thing the Rangers were offering 3 ML player and other for Garza. The reports are they offered Holland, Franisco, Chirinco (which would get from the cubs along with Dolis for ODay and Chris Davis) and a Prospect. So the Rangers were will to give up 4 player with ML experience and a prospect to get back 2 player in return. If we could get a Deal than included Holland with 1 or 2 SP who are ML ready or almost ready (which the Rangers have in there system) and get a quality prospect or 2.

[Hangman]

i would consider a trade if the Cubs will truly be in a rebuild..but that won't happen.. Ricketts wants to follow the Red Sox model, we have a huge market team, tons of money available, large payroll, no way on earth do they rebuild. they are gonna spend the next couple of off seasons.

I think the Cubs will absolutely go after Fielder and make another splash or two this off season. Trading Garza will not happen because this team will not rebuild.

Tom Ricketts alway keep talking about building from the bottom up, which sounds Like a rebuild to me.

[EQ76]

i would consider a trade if the Cubs will truly be in a rebuild..but that won't happen.. Ricketts wants to follow the Red Sox model, we have a huge market team, tons of money available, large payroll, no way on earth do they rebuild. they are gonna spend the next couple of off seasons.

I think the Cubs will absolutely go after Fielder and make another splash or two this off season. Trading Garza will not happen because this team will not rebuild.

Tom Ricketts alway keep talking about building from the bottom up, which sounds Like a rebuild to me.

I understand that, and agree that he wants to build from the ground up, I also believe they will not go into full rebuild mode.. they'll try to shed some bad contracts, go younger at some positions, but I don't believe it will be a full, fire-sale, rebuild. I also believe they will try to compete next year, not that they'll go all out, but that they'll try to compete.. Unless they're blown away with an offer for Garza, I just don't see them getting rid of him.

Besides, he's good and young..

[Sam]

I think in the long term Garza is more valuable to the Cubs as a #2 starter (sorry but he is no ace). Garza is a great player to build around, not to mention that he is a good pitcher (and the best pitcher the Cubs have). I don't think that it makes sense to trade our best pitcher, its not like Garza is old and expensive, so getting rid of Garza won't save the Cubs a huge chunk of money, and I don't think I can say this enough, but the Cubs NEED pitching, that is what we are the worst at and it just makes no sense to get rid of our best pitcher. We need to build our pitching staff around Garza. And next years FA pitching class only has three pitchers that I would want to see the Cubs get: Matt Cain, Zach Grienke, and Edwin Jackson (I think Jackson is the only one of these three that see FA). It is important to maintain a veteran presence in the rotation, even when rebuilding and Dempster won't be around forever. Garza could be a solid anchor for the rotation for years to come.

[A_Mazz_Ing]

I think Garza is better off as trade bait. And don't get me wrong... I love Garza. He's my favorite player on the team. But he is 28, by time we have a team around him he'll be 31. I would rather have good ML ready arms that can turn into top of the rotation guys *cough* Jacob Turner *cough* and would be about 24 when we're ready to compete.

But as others have said, we need to be blown away. There is no reason to give him up in a so-so deal.

[fromthemitten]

Though SI's power rankings had the Cubs as 26th (shudder) nobody expected them to contend in 2003 or 2007 either. With Prince and Pujols gone I'd say hold on to him until the trade deadline. You never know, Rizzo could be MLB ready, DeJesus returns to form, Samardzija could put it all together in the rotation, [insert more hopeless optimism here].

If not, no real loss. There's always a huge market for front line starters who can miss bats at the trade deadline, even if Garza struggles.

[Brett]

Though SI's power rankings had the Cubs as 26th (shudder) nobody expected them to contend in 2003 or 2007 either. With Prince and Pujols gone I'd say hold on to him until the trade deadline. You never know, Rizzo could be MLB ready, DeJesus returns to form, Samardzija could put it all together in the rotation, [insert more hopeless optimism here].

If not, no real loss. There's always a huge market for front line starters who can miss bats at the trade deadline, even if Garza struggles.

Unless his elbow explodes.

[MichiganGoat]

Though SI's power rankings had the Cubs as 26th (shudder) nobody expected them to contend in 2003 or 2007 either. With Prince and Pujols gone I'd say hold on to him until the trade deadline. You never know, Rizzo could be MLB ready, DeJesus returns to form, Samardzija could put it all together in the rotation, [insert more hopeless optimism here].

If not, no real loss. There's always a huge market for front line starters who can miss bats at the trade deadline, even if Garza struggles.

Unless his elbow explodes.

Damn it Brett you are dangerously close to having to banhammer yourself, don't jinx him.

[fromthemitten]

I'm not too worried Dusty is in Cincinnati