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Scotti

Member Since 25 Jun 2012
Offline Last Active Jan 29 2014 11:18 AM
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In Topic: Moving to the Burbs...

28 January 2014 - 04:33 AM

Okay your Ricketts you know you can make more money with less headaches if you move, BUT do you want to be the man that moves the Cubs out of Wrigley? Do yiu want to be the man that during it's 100th anniversary moves the team? We might be okay with it because we've obsessed over all this drama but to the casual or even devoted fan that does follow blogs like we do this is a horrible idea. This is unforgivable. To many Wrigley symbolizes (regardless of for good or bad reasons) everything the Cubs represent- a team that respects the pure nature of baseball- a holy shrine of baseball. So how would you like to be the person that destroys the temple?

It may not be a financial benefit to stay in Wrigley but there is a reason to stay.

I'd admit my willingness to move has dramatically increased in the last few weeks, right now I'm close to 50% but a few months ago I was maybe less than 10%, and that's because I've followed this story so closely for two plus years I just want it to end. Ricketts is a business man but he's also a real Cub fan that understands what Wrigley represents and is fighting to preserve that history. I be curious how this lawsuit plays out in the next couple months.

 

I agree that he is in no hurry to be the guy who moved the team.  He'll only do it if his hand is forced and certainly not the 100th anniversary of Wrigley (now, the 101st...).  

 

I WAS very surprised at how quickly he moved to threaten down in Mesa (Daytona). Tens of thousands of Cub fans have retired down their just to see the Cubs (Cubs had been down there for a very long time as well).  When he was working my grandfather would spend all of March down in Scottsdale just to see the Cubs.  TONS of folks like that all over that place.  

 

Ultimately Ricketts didn't pull the trigger.  Was he ever really going to?  (The guys in Daytona were guys he knew).  Mesa woke up and knew what was good for them.  I'm thinking Chicago is too messed up to ever get it together on this (that and Rahm has so little clout right now).  

 

Re. the temple...  Just win, baby, just win.  Winning covers a multitude of sins.  But, he isn't winning.  Sucks to be him, right now.  


In Topic: Moving to the Burbs...

28 January 2014 - 04:19 AM

Yes. Yes. Yes. Very well stated.

 

Appreciated.  You mind if I show this to my wife?  I think if she practices, she just might get it down.  


In Topic: Moving to the Burbs...

28 January 2014 - 03:03 AM

 

another point that is never discussed is this....

How much money could the Cubs make if they tore Wrigley Field down and sold all of the pieces?

 

The gross would be high, but I'm not sure about the net.

 

A couple guys and a wrecking ball can knock down Wrigley in a few weeks if they aren't trying to preserve anything.  If they try to pull out anything sellable, we're talking a much larger crew and a longer period of time.  The cost to destroy goes up.

 

I think there would be a net, but I'm not sure it would be a hugely significant net.

 

 

Unfortunately the landmark designation means no one touches Wrigley.  My guesstimate is $50 million for Wrigley, the (formerly) $20 million dollar McDonalds, the few empty parking lots they own, the triangle property and the corner building.  Huge losses, but major gains elsewhere.   


In Topic: Moving to the Burbs...

28 January 2014 - 02:55 AM

We don't agree on much in there, but I do enjoy the obvious effort and thought that went into this. Enjoyed the read.

 

One thing I want to be clear on: saying that a huge number of casual fans come to Wrigley, as it presently sits, is not about them "coming to see Wrigley" and not the Cubs. The 10-1 thing was obviously hyperbole, but the point is: a huge number of people come to see the Cubs in their present location for the entirety of the experience. It's a thing to do in Chicago (where, particularly during the day, there are vastly more people to entice to come than in one suburb - the market is centralized, and there isn't the same bottlenecking trying to bring people to, for example, one outlying suburban area; how anyone who has driven around Chicago for more than 10 minutes can ignore this point befuddles me. At least make note of it.). 

 

Again: it isn't just "Wrigley" that the casual folks (corporate groups, man - they are a huge base) come to see. It's the entire Wrigley, Wrigleyville, proximity experience. Move to the burbs, and that vanishes. Then who comes? Serious fans and northern suburbanites. No one of any casual bent is going to make the treck to the burbs, especially on a weekday.

 

Thanks, enjoy a place to have freewheeling discussions.

 

"...and there isn't the same bottlenecking trying to bring people to, for example, one outlying suburban area; how anyone who has driven around Chicago for more than 10 minutes can ignore this point befuddles me. At least make note of it."

 

Traffic in and around the various burbs mentioned is like a ballet compared to the moshpit of getting into Chicago (and, FWIW, getting INTO Chicago at 5PM is no picnic--rush hour goes both ways now as folks in the city have found jobs in the burbs).  Seriously, there can be improvements but, as someone who is in and out of Lincoln Park and downtown on a regular basis, the burbs flow in comparison.  Even All-State Arena (Rosemont) or Arlington Park (Arlington Heights).  Schaumburg has the state's busiest mall by far (WoodField Mall) averaging over 70k per day and JAM PACKED during the holidays--it flows.  I live three miles from the Mall, drive to Rosemont 3-4X per week and drive by the racetrack several times per week as well.  It flows like hot butter around here compared to getting to Wrigley.

 

The bottle-necking occurs when you have no easterly access into Wrigley, no major streets equipped to handle the traffic anyway and no parking to speak of once you get there.  Again, as a person who lives each of these trips multiple times per week at all times of day, there is simply no comparison.    Each of the three locations that I could get behind has major access from multiple, local highways.  

 

Re. corporate tickets.  Corporate ticket sales don't just come from the city.  In fact, there are numerous corporations outside the city and a quick peek at the top 20 publicly traded corporations in the area shows that 14 are headquartered in the burbs (all fortune 300 companies).  These are companies like Walgreens, Allstate, Motorola, Kraft, Sears, Baxter, McDonald's, Abbott Labs, Discover...  Monsters of industry.  Monsters that would buy more tickets of the Cubs were easier to get to.  I mean, over in the comments section, die hard fans are giving die hard fans tips on how to shave ten minutes off their commute.  This isn't what your "casual fan" does.  He just casually doesn't go.   

 

My wife's company--a mid-sized specialty staffing company--buys tickets all of the time, too (a hundred or so a year).  Just like hundreds of companies their size, they would buy MANY more tickets (for employee functions and for Sales to use) if the Cubs were easier to get to.  They actually buy 50-50 Cubs/Sox because the Sox are simply easier to get to.  If the Cub's new stadium were 5-15 suburban miles away?  They'd more than quadruple their buy and it'd be 90% Cubs (Sales would still be stuck taking Sox fans to the Cell).   


In Topic: What about an in-town move?

26 January 2014 - 03:11 AM

 

The cost of constructing a park from the ground up (including the cost of real estate + demolishing Wrigley Field) with no public financing is the biggest hurdle

 

Fair points, but I think those are doable hurdles.  That's a separate discussion though.  I'm more interested in if any of these would actually work.

 

In a previous thread I asked why Rosemont wouldn't, and got some good answers.  

 

 

 

Another spot in Chicago fixes little.  You still have the Machine to answer to with whatever alderman and local businesses trying to control your business.  Not to mention the ever present threat of rising "amusement" taxes.  It isn't just the rooftops, bars and Tunney.  The Cubs are the step-child here and the Chicago Machine is simply never going to see Cinderella when they look at the Cubs.  They see a cash cow--someone to bring in revenue and paper over their loses.  The don't see a star.  They don't even see a partner and never have.   

 

If the Cubs were to move to a different facility in Chicago (where some, if not all of the "impossible money" I referred to in a different post was actually possible), the Chicago Machine would see all of that revenue the Cubs were bringing in and simply raise taxes and fees so the Machine could get its "fair share" to cover its massive loses.

 

The villages of Arlington Heights, Schaumburg and Rosemont simply don't view business that way (coincidentally, all three are villages with AH being the most populous village in the US).  They each have a long track record of dealing with businesses in pro-business fashion (Woodfield, All-State Arena, The Racetrack).  Chicago is simply too needy for them to keep their hands out of Cinderella's purse.    


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