Could the Phillies Try to Lure Theo Epstein to Philadelphia?

At the outset of his tenure with the Cubs, Theo Epstein mentioned that 10 years with one team felt like the right amount of time. Well, the conclusion of the 2020 season marked his ninth year in Chicago, and the Cubs have Epstein under contract for just one more season. So, yes, I’d say the writing’s on the wall. Theo Epstein will soon leave the Cubs, and we will thank him with tear-filled eyes on his way out.

But what is he going to do next? And will the timing of that departure (this offseason or next?) depend on his other options?

I don’t think it’s safe to assume Epstein will just leave the Cubs for another team in baseball, though that does feel more likely than visions of him taking on an NFL Franchise (Bearrssssssss) or becoming the MLB Commissioner (he’d be a really good one).

Still, it isn’t all that simple. While Epstein is easily considered one of the top executives in MLB, perhaps of all-time, some key markets already have “their guy” in place. For example, the Dodgers aren’t replacing Andrew Friedman, the Yankees aren’t replacing Brian Cashman, the Red Sox aren’t replacing Chaim Bloom, the Giants aren’t replacing Farhan Zaidi (and they already have Theo-spinoff, Scott Harris, as their GM), the Mets aren’t replacing Sandy Alderson (and would Epstein become the top baseball guy, but under Alderson?), and so on. And even though Epstein is worth every penny he’ll cost, you have to remember that every time this guy gets a new contract, it’s usually record-breaking (or close to it). Only so many team can afford that, especially now.

Enter: The Phillies

Phillies GM Matt Klentak has stepped down from his post as atop the baseball ops department after a third straight September collapse kept the Phillies out of the playoffs for the ninth straight season. Technically, he’s still with the organization in some other role, but assistant GM Ned Rice is serving as the interim GM until someone else is found.

Clearly, then, the Phillies have a vacancy at the top of their organization and they are plenty big-market enough to afford Epstein – at least, in normal financial times. I’m not quite sure how the pandemic would affect a decision this fundamental to the team.

However, the Phillies already have a “President of Baseball Operations,” in old friend Andy McPhail, though it’s not quite clear how directly involved he is. Buster Olney says he is “long past the days when he’s the primary deal-maker and roster architect ….” He’s also recently said that he does not intend to return after his contract expires next year.

And none of this is to mention that the Phillies have an opening right now, with no long-term GM or President in place, but Epstein has one more year of control with the Cubs. We do know that an early exit is possible – and, hey, maybe Tom Ricketts would be happy to avoid paying Epstein that final ~$10 million in 2021 – but it’s something to keep in mind before the rumors start rolling.

The Local Reports

Back on October 6th, Jim Salisbury (NBC Sports Philadelphia) discussed the possibility of adding Epstein after his contract expires, noting that owner John Middleton was comfortable keeping Rice in that interim role throughout the entire 2021 season, which just so happens to be when MacPhail’s contract is up as well, teasing the sort of requisite organizational restructure we discussed above:

It’s possible that Middleton could ultimately restructure the team’s baseball hierarchy and hire a president of baseball operations and let that person select his own general manager. By setting a flexible timetable, Middleton can buy some time, see where the COVID-19 pandemic goes, and wait for the right candidate to emerge for the Phillies’ position.

Would Epstein be worth waiting for? Absolutely. He’s won World Series in Boston and Chicago and is probably already a slam dunk for the Hall of Fame.

Salisbury concedes that a “president” title, a significant salary, and even possibly an ownership stake in the organization could be needed to lure Epstein to Philly, but it certainly didn’t sound like any of that was off the table.

The National Reports

And then this morning, Buster Olney (ESPN) tapped back into this discussion, citing all the problems and restructuring needs above, before going into this Epstein-specific monologue (emphasis mine):

But the simple fact is that as of today, the Phillies’ front office is operating without the long-term vision of an Andrew Friedman, an Erik Neander, a Theo Epstein, a Brian Cashman. Rice might be the guy holding the steering wheel at the moment, but the Phillies are working without a map for player development, for scouting, and for how they might improve for 2021.

There are a lot of ways that Middleton could go in picking the next leader of his front office, whether it’s someone experienced like former GMs Brian Sabean or Jim Hendry, or someone younger from the analytics generation. Maybe Middleton will wait for Epstein’s deal to expire (and some in the industry expect that Epstein will move on from the Cubs before the start of the ’21 season).

With no long-term GM (or vision) in place, a lame-duck president on his way out, plenty of money to spend, and a nearly-identical time frame for both parties, the Phillies might just want to wait to do everything in their power to lure Epstein to Philadelphia whenever they can.

Perhaps he doesn’t have anything left to prove, but Epstein is still only 46(!) years old. If he can grab an ownership stake in a big market team like Philadelphia, you can’t rule out that he might have interest in that opportunity. And, hey, he’d finally get Bryce Harper.

written by

Michael Cerami began covering the Chicago Cubs for Bleacher Nation as a part-time contributor in 2015. One year later, he joined Bleacher Nation full-time, covering the Chicago Cubs and Major League Baseball. Today, Michael runs Bleacher Nation, contributing as a writer (Cubs, MLB) and an editor for all sections of the site, including the Chicago Bears, Bulls, and Blackhawks, as well as MLB, NBA, NHL, and NFL. In 2019, Michael was the co-host of NBC Sports Chicago's Cubs Post-Game Show Outside the Ivy. You can find him on Twitter/X @Michael_Cerami

more cubs news

Enhanced Box Score: Reds 8, Cubs 4 – June 6, 2024

The Cubs take the lead! And then immediately lose it. The Cubs take the lead again! And then immediately lose it. I tend to think some of the timing - the immediacy - is coincidental, but regardless, it makes for...

Christopher Morel Puts the Cubs Back On Top

It's a game of homers so far, with Seiya Suzuki's two-run shot getting it started, then Elly De La Cruz's three-run homer giving the Reds the lead, and now Christopher Morel's two-run shot taking it back. That's a dozen on...

An Early Lead? Wha? Seiya Suzuki With the Two-Run Shot

Maybe it's just my damaged heart, but it feels like weeks since the Cubs took an early, multi-run lead in a game. Thank you, Miguel Amaya for the third inning single, and thank you, Seiya Suzuki for the following homer:...

Pre-Gamin’: Cubs at Reds (6:10 CT) – Lineups, Broadcast Info, Game Thread

CUBS LINEUP — The Cubs have won two games in a row - but just barely (and against the worst team in MLB). Let's see if they can deliver a more convincing victory in the first of four games against...

Nick Madrigal Broke His Hand In His First Game At Triple-A Iowa

[Ankin_law] Whether you felt he should be sent back down to Triple-A Iowa or not, and whatever you think of his future role with the Chicago Cubs, I don't think you can feel anything but bad about what happened to...

Unfortunately, We Need to Talk About Yan Gomes and the Cubs’ Options at Catcher

Hand up. I didn't think Yan Gomes would be this big of a problem 2024. In fact, I was pretty excited about the guidance and leadership he was likely to provide — in addition to the actual in-game value —...

MLBits: Skenes-Ohtani Lived Up to the Billing, the Reds Aren’t Dead Yet, More

Paul Skenes is a SoCal native who watched Shohei Ohtani play for the Los Angeles Angels for the last half-decade. On Wednesday, he squared off with him for the first time. That and more in today's MLB Notes. Skenes vs....

Can Ian Happ Keep Up His Cincy-Heroics? Cubs vs Reds Series Preview

Cubs vs Reds — The Cubs did not have a great time facing the Reds last weekend, squeezing out just one win over three games despite Javier Assad and Justin Steele both throwing in that series (as well as Ben...

Cubs Farm Report | June 6, 2024: No Shortage of Offense for Iowa, Triantos Powers the Smokies, More

There was no shortage of offense for Iowa in a doubleheader split with Toledo, and the Smokies topped the Barons thanks to a solid day for James Triantos. That and more in today's Cubs Farm Report. Cubs Farm Report |...

Things Have Gone So Very Badly for Two of the Late-Signing Starting Pitchers

I knew it'd been a rough start to the year for new Giants lefty Blake Snell and new Diamondbacks lefty Jordan Montgomery, but it kind of came to a head in Montgomery's last outing. It was bad, bad, bad: https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/1798454426551959906...

Latest News

Astros vs. Angels: Start Time, Streaming Live, TV Channel, How to Watch

Kyle Tucker and the Houston Astros (28-35) visit Taylor Ward and the Los Angeles Angels (24-38) on Friday, with first pitch at 9:38 PM ET.Find out how to watch the Houston-Los Angeles matchup below.When is Astros vs. Angels and when...

White Sox vs. Red Sox: Free Live Stream, TV Channel, How to Watch

The Chicago White Sox (15-47), led by Gavin Sheets, host Rafael Devers and the Boston Red Sox (31-31) on Friday at 8:10 PM ET.Find out how to watch the Chicago-Boston matchup below.When is White Sox vs. Red Sox and when...

How to Watch Blue Jays vs. Athletics: Live Stream or on TV

The Toronto Blue Jays (30-32), led by Vladimir Guerrero Jr., visit JJ Bleday and the Oakland Athletics (25-39) at 9:40 PM ET on Friday in a series opener.The article below will give you everything you need to watch Toronto take...

Texas Rangers vs. San Francisco Giants Series June 7-9: Odds, Starting Pitchers & Predictions

A three-game series featuring the Texas Rangers and the visiting San Francisco Giants will start on Friday, June 7 at 8:05 PM ET.Rangers vs. Giants Series Info Giants @ Rangers Time: Friday, June 7 at 8:05 PM ET Rangers Starting...

Kansas City Royals vs. Seattle Mariners Series June 7-9: Odds, Starting Pitchers & Predictions

On Friday, June 7 at 8:10 PM ET, a three-game series featuring the Kansas City Royals and the visiting Seattle Mariners will get underway.Royals vs. Mariners Series Info Mariners @ Royals Time: Friday, June 7 at 8:10 PM ET Royals...

Oakland Athletics vs. Toronto Blue Jays Series June 7-9: Odds, Starting Pitchers & Predictions

The Oakland Athletics are hosting the Toronto Blue Jays for a three-game series, with the first matchup getting underway at 9:40 PM ET on Friday, June 7.Athletics vs. Blue Jays Series Info Blue Jays @ Athletics Time: Friday, June 7...

Los Angeles Angels vs. Houston Astros Series June 7-9: Odds, Starting Pitchers & Predictions

On Friday, June 7 at 9:38 PM ET, a three-game series featuring the Los Angeles Angels and the visiting Houston Astros will begin.Angels vs. Astros Series Info Astros @ Angels Time: Friday, June 7 at 9:38 PM ET Angels Starting...

Reds vs. Cubs: Free Live Stream, TV Channel, How to Watch

On Friday, Spencer Steer and the Cincinnati Reds (29-33) play Christopher Morel and the Chicago Cubs (31-31), with first pitch scheduled for 7:10 PM ET at Great American Ball Park.Find out how to watch the Cincinnati-Chicago matchup below.When is Reds...

Mariners vs. Royals: Free Live Stream, TV Channel, How to Watch

The Seattle Mariners (36-28), led by Julio Rodriguez, visit Bobby Witt Jr. and the Kansas City Royals (37-26) at 8:10 PM ET on Friday.Find out how to watch the Seattle-Kansas City matchup below.When is Mariners vs. Royals and when does...

How to Watch Cardinals vs. Rockies: Live Stream or on TV

On Friday, in a series opener at Busch Stadium, Lance Lynn starts for the St. Louis Cardinals (29-31) against Austin Gomber and the Colorado Rockies (21-40), with first pitch scheduled for 8:15 PM ET.Keep reading to find out how to...

more cubs news