Maddon Indicates Cishek Pitched Through Injury Because of the State of the Bullpen

Injuries are a frustrating topic for fans, and one that we’re often left to discuss unfairly, because we’re never going to have all the information. We get annoyed by the … imprecise return estimates the Cubs offer about injuries and the … generous descriptions of the seriousness of injuries, but the reality is that we’re necessarily operating – as outside parties – with limited information.

Some of what follows is just me shouting at clouds, I guess.

That said, it has long seemed that the Cubs have a particular unwillingness to use the Injured List for guys who need a blow because of a relatively minor ailment. Whether it’s a cultural philosophy of “playing through it” in the clubhouse, or an organizational philosophy that it’s better not to remove a guy for a guaranteed 10 days, I don’t really know. Heck, if I’m honest, I don’t know whether this is just confirmation bias. Maybe we just think this is something that is happening because this is the only team we follow this closely on a day-to-day basis.

But whatever. I’m just saying that it sure seems like we hear a lot of stories after the fact about guys who we’ve noticed are slumping badly, and it turns out they were playing through an injury – or played through an injury and got their mechanics out of whack. Jason Heyward’s wrist, Ben Zobrist’s wrist, Kris Bryant’s shoulder and knee, Daniel Descalso’s ankle, and Javy Baez’s heel all come to mind quickly over the past few years.

Notably, not many pitchers come to my mind quickly. It seems like the Cubs *have* generally been pretty good about popping mildly injured pitchers on the Injured List when they need it. But the nature of pitching perhaps makes it a little harder to tell when guys have played through minor injuries – you miss a lot of time organically between appearances, sometimes you give up runs in an appearance for reasons we can easily dismiss, etc.

Anyway, this is all a setup to something that really rubbed me the wrong way.

There’s a lot of context to what follows, and I want to be clear that I do understand (1) guys play through lots of little bumps and bruises, often without us hearing a word about it, and often just as well as they perform fully healthy; (2) the bullpen had been thinned by injuries recently; and (3) Steve Cishek has been great for the Cubs, overall, the last two years.

Even granting that context, I’ve gotta tell you, this Joe Maddon revelation about Cishek’s hip injury really pisses me off (Cubs.com): “Because of everything else that’s been going on, [Cishek] did not want to own up to it, which is typical of him. It was, I guess, bothering him enough last night to say something late, and then we had to do something. But I think if the rest of the group had been well, he might’ve said something earlier.”

Not only does playing through an injury – and “not wanting to own up to it” – risk an even more serious injury to a player, but it also risks negative performance in the near-term. I get that players do not want to go on the Injured List because they don’t want to not be there for their team and they also don’t want “injury history” to be used against them for future financial purposes. But the players and the team just have to be better about not risking more serious injury and poor performance.

Maybe the Cubs couldn’t have identified it without input from Cishek and without more data, but you can see in the data pretty sharp – small, but sharp – movements in his velocity, release points, and pitch movement over his last three or four outings (and what do you know, the Cubs.com report suggests the hip has been bothering him for “at least a few outings”).

Moreover, the eye test told you something seemed a little off. I think we started commenting about it in his back-to-back appearances in Milwaukee in late July, and since then he’s given up seven earned runs in just four innings of work over six appearances (eight hits, three walks, four strikeouts).

This should not happen. Between the player and the staff, injured guys cannot be out there trying to be a hero, risking further injury to themselves, and not actually helping the team in the process.

I guess I’m just blowing off steam. But what’s the point of building up a huge cache of volume arms at AAA Iowa if you can’t aggressively IL guys who are just a little bit off? Perhaps Cishek would have been back sooner and more effective if he’d been IL’d a week ago.

Like I said, usually the Cubs are good about IL’ing pitchers quickly when there’s an issue. Maybe this whole thing can be a reminder to all the players and the training/coaching staff to be just a touch more vigilant and pushy when it comes to minor injuries.

written by

Brett Taylor is the Lead Cubs Writer at Bleacher Nation, and you can find him on Twitter at @BleacherNation and on LinkedIn here. Brett is also the founder of Bleacher Nation, which opened up shop in 2008 as an independent blog about the Chicago Cubs. Later growing to incorporate coverage of other Chicago sports, Bleacher Nation is now one of the largest regional sports blogs on the web.

more cubs news

Should We Have Seen Wicks’ Injury Coming? Rizzo Makes Us Smile (2x), Hicks Dealing, and Other Cubs Bullets

In case you missed the bad news last night — no, not the Cubs biggest loss since 2010 ... and, no, not Christopher Morel's early exit either after colliding with Alexander Canario, either — Jordan Wicks was scratched from today's...

Cade Horton Dominates Once Again in His Latest Start

Another day, another dominant Double-A start from top Cubs pitching prospect Cade Horton. The 22-year-old righty went 5.0 scoreless innings for the Tennessee Smokies, allowing five hits, no walks, and striking out six. https://twitter.com/MLBPipeline/status/1784397003340034131 There sure doesn't seem to be...

Oh, Noooo: Jordan Wicks Has Forearm Tightness and Won’t Start Tomorrow

At the end of a nice winning streak, it was easy enough to shrug off a throwaway 17-0 loss to the Red Sox. And I didn't even let Christopher Morel's tumble and early exit throw me, as he was apparently...

Enhanced Box Score: Red Sox 17, Cubs 0 – April 27, 2024

Here's how you sum that one up: It's not too often that you see a position player pitching TAKEN OUT MID-INNING because he hit his pitch count. But that happened today. So, yeah, that did not go well. Unless, of...

Justin Steele Could Be Back Sooner Than (I) Expected (UPDATE)

And here I was thinking the only silver lining about Justin Steele's Opening Day hamstring injury was the path it cleared for Javier Assad and Ben Brown to step into the rotation. Turns out there's another positive with respect to...

Chicago Cubs Trading Garrett Cooper to the Boston Red Sox

The Chicago Cubs had seven days to trade, waive, or release Garrett Cooper after designating him for assignment this past week (making room for Matt Mervis). Because Cooper is a good Major League player, it's not necessarily a surprise that...

Pre-Gamin’: Cubs at Red Sox (3:10 CT) – Lineups, Broadcast Info, Game Thread

CUBS LINEUP — The Chicago Cubs won the opener at Fenway last night behind a strong starting effort by Shota Imanga and a grinding offensive approach by the entire Cubs lineup. Let's see if they can do it again with...

Rotation and Bullpen Finally Settling in, PCA Hitting, Maybe the Cubs Are Good? And Other Cubs Bullets

Taking my toddler son to my nephew's t-ball game today. Pretty excited about that. In case you missed the good news, Justin Steele might need just ONE rehab appearance at a Cubs minor league affiliate before returning to the big...

Enhanced Box Score: Cubs 7, Red Sox 1 – April 26, 2024

Cubs win again! And it was a breezy 7-1 road victory over the Red Sox ... perfect for a relaxing Friday night. I don't think it'll be this easy forever, but the Cubs are really buying themselves some breathing room...

Pre-Gamin’: Cubs at Red Sox (6:10 CT) – Lineups, Pitching Matchup, Broadcast Info, Game Thread

CUBS LINEUP — The Chicago Cubs are starting a new series tonight against the Red Sox, with Shota Imanaga going up against Boston's righty Kutter Crawford. Here's a look at the Cubs lineup for game one at Fenway. Chicago Cubs...

Latest News

Should We Have Seen Wicks’ Injury Coming? Rizzo Makes Us Smile (2x), Hicks Dealing, and Other Cubs Bullets

In case you missed the bad news last night — no, not the Cubs biggest loss since 2010 ... and, no, not Christopher Morel's early exit either after colliding with Alexander Canario, either — Jordan Wicks was scratched from today's...

Red Sox vs. Cubs Probable Starting Pitchers – April 28

The Boston Red Sox (15-13) have a home game against the Chicago Cubs (17-10) on Sunday. The contest is set to begin at 7:10 PM ET.The Red Sox will look to Tanner Houck (3-2) against the Cubs and Hayden Wesneski...

Golden Knights vs. Stars NHL Playoffs First Round Game 4 Prediction: Live Odds, Stats, History and Picks – Monday, April 29, 2024

The Vegas Golden Knights and Dallas Stars face off on Monday at T-Mobile Arena in Paradise, and the bookmakers have the home team at -110 and the visitor at -110.Golden Knights vs. Stars Favorite, Moneyline, TotalFavorite: Golden Knights (-110)Underdog: Stars...

Panthers vs. Lightning NHL Playoffs First Round Game 5 Prediction: Picks, Live Odds and Moneyline – Monday, April 29, 2024

The Florida Panthers welcome the Tampa Bay Lightning on Monday, and are -175 favorites on the moneyline, with the away team at +145.Panthers vs. Lightning Favorite, Moneyline, TotalFavorite: Panthers (-175)Underdog: Lightning (+145)Total: 6.5Best Panthers vs. Lightning Promo CodesHow to Watch...

Hurricanes vs. Islanders NHL Playoffs First Round Game 5 Prediction: Odds, Picks, Best Bets – Tuesday, April 30, 2024

The Carolina Hurricanes have been made -250 on the moneyline against the New York Islanders (+205) on Tuesday, with this matchup taking place at PNC Arena in Raleigh.Hurricanes vs. Islanders Favorite, Moneyline, TotalFavorite: Hurricanes (-250)Underdog: Islanders (+205)Total: 5.5Best Hurricanes vs....

Cade Horton Dominates Once Again in His Latest Start

Another day, another dominant Double-A start from top Cubs pitching prospect Cade Horton. The 22-year-old righty went 5.0 scoreless innings for the Tennessee Smokies, allowing five hits, no walks, and striking out six. https://twitter.com/MLBPipeline/status/1784397003340034131 There sure doesn't seem to be...

IceHogs Drop Game One, Net Front Shaq, Toronto’s Got Problems, and Other Blackhawks Bullets

The Rockford IceHogs hosted the Grand Rapids Griffins in their first round playoff series on Saturday night. It started very well for Rockford. Michael Teplý scored in the first period off a pretty set-up from Lukas Reichel and Zach Sanford...

Giants vs. Pirates Prediction: Expert Picks, Odds, Stats & Best Bets – Sunday, April 28, 2024

The San Francisco Giants (13-15) are favored on the moneyline (-113) in Sunday's contest with the Pittsburgh Pirates (14-14). Game time is at 4:05 PM ET on SportsNet PT. The Pirates, with +161 odds, are favored against the spread (1.5).San...

Padres vs. Phillies Prediction: Expert Picks, Odds, Stats & Best Bets – Sunday, April 28, 2024

Alec Bohm (11 games) will look to add to his hitting streak when the Philadelphia Phillies (18-10) and San Diego Padres (14-16) meet Sunday at 4:10 PM ET, live on SDPA from PETCO Park. Alec Bohm and the Phillies are...

Mariners vs. Diamondbacks Prediction: Expert Picks, Odds, Stats & Best Bets – Sunday, April 28, 2024

Entering Sunday's matchup with the Seattle Mariners (15-12), the Arizona Diamondbacks (12-16) are on a three-game losing streak. The contest starts at 4:10 PM ET on ROOT Sports NW with the Mariners listed as -136 favorites, while the are +113...

more cubs news

Latest News